Frage von Urs:
Hello,
I have the forum now for quite a long time looked through, but apparently no one has yet come to this idea:
If I were a concert, for example, with 4 cameras off would like to, would not it be s.einfachsten with a DAT recorder, the sound s.mixer incorporated consistently and simultaneously with such a radio system
(eg Sennheiser IE-monitoring) s.alle cameras to transfer. Thus, I have exactly the sound synchronously to Picture, no preference whether the Camera stängig is running or if I just turn scene way.
What do you this?
mfg
Mathias
Antwort von Chezus:
Well, I prefer several different sound tracks of which I raussuch the best or the best for them to mingle with each other.
At a concert, the sound from the mixer to come clean. The best sound is when Atmo mixers.
The two tracks are mixed together to hear (in my opinion) to s.besten.
If you are in any camera to stop anyway, you must press the picture with the sound and synchronize with the other tracks.
If your Dat recorder fail or should the sound scheiße listen, you have the shitty sound on all cameras, or just no sound
Antwort von hansreinhard:
The radio transmission to the cameras, although expensive, but in fact advantages: as it is usually very close to stage loud, control the camera via internal microphone partially reduced beyond, otherwise it would indicate yes Kameraton as Arbeitston to synchronize with the Hauptton (DAT) suffice. If you DAT instead of a 4-channel recorder using, you could still live elegantly Atmo record (does not sound so sterile, but a few frames to the front to be corrected - time correction)
Otherwise, it is already of advantage, the cameras largely through to leave, then do you do in the editing system once a multi camera clip cut and very comfortable. And remember, radio can fail synonymous times ...
Greeting
Hans
Antwort von Blackeagle123:
Hey,
I just find your way to DAT recorded very well. We have a large MD recorder with the recording of Abiball a few weeks ago, are held. The film was shot with a portable camera dolly and a fixed camera on tripod at the back when the technology was. The cameras were also on the leindwand output.
(Rent a friend about engineering firm, not to pay)
We have subsequently added reverb to create a better, fuller sound style. In addition, special microphones with the ceiling of the Atmo recorded, such as applause, which only interfered manchma will. (Project is currently on average)
The sound we have then fixed on the camera next to the technique (in a mixer with XLR Atmomikros about [it is synonymous cinch or clinker] s.externen microphone input). Pass the Microphone, however, that nothing is overridden, because our sound has little crap built s.Anfang ;-)
The technicians have Sennheiser radio set, as in sports broadcasts (football), etc. are used (as in almost all the concerts with singers) to the singer on the mixer to get. If we had a radio unit which would on the one may interfere, on the other hand would be something much more expensive. I think it is not profitable. The sound was s.dem evening (4 hours, one intermission) consistently recorded. The tape in the camera had to be replaced, which means that there are no times in between 30 seconds Atmo, which anyway is rarely interfered.
Will you get the sound synchronously, this is really quite simple, since the cameras are so synonymous one (probably overdriven) Sound Recording. As long concerts probably the cassette gewächselt be profitable in a flap not synonymous.
An impulse of thought: What do you think of it, rather than just recording sound, the cameras transmit s.einen recorder where you Mischpultton Picture and Directing in the record? (Picture-and Tonrekorder, image mixer also is required and several monitors around the whole round Funksprechsets to communicate with the camera people).
You have to be yourself but think about how much budget is available, and whether the money in relation to the (relatively small) synchro s.Schnitt is working! For more info on the multi-camera editing, you will find synonymous here:
http://forum.slashcam.de/2-vt47848.html?start=30
Many dear greetings, (and happy Easter!)
Constantin
Antwort von uffnik1:
Hello!
Thank you for the first detailed views.
Recording from mixer was of me, perhaps something in simple terms. It is with a 24 track recorder Direct Out's of mixer to be made because the desk of Summenton yes to the hall and is mixed for a video may be very different to be mixed. This will probably be, 20 tracks. The Summenton what it is and necessarily synonymous to the PA goes, I would then s.die wireless cameras. On other tracks, I will then Atmo's record.
On average, I first unpack everything into the Avid Media Composer pure. The 24-track recording is now my Summenton and I take as the "base". To this Summenton I can very easily all the camera settings in parallel, since they so under the Summenton have her picture. I think there's something somewhere as synonymous Autosync or something similar, then this is quite simple - Must be time to look. For all settings, I now cut a video track together. The sound of the various camera settings and the Summenton do I hide when everything is ready to take office s.dessen the 24-track recording and mix everything (Atmos synonymous) so that it sounded nice. Feritg is the video.
Sounds easy but is not it? As with the cameras and leave through stone (except for the designation of the settings), or flash, etc. for me is somehow "unprofessional".
And because of security: 1 The recorder creates a mirror to. 2. The spark gaps are True diversity - both fail, I do not credible and if it roars like a warning eh go. And also the camera can be synonymous tions "dachas" during the shoot get. There's one synonymous net inside.
With best regards, and yet NEN MOST BEAUTIFUL SUNDAY
Mathias
Antwort von Chezus:
Stone is unprofessional for you? Is Hollywood for you unprofessional?
Please do not place on the stage and the stone so it is sufficient if the drummer once on the snare skin or into the Basedrum kicks.
That with the 24-track recorder is of course a perfect solution but they often fail to realize is. Yes you need a free channel where you drauflegst. If you but all traces of the circuit individually searched so you can live together fairly mixed. Maybe even an extra Atmo Micro up somewhere and with the druntermischen.
The video traces s.dem snare percussion gear and the cutting can begin
Antwort von Blackeagle123:
Hey,
So with what do you do now to record 24 tracks simultaneously?
I hardly think that a camera 24 tracks are available. You could also, as I have described, all 24 tracks than 1 Endspur issue for the Camera. Then the synchronicity works but no more.
Which recorder then you take the cut for the 24 tracks on? Why do you us the main issue with DAT, so even if you know the way you do?
Many greetings,
Constantin
Antwort von Chezus:
There is a device that is to say HD24. With all the tracks (guitar, vocals, bass, etc) separately and recorded on an external hard drive saved.
As far as clear?
Antwort von Blackeagle123:
Yes certainly, as far as clear.
If sufficient budget is available and you with your wireless units do not disturb each other, you can of course do so. (UU s.Anfang synonymous out a short beep, then go lighter!) But it cost quite a lot. If you have any camera with time recording, you get it synonymous so synchronously, without that each camera receives the sound again. Place the camera microphone is very quiet or / and use an external Micro, there is not yet complete "scrapes", which is still cheaper!
The audio Funkset worthwhile in my opinion, not really. You can also synonymous with a program does not track audio soundtrack and synchronously receive. Because: You can only s.einer Align the 24 tracks. The Tn on camera but includes all 24th So you only have to one lane on the camera issue, such as drums, etc.
If you are already so expensive to make, then build your own Directing, where you get the camera signals and draw in addition to the finished video to a recorder. ;-)
Many greetings,
Constantin
