Newsmeldung von slashCAM: Digital photography is obsolete because in comparison to bad? Of rob - 30 oct 2008 11:54:00 Is digital photography obsolete? If it goes even Ken Rockwell: After
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Antwort von Meggs:
specialized laboratories because the first better Diascan quickly produce files (;-) Thanks to digital technology as they professional digital cameras can produce. Could this be the reason why the DSLR Manufacturer her salvation in the HD video capability of the cameras looking ;-)
The advent of digital photography began with 2-megapixel cameras. The biggest advantages of digital photography is not better result, and not synonymous in the cheaper camera, but in the immediate and free availability of the images. It is still not very long ago, there was a hobby Diascan with a 300 ¬ slide scanner better than most of digitally captured images. However, any transition to digital. Why should digital photography is now extinct, just because with the latest professional technology Diascans now are better.
Antwort von Videobodo:
Hallöschen
I think first you have to times between, photograph, and, shoot, differ. The photographer has always had the advantages of both techniques, Analog and Digital for its use. For the vast majority of users of compact cameras or style is the requirement for another. There are imaging, depth or
Golden Section is unknown and unimportant. It is important for the immediate free availability of the straight, geknipst, image.
For the analog photographers are everywhere the crisp sharp images, large dynamic range in color, which he for image-making in his work exploits.
Bodo
Antwort von scubavideo1:
I contradict him!
Digital photography and digital film have some crucial advantages for the mass of users (yet) existing drawbacks of digital technology far outweigh.
Images are
immediately betrachtbar
The initial costs are higher, s.die running costs for analog footage and possibly scans are significantly higher for short.
Digital technology is becoming increasingly powerful.
Also has an extensive infrastructure of Internetausbelichtern and specialized high-end laboratories, the enlargements at prices offered, of which a few years ago could only dream of.
The cheap availability of digital still image and video technology is changing our behavior documentation. There will be more geknipst and kept it. The general quality is the obvious harm, but this is lower quality Youtube, Flickr and the social networks of Web 2.0 generally accepted.
As in other areas will be synonymous but synonymous here is a small community of Fine Arts photographer and film-makers with the best resources available to work and to choose the technology that solves their s.besten task - be it analog or ditigal.
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Antwort von MacPro:
Why should digital photography is now extinct, just because with the latest professional technology Diascans now are better. The latest professional technology "comes from the year 2003! Since there is no significant product innovations in the field of the slide / negative scanner which seems to be the Lord Rockwell is not aware of it.
Antwort von Ficeduld:
... and one more thing. The digital clippers of today has no buck with more bags of shooting in the holiday to travel, or in some nirvana to find a shop selling the films. How Scuba writes abdrücken without much thinking, and then grad rumzeigen and delete useless grad. Back to analog? For the mass ridiculous.
Antwort von Jan:
The article is nonsense.
There is only one area (glossy photo) where the analog cameras to stay ahead. But that is synonymous earliest history, there have been so in the past few weeks, many new cameras & backs presented (Hasselblad & Phase One etc).
In well-known magazines like professional photo, there were good tests between Full analogue and digital SLR models. The analogue models were in many areas, not better, on the dynamic range is not.
If one sees it objectively - the digital camera is simply better.
In my family, my brother and my father was obsessed synonymous analog Camera, and Digital were hater. Now shoot both only digitally - and now it is - because the picture quality - not because of the improved workflows.
VG
Jan
Antwort von B.DeKid:
So as the first - digital scanner of the new generation of 2003 are not ;-)
Digital Analog where worth is too slow, and just synonymous with all normal users.
Analog is expensive, time and effort needed skills to the man with 4 GB memory card can simply renounce.
Good films, such as the (now synonymous in the sample as a professional photo available) Agfa Ektra ToP 100 are but the movies really get good photos.
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In the medium-format st use of the analog is still recommended, since most can not S2 or Phase One afford / justify.
Laboratory work today but hardly make sense, I am 3 years ago on large plotters Still Image s.4000Euro up transition, and the quality is SUPER.
Since you can work under the rotlicht really save money.
MfG
B. DeKid
Antwort von MacPro:
So as the first - digital scanner of the new generation of 2003 are not ;-)
MfG
B. DeKid Oh yeah? Then times making an example. Which company, which scanner?
Antwort von B.DeKid:
New Nikon or Canon scanners Agfa with about 48 000 DPI .... for 400 - 1000 + euro .... or then the halt of 2003 and na ..... Tesla was synonymous to "Free Energy" invented? And what did you s.Yellow paid this year? ;-)
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Never before was 10 years of development status belongs? perhaps the new scanner gabs ja synonymous early as 1998 in some Area 51 lab
So long
B. DeKid
Antwort von MacPro:
Well, stupid gone, ne?
Antwort von SixFo:
Slowly, it is doh times with the analog / digital comparison. It is simply ridiculous and just logical that with time everything will be replaced analogue. Will soon be the ultimate proof that vinyl is better than a CD? Clocks with hands more accurately than digital watches? Normal flexible as a digital picture frame?
In a few years is no longer synonymous Celluloid rotated ...
Antwort von Schleichmichel:
I photograph still small and scanner then the negatives or slides, if I absolutely do digitally. I liebäugel although with a SonyDSRL, s.der my Minolta lens range use. But at the moment, I have fast availability of images is not necessary. At least not so necessary to the purchase price to justify ...
Only with scanners, you sometimes synonymous to his problems, or with the film lab, which does not consider appropriate, times their development machine to clean and cut the film at times synonymous five straight game and leave a portion of the image through.
About the new Kodak Ektar 100, I am pleased, but the thing is synonymous only a derivative of the film materials of the Motion Picture Recording movies. This means that the production is small for a massive back ...
Antwort von KrischanDO:
... Digital die because specialized laboratories initially improved rapidly produce Diascan files (;-) Thanks to digital technology as they professional digital cameras can produce. ... What did the good Ken Rockwell smoked since before he has written?
Take a Nikon D3 with decent optics, the point at ISO 200, and exposure to photograph 40 x 60 cm.
Presence of F5 or F6 with the same optics, and an
ISO 200 film, not Fuji Velvia, the true 50 ISO needs, photography, scanners and exposure to 40 x 60 from.
Since the 200 film look bad. At ISO 3200 it should be an absolute laughing. If I s.Prints of 1000 CN-Shooting think - because you do not need grain magnifier ...
The digital photography with the immediate availability is so firmly rooted in the workflows, synonymous of glossy photography, integrated schietegal that is what some scanners may be better than 10 years ago.
Today, with its more None 4 x 5 inches slide into the lab, picks it after two hours, can scan it or make it yourself, so that the pictures in DIN A4 with 80 lines printed.
Until then, the long shot Digital via FTP to the client. Where he first three days rumliegt, but that is another matter.
Probably, Ken Rockwell, the otherwise perfectly sensible things writes about how he once again the traffic on a website could push. And that goes with something better than with the message that the Nikon Full geile parts.
Regards
Christian
Antwort von Jan:
I can fully share your opinion. Unfortunately, there are analog freaks on bending and breaking the old technology in the sky to praise, often applies to users who have little or no current with cutting-edge technology have worked (ie D 3). Yes, the user with an ISO 3200 film times photographed have since seen an immediate difference with the D 3 with ISO 3200th
I have but of professionals from the glossy photograph can tell that one or the other photographer there come with analogue medium format cameras prefer working - but the time is synonymous soon.
VG
Jan
Antwort von werner sternath:
Digital photography is obsolete because in comparison to bad? Of rob - 30 oct 2008 11:54:00
Is digital photography obsolete? If it goes even Ken Rockwell: After Tests zwischen einer Nikon D3 (4.849,-) and einer Kodak Retina IIIc of 1956 (auf Ebay shot für: 75$), bei denen der Fuji-Velvia 50 Scan der antiken Kodak-Knipse merklich höhere Resolutionbesitzt, als das digitale Voll-Format-Picture and dies zu einem Bruchteil des Preises, steht für Ken Rockwell fest: Digital stirbt, weil Fachlabore erstmalig schnell bessere Diascan-Dateien produzieren (Dank digitaler Technik ;-), als sie digitale Profi-Cams erzeugen können. Könnte dies der Grund sein, weshalb die DSLR-Manufacturer ihr Heil in der HD-Videofähigkeit der Kameras suchen ;-)
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the comparatively lagging because the digital world more rapidly developed and the anolge stands still. the advantages of digital photography are already overwhelming.
Antwort von B.DeKid:
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I have but of professionals from the glossy photograph can tell that one or the other photographer there come with analogue medium format cameras prefer working - but the time is synonymous soon.
VG
Jan
Yes when I use the example Leica S2 for under 10 000 euro get, or simply a Mamiya back for under 10 000 euros, then I might change my imagine ;-) Until then, a roll film for 8 euros and a negative development (WITHOUT CUTTING LET) for 4 euros just more convenient.
And Polaroit Back s.der Mamiya is even today, for me the way to go.
So I Knipps to alternate back and miss a roll film - Done.
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If it means to be in format such as fashion shots then lends it just the latest Camera "and sets the Leihpreis for 1-3 days with the invoice.
Find the expensive rent of Equitment or even studios are profitable with the most.
I have my yes we still talk of fast times 30 000 + euros a medium format camera fast times cost - no more and Lenses, etc. is expected.
So much money I can not currently be justified.
MfG
B. DeKid
PS. Beginners but personally I advise always to a current "beginner" DSLR of Canon, Nikon or Pentax, so you can learn much faster and have fun than to work with analog.
Analog does not forgive mistakes as quickly and requires little experience in dealing with everything - lights, camera, & post set.
Antwort von Meggs:
Yes, the user with an ISO 3200 film times photographed have since seen an immediate difference with the D 3 with ISO 3200th
Ken Rockwell Although I do not agree, you must Fairnis half of this note:
Digital cameras, always use noise ausgefuchstere algorithms, are the only reason why ISO 3200 images of new cameras still acceptable. If analog ISO 3200 images scanned and postpro with these algorithms process would probably synonymous out respectable results. It could be synonymous analogue multiple exposures to bring software to increase the dynamics and noise and film grain rauszurechnen.
Antwort von werner sternath:
Analog or digital that you should know
advantages of digital photography
1. analog fotagrafie has developed in environmentally quite burdened
2. analogue films are much more sensitive for scanners s.airport, the expiration date, when storing (entire cabinets full dias a tiny HDD), against scratches, the annoying grinding marks in the drafting of labor,
3. when projected eliminates the annoying plop and the groom,
the hearty s.pc owned or digital picture frame
4. the rapid development,
5. of the deformed and photographic film (think she s.eine 35mm film team and a Hasselblad against canon eos5dmark2
5. I personally have suffered when sorting the dias, the right eye is long sighted by week by a 10 fold lupe nearly broke
6. the archiving of slides in order to verglauch festplatte
7. when editing, etc. between
8. when traveling along the iso of 50 to 1600 with filming bleitaschen
9. Now listen to while I am sure many would invade
the only FORTEIL I accept analogue photograph is the collector's value of selected older mechanical cameras, however, we must wait because at the moment are the only machines anolgen more than scrap value. for my mint leica m sumilux aspherival to 45000, - schilling
rot because of 300, - euro, I would not verkafen
werner Sternath
Antwort von B.DeKid:
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5. of the deformed and photographic film (think she s.einen 35mm film and a hazel leaf against canon eos5dmark2
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So the hot nich HASSELBLAD - and what has since a Hasselblad with 35 mm film to do?
And generally
Cameras with film (video) have zero chance against 35 mm cameras alá Arri, and in relation to photographs not stand a chance against synonymous Hasselblad cameras.
Meanwhile, we surely agree Mr Sternath - or?
Antwort von werner sternath:
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try it as a traveling photo and movies with a quality of a digital canon D5mark 2 to make. because they would have a 35mm film camera with 100 roll film, a Hasselblad with 5 objective with a team of 3 people with you. The difference in weight being about 50 n.zu 2 n.sind
werner Sternath
Antwort von KrischanDO:
If analog ISO 3200 images scanned and postpro with these algorithms process would probably synonymous out respectable results. It could be synonymous analogue multiple exposures to bring software to increase the dynamics and noise and film grain rauszurechnen.
In the specialist lab prints of 1000s CN shooting in 24 x 30 cm, s.die I remember, we already have very sophisticated algorithms to ensure the grain to reduce sensibly. Such algorithms as in Us thrillers in which the rauschigen NTSC movies indicator in the car 300 meters away with sharp ringsrum block is expected.
And CN, pushed to 3200, helping more of a shotgun in order to remove the grain. Apart from this happening in such hardcore Pusherei much more than just the formation of grain heirs. Since the colors do what they want.
Multiple exposures: Welcome to the past, as with the RGB filter wheel in front of the studio camera his three exposures made.
Prior to 8 or 10 years I have synonymous nicely at 4 x 5 inches my industrial shots made. With the scan-back climb to the gantry and the mill abschiepen - impossible. With the Sinar went already. A few Pola, down thrown into the hall until the advertising manager nodded, four slides and two CN expose, done.
This was then scanned and max. DIN 4 printed.
I rise today with the D700 as high, a few exposures to move I need it in Photoshop and just finished. On paper you will see no difference.
Regards
Christian
Antwort von B.DeKid:
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try it as a traveling photo and movies with a quality of a digital canon D5mark 2 to make. because they would have a 35mm film camera with 100 roll film, a Hasselblad with 5 objective with a team of 3 people with you. The difference in weight being about 50 n.zu 2 n.sind
werner Sternath
Gude - Yes it is clearly spelling mistake, I make the synonymous CONTINUED .... the only the reason.
But can you explain me what you just here trying to tell?
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Times I wrote some time ago
Why a photographer could not make films - would probably be that he hardly Still image video camera and can operate simultaneously / drag.
On perfectly justifiable theories of our Lord Bzgl Powermac film of photographers who would like I will not comment further.
But what you're trying to say is nonsense!
So just so the info
A Canon 5D is a "KB" Camera - which is small for yes - as you certainly know yes.
One is a Hasselblad medium format camera. (It is probably synonymous KB Hasselblad already have - before my time - so I can have nothing to say)
A Canon is moving to the 21 mega pixels - Hasselblad (digital) as between 39 - 61 mega pixels.
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A 35 mm Arri camera, you can probably "never" use alone or with rumtragen itself.
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A "couple" - and here I go with the times of "normal traveler" from - will have all three brands mentioned hardly leave a camera can do.
Still he could with the devices.
A professional would NEVER just use a Canon 5D in order to make both - Still Image and Film.
Moreover, we should probably agree.
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With the annotated comparison of you, you just verunsicherst beginners.
So what is not good and brings nothing to the beginner.
One can DSLR with video function s no real danger for video cameras to see.
They are mere objects whose sales technique only shows what is feasible today.
This is so with all due respect, as if my friends here show your mobile phone with 5 mega pixels and the Meihnung they would produce better pictures than I so as with my first Digital IXUS, the only 1 mega pixel had. Idiocy!
2 completely different worlds are. And you can say with a new 5D.
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I think we are the hype of us being made in the coming years with even more cameras will experience.
The fact remains ...
- Still image video cameras with function - to keep video cameras to film - and their mega-pixel photos say nothing about the ability of the videos from.
- Cameras with video capability - Still Image cameras remain to photograph - and this situation is exactly the same way - the mega-pixels of the pictures says nothing about their video qualities.
Please remember in your years-long experience that you if you sollche comparisons here aufführst entrants nothing you're doing good.
(Also Bzgl Bridge cameras whose zoom capabilities with a L IS II Lens to compare)
Thank you
MfG
B. DeKid
PS. I'm sorry the idiocy and nonsense words used to have, do not take this personally, but there are people who are happy to stop what can tell. But you can only be explained matters.
Antwort von werner sternath:
teiweise I give you right in the studio may be a few professionals to work if they need posters of 5x3m. synonymous but the use for the most part professional miniature cameras. eg a eos1 with 24 million pixels, and not just based on price.
at most good professionals Armateurs or is the price difference of tens of thousands of affordable non-euro
Take me for example but as a traveler and lecturer on
screens of 4x6 meters with HDV biem.
I would have a medium format camera is not in question, it is too big, too heavy, just awkward in handling. and a herunterquetschen of 35 million pixels at 1920x1080 makes no sense.
the digital world of video and film merges more and more, as in the canon eos5 MARK2, with 21 million. pixel and full hd.
Thank God there are different opinions such as ours.
But wait another two years you will see me and maybe give quite
google my homepage werner Sternath
warmly Sternath werner
Antwort von B.DeKid:
Hi Werner
Thank you my report does not take evil.
Yes, I give you today synonymous in many of your arguments right.
I can even say that I myself have a EOS 5D Mark II will buy in the next few days ;-)
But I'm more of the Full and the 21 mega pixels appreciated.
As already known, I work with EOS1, EOS1V and EOS 400D.
Furthermore, I do different Mamiyas and a synonymous Bessa ;-)
The 5D and irritates me, however, is really in the moderate price segment.
Only I will not shoot you with - not consciously.
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OT:
Times I've visited your website, and I liked your pictures.
They are very good, your donations synonymous to India I can only salute.
Such things should be more people around you!
Wishes good luck and continue to be fun.
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MfG
B. DeKid
PS. Welcome to Slashcam
Antwort von werner sternath:
Hi Werner
Thank you my report does not take evil.
Yes, I give you today synonymous in many of your arguments right.
I can even say that I myself have a EOS 5D Mark II will buy in the next few days ;-)
But I'm more of the Full and the 21 mega pixels appreciated.
As already known, I work with EOS1, EOS1V and EOS 400D.
Furthermore, I do different Mamiyas and a synonymous Bessa ;-)
The 5D and irritates me, however, is really in the moderate price segment.
Only I will not shoot you with - not consciously.
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OT:
Times I've visited your website, and I liked your pictures.
They are very good, your donations synonymous to India I can only salute.
Such things should be more people around you!
Wishes good luck and continue to be fun.
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MfG
B. DeKid
PS. Welcome to Slashcam
grateful that we have together but somehow have found the words to be close to a quiet and nice to know I find that super -
maybe even have time for a visit in Währinger vault belongs to me
warmly Sternath werner
Antwort von freezer:
What Rockwell writes as is - to put it mildly - idiocy.
As he praised as a three dimensional analog film, the rock against the sky can emerge and how sharp the details are in the analog film.
But this is the sole merit of his Unscharfmaskierens Scan and not the analog film. Each professionally earlier worked with analog scans, you can see - the picture was überschärft (probably for the pressure / closing date optimized). Everywhere is Alias | Wavefront Mayaing to see.
Then, he compares a landscape photo of its D3 (JPG instead of RAW apparently) with the retina, where he digital picture at 118% and then hochskaliert Grain confused with detail.
Also about what he "It just looks better" writes is simply nonsense. You can place a light table hardly compare with a TFT - apart from that, there are very TFTs with a rich red to show.
Then he faselt something of Noise Reduction - and as proof he shows a scan without and with noise reduction - completely ignoring that no RAW noise reduction used. And again he confused with grain detail.
Then:
1) No attention s.the wasted looking back of the camera after each shot.
Why he did not just review, if it bothers him so much?
Also the other "advantages" of analog, I can not understand.
I used a Canon AE1 with photographs (slides) - great camera, beautiful pictures, but in comparison to my EOS400D stinks from the full picture - not to speak of higher current DSLR.
Analog was nice, but I weep the tears no longer.
