Frage von PowerMac:
That is regulated is correct, but there are certain, though small, but certain frequencies and frequency bands may be used without anmeldung. Lies outside the frequency must be logged in this.
Greeting
Jan
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Please visit www.vitrend.de OT:
I was grad on your website. Prices are we?
Antwort von Fargonaut:
Hi Jan,
Inspired on the "OT-contribution" synonymous, I have visited your site.
In fact synonymous, I wonder: How did you get these prices. This is not only innovative, it's really revolutionary! How do you work? What equipment do you have for one? You Unterhälst an office / studio? How can one live of the prices?
Man, do not make us break ;-) Prices
All the best
Tomi
www.videotown.tv
Antwort von steve:
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Antwort von CAM TV:
ähmm ... ... Prices on this website are surely not serious?
Antwort von kris:
I guess the price list is like the company itself Vitrend being more theoretical nature.
30 euros for a 5-minute commercial, of course, defies description - should the Jan of times to really live his orders, he comes with 10 times not too far.
Think of times - for 300 euros, customers receive a 20 sec spot for the regional television - a 5-minute video image can then have free time 2000th A certain quality standard vorrausgesetzt.
Leider gibts so now many people - which no preference is how it looks, the main thing is cheap.
Speaking of - how you calculated your Prices?
Do you have a firm price list - already available on the website and in advertising - or is it more on negotiation skills?
ciao Kris
Antwort von VideoXY:
Hello friends video.
There are always times discussions about what a fair price for certain services.
I myself running a small company and have already received a few emails that make my Rates the market broken. I always answer that I'm addressing a different clientele than those who were taken where the comparative prices. The quality is not synonymous then those of more professional will provide businesses with a correspondingly higher price.
But I have seen as a bid for ¬ 4 on E-Bay for as long as record a videotape to DVD, to label and DVD case with cover.
Something like this is to ruin Prices. Because dadran deserves it, with a very expensive product (DVD and sheath) not more than ¬ 2.50.
But one must not, before you accuse someone for the Prices to ruin, to compare not erstmal with the quality, and the prices were reasonable for what?
Greeting
VideoXY
Antwort von Markus:
Hello "Anonymous"
Your question does not come by chance right now, or has perhaps a reference to a
simultaneous discussion? ;-)
Antwort von VideoXY:
The Forum has several thousand entries. Man, you're better than me. Yes, in fact, refers to the contribution to the article. After so much criticism must surely give it time, because Prices to ruin, I would in any case. I therefore call on all submitted proposals and price lists. Right now my business synonymous running yet, but is on the verge. I apologize for all the anger and Prices please call me so that I can customize it.
Greeting
Jan
Antwort von Marco:
Service prices are based on first time, the staff, not groups, and quality. If services are offered at prices that make no socially appropriate remuneration of the staff involved in this possible, it is beneath all ...
In addition, there are always more or less, many with associated costs that must be taken into account in order to keep s.Laufen a business.
Targeting, supply & demand, quality requirements, etc., can build on this socially just basic price plus additional charges, but will press him on any account.
For 50 euros can be no serious entrepreneurs hawking video production, whole no preference, which target group and what level of quality is targeted there.
Marco
Antwort von VideoXY:
I do not synonymous, but companies aiming for the bowling club around the corner. He will not have 1000 euro for the disposal to be possible to turn a video, you can advertise with the members by which to play it. If you antanzt with a 400 euro da Camera and requires more than 50 euros, then it will be thrown out quickly. Depending on the improving equipment will increase the price.
Greeting
Jan
Antwort von Fargonaut:
So I've often synonymous wondered how the industry calculates the most Prices.
There's on one page the old Avid Rige sitting on outrageously expensive editing suites, and which of course does not fit into the stuff, if there is one, and therefore a service offered at dumping prices. So there was synonymous in other forums already outrageous cries because someone has offered on ebay an Avid editing suite along with editors for a ridiculous price and they wanted to complain somewhere or equal to the vendor show - for unfair competition.
On the other hand we have in Dt. probably a social market economy (which is even manifested in the Basic Law and verfassungsfest) and from that vantage point I can understand such arguments do not always cries when someone would make such offers, the Prices broken.
If this can offer an a 5 Minutenclip for 30 euros, but then he should. I'm pretty sure the whole of the market will regulate itself, for I must not have studied to realize that you shoot for 30 Euros never in my life an attractive spot of 5 minutes, cut and finishing can - unless , one makes the sideline and can be extremely long time - but that would then hardly be market-relevant.
@ Jan
I do not think that this will put all their price list on the table.
But if you own time using the most attractive investment for a promotional clip, then it is already clear that 30 euro should probably be completely normal market. Sure, if I 'ne DV Cam for $ 199 used, then keep the cost initially limited, but one can make perhaps a Promotionclip for the local school choir, which will gather all participants 5 euros, but with rather then the claim has less to do with quality and have the same nothing.
So it always depends what the clientele want to address you want to happen and how costly it.
Reckon it simply, how much time you s.einem 5 Minutenclip have to work and break the time down to 30 euro - for the hourly wages are expected to be well paid 1 Euro Jobber :-) (certainly depends on the entitlement back from).
Greeting
January
(How many Jan's there's this all about? is so bad :-))
Antwort von steve:
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Antwort von Marco:
VideoXY, that's exactly the point. If someone not wanted, no preference whether a private individual, association or company is or is not in a position to pay a fair price, then it is better for the industry by service provider, let it be, than to offer dubious Prices.
If I have put my house 80sqm tiled and I say to the craftsmen that I am only 50 euros in the household economy have left it, then laughs himself sick, and I pay it either appropriate or I do it myself
The idea of such productions for "a few dollars füfzig offer, yet can play the highest in the framework of personal favors, but not within one business conduct.
Marco
Antwort von kris:
Hi Jan,
is indeed synonymous something else - whether you're doing some buddies from the bowling club around the corner a favor :-), or whether you show up with an official price list dumping on the market and the competition means the impression - wegzufischen customers.
As a production company (that you indeed want to be) you have to reckon with your charges, possibly to pay taxes, once synonymous with nem month without receipts, etc. count as 10 euros per hour of work are not possible - if perhaps you'll get only 30 hours for orders.
Sideline, it is probably less dramatic - but you should not be synonymous since your time away.
What is actually Sankelmark? Well, probably not in my area - there can give me your Prices actually be synonymous no preference :-)
ciao Kris
Antwort von Fargonaut:
I'm glad that you have some understanding of my situation. The more I have s.euren examples, notice that my prices were completely unrealistic. I do it while Nebenberuflich and need not pay taxes because I stay in any event under the exemptions, but I have some hourly earnings of 50 cents. Times and I must look like the customers to respond Prices much higher than now.
On the other hand, I agree with "guest", who said that we have a free market economy.
Incidentally Sankelmark up, in Schleswig-Holstein, since video is almost a market niche.
I'm going to my commute Prices in the coming months and then change. As long as there are the old Prices.
Incidentally, I only supply customers in my area. Not even quite SH.
Greeting
January
PS How is meien HP at all of the design from?
Antwort von Acer:
PS How is meien HP at all of the design from? It is quite ok design, but the price list I can look at net, why is it? Granted, a little dry for my taste (read:) white background, since it is still fresh (or?), I wait until it is finished ...;.)
Antwort von Vitrend:
The HP should stay up to individual categories. I've designed for yourself, and am SOOO not the web designer / programmer. The main thing is that it is clear.
Greeting
Jan
Antwort von Vitrend:
Incidentally, I find your signature Acer damn good.
This does not look at you the price list can be better I think so ;-)
Greeting
Jan
Antwort von Acer:
thanks, it was net harm, with the criticism, but perhaps you know why I can look at the price list with a net AdobeReader? This is generally synonymous so that net work, only eerscheint a white window.
Antwort von Vitrend:
If it is generally so hite I, unfortunately not. Incidentally I have not felt as criticism but as a note
Greeting
January
Antwort von kris:
Incidentally Sankelmark up, in Schleswig-Holstein, since video is almost a market niche. Wow - I'm moving to!
PS How is the design of any meien HP ago Want to really know that? :-) Well, she is not-yet completed.
I consider a website as the first ever business card to potential customers. I would not do with a half-finished, largely meaningless without a trace of Page graphic advertising.
Sorry - you've asked. So do not be mad now!
ciao Kris
Antwort von Vitrend:
Although I am still young but not a baby anymore ;-)
The problem with charts is not always the copyright. I can easily find anything bad at Google and then place it into the net. But you're right.
Graphics are missing.
But someone still wants to get rid of something on the rates?
Greeting
January
Antwort von Acer:
The main thing is that it is clear. Since I agree with you 100% ig, because unfortunately there are too many pages, which run through a link-muddle-Warr, s.end to be too unwieldy. Small but nice, "was the motto of the little Johnnie, but Jack wanted something big, pompous, in what was ultimately no joy, for everything that saw his house, felt provoked.
I hope you know what I mean ,...;.)
Antwort von Vitrend:
Yes. In the chat they would now write: LOL.
Greeting
January
Antwort von Acer:
Yes. In the chat they would now write: LOL.
This idea had jmd year, see
chatroom?
Antwort von PowerMac:
I was hoping there would be a discussion.
At first I thought that was a joke or meaningless. But a "Commercial" for 30 euros? That can really only be the lowest possible level. I do not want to brag, but I ask for the 200-fold. Good for nen small flower shop or kebab shop, perhaps not. Sowas rarely makes it to friends. But everything is "advertising" calls can not walk under 1000.
I think in January, we are a sure Prices do not break. Whoever it "book" is not really our target audience. Even the stingy Baden SMEs have more right ...;)
In finalcutpro.de there is currently a similar discussion. The young students, killing off the Prices. It sounds silly, but even a high hourly wage of 50 euros that appear are not really much when you consider his spending and taxes, insurance and the like.
Independent of whether to require editors, directors and visual artists loosely times 200 euro / hour. And rightly so I think. Those who want quality and want the larger companies, pays synonymous.
Antwort von Acer:
But now up to medium length. Just because Jan is slightly cheaper than KonkurrenzCo. does not mean that the quality is 200 times worse than you. If he knows what he can and his customers are satisfied and recommend him, he'll get more customers and what they are doing is paying off. Also, here is a little update relating to:
Antwort von Vitrend:
@ PowerMac
With more commercial film, I mean, after a project for a scout group, a film showing the newcomers the club to show what makes the group. Your Prices are probably more appropriate to refer to commercials for regional television, and then are synonymous. But I want the private views can give a film about their club anzugucken in the living ro. The Prices are raised by this discussion more or less, but it is as long as I still go to school, remain affordable for individuals.
@ kris
If you want to move to Schleswig-Holstein, due to the gap in the market, then consider this: SH is a large area with relatively few people. I know of households that have not even a Fernnseher. DSL came a few months to me. You have a lot of land and very few people who are interested in rare synonymous for video.
Is whether it is a gap in the market, I'm not sure. Possibly due to a low demand, but I can while I go to school nor bad move.
@ all
Talk to an advertisement film for 30 euros, but Prices for the video is universal.
Greeting
Jan
Antwort von PowerMac:
(...) Does not mean that the quality is 200 times worse than you. (...) As I said I did not. He was just serving their own customers.
Antwort von Acer:
But you ask 200 times more teuros what can mean that you evaluate bad Jans production test ...
... what I do not understand
Antwort von Vitrend:
@ Acer
He has only said how much he takes. He has not set price with quality is the same, right?
I apparently stirred up a hornet's nest when I put this discussion on Prices in gnge. I'm glad.
Greeting
Jan
Antwort von Acer:
It came across as
Antwort von Acer:
PowerMac wrote:
>>[...] I was hoping there would be a discussion.
At first I thought that was a joke or meaningless. But a "Commercial" for 30 euros?
That can really only be the lowest possible level. I would not say [...]<<
Antwort von Vitrend:
Nagut, then he has insulted the quality, although it is not Outrageous, but ok.
Who is on my HP, the time please go to> References> Press Downloads Mobago and then look at Navidadau or Christmas time. Thank you.
That is with the XL 2 and the JVC GY-5001 rotated but what I'm about to show. This was really a pleasure and no instructions from my company. More an experiment to learn how to properly filmed with professional equipment.
Greeting
January
Antwort von PowerMac:
That the quality is bad, I said. That it must be worse. But none of 200 times.
Antwort von Acer:
But a direct connection to 200 times more demand was the lowest level
Antwort von Vitrend:
It is definitely worse. And I've defended you so synonymous that you do not 200 times worse. The funny thing is on video, you can get for a few hundred dollars camcorder. Make recognizable images. But the images of cameras ür 2-3 thousand euros to visualize better pictures, but not so synonymous says that one that can be seen of no where a couple hundred dollars expensive camera in the images. If you want more needs to be a few thousand euros drauflegen for better picture quality is not always obvious.
Greeting
Jan
Antwort von Markus:
Hi,
if one is interfering in a discussion like this, you run the risk of being attacked on all sides. Patrick (PowerMac), you know that from your teaching degree s.besten sure.
However, I would like to take this opportunity and ask you all to this: once you slowly declines back, releasing the mouse from the firm grip of the hand is breathing, deep breaths and ask yourself:
Is it really another phrase that is here to discuss the smallest detail? ;-)
Antwort von Vitrend:
Yes it is. I know of sowas chats in online games, as you can for half an hour just talking about a formulation.
Well, usually we ask themselves: Was it really worth consume so much time on a single topic.
In most cases the answer is: NO.
But there are synonymous terms that are worth discussing for so long.
This, however, belongs rather to the first kind.
Greeting
Jan
Antwort von PowerMac:
I have to disappoint you. In my formulation, there is nothing to misunderstand. I spoke of inevitably poor quality. The "200 times has" with the "poor quality" to do nothing.
Okay, Jan offers a rather low quality for little money.
Professionals are not concerned. Who has something to say?
Antwort von Vitrend:
Thanks for the final point PowerMac.
I hereby declare the debate closed.
Greeting
Jan
