Frage von Pete21:
Hello,
I'm looking for a professional HD camera. The camera will all the requirements for presentations on big and television broadcasting in the public meet.
Because you get in price of 15 000 euros umdie something (complete with viewer and Lens)?
Pete
Antwort von jazzy_d:
During the last European Championship saw s.and on Swiss television to a reporter on-the-run. When I saw it correctly, the EX1 with a filmed. It has various live clips directly s.der Cam played (or so it looked any event). And since you so now with Kensington and soon synonymous SanDisk adapters normal 15 MB / s SDHC cards (32GB SanDisk Ultra II) can take, it's already very attractive. By Kensignton get s.der EX1 the flap in the storage medium can not be at the EX3 klappt das ja But soon comes the SanDisk adapter. It is slightly shorter and the flap can then be synonymous s.der EX1 schliessen.
Antwort von marwie:
Hello,
What would you like to film? Does the camera have interchangeable lenses?
eg SonyPMW-EX3 could possibly come into question, but because of the rolling shutter is here limitations, (eg at events where a lot is flashed).
If HDV out of the question, would the SonyHVR ev-S270E or the Canon XL-H1 alternatives.
The "right" shoulder cameras are then used to stop more expensive.
Gruss
Martin
Antwort von WoWu:
For 4:2:2 synonymous like the AG-HPX171 ...
Eighth thing that more and more TV channels only in HD 720p50 material decline, because it is the HDTV standard in Europe is ... (check with your institution, the transfer format)
Antwort von Quadruplex:
that more and more TV channels only in HD 720p50 material decrease I think this is a rumor. The rest of the world working with 1080er formats. As the EBU verquasten engineers thanks to the world of any third party tests are of the opinion that 720p is better, it's - like at the Olympics and European Championships happen - among the public broadcasters in Europe converted.
because it is the HDTV standard in Europe is I hope very much that the ladies and gentlemen engineers again from their ivory tower get out. The decision to 720p is plem-plem. Blu-ray drive with 1080i or p, which have FullHD monitor 1920 x 1080, the rest of the world working with 1080er formats - these extra sausage are the guys probably do not fry too long (may).
check with your institution, the transfer format That is always a good idea.
Antwort von Jogi:
Hello,
What would you like to film? Does the camera have interchangeable lenses?
eg SonyPMW-EX3 could possibly come into question, but because of the rolling shutter is here limitations, (eg at events where a lot is flashed).
If HDV out of the question, would the SonyHVR ev-S270E or the Canon XL-H1 alternatives.
The "right" shoulder cameras are then used to stop more expensive.
Gruss
Martin Many, especially those not working with an EX1, rummage always like to look at the famous Horroszenarien "What it all with the RS effect can happen," indicates. and indeed under normal circumstances are synonymous recording flash thunderstorm no worse than HDV cams with CCD 's, which is sometimes synonymous completely verpixelte flash scenes there. And gerdade these cameras are in the news and events like that and used it constantly flashes!
Antwort von Christian Schmitt:
Hello,
I'm looking for a professional HD camera. The camera will all the requirements for presentations on big and television broadcasting in the public meet.
Because you get in price of 15 000 euros umdie something (complete with viewer and Lens)?
Pete If you do not accidentally towers collapses when you filmed, is one of the prerequisites for the "Austrahlung in public broadcasting", that you are dealing (both technically and artistically) with camera control ...
Then you will come even with less than 15,000 ¬ out.
Scheiße remains synonymous with HD shit.
Antwort von PowerMac:
All of them have quite a bit. 720/50p? That is s.mir over. I only turn 1080th
The EX1 is not a bad idea. But they can sometimes produce shit. As my intestines. Check that the conditions, then turns dramatically, then there is no problem. In the News section, the EX1 but annoying. Surely.
Antwort von Jogi:
that more and more TV channels only in HD 720p50 material decrease
I think this is a rumor. The rest of the world working with 1080er formats. As the EBU verquasten engineers thanks to the world of any third party tests are of the opinion that 720p is better, it's - like at the Olympics and European Championships happen - among the public broadcasters in Europe converted.
because it is the HDTV standard in Europe is
I hope very much that the ladies and gentlemen engineers again from their ivory tower get out. The decision to 720p is plem-plem. Blu-ray drive with 1080i or p, which have FullHD monitor 1920 x 1080, the rest of the world working with 1080er formats - these extra sausage are the guys probably do not fry too long (may).
check with your institution, the transfer format
That is always a good idea. Is that silly, because I am totally your opinion. But the lower costs because of smaller bandwidth for the transmission range, was probably behind the decision unsinngige as a 720p TV standards.
Antwort von Login_vergessen:
eg SonyPMW-EX3 could possibly come into question, but because of the rolling shutter is here limitations, (eg at events where a lot is flashed).
If HDV out of the question, would the SonyHVR ev-S270E or the Canon XL-H1 alternatives.
Gruss
Martin The S270/Z7/Z5 also have CMOS sensors.
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Quadruplex
The rest of the world working with 1080er formats Unfortunately miscalculated, since FOX synonymous in the United States has moved to 720 are synonymous with over 60% of North American productions are no longer "1080" and 1080p25/30 was never an issue and 1080p50/60 is not even standardized .. .
That's it, if you are not beyond the looks.
And as you ARD and ZDF and the Swiss and the Austrians ... and, and, and .... of the decision 720er dissuade you probably want is just synonymous ... but I am sure you will lodge a strong word.
However, RTVA in Andorra has yet to 1080i.
But as a member of the EBU .... I do not know whether the non-synonymous over yet .... but that's it.
For those times you need to audition ... the nod likely for each of your words.
And if you are on China and the Olympics ansprichst then you need time behind the scenes.
AlphaCAM has the quasi-free for China and has carried out of his 19 from Belgium brought 1080i Ü 14 identical cars in China leave. Why?
And of his former 1080i transmission on SES Astra is synonymous nothing remains. Only 4 local cable operators still feed its signal in Belgium ....
2009, ZDF with the Athletics World Championships in Berlin Host Broadcaster, before 2010 in the operation is ... what do you mean, in what format?
But I am quite sure ... You will have direct ...
Antwort von Jürgen F.:
Hi Pete21,
... Because you get the price of 15 000 euros umdie something (complete with viewer and Lens)? ....
That you can forget it. Leg still ¬ 20.000 .- it, then you can help.
And rather Pete21 who already have a tube monitor for 10,000 .- ¬ and now has an LCD with the same quality can be found in advance in the broadcast world, make a little clever.
The answers to your initial question you have not made smarter. Or?
Jürgen F.
PS: If you are interested. I only shoot HD in 720/50p (over the AVC-I/100) codec.
Antwort von Quadruplex:
Unfortunately miscalculated, since FOX synonymous in the United States has moved to 720 Source?
Antwort von WoWu:
Unfortunately miscalculated, since FOX synonymous in the United States has moved to 720
Source? http://alvyray.com/DigitalTV/Network_Plans.htm
Wikipedia. "Fox began broadcasting in HDTV in 720p on September 12, 2004 with a series of NFL football games. The network has ....."
Antwort von Quadruplex:
http://alvyray.com/DigitalTV/Network_Plans.htm Thank you.
Antwort von robbie:
All serious HD productions will be rotated on HDCAM. And the time is now "only" 1080th
Down Computing can be forever.
Antwort von WoWu:
You should always ensure material Rotate what the customer requires ... and these are fewer and fewer who want to and if 1080, then almost synonymous only "p", although the later synonymous in 25 is hardly usable.
We produce almost only in 720 and it is our goal as soon as possible in 4:4:4 (12) to produce. These are at 200 Mbit / s synonymous still manageable amounts of data because 1080p50 should first be specified.
Antwort von Jürgen F.:
@ Robbi
"... All serious HD productions will be rotated on HDCAM."
What?
Jürgen F.
Antwort von WideScreen:
I turn to often in Öffis HDCAM hats and until now no problems with 1080i, where ......
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The Dutch television is planning a conversion of the HDTV broadcast of 720p to 1080i. According to a report of the service sector "Broadband TV News" had viewers during the European Championship of 2008 on the picture quality of 720p broadcasts of "Nederland 1 HD" complains. The cable network operator UPC Ziggo and therefore now proposed a shift of 720p to 1080i and it is suspected that the satellite operator Canal Digitaal also a conversion plan.
The games of EM 2008 in 1080i from the "host broadcaster" of broadcasters and production in countries like the Netherlands, Austria and Switzerland at 720p converted. The decision to 720p based on a Brodacasting Recommendation of the European Union (EBU) and synonymous ARD and ZDF plan their s.2010 HDTV broadcasts in 720p. In contrast, radiates the British BBC, also EBU member, since 2006, HDTV Offer "BBC HD" exclusively in 1080i from.
Source: Cinematographer
Antwort von beiti:
The camera manufacturers are working längt s.1080/50p-Kameras determined. (Does the TO of course not, because he now and what wants to buy today.) Development depends on the camera so fortunately not whether a broadcasting standard already defined. And 1080/50p of time can be high-quality after converting 720/50p and 1080/50i - making it a European universal format makes.
Only when one or native-born of 1080/50p material directly compares the two formats, one is the quality you can really judge, but that converted standard material in the other always looks worse than native, is clearly yes. To that extent you need the action of Dutch viewers are not synonymous overestimate.
However, it must be synonymous to see that the decision in favor of 720/50p strongly oriented s.Sportübertragungen - while feature films, which are always available as a full 24/25, with an underground 1080/25p abused 1080/50i something would be better off.
From forth the necessary data is not much around, 1280x768 with 50 frames need only slightly less bandwidth than 1920x1080 with 50 fields.
With these compromises, each transmitter temporarily live - this seems inevitable, as long as there is neither a standard nor the 1080/50p- ensure the necessary bandwidth there. Ideally, the channels that transmit a lot of sports, and broadcast in 720/50p transmitter with a focus on feature films and / or studio programs have more access to 1080/50i.
Antwort von WoWu:
The camera manufacturers are working längt s.1080/50p-Kameras determined. Unfortunately not, because the standard has not yet been adopted and is still different options in the space.
From forth the necessary data is not much around, 1280x768 with 50 frames need only slightly less bandwidth than 1920x1080 with 50 fields. As can be seen as relative numbers, as a broadcaster, for example, over 4 SES Astra transponder radiates its Programs makes the difference between 1080i25 and 720p50 in a 5-year business plan in a saving of approx. 133 million EUR.
I think that because in every television station controlling has to say, especially since it's not better pictures, but only similar qualities, the man with the higher price to pay.
(And that's only this one .... any transmission cable feed, and further transmission of any comment on "Top")
and transmitters, with a focus on feature films and / or studio programs have more access to 1080/50i. In all investigations has 1080i/25 only at "quiet moderation transfers shown as beneficial.
Antwort von Ernesto:
eg SonyPMW-EX3 could possibly come into question, but because of the rolling shutter is here limitations, (eg at events where a lot is flashed).
Gruss
Martin Here's a video in which the sun by a shrub-like reflections produced lightning and I can not see RS-Effect. Filmed with a small Canon hv-30.
As of 2:57 (time)
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=qjGQtOMHRPY&feature=channel_page&fmt=22
gruß Ernesto
Antwort von beiti:
for a broadcaster, for example, over 4 SES Astra transponder radiates its Programs makes the difference between 1080i25 and 720p50 in a 5-year business plan in a saving of approx. 133 million EUR. The quality comparisons, the ZDF has carried out, based on identical data. One argument against it is 1080i, you can Resolutionauch higher because of the limited data do not cover - that is because the compression then swallows details. Money you could save with 720p but only if it radiates with a lower data rate, and then may compare the quality once again very different.
Purely mathematical one has (in 24 bit color depth) in 1080i, an uncompressed data rate of 148 MB / sec. and 720p in a data rate of 132 MB / sec. Why is there so much more effective 720p should be able to compress, I do not.
Antwort von WoWu:
The quality comparisons, the ZDF has carried out, based on identical data That is not true. The quality comparison based on identical quality parameters. The image quality were both together, as synonymous with the qualities of the current broadcast SD television compared.
They were 3 "quality curve"
The SD curve virtually ends at 14 Mbit / s with approx. 60% "good" and is of the two HD curves at 7 Mbit / s and 9 Mbit / s cut. The HD curves intersect again at about 16 Mbit / s. This means that the quality perception of the two Verfaren at 16 Mbps with ca.85% identical. In the field of broadcasting Relevance 7-10 Mbit / s is between procedures, a difference of about 2 Mbit / s.
Purely mathematical one has (in 24 bit color depth) in 1080i How are you on 24 bit color depth?
What do you mean?
Where do you do with 24 bit HDTV?
Unfortunately we are still at 8-bit 4:2:0
But the differences do you see already in HDV 1 and 2 Despite more than twice as long GoP (15) at HDV2 is HDV 1 (GoP 6) with 17-19 Mbit / s compared to 25 Mbit / s ausgekommen. They are 25-30% more slowly (and by an equally good or even better picture) ....
You can of course do not compare apples with pears.
The progressive method is now much more efficient in data reduction than the interlaced method. The benefits come not only from the reduced image size, but from synonymous, therefore, how efficient are processed imagery.
Antwort von beiti:
But the differences do you see already in HDV 1 and 2 Despite more than twice as long GoP (15) at HDV2 is HDV 1 (GoP 6) with 17-19 Mbit / s compared to 25 Mbit / s ausgekommen. But HDV 1 is only a 25p format, while the 720er-television standard format is 50p.
How are you on 24 bit color depth? That was just an example (theoretically Picture with 3x uncompressed 8 bit - that is virtually the raw). If no preference entirely synonymous, because I was just about size ratio of the uncompressed data sets were, I would have been synonymous the number of pixels per second "can be set in relation.
The progressive method is now much more efficient in data reduction than the interlaced method. Yes, that seems so crucial to its realization. Because of the raw data volume explains the advantage of not 1080/50i to 720/50p.
Antwort von WoWu:
The HDV example was synonymous only meant as an example.
And your calculation, I do not really follow (slight variation), because I come from 3x8bit and 25 or 50 images at levels of 1.24 (1080) and 1.11 (720) Gb / s. But the differences between the values of my bill is consistent in size with your calculations ... and although approximately 10%.
These 10% are in my calculation above synonymous as "worth case" input.
That further savings through the compression result, the IRT / ZDF test showed that the deviations at low bit rates to fall.
The ¬ 133 million. arise from: 4x (SES Astra Tx to 5.55 per Mill ¬ / month) x 5 years ... including the aforementioned 10%.
But even if I (for example, as a small channel, with only one program) only one Mbit / s costs, which are at a price of 150,000 ¬ / Mb / month --- ¬ 1.8 million a year.
And, I repeat, ... not for a better picture, but only for an equivalent picture quality.
You see, the differences arise, unlike of you assumed synonymous calculated from the various formats.
Where there is a sense of 1080i/25 lie?
Antwort von robbie:
Just as input:
"The decision makers of the RTL Group, under the leadership of Jean Lampach XDCAM HD 422 with a video data rate of 50 Mbps and the basic data MPEG-2, Long GOP, as the 1080i HD format exchange fixed. There had been based on extensive testing at technical service of the RTL Group CBC decided for this format, the channel announced in a press release. "
720 provides for a delivery because the delivery will probably bleak. But man must not work for the lord;)
Antwort von WoWu:
You have to just such a format can be synonymous .... Prices at the ASTRA RTL is synonymous not just go around with different fees to different ... (RTL or compress more easily ... in the broadcast quality anyway, no difference .... then adjusts the synonymous with the 50 Mbit again ... but at the CBC, it will not really synonymous me ... Maybe yes RTL decides synonymous HDTV yet, if they really eventually broadcast in MPEG2 broadcast ... with the required 20 Mbit / s. This would then fit to the decision, because otherwise they must be followed to MPEG4 H.264. ...
Na, but at least they come from inferior format and not lose as much as transcode the.
It thus has all its good sides, as you see.
merry Xmas
Antwort von Bernd E.:
RTL Group ... ... .. 422nd XDCAM HD as HD-720 interchange format as a delivery ... looks as well as delivery then gloomy ... Interestingly, in a few weeks ago, the Bayerische Rundfunk synonymous, and therefore a public channel for XDCAM HD 422 as HD production format decided. But at least it is so that the question of a round fernsehtauglichen HD Camera easily answered SonyPDW-700. Similarly equipped, they dominated all of DVCAM on MPEG IMX up to 720p and 1080i - there is then for all entities taste.
Antwort von robbie:
@ Bernd E.:
Right. With the one can not go wrong. And the price is seen by buyers of Sonysynonymous friendly.
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Bernd
The Bayerischer Rundfunk is a vendor decision, not a decision for 1080i format, as synonymous to the Bayerische Rundfunk in the TV broadcast at around 720p and not just in the exchange program within the ARD / ZDF / ORF and SF.
If you look at the reasons once closely, one sees synonymous, that the option CBKZ in the MD01-PDW700 a very important role it has played ... and thus synonymous to the IMX and DVCAM compatibility and the related archival materials (SD), because such decisions relate so synonymous diversify Mazen A.
For the reasons I can perfectly understand those decisions.
As you already said, one advantage of the camera is flat, synonymous so that you can do 720p50. So does that mean is not that the BR within the ART 1080i makes ... and that was it here in the thread, not about what the equipment supplier zuliefert.
The focus of the BR is also on the backward compatibility to their SD material and synonymous, nor in the next 3 years next SD to be able to manufacture. But it is not a decision for 1080i.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... synonymous of Bayerische Rundfunk comes in the TV broadcast at 720p not around ...... As you have said, an advantage of the camera is flat, synonymous so that you can do 720p50. So does that mean is not that the BR within the ART 1080i makes ... and that was it here in the thread ... As for the BR and the broadcast within the ARD is concerned, you've certainly right, there is only one other broadcasters involved in the HD broadcast in 1080i and the other set, the acquisition format is not necessarily with the same broadcast format: Arte HD for example send to my knowledge in 720p, demanded in its "technical requirements" of the suppliers but 1080i material. Against this background, seemed to me to mention a fernsehtauglichen HD Camera in one thread, it was originally due to this issue was not entirely OT ;-)
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Bernd
Since you have absolutely right and in fact reacted so synonymous Sonyseit some time with changes in the portfolio on the date dogmatic decisions of management and integrates all possible synonymous other format (and storage medium).
Hence, probably synonymous Meanwhile, Sony realized that the Beta-SP times, once and for all history.
To that extent, I think it is synonymous for a positive fact that the manufacturer is synonymous all possible market requirements and certainly there is no doubt that it is a good camera is. The question that just makes is whether (and how long) an interlaced method itself will hold, especially against the background synonymous, that is the conversion of 1080i, not 720p after it is quite straightforward and synonymous with the fact that for a future format s.1080
p probably not really be doubted, but of a real time 1080i resolution not to be done, or just under 50% loss of spatial resolution.
ARTE For now, I do not know whether the "temporary" Directive of April 2007 relating to 1080i still valid because they are far ahead of an official decision of the ARD format is published.
It is clear now but once that has been synonymous ARTE 720p in July 2008 and the test ausstraht transponder on Hotbird, on the ARTE (since 2005?) 1080i has already synonymous history.
But as I said before, of course, can be found with such a "eilerlegenden Wollmilchsau" which makes all sorts of formats, always the right format. Pity that most of the features only available as an option in addition to buy are ... then the relative price synonymous again.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
ARTE ... When I do not now whether the "temporary" Directive of April 2007 relating to 1080i still valid ... In the technical requirements from October 2008's is still so much, but with the addition that can not be ruled out that later, once synonymous other format could be acceptable.
Antwort von deti:
The EBU specification "720p50" is only used as an intermediate stage to be seen. In an already published in 2005 EBU statement relating to
