Frage von Büschel:
Hello,
I've used up a while ago, a Canon Powershot S5 IS for shooting. This drew in 640x480x30. Unfortunately, she kicked the bucket to me.
As a workaround, I had a Casio V7, however, had no stability for shooting (; ie Jell-O), but now is synonymous departed this.
Well I bought a Canon FS20 SDR. But the picture quality can not convince me at all.
I used ages ago, a Sony MiniDV camera, but after the purchase of the S5 IS erstmal ended up in the closet because I did not want to fiddling with the tapes. Even then I noticed that the films in Comparison to those of the cameras always easy "smeared". Incidentally, the S5 IS does have (a very good quality, AVI with high data rates).
On the television is not so, but I consider 90% of my videos s.Computermonitor.
Now I have to ask themselves whether it is generally the case that Digicams, which work better with 30fps recording on the computer monitor as a camcorder with its 25fps? Camcorders're optimized for playback on TV, that is, in our latitudes, so that only PAL and 25fps. 30fps looks easy because of the gentle movement.
Or is it synonymous camcorder, do not lubricate when viewed on a computer monitor? (; now apart of HD camcorders that record progressive, but I would not have HD camcorder)
Previously angetestet camcorder:
- Samsung VPMX20 - did not like me because he had a creaking screen
- Panasonic SDR150 - I found the shape of her no good and the quality of film spoke to me not
Antwort von HT:
Even then I noticed that the films in Comparison to those of the cameras always easy "smeared". On the television is not so, but I consider 90% of my videos s.Computermonitor. I once strongly suspect that this is related to it that the video from the camcorder is composed of fields, while the camera provides full frames. (; Tube) television can only show half frames, computer monitors only full frames, so you have the problem only on PC monitors.
Solution: (If your player turn the deinterlacer, if it has one) / or re-encode and can deinterlace it.
Camcorders're optimized for playback on TV, that is, in our latitudes, so that only PAL and 25fps. PAL consists of 50 fields! They are indeed only 25fps in reality, although the representation of movement should be better than with 30 full frames.
Antwort von Büschel:
Then you do not, the fact would assert that that takes up a Canon Powershot S5 IS with 640x480 pixels which delivers better quality than a Legria Canon FS20. Of course the S5 IS takes better movies than the pröttelige small FS20 with their 1 / 6 "CCD. I've got both of files on the calculator. Because even makes the little pros s.Auflösung of the SDR-nothing competitive.
I really think the S20
R for 320 ¬, not the HF20.
Deinterlace times I've tried, at the VLC player there are several possibilities. Which should I choose? There are uA Linear and Blend available, as well as "Bob" (, huh?) And "X".
Nevertheless, the films contribute a total of less "smooth".
Antwort von HT:
Of course the S5 IS takes better movies than the pröttelige small FS20 with their 1 / 6 "CCD. I've got both of files on the calculator. Because even makes the little pros s.Auflösung of the SDR-nothing competitive.
I really think the S20 R for 320 ¬, not the HF20. Not so fast reply, I have deleted the statement shortly before them ;-)
Deinterlace times I've tried, at the VLC player there are several possibilities. Which should I choose? There are uA Linear and Blend available, as well as "Bob" (, huh?) And "X".
Nevertheless, the films contribute a total of less "smooth". http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deinterlacer#Bobbing_.28line_averaging.29 Yes, deinterlacing is not generally so (the hammer, unless you have) a good deinterlacer. Just so, but again my question: Why do you want any HD Cam? Just when you anschaust the videos on the PC Thou shouldst have sometimes indistinguishable 640 * 480 sick, right?
Antwort von Büschel:
Although I test videos from the FS20 (; FS20-FS22 are identical up to the internal memory) in the network was quite useful, but I have probably missed because that was the NTSC versions (; videos from the U.S.). There stop my assumption that the synonymous 25 vs. 30 pictures represent something.
Well, I have been synonymous 720x576 or 640x480 really always been enough.
As far as HD, so it's just eats quite a lot of memory, plus I have neither an HD television or a giant screen. I have a Samsung 19 "with 1280x1024 resolution, which is sufficient to me synonymous.
While 720p looks quite nice from there on it, but it is not an absolute must.
In addition, HD cameras are currently still relatively expensive. Somehow I lack a middle class. While I often times films, but usually rather short clips, so a maximum of 10-20 minutes per trip (; am otherwise rather Stillimage-) as a videographer. Either there are the arschteuren parts for ¬ 700 or upwards, or any trashy "style things" for 150 ¬ with eye cancer included, synonymous known as the "Youtube generation" cameras.
During my trips I usually take my big DSLR with this and I would like to hold a compact camcorder that does not fall into the next weight. The video quality but it should already have a certain quality, it must not now be absolutely professional, but at least as much like my S5 IS, it should be (and the Canon S super zooms are quite nice stop bits, so I've ruled out the purchase of a successor model ), certainly better than cell phone quality.
I had toyed with the Canon HF10, but since I have the rolling shutter effect on quenched sample videos pretty. Therefore, I am synonymous skeptical about the newer cameras that come along with almost all CMOS sensors. Or is there CMOS cameras, which does not occur by the Rolling Shutter / Skew-Effect? If yes, please triple-digit price range, if not, then do not ...
Currently, I am flirting with the Panasonic TZ7. This camera offers a comprehensive 25-300mm zoom lens and can record at 1280x720, and even the Motion JPEG. Stereo sound, optical stabilizer and optical zoom when shooting has them synonymous. However, frightens me, "Focus Hunting" issue something that occurs, especially when zooming during recording (; me would be essential before one considers that before seeing "unprofessional" from - I'm just) not a professional.
Stability would be to me the more important, than that I want mitschleifen no tripod.
Antwort von tommyb:
Cameras are now no better time camcorder, camcorder, like never take reasonable photos.
Since you do not want the whole eh s.TV look, yes you can like to resort to the cameras. Should you only want to look at some s.TV will be only partly good DVDs with the material feasible. More suitable then something like "WD TV.
Antwort von actaion:
So my video camera (; SD, sony dvd510)) assumes definitely better than my videos on compact-knipse (; Panasonic LZ5). Also s.PC when deinterlacing considered.
At low light condition, the difference is not so huge. But just in difficult conditions with the LZ is only 5 most murks rum (; outshone komisceh colors, etc.).
And from the sound we do not need to talk.
It may be natural that the S5 is better than the LZ 5 and the FS20 worse than the DVD510.
To the S5 is indeed among the kompaktknipsen a top model, while the FS20 camcorders beginner-to-one. Inasmuch se would not be surprising if the FS20 is not much better.
Antwort von B.DeKid:
Unfortunately, it is .... I croaked.
..... but now it is synonymous passed away.
.... Hmm, very strange, - /
MfG
B. DeKid
Antwort von Büschel:
Well, I just wonder that the SDR has a worse video quality than my 2 years old SonyminiDV-camera, where was the Sonysogar 60 ¬ cheaper. Both have only a 1 / 6 "CCD, but the Sonyrauscht noticeably less, has a CZ-Lens, the Canon seems nen shithouse lens.
S.and for themselves and we should have with you the files of the LZ7 yes but what to do. Even if you do not need 720p or i, it can indeed runterrechnen to PAL.
Times as needed:
Is there a video camera, the CCD, optical stabilizer links and progressive recording together?
Antwort von comix:
Well, I just wonder that the SDR has a worse video quality than my 2 years old SonyminiDV-camera, where was the Sonysogar 60 ¬ cheaper. Both have only a 1 / 6 "CCD, but the Sonyrauscht noticeably less, has a CZ-Lens, the Canon seems nen shithouse lens. Wow, there actually is someone that the real CZ-CZ-Lenses are Lenses. Sweet.
Antwort von Büschel:
Wow, there actually is someone that the real CZ-CZ-Lenses are Lenses. Sweet. I ask myself now, rather, whether the sentence is synonymous for German. Whether the lens is now actually German workmanship or not remains to be seen once, the fact is that the Sonyjedenfalls takes better pictures than the Canon.
Antwort von comix:
Wow, there actually is someone that the real CZ-CZ-Lenses are Lenses. Sweet.
I ask myself now, rather, whether the sentence is synonymous for German. Whether the lens is now actually German workmanship or not remains to be seen once, the fact is that the Sonyjedenfalls takes better pictures than the Canon. You must either a "thinks" used in the sentence.
The HV30 does not compete with the 500 euros more expensive XRV520VE. But with the HC9 example, and they went swimming. XHA1 compared with HV20 does indeed synonymous None.
Antwort von Büschel:
Ok, but come back again to my question: Is there a camcorder, the CCD, optical stabilization and progressive recording connects?
Antwort von JonasB:
Nope ... at least not (in your desired price range, <700 ¬) and your weight and size concept. I do not know where is your problem ... vlt you should adjust your needs to your home video maker level ... after what I've read of you, I'd dir nen small 3CCD camcorders with optical image stabilization, but with 50i recommend. Add to that a program that is ... vernüpftig Deinterlaced program eg ne new Magixversion, although not the best, but good in ner price range. And because of your camcorder, such views after the post
"Panasonic NV-GS 500 inc Batteries and Accessories OVP", which is currently s.laufen. By you had one of the best small camcorder for your needs. Face Value lies with CS850 ¬ ... Since you have to prove your skills as a trader;)
MFG
Jonas
PS not so much value on your leg "stability" is in my opinion not to compare with one tripod, plus a "stabilizer makes" at unrühger hand, the picture still un "smoother": P
Antwort von Büschel:
850 ¬ I am a little too steep.
I have once ordered the Samsung WB500. Has 24-240mm, records in 720p, stereo, zoom in fairly easily and is synonymous recording what I've seen on Youtube, actually looked quite good. Also, I would need before another "Take a photo," because I have the others anymore. And 220 ¬ is an acceptable price.
So "unprofessional" claims I have not time - it should have come out a little more than trashy movies that just any good times for Youtube - but I want to stop hinbekommen with relatively little effort. Editing program, I have Cyberlink Power Director, which is enough for me to date erstmal.
I'm going to look at how the Samsung does.
Tripod, I do not want ... is simply this: P.
Antwort von JonasB:
Well, that what makes trashy movies on YouTube, is certainly not the camera;) I think for around 220 ¬ you bought was good. Find me in order, I hate people who shoot with 1500 ¬ camcorders ne wedding wohlbemerkt from the last bank ... if you know what I mean. As is the poor camera simply in the wrong hands;) Ok has much to do with envy ^ ^ Have fun and success! ! !
MFG
Jonas
Antwort von Büschel:
Well, some cameras, where image quality is so bad sold, but that it "Youtube-righteous" is to make the films already bad. On Youtube the quality since the introduction of HD is pretty good, I think.
I will post later once my impressions of the camera.
S.and for what I would like to be faster anyway, would be wide angle. However, there are so low in price any camcorder with wide angle. Converter mostly worthless. Hence, the Samsung is a good choice for me anyway. The camcorder-Manufacturer indeed seem to prefer the zoom race to play, when I look at the Panasonic SDR26 crazy with 70x zoom on a 1 / 8 "look, I seriously wonder what will bring the most part ... we need much at all focal no, ok, at Youtube has taken a one Songbird, who was depicted as almost full frame, but that was synonymous with super-light conditions. Apart from the fact that these crass values freehand already unsustainable.
Antwort von Büschel:
So I once angetestet the WB500 and the part has a serious production error: At full wide angle position is the right Page darkened. At first I thought my camera would have this problem alone. Nil. On Youtube, I have again looked more closely and tada! Even with this error. Strangely, it only occurs (;!) In the movie-on mode, but not during photographing.
Samsung Honestly, what the fuck? If I buy already ne Camera, synonymous, I expect that I can shoot the wide Anglebeim full use of.
We can solve the problem but, by doing something reinzoomt, but I do not buy this camera, which is advertised in the 24mm Wide Angleexplizit.
