Frage von Masc:
Hello,
I am looking for a editing program, with the one-Dv DV Avis Avis without recalculation / rendering may intersect. The program is designed so only parts of various video clips together to copy the video - and audio data does not change. In addition, a dubbing possible. Which Programs can it? Can the Programs such as eg. Pinnacle Studio, Ulead or Premiere?
Vieln Thanks in advance
Masc
Antwort von StefanS:
Yes, as long as you with only cuts hard work, so no transitions, effects and other similar gadgets, where:
Ulead yes
Pinnacle I do not know
Premiere is to be of
Greeting
Stefan
Antwort von thos-berlin:
Yes,
as much as I know, in all programs is only for securities (including Übergangseffeten) of the newly affected area is rendered, otherwise practically only copied. But does a post dubbing synonymous or synonymous change level as Effect, is thus synonymous - in the latest edition - is rendered.
I do this with the old Pinnacle Liquid 5.62. Had to be said, because all the world only just Pinnacle Studio, Ulead or Premiere called / knows ;-)
Antwort von StefanS:
But does a post dubbing synonymous or synonymous change level as Effect, is thus synonymous - in the latest edition - is rendered. Entitled to claim, as I myself now synonymous again am unsure whether the new picture is calculated, if only the sound is changed.
The behavior that is my Ulead s.den day, is not the more so to say, there is no rendering process in the sense of place that the picture is re-calculated, but just the sound (unpacking, "change" new pack).
If we are concerned with the quality of the image is likely to change because nix. Synonymous and the sound quality remains fairly unimpressed, since it is sound in DV to uncompressed PCM, so that no information processing by compression is lost.
If not, please rectify
Greeting
Stefan
Antwort von Gast 0815:
So my Magix VDL-synonymous, I suspected, where only the sound was changed, to re-render everything. Personally I circumnavigate the problem by getting the first cut along with crossfades execute (the latter sections are recalculated course), and then as a DV-AVI file and then carried out the processing of the soundtrack (s), whose turn as a result of wave file is exported. In a further step I have to share with Vdub or Avi-Mux GUI against the Orginalton worked.
Greetings from Marburg
Antwort von Wiro:
But does a post dubbing synonymous or synonymous change level as Effect, is thus synonymous - in the latest edition - is rendered. That is true, but the picture remains completely unaffected. Audio rendering only takes a few seconds, which did not get with, if not specifically pointed respects.
You can easily try out a video in the timeline set, s.Picture themselves change nothing but the sound of force to manipulate. When exporting (as DV) for example, a 15 min long video in about 3 minutes on the hard drive is - with completely unangestastem Picture.
At least for me is that so. I speak of Appro.
Gruss Wiro
Antwort von Udo Schröer:
Almost all DV editing programs can save new Avi 1:1 (Also Pinnacle Studio). As I said above will only Apertures recalculated. Sound plays at least for DV Avi type 2 does not matter.
Antwort von WoWu:
... So, I will not create a new discussion Zaum break but I have in relation to the "native" cut a search for the manufacturers for my book behind me, has the following result, but first of all on MPEG and related to DV.
According to the manufacturer called "native" does not cut other than that no stranger codec for production of a re-export stream is used.
For all programs (except Thomson Edius 4.5) is in the "native" codec export electricity precisely ... already timing reasons, this is not possible, because synonymous with the intersection between the GOPs (several GoP's are removed), a consistent timing must be generated.
Thomson holds (with) the patent rights for Transcodierverfahren after the so-called MOLE procedures and others are on the list of contents in the newly Macrobröcke packed export electricity.
This is "real" Transcoding and allows, for example, the cuts synonymous different GoP structures.
Obviously here are synonymous transitions and edits an "internal" codec and implemented in native codec then encoded.
It has therefore always a consequence of the generation off from the calculator, for processing through a third party codec then just two generations.
Except for Edius 4.5, which has been found by the procedure described only one new multiplex at PS level it is not true to say that the current output unchanged material corresponds to the entrance.
Since MPEG assessing practices, it can so happen that, depending on the use of encoder software, which estimates different than in the first encoding (the camera).
Since it is also a DV DCT-based system, I go analog of indifference.
So: "native" heist nothing other than that the same codec is used, but not that the material is not re-encoded.
Antwort von Wiro:
Hello,
my understanding of a native interface is somewhat different. Native editing means for me that with the same codec is edited, the synonymous in the source footage is available. Will read:
Source = DV, DV project setting also = natively.
Source = MPEG2, DV project setting = = not natively.
Source MPEG2, project setting = = MPEG2 natively (as for example when MPEGPro plugin is the case).
My understanding is with the export nothing to do. I can very well natively in DV editing, but as a final WMV (MPEG4) or MPEG2 (DVD) output. However, the processing natively.
As always synonymous - in this case a native DV stream, without any recalculation exported, because it is a stream intraframecodierten act. That turns so the initial question.
Gruss Wiro
Antwort von Udo Schröer:
True Wiro,
For DV editing, it is irrelevant where I cut, because everything is full. Therefore, it is not synonymous re-encoded.
in mpg is certainly synonymous within a GOP cut which is a new encoding is necessary. Even there is a Native Transfer for mpg on the PC, but after cutting and re-issue it is no longer natively halt.
Antwort von WoWu:
Hi Wiro ..
... our understanding is consistent with respect to the "native" use and I must certainly admit synonymous to this question only through such "general terms" as "native" or "smart rendering" which actually are totally meaningless, attention has to be . I was then entertained with the producers and really get the confirmation that I had already suspected. (Apple has me even on a small drawing in its brochure, where they clearly say that any one-off and again from the system, even without cutting a generation means .. emphasis on AusSPIELN, ie exporting) - (none Filekopie). Also includes the codec so different packages, which are always "unpacked" and then be with a common, consistent ongoing timing again be packaged. Only in this way is a stream, no preference whether PES or TS ever read.
Now this refers to MPEG first time --- and below AVC course, but DV is basically not so different ... except that there are I-frame and is only a few other tools to apply.
And contrary to your understanding not to the fact that when you export in any case (and always) Encodes will, whether in the native codec, which you obviously can cut synonymous (in DV or DVCPro without even derivative Intermediate) or whether you are in any other codec überführst.
And you've synonymous right when you say that then the handling "native" remains ... but a new encoding and a new multiplex.
And therefore, to return to the initial question to come back, it may well be that the picture looks different than what has been recorded. (Technically, there must be something else even had) .. but I give the practitioners of course quite right that may be irrelevant if it does not.
I went there for my book only really need to clarify what is truth and what is advertising. And the companies say those who have nowhere claimed that the files remain unchanged. They like to talk of "lossless", but leave the interpretations of this terminology, like the consumer, knowing that the only means by this, understand what he wants.
I still have the old MPEG-times a "stress-tape" that the Uni-Brunswick times for Rohde & Schwarz has developed.
This makes it possible to identify each new generation ... This will be the next test and the practical evidence is to be ... but not for a few days.
Antwort von WoWu:
Udo @ ..
.... DV at me now I will not vouch, though I do not see the big difference (as described).
But "native", it is still behind ... because "natively" called nothing other than "in any other codec.
So if you are MPEG2 and MPEG2 restore back off is the following definition of the software manufacturer "NATIVE"
... it just has nothing left with the original encoding algorithms to be done.
And why should the in DV (I-Frame only) otherwise ... how else you get a continuous timing (no jitter) out?
Antwort von Udo Schröer:
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Antwort von WoWu:
Hi Udo ...
There are actually 2 problems:
The first problem is that an average of somewhere so to go somewhere. So that the transitions on a Intermediate render is clear. Just is not sure that Aperture s.Ende of synonymous the last P frame and it is then s.ein (we call it mal) Original I-frame can join. What does this mean? The subsequent GOP must therefore be synonymous to seamlessly edited s.das last frame to be able to connect because all GOPs and always have the same length ... so does the next.
The calculator but merely sets the intersection and the Zwischengerenderte s.and executes the batches in exports. Therefore you can synonymous waiting continues without major work.
With DV, that's true, then this problem is not ... nevertheless, all timing information into the structure to the payload around.
Given that the images indeed merely arithmetic instructions, ie tables of coefficients for the macroblock coordinates, DCT-type for each macroblock, the quantization step size, weighting matrix usw.usw, which was simply an instruction decoder to give what he has to make, it may be that they change in DV without mapping are ... But as I say, not as I would with any vendor for the hand into the fire, because the encoding is easier than a costly Maps ...
Only, you did quite right, which is in I-frame only significantly lighter Therefore I would here regarding DV times open.
There is also another problem that is synonymous not quite forgotten. Such Transcodierverfahren are all patent-protected and therefore takes up so many software vendors prefer to just Ecoder than the license fees to pay. Especially since you really in the first pass synonymous sees no difference. Only the user should not prevent them from knowing how their software works ... and especially so synonymous names like "lossless" or just "native", but synonymous terms such as "transparent" once really insecure, like the sale are used and where the companies like to purchase, that they be interpreted favorably.
But as I have already said, some interested only synonymous, then the picture looks good ... that is synonymous totally fine. But it can not be wrong is to know how it is ...
Antwort von Axel:
The question is a bit academic, because DV, if you want it cut, and now once umkopieren
needs. If a recalculation will take place or only with a new TC-register is copied? I knew not why synonymous only a single pixel in position, Chroma and Luma should be changed. Moreover, everyone made the observation that a backup of the entire movie with only cuts hard not longer than one copy, while rendering more time is needed.
Antwort von WoWu:
... So the time because I would not take as a factor ...
There are quite a lot more pragmatic reasons.
Because the handling of the DV codec is based on the Blue Book. But it (deliberately) the implementation of provisions of how and where the DCT mode is used. This is quite deliberately been made to meet the different companies the opportunity to give their own algorithms to implement the decoder signal which DCT mode is in use. Switching between different DCT modes, but the decoder is a tough time and will inevitably lead to artifact formation.
Because an editing program but now times from the nature of things out in slices and in handling their own (always proprietary) DCT algorithm must insert, but with great probability nothing with the (proprietary) algorithm, the camera has nothing to do, will no software vendor on such experiments in, because s.den transitions (at the switching of the modes) artifacts (not need, but can). The first is as a malfunction on the software vendor back ... Why should he take the risk? He must implement an encoder anyway, so why should he make an extensive mapping, even if its parts are inserted on the basis of their own algorithms from the original material differ .... then maybe a single encoding ... and as I said, when the computer is running in real time anyway when starting off.
And, as I said, each manufacturer has its own algorithms, which, precisely because they are Blue Book deliberately not specified, the unique features of the Manufacturer to be able to guarantee.
You see, there is very good and pragmatic reasons synonymous ... academic and not really ...
Antwort von Christian F:
So Wowu,
You could synonymous write a boring book!
Antwort von Tobias Claren:
What does it mean when you get in the end? If you re-DV as DV-AVI "issues, there is no recalculation, but only a cut instead?
Even with the Movie Maker or import feature in Vista?
I know of as a separate program (such as the name was?) That Mpeg2 videos without recalculation of exempt as preliminary, post-run stores and advertising. This can synonymous s.der speed.
When Movie Maker, I'm not quite sure synonymous / even if it goes fast.
I wanted just a few snippets on the imported substantial shortening.
So for example, 15:40 m to 1m. Saves space.
When you first import it into MM separates still in the clip. The secure computer not afterwards. Since you have to activate the scene detection.
For other format, I have some time to research news, or perhaps the computer program at the same time on Saturdays is one specific or a particular editing program would generally (at issue in the same codec) only where s.Stellen Recalculating effects, crossfades, etc. lie.
Very useful for example in AVCHD. The format is also synonymous format, eg for BlueRay discs.
It would also loss-free processing, but would very much synonymous to save time. Two of the always held high Bemänglern disadvantages which convert into benefits.
It is best but if the same camera in the recording format in which it is synonymous committed after the cut. Of course, only s.manipulierten points are recalculated.
Antwort von Marco:
What it probably went masc, starting when he was questioned ...???
Marco
