Infoseite // Does it make any sense to an AVCHD camcorder switch



Frage von cherrypictures:


Hello together,
synonymous yes I am faced with the question what camcorder I should buy.
So far, I have with the NV-GS300 Panasonic of work. Synonymous'm very satisfied so far with the Camera. The image editing I do with several programs. Magix Studio and 12th The AVI file is finished but then with Encore DVD CS3 brought to DVD. The Menuerstellung is simply better.
Now I had but Christmas nativity play in the church filmed. The lighting conditions were not particularly. It is synonymous to the image quality is not convincing. As I have considered in a newer model to invest. Now to the questions.
Does it make any sense to an AVCHD camcorder to switch, because I would be the first film on DVD continues to burn. Or will the quality even worse if the footage is expected to back down.
The second thing would be the handling s.PC. If the new format so synonymous problems in several programs and her slide out (when I later look at ray Disc BD-burn will)?
For answers and experiences I would be very grateful.
Greeting cherry pictures
(The Sony HDR-SR11E would be my favorite)


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Antwort von kili:

Hi,
AVCHD is a lot of resource-sapping than HDV.
in comparison of hv30 reached the HF100 and HF100 marginally more focus, otherwise isses probably quite similar.
I have a HDV cam decided because I switched to was not worth it, as long as there is no clear evidence that AVCHD really with the existing hardware is cut.
grüße:
kilian

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Antwort von RickyMartini:

With the Canon HV30 wert thou surely synonymous well served if it is HD AVCHD but not required.
A Down Computing always worsens the Picture.

Since my native AVCHD is too tough, I use the HQ codec of Canopus and edit my videos with "Canopus Edius NEO". This can be almost in DV-style work. :)

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Antwort von tillbaer:

@ cherry pictures:
If you get the new camcorder because Lowlightaufnahmen want to buy, then I do not think any of you with a noticeable current Consumercams get better results than before.
Good, perhaps even in the whole new generation of something (Canon HF-S10 or Panasonic SD300), but since you have to wait for the tests.
Otherwise, when the chips Consumercams for Lowlight just too small. Because I would rather look at a used VX2100 of Sonyzu get when you are not too large.
However, if you just basically want to switch to HD, I would rather you synonymous HDV guess. First, did you continue your usual tapes and secondly can you do that, as already said was a better cut.
Ich hab mir also viewed the SR's synonymous for me and decided HV30. For me, the most complete and the round equipment package.
Greetings - Til.

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Antwort von WoWu:

@ cherry pictures

Quote: when I later look at ray Disc BD-burn will)?
... then with the HDV (MPEG2 natively H14) is not!
Blu-ray does not support the codec.
But AVCHD (and derivatives) in 1440x1080.

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Antwort von cebros:

But plays no role at all, if the material is handled or cut. Then one anyway Neucodierung due.

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Antwort von deti:

"cebros" wrote: But plays no role at all, if the material is handled or cut. Then one anyway Neucodierung due.
That is not true - the so-called Smart Rendering
Deti


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Antwort von Shiranai:

"RickyMartini" wrote: A Down Computing always worsens the Picture.
Compared with the HD material, yes.
But if you have material of a camcorder, the SD-only Resolutionbeherrscht with downscaled HD material compare, I would say cut the HD material better.
The HD material stuck yes more picture information, which is synonymous in downscaled material basis of better edge sharpness and noise mitigated felt likely.

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Antwort von WoWu:

@ Cebros

Quote: But plays no role at all, if the material is handled or cut. Then one anyway Neucodierung due.

And furthermore ... if you then in a codec to render ACV want (need), you can immediately synonymous in the codec cut ...

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Antwort von WoWu:

@ Shiranai
Quote: But if you have material of a camcorder, the SD-only Resolutionbeherrscht with downscaled HD material compare, I would say cut the HD material better.
The HD material stuck yes more picture information, which is synonymous in downscaled material basis of better edge sharpness and noise mitigated felt likely.


That's not quite. The only advantage that you have is the fact that the HD Lenses a linear behavior in the SD-border area have increased by 5 MHz. This has a positive effect on image quality.
But the fairy tale, more of image content is sound and smoke ....
Quite the contrary ... an interpolation, which contains all Codierartefakte is always worse than an identical image resolution, which comes from the sensor. And more than the SD Resolutionkannst you so or not so rüberretten.
Would you have a HD on an SD Lens Camera operate, you would have with the better distance (SD)-Picture.
And a larger signal to noise (noise) are not synonymous, because the limiting factor in 8bit already recording the band is.
Not infrequently the synonymous converter hardware.

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Antwort von WeiZen:

If you want to switch because LowLifht, take the FX-1000.

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Antwort von weitwinkel:

"Wheat" wrote: If you want to switch because LowLight, take the FX-1000.
hmmm, or better yet the ex1 / 3!
gruß cj

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Antwort von domain:

Since I would prefer to be upcoming successor to the EX1 / 3 with the wait appears to global enforcement 422 XDCAM HD format (as RAI).
XDCAM-EX format is used for hobby and AVCHD replace dilapidated says my gaze into the crystal ball a bit clouded.

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Antwort von gunman:

"WoWu" wrote: @ cherry pictures

Quote: when I later look at ray Disc BD-burn will)?
... then with the HDV (MPEG2 natively H14) is not!
Blu-ray does not support the codec.
But AVCHD (and derivatives) in 1440x1080.


So please,
these are exactly the statements have the people here upset. Even if it agrees with certainty what you write here (I am not mass ssdeiner competence to scratch, because that is certainly bigger than mine), but when I read it, then arises the impression (perhaps for laymen in your eyes) that you eg SonyFX shots with a 7 or Canon XHA1 not on Blu Ray can burn ... and that is WRONG with security.
Gunman

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Antwort von domain:

Are there appears to have been solutions for native HDV and BD:
http://videotreffpunkt.com/thread.php?threadid=5305

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Antwort von WoWu:

A glance at the specifications usually helps:

BR 1440 only supports AVC or VC1 format (not HDV MPEG2 @ H14)
In MPEG 2 BR supports only the HL and ML format. (not 1440)

And solutions are of course so that you transcodiert. One has then but not more original, but only the quality, the Interpolationstool being made ....
So if you are your 1440 file to your calculator and do cut, you can check the file, just as it is in BR rüberschieben then just nix.

It helps but not next, finally, that the facts before the eye closes.

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Antwort von wolfgang:

The above link refers to Ulead movie distiller 6 +, and that's with the specs rather open.

However, synonymous Sony Vegas Pro 8 to my knowledge after Blu Ray templates in 1440x1080 for the Main Concept mpeg2 encoder on - so that the material is synonymous modify it without preparatory for Blu Ray and then synonymous then SonyDVDA5 without renewed author can encode. There is the DVDA5 actually quite fussy - not spec-compliant material would not accept it. Well, who knows.

So why now is the ever - despite Spec - it's simply. And if today someone of HDV material comes around, I would not synonymous modify it, but rather remain at 1440x1080 - it's my opinion.

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Antwort von WoWu:

Only then synonymous Player You must find the (non conforme) format allude .... and hope that all those with whom you so exotic you want to perform, such a synonymous Player.

So, as I said ... A glance at the specifications (Blu-ray and HDMI) shows you where on the page is secure.

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Antwort von wolfgang:

Hmm, with my Samsung gehts problems.

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Antwort von WoWu:

For all other synonymous?
Then vote the most Blu-ray specifications of Sony Not ....

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Antwort von cherrypictures:

Thank you for the many responses and contributions. I'm going to get the whole again through the head can go. But for better low light recording s.2000 euros upwards to invest is to me too much. I wanted to spend a maximum of 1000.
Greeting cherry pictures

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Antwort von jazzy_d:

One guest says Albrecht HDTV Forum in Switzerland, http://www.hdtv-forum.ch/technik/blu-ray.html

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Antwort von WoWu:

As host, Mr. Bucket exactly confirmed with simple words what is in the BR-a much more detailed specifications are synonymous:
MPEG2 MP @ HL and MP @ ML
MPEG-4AVCHP@L4.1 and MP@L4.1 and SMPTE VC-1AP @ L3

Since nothing is synonymous of MPEG2 MP @ H14

The official specifications say about 1440 or slightly more precise:
1440x1080 59.94-i, 50-i 16:9 MPEG-4 AVC / SMPTE VC-1 only
1440x1080 24-p, 23,976-p 16:9 MPEG-4 AVC / SMPTE VC-1 only

I think that is clear.

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Antwort von jazzy_d:

Okay, but mpeg2 HDV 1440x1080i or correct need not necessarily MP @ H14, or?

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Antwort von domain:

"cherry pictures" wrote: Thank you for the many responses and contributions. I'm going to get the whole again through the head can go. But for better low light recording s.2000 euros upwards to invest is to me too much. I wanted to spend a maximum of 1000.
Greeting cherry pictures


I believe you have been in your original question a prohibited, but widespread intellectual linkage of Lowlightlichtstärke and AVCHD made. These two things have but sometimes nothing at all to do with each other.
Rather, the luminous intensity of the lens, but especially the size of the sensor chips. And so we move forward for better pictures in Fastdunklen look at each case in a different price category, so as from ¬ 3000th - upwards.
The light sensitivity of our eyes may be adapted after a certain time by a factor of 10,000, if synonymous then mostly only in the SW area.
As far as we are content with the current technology is not yet, but any increase in this area is really the way to Money.

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Antwort von WoWu:

"jazzy_d" wrote: Okay, but mpeg2 HDV 1440x1080i or correct need not necessarily MP @ H14, or?

Of course the H.14 ... because what should otherwise be?

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Antwort von domain:

What is actually the whole nonsense with the low-life optical media, specifically Blu-Ray? (so synonymous said Steve Jobs)
When the camcorder is an ongoing discussion about the mechanics of such adverse tape drives, etc. and run almost exactly the same mechanical function synonymous BD drives.
It is quite clear that this technology has no future, only more efficient Flash memory size in stamps in the future may play a role in is synonymous in the sale and rental of video broadcast field.

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Antwort von jazzy_d:

@ WoWu
In CS3 Media Encoder, I can mpeg2 in 1440x1080, Par 1333, 50p, HP @ HL, cbr 25MB / s output. I say yes is not that the Blu-ray compliant. But basically it.

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Antwort von WoWu:

Then "rotate" You s.Deinem but around 1440, because HL has always square pixels and is defined with 1920.

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