Frage von Moritzk:
Good evening forum :-)
I am currently s.einer concert recording, which I have recorded the beginning of October in Dresden.
There are 3 x SonyEX1 stood, and a 2 x SonyXR500VE SonyNX5E.
Unfortunately we were only 2 camera people, so there are 4 static cameras from Tripod. I would like to have this concert recording in a relatively small quantity 200 pieces on DVD and presses submit s.die artist or sale.
Everything has been discussed with the artist, so it's not about!
For me, this recording my first concert recording, which is why experience poor.
I am currently s.Schnitt and had to quite a few questions.
To better analyze the whole, I have uploaded a song once.
1. Hard cut or Aperture?
2. slowly cut or more image change?
3. You would like the whole process afterwards? I thought s.Vignette and of course the color correction.
4. what it says about the different cameras, you fall on it?
5. you should use a view as the main view and cut around it the other views?
6. What pleases View s.besten you?
7. What do you think the current section, etc.
8. other in here :-)
Thank you for your time and effort!
Best wishes,
Moritz
Antwort von mann:
Soft transitions fit rather to something.
Antwort von chrisl:
Maybe just less overlap. Sometimes it just does not make sense to only show that they had several cameras for recording.
Otherwise: always hard cuts. Dazzle, especially when it looks heartbreaking!
Antwort von Kevinovicz:
Hi Moritz,
Thus, a difference in the cameras can be seen, of course. If you are the end product "only" SD-resolution haste, I would nachkadrieren the HD shots a little. Also "take focus" you should see the HD footage a bit. Color correction, of course, inevitable.
I would also put less synonymous cuts and pay attention to them that the jumps (long shot-nah) are not too large. Also suitable for cutting music. The almost super long shot, I would most as "Introduction" and s.Ende use. The swing towards the middle of the piece - well, do not know ...
The question of whether you should use hard cuts or transitions is difficult. Just try watching synonymous with different durations and what works for you s.besten.
In any case, you will still have a lot of work in the mail, but that's synonymous to the stimulus of such a recording.
Have fun and good luck!
Antwort von le.sas:
So I can only echo the tips here, but it raises for me, of course, the question why are you so ever photographing a concert if you have zero idea? Purely technical issues, I understand you yet, but design-that should come of someone who has never cut a video, and you can not remove the yes
Antwort von Moritzk:
In any case, you will still have a lot of work in the mail, but that's synonymous to the stimulus of such a recording.
Have fun and good luck! Such a set of really motivated :-) Thank you!
but it raises for me, of course, the question why so ever photographing a concert if you have zero idea? So I'm quite happy with the current results, especially since the current was only 40% of the then produce shows.
... I have zero idea I would not say, but you can of course difficult to assess!
I like my own experience, so I like to start such type of projects to me then to improve my skills!
I too have received for this rotation no fee, so I have no obligations synonymous!
A local station in my area has even promised to record s.einem holiday in November to send ... better advertisement for a DVD sale, there are hardly!
Thanks but repays for the previously given tips!
Is there synonymous positive votes?
Best regards,
Moritz
Antwort von Auf Achse:
Hello!
I can not think what the art work on ... you mainly under strong-and over-sighted attitudes, very extreme, the very last setting. Was probably because of all the cameras are not different, so you do not mitfilmst. If that is the reason would be to my liking fewer cameras, but "at eye level" better.
Furthermore, in my opinion, the piano player and their bass player installed incorrectly. She sits with her back to him and I think their line of sight to the off very disturbing. Especially with the medium shot where both are in the picture and her face is in the right quarter. If it is possible of the instruments should be placed diagonally to each other that way, I find this absolutely crucial! On the one hand because of the framing, on the other hand, exude people, musicians who see one another much more sympathy.
The pivot at 2:40 I think is good, could be even softer (; easy to say, I know ;-)
I like the mood light, color adjustments, however, are mandatory. But hopefully the heat, not into the cold as the Cam at 00:15.
To this music I would make soft transitions and the individual settings longer. And how Kevinovics wrote as small jumps.
If, then little vignette so that it is only very subtle.
Regards,
On axis
Antwort von Fenek:
I find it a pity that the viewer sees little of the piano skills.
The fingers are very interesting for the viewer.
Frequently, the same camera ions act quickly post something boring.
Soft panning, which I liked very well,
more of it, looks even better.
That the lady is not correct in the light and the double bass in the field is,
is not synonymous to me then at some point a direct negative but noticed that.
Respect,
I would not make it that way.
There are really very beautiful elements present in it!
Antwort von hoerspielwerkstatt:
Hello Moritzk,
I can think independently to design questions to find a lot of technology:
I think there are basically two types of section:
Either cut (compose, import), I mostly sound the Picture, or Picture, I cut most of the sound.
A concert like this with such a sensitive Music and few performers (2 people) I would always cut only (really only) to the sound.
This means that one must deal with the music to this case so as to see something like verse, chorus and verse repeats.
Then you should think about how to make a verse in principle, with regard to the motives and, of course, synonymous of image parts of the two performers. The singer / pianist is the main character, the bassist is the by-person.
You can see verses with repetitive sequences of notes, one should consider that perhaps everyone can start first stanza with similar images begin the same camera. Such a cut would result synonymous support the understanding of the musical presentation in the viewer / listener. Music is organized, Picture should support this principle.
Three verses should be given, I would focus on making music the artwork of the first stanza strictly s.den performers, their instruments and their kind.
In the second stanza, the viewer / listener the music in my ears. After the input images of the stanza, the camera can sometimes synonymous leave the artists to capture Bildatmo (pictures of the room with its special light, maybe a few faces, ...)
This should be the average time points of the slice material s.geeigneten music sites
(Change of singing to instrumental performance, changing the leadership in the tools, ...)
However, I would return again and again in between the instrumentalists, not to hurry, but at least four to five times. In any case, in time for the end of the second stanza.
The third verse I would cut just like the first verse.
I would only work with hard cuts - except s.Ende.
Then you could the interpreter - because she is the person wearing - fade out and look for images that either signals "next WORKS with the talks" or "mental echo of the Music in the viewer / listener 'is allowed.
You have in your movie clip a good sound quality. The wing is very well received.
Although synonymous with the camera settings have a number of good settings it is, some may be improved:
These others have already said something. What bothers me above all the Untersichtigkeit.
If a pianist is not "look on their hands" can, then the recording is at the bottom of the rear is only a very poor substitute.
Total has been cut too fast. The sounding of the music emotions have a much slower pace.
I also think that three cameras would have been sufficient.
Conclusion: Despite many improvements like me well your clip.
And that has only one reason: the message of the music comes over.
So those are my two cents.
Antwort von Moritzk:
So those are my two cents. Where can we make the money transfer :-)
Just kidding!
Thank you for the time that you took to write you for that. Are some really interesting statements or information there. Thank you for this!
I give my best so that one probably will s.Ende cent but 20 :-)
Best wishes,
Moritz
Antwort von jansi:
For me, these are synonymous to many cuts.
On each occasion you should go ask what the motivation section. If he shows something new: a detail, or does it hold s.Zuschauen only the pleasure.
I understand but synonymous, that you do so much cutting. The whole video looks clear from any undynamic. Because of the two musicians have no movement comes (really, other than of the hands), you try to bring in some movement.
Nice but would be motivated panning close-ups of the hands s.Klavier / bass to the face of the musicians etc etc
You can even times you look at YouTube videos, where mitschneidet example, the WDR a concert. They get out the crane without synonymous and Dolly, the effect is quite nice. The technical requirements you have, yes, and maybe you are lacking s.der practice synonymous only slightly.
An important aspect I would like to mention still synonymous, I have fast-forwarded the video although sometimes a bit but I have not seen a single time viewers. Why not? None was there and the applause came from the off, or what?
purely to bring the audience with the most important thing is with it enough so the back of a total s.and the purely zooms, but where are the outlines of the public to see. A few people show up to watch the stage or enthusiastic nod to the beat, watching their loved ones, etc. would not synonymous wrong. The mood of the concert audience to convey synonymous s.die s.TV this is very important because not only extends the stage.
Antwort von Moritzk:
@ Jansi
You're right, the audience is not quite enough to bear!
But please look again :-) exactly it is I think make it 1-2 s.denen a swing is about the audience ... they're probably just ignore you.
Thank you for your advice synonymous!
Best regards,
Moritz
Antwort von domain:
There is a certain audience, where the text is more important than the music, which to some extent only accessories, no preference whether Rapp Grönemeyer or ....
In your case I would say very little to make cuts and then with long fade Ungern to the tediousness of the songs to fully comply.
A nice contrast would be used to flavor all things completely contrary public images, located so between emotion, rapture and ecstasy ...:-)
Antwort von highdefinition79:
How do you reaping the responsibility alone and dazzle your taste. I can collect a lot of editing experience and I go there just by feel. Depending on the passage, I focus on just the beat of an instrument and try to harmonize the section. Basically, I think, though, that you are on the right track. THe untershciedlichen Cams are at the latest notice any more if you reindrehst the Color Correction. Different Cadrages make up for much.
Antwort von Moritzk:
I once shared something new on Youtube!
Get the concert recording now with Aperture and hard cuts mix.
As it now applies to you?
Thanks and Regards,
Moritz
Antwort von Jott:
The cut is a matter of taste, it's okay. Bad contrast, two things: extreme color transitions between the cameras and terrible framing - heads at center is a bad aesthetic error. The fix you but because you have rotated in HD, but the result will be a DVD - so you have the "air" around each scene to optimize subsequent loss in the frame.
Antwort von hoerspielwerkstatt:
Hello Moritzk,
I think I my proposal to qualify to run, only hard cuts have to (see above).
The sections of the test clips to the first long shot, I like quite excellent (about 1:44 min).
How it would have been rather a long shot with some impressions on viewers faces?
To my taste the distant long shot too much.
In addition, it would be wonderful if similar to the scene of the pizzicato bass player (; 0:33 min - 00:39 min = 6 sec) would have been synonymous the game a little more legato stay.
One point one should - be realistic - for all their love for music.
The verse structure of the presentation (; repetitions) and the slow progression of the melody in connection with the ever aspiring to the same destination harmonies need pictures, which always tried to provide new views. Otherwise, the viewer can "fatigue" of course.
This fact suggests that already during the recording s.Schnittbilder and audience recordings have to think.
Overall, the "Test - Clip" is a good example of how flexible and open for taste imagery is relevant to the application.
This is the need to apply good principles are not disputed.
Very attractive pictures.
Antwort von Moritzk:
Very attractive pictures. Thank you!
Unfortunately we were only 2 camera people and our positions were not the best! We have tended to focus on the musicians and the audience and unfortunately neglected.
I have not synonymous of view of the public, but you learn from it just :-)
Thank you for your assessment and your professional competence put words.
Best regards,
Moritz
Antwort von Moritzk:
Good evening Slashcam Forum
I am now finished with the average synonymous and very happy with it! I have installed and played some dazzling little more with the music and adjust the matching section.
Now I want to edit in post production the whole nor white, but not really what should be done or what should I have more?
At first I wanted to edit each picture individually, but this time I is no longer available.
How can I give the whole thing a single look, without having to edit each picture individually.
The problem is with me, which are caused by different cameras synonymous different looks. How can I combine them now?
You can watch her like a little clip so you can make you an idea what else should be done.
Please pay but less on the cut, because you can see what is already an old version of the cut.
When software is available with Adobe After Effects CS4 and Magix Bullet Looks is available. I know with a little of both programs, but that certainly only 10%.
I'm hoping for some helpful hints :-)
Best regards and thanks,
Moritz
Antwort von Moritzk:
No answers ...? My question is probably too stupid :-)
Antwort von 0711video:
I am very reassured that some have written exactly what I've emailed you weeks ago. you wanted to sign up noma, but I've heard nothing more. verzürnt yet? ....
moritz of the recordings s.den difficulty that you have the camera at all important perspectives not at eye level, looking for (; see previous speaker) and the second - is unfortunately synonymous with any Adobe program to correct: the positioning of the artists. the woman sitting with back to the man, so even net enough, it sits somewhat synonymous to the audience rather than face-off. the pianist looks into the empty, as if somehow their screening garnix As for (; see previous speaker) ... it communicates with either camera yet with audiences. ago that may still take place before the audience, but that 90 minutes on a dvd? adjust the camera angles that make the soloist does not look better. the cellist / kontarbassist is yes, however, the pure life ....
because form and content in each plant conditions (;) should, I had blinded you proposed because they fit better to the elegiac music (; see previous speaker). However, the blind too long (;) and get straight times when the eye is accustomed s.eine new setting, come on the next transition and combining two images for a few seconds recognition. the blind should have a rhythm, like the human breath.
you have to decide how much this performance minutes on dvd, you want to buy, with. the film look of the individual cameras, which is all so long for the forum, a minor infringement.
you have here now after all that echo with safety learned that it is not sufficient to establish only high-resolution cameras, but the right must be chosen ausschnittt. You're synonymous directors and have the artists into the scene and you are synonymous and musicians have their manship. yes - I know. which was much work for little or no money and now all come and know everything better. so we talked about this ...
the video is generally in order and viewable - but not a visual revelation. but you wanted to hear not synonymous ... ?
Greeting from stgt21
joachim
ps: suggestion for next time: two cameras fewer, better camera angles and correct positioning of the actors and talk with them, that they communicate with audience and camera. and your film is much better - guaranteed!
Antwort von Moritzk:
Evening Slashcam Forum
I want to press the now finished recording a concert DVD.
The concert recording is 1920x1080 16 / 9 before and I would now be converted into 720x576 pixels MPEG-2.
720x576 is even ansich 4/3...wie So now I walk around s.besten?
The program in which I Converter (AVS Video Converter) there is an option between a 16 / 9 or 4 / 3 aspect ratio.
When I use the option 4 / 3 Select the video is on a 4 / 3 television with black bars above and below ... so play like you want original in 16 / 9
But the video s.einem 16 / 9 TV is playing device? Come synonymous then the black bar so that the video is played totally wrong?
If I get a test DVD s.meinem Television has always lacked then look at the bars above and below was because the video played in 4 / 3, but there was something left and right Picture.
Oh God could understand what I want?
Best regards,
Moritz
ps. Thank you!
