Frage von picasia:
Hello s.das Board
we need help in buying things for a professional or Semiprofesionelle Camera.
On the facts: We are every weekend to shoot this horse and with professional equipment, images are printed out immediately. Many riders want but s.and s.ein video of your ride. While there are Unmassen of people with such a small camcorder to film but that's not the quality that is desired. The videos are in the sale of the horses as advertising and decision-support uses.
Local Conditions: We are on a raised platform at a distance to the individual horses or obstructions of approximately 5 - 80 meters. We often have poor Lichtverhälnisse (floodlit jumping).
Technical Is-Status: We have pictures on the immediate services on the spot over 4 Calculator with memory capacities of up to 2 per Terra Calculator, professional software included as well as various monitors
Objective: We want the video immediately after the ride in absolute top quality in one of the monitors present and provided that the rider wants it, and burn a DVD sale. Furthermore, we want to archive the videos and if possible, as the clips via the Internet access.
Question: 1 What cameras would be for such a use be recommended? (Interchangeable lenses?)
2. What software do we need for the editing?
3. What kind of archiving is required?
4. Is it possible as a total newbie on this medium in the manner described in Art + mastering? (It began so each time)
Thank you in advance for constructive help
Team PICASIA
PS: Answers like synonymous by mail or telephone. We will call back immediately.
Antwort von B.DeKid:
Gude
So it depends on the budget at
A Camera in the price range up to about 4000 Euro reaches there.
CANON XH A1
On changing lenses can actually be waived by each of these popular price category Lens brings enough Angleund Wide Tele (zoom) with around here to be insufficient.
The camera should have firewire directly into the calculator will be played
There are internal or external box or rack cards
Intern goes here of course synonymous with only one Camera
Softwear when working with PC, then Adobe Premiere (OnLocation) Whether extra Softwear accrues to the direct record is only partially the case.
The clips should be with a company logo clip "may be the one already pre-prepared lie there. This should be done in a "networked Calculator happened the synonymous to convert the clips to the DVD standard and it can burn ....."
You must / can be so after each pass the capture interrupt and directly as a raw file to store the other Pc then uses this file, now you can at the same time again through the next capture.
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The aim should be to work
Recording - Editing - Burn / Publish
Split.
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SUBSEQUENT EQUITMENT
Plus good video tripod fluid head ... because your image Still Equitment knows, you know already where you can take ;-) ... a Sachtler, it must not be umbedingt ;-)
Light is synonymous not necessary because the hall / place so light, it can not be your thing.
Filters brauch man nix synonymous to saying that you should know what we can and must.
Mattebox is now not urgently needed, can you put sehn whether you really wants / needs. First, as I said, only necessary to believe without first should be enough.
A Cape Camera Rain Festival is must!
External power connection would be nice, otherwise a couple of Batteries
Sound is so ne thing, because I think that your horse does not want the abhorchen represent wheeze first extra directional micros ... a WindFell on the mic goes as original as the first.
Otherwise, man holding about whether the sound of the speaker, for example directly from the PA mixer abgreift order it directly into the camera or editing PC dining. (XLR connections would have to recommend zumindnest optional)
Did I forget what ...... hmmm
Do not think
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Oh yes
INet movies online ..... because your so yes certainly waiting until your back home since, you can present the clips / cuts will have rendered well at home and post.
To the Camera, here s.besten times in Slashcam Camcorders Comparison kucken area .... whether this is a Sony or a Canon, is in good management actually almost taste thing.
Alla
Wünsch what
MfG
B. DeKid
PS: Sure forgotten what
Transport of the Camera = Peli Case because the equipment is safe ;-)
Antwort von smooth-appeal:
What certainly recommend for you is:
Your buying a good HDV camcorder (like Canon XHA1 of or SonyFX7) and captured on a mobile PC (eg Canon Console, or of Adobe OnLocation)
Or take her directly a camcorder with flash memory (HVX200, etc.) or docked HDD recorder.
If it is normal to tape record the problem do you have the recordings in real time about the need to play, so 60 minutes tape - 60 minutes until it via firewire on a PC is.
The software we use the Adobe Production Suite of one (CS2 and CS3). This allows your project without realizing. What software should you use a belief system and question. Final Cut Studio is synonymous example genial.
For archiving, I s.liebsten tapes and other methods in my opinion superior.
Whether you like the first time as a novice, you can lift it is questionable but if you a little time to take practice should not be a problem.
Antwort von r.p.television:
4. Is it possible as a total newbie on this medium in the manner described in Art + mastering? (It began so each time)
Plain and simple no.
Generally, a processing spot followed with a DVD authoring professionals already stressful, simply because the timing for such hurdles workflows incur no mistake.
Photos and manage both the volume of data as synonymous to the post-production attributed to a fraction. Photos can be quickly processed, printed out or on a CD-R.
Alone, the conversion of AVI `s or an MPEG video clip into a VOB container for proper position DVD playback lasts for optimal codec setting simply too long.
Local Conditions: We are on a raised platform at a distance to the individual horses or obstructions of approximately 5 - 80 meters. We often have poor Lichtverhälnisse (floodlit jumping).
At 80 meters you are already at higher focal lengths dependent. For photos no problem. Since the pedestal is synonymous wiggle. Videos of a shaky ground and with high focal filmed nobody will want. As is the Grieseln of the gains still tend to neglect.
And finally allowed her not forget the budget. Multiply the value of your photo equipment twenty times and you have roughly equivalent (in terms of professional standards) video equipment. That is probably buried in the rabbit.
Antwort von B.DeKid:
....... Multiply the value of your photo equipment twenty times and you have roughly equivalent (in terms of professional standards) video equipment. ...... ;-) Since I would like you but times subtly speak again ;-)))
Nen thick Sigma 500 is approximately EUR 20 000 and ne EOS 1 Ds III around (Body only) for about 6000 .... so I do not think they want via Arri film ;-))
Otherwise, your comparison is quite appropriate ;-)
Greets
B. DeKid
Antwort von r.p.television:
OK There are extreme examples, such as the Sigma, but if you now of the 6000 Euro EOS 1 (Body) multiplizierst twenty times, you're in the region to a HDCAM D20 (Body only synonymous). It is debatable, but that would be roughly the same level.
A digital SLR for 10000 euros is quite professional. For video it is just because in the semi-field.
Even the difference between photo tripods and Videoneigern is immense. Tripods for heavy cameras (yes, we speak of professional cameras) are usually s.1800 euros los and their pain threshold at 4000 euro has not yet been reached.
It is said that one synonymous None similar to the professional level as in the photo area must act. I just wanted to clarify here that major differences exist.
An event can be readily Fotographieren one person alone. Which to make a video and spot yourself in the system, to cut and burn to DVD is a completely different league.
I doubt plain and simply the profitability of such a venture, especially if you really want to use professional equipment. Here was the thread starter of "top quality" of speech. The XH A1 with 1 / 3 inch and a normal Allen Reith floodlights are there certainly is not enough. To da noise-free images to get more of a EX3 better than or equal to 2 / 3 inch.
Antwort von Kino:
Good evening to Magdeburg,
I find the idea of time not so bad, especially with the category of performance synonymous to the video documentation of the necessary purchasing power increases.
In the way of working you will probably need to make some changes. To beautiful / horses for sale photos can look you now from the colorful Oxer, synonymous of good lighting and is positioned so you s.Dressurviereck, the lesson that "strong trot" not just against the running, etc. .. ... .
But the future must complete the square cover. The constant changes in the distance you will be subject to a zoom-out orgy, as your customers less value on the atmosphere in the stadium shots sets, but the rider and his horse to analyze or the performance of the couple wants to document. Particularly in dressage tests in the hall is always a part of the lessons from the horse between Camera and gang are covered.
I personally have a XH-A1 and am very satisfied, but wish not to mention that this forum has been criticized on several occasions that the camera does not zoom and focus at the same time can (as I have not noticed, because I very sparingly with the focal length change while avoiding the recording and I have no need to use the "Vertigo effect" was, I do not synonymous'm classic sports film.) - search!
In the event that your customers, the saddle barely emerged, a video of the Knights want to see, there is no way s.direkten capturing over. On a DVD it must nolens volens wait a bit (so)
Unfortunately, I can not tell you what hardware requirements need to be met in order to simultaneously record, previously recorded clips and view in the background have already purchased "rides" and rendered with DVD-authoriting edited. Will probably have a network solution, of which I have no idea.
Perhaps you tried initially with borrowed cameras for you to identify the appropriate model. Better still would be you could win a freelancer, initially with its own equipment to provide images, and you begin to integrate the video data into your workflow concentrates. Depending on the skill of the cameraman can you synonymous in the sample stage support.
Keep us informed
Good luck wishes
Christoph
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Antwort von B.DeKid:
:-) Rp television
* grins * ... ne was already clear to me ;-)
Your comments regarding the chip size is as a really relevant to sehn.
If you want to know what the so s.Lichtbedingungen measured s.der platform concerns.
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The response of zoom and AF is so ne thing. You can with a (1pc) Camera just "either - or" settings, especially with moving subjects are fixed focus points. Now is a dressage horse, but no past glittering Mopped. ;-)
Even more so the more guys s.Set cameras and more time working and cutting work or live mixer.
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Conclusion Good shots plus photos on a DVD at home right times .... to show more of you can nem Shot 'n Run is not expected.
Will the customer presenting the horse, then he knows so labeled using the DVD where he can report.
;-)
MfG
B. DeKid
Antwort von smooth-appeal:
Is it logical that you do not sde with a perfect result can be presented and the customers still waiting to have their DVD.
With enough budget you can while synonymous s.einem Evening massive burn DVDs but s.die quality production with a decent enough time it will never be approached not rich.
In my estimation likely semi (what a terrible word creation) Camcorders loose enough, if properly operated!
If what I remember of my colleagues already grottige images from various "Marksen" have done ...
This reminds me a suitable quotation On - "A Ferrari is still far from thee no Schumacher"
Antwort von picasia:
@ all
Zurerst many thanks for the many helpful contributions to us and calls.
How can it be otherwise, it will, as always in life probably a compromise between image quality and time effort give. We have, if we understood correctly, the opportunity to provide us with a HD (Panasonic or Sony) or HDV (Canon) Camera to buy (certainly many others ...). It is interesting for us but the whole package. Should be called only with the corresponding fast workflow after the recording, making the whole story for us synonymous sense if the image quality will not be the absolutely perfect.
The last questions are for us so before we make in a given equipment to invest (and probably exactly the wrong choice):
1. How big is the time spent in both camera systems (HD & HDV) is a 2 min. Recording on a calculator to transfer to a PC for TV & anschaubares format then convert it to DVD to burn.
2. What hardware and software is necessary to do this as fast and error-free as possible to be implemented.
Thanks in advance
Team PICASIA
PS: @ movies: If somebody is interested, we'd obviously like next.
Antwort von r.p.television:
It is difficult to recommend a CameraLink.
Because of the workflow and the sensitivity to light, I would actually Sony Cameras S270, Z7, EX1 or EX3 recommend. They are all due to their Exmore CMOS chips very sensitive to light and by writing to CF cards or SxS cards, the recorded material into a NLE transferred.
Concern for your needs, however, is that although all camcorder prima weitwinklig designed, but have no big telephoto, which is riding but is not negligible. Even horses are better at high focal lengths from (behaves so synonymous with cars, etc. above).
The EX3 has a bayonet mount, but really fits the camcorder is only a special wide-angle lens option available. The adapter basically synonymous by anflanschbaren 1 / 2 "optics broadcast from the rest of the field does not fit all 1st and is expected to bring unsatisfactory results.
Alternatively, perhaps the Panasonic HVX500 of others. Here you have several options with the optics and the P2 system.
If, however, more expensive car.
Then there is the Editcam of Ikegami. The expected but your financial scope.
When editing system, I would, depending on the calculator you either Final Cut Pro (Mac) or Adobe Premiere PRO CS3 package in the CS3 Production Suite recommend. As can easily from the timeline to burn a DVD.
Antwort von der_kleine_techniker:
The easiest way would be to get a cam to get the same recording on DVD. Then, the rider immediately after the ride or the horse from his DVD to receive.
Canon DC330 An example would do it.
Antwort von r.p.television:
The easiest way would be to get a cam to get the same recording on DVD. Then, the rider immediately after the ride or the horse from his DVD to receive.
Canon DC330 An example would do it. In principle a good approach if it would give a good camcorder to record on DVD. Here is just scrap for Media Markt & Co have been produced.
Also: Who is like unprocessed & uncut material s.einen customers next?
Antwort von david2:
Here my workflow (I film seminars and sometimes synonymous quickly then need a DVD copy):
Camera (via Firewire directly into the PC) -> MainConcept MPEG Encoder (MPEG Recording and simultaneous conversion) -> start / end cut, title ect. Magix in (Smart Rendering) and specially recorded sound sync. -> Material in prefabricated Encore Project -> burning and copying.
Approx. 1 / 2 h after the end of the first 5 copies ready!
Antwort von picasia:
@ rp-television
1. which means in a "NLE" File write? Sorry, have never heard this term
2. is with the focal certainly true, but, as we have described is certainly a compromise, because of the rapid processing immediately after the recording. The quality of MiniCams the same on DVD, comes to us not in question. That is what all have wants and None.
@ david2
sounds good. Surely you filmed of the seminar for more than 2 minutes. This gives in our case (2 -5 minutes per rider) yes hope .....
We want our question again:
How big is the time cost of an HD Camera and how big of an HDV camera a
2 min. Recording on a calculator to transfer to a PC for TV & anschaubares format to convert it to the customer to perform and then to DVD to burn.
That there are different levels of quality during the recording of both camera types, we have read. If there is no doubt that once again difficult to find a suitable answer. We are already benchmarks ....
Thank you for your reply.
Team PICASIA
Antwort von der_kleine_techniker:
Also: Who is like unprocessed & uncut material s.einen customers next? Mir is already clear, but what we forget in the analysis, the customer.
The question, however: What does the customer? And the next question: What can the customer see how?
Not everyone has HD TV, the lowest common denominator in the consumer sector is still PAL. And that is creating the DVD for PAL systems. Here now HD and use the material after transfer to SD is unnecessary expense. Ok, if a customer says he wants instead of a PAL DVD which is better for Blue-Ray, is what you need to consider ....
The thread creator wants to, the customer can view the records and then decide whether it buys.
My cheap solution would be to the recordings immediately recorded on DVD, and DVD s.einem Pal TV tube condition.
Cutting deleted, DVD authoring deleted, and a PAL TV tube demonstration hides many restrictions, the SD brings.
Antwort von r.p.television:
@ rp-television
1. which means in a "NLE" File write? Sorry, have never heard this term
Sorry. NLE = NonLinearEdit (System) = program editing
We want our question again:
How big is the time cost of an HD Camera and how big of an HDV camera a 2 min. Recording on a calculator to transfer to a PC for TV & anschaubares format to convert it to the customer to perform and then to DVD to burn.
That there are different levels of quality during the recording of both camera types, we have read. If there is no doubt that once again difficult to find a suitable answer. We are already benchmarks ....
Thank you for your reply.
Team PICASIA In typical HDV (ie recording on tape), the transfer time = 2 minutes Material Transfer equal 2 minutes. Of course not to forget the previous rewind or start-up of the frames and start connecting your camcorder or insert the cassette into the VTR (video drive).
At S270, EX1, EX2 and can Z7 HDV or XD CAM HD or CF-Cards SxS memory. There are no values to me before but I guess times for 2 minutes about 15-30 seconds (please correct if I was totally beside).
With only very limited recording times now soooo not profitable, but when times half an hour to be transferred, the time factor here more weight.
Antwort von der_kleine_techniker:
We want our question again:
How big is the time cost of an HD Camera and how big of an HDV camera a 2 min. Recording on a calculator to transfer to a PC for TV & anschaubares format to convert it to the customer to perform and then to DVD to burn.
Video transfer to the calculator 5 min
Video project load and simple cut front and rear without titles 5 min
DVD Author 2 min
DVD burning with finialisieren 4 min
Is it all in one program are
Antwort von r.p.television:
Also: Who is like unprocessed & uncut material s.einen customers next?
Mir is already clear, but what we forget in the analysis, the customer.
The question, however: What does the customer? And the next question: What can the customer see how?
Not everyone has HD TV, the lowest common denominator in the consumer sector is still PAL. And that is creating the DVD for PAL systems. Here now HD and use the material after transfer to SD is unnecessary expense. Ok, if a customer says he wants instead of a PAL DVD which is better for Blue-Ray, is what you need to consider ....
The thread creator wants to, the customer can view the records and then decide whether it buys.
My cheap solution would be to the recordings immediately recorded on DVD, and DVD s.einem Pal TV tube condition.
Cutting deleted, DVD authoring deleted, and a PAL TV tube demonstration hides many restrictions, the SD brings. I have in my name "junk" for existing DVD camcorder I'm not with it, that there are no HD (although here BluRay already available).
The camcorder simply suck nix. And I mean that within the SD standard. These are devices for Grandma and Grandpa always forget how to connect the camcorder s.Television with the quality and satisfaction.
You can nix manual setting, the CCDs are usually 1 / 5 or even 1 / 6 inch and so that as light sensitive as a blind man with sunglasses night.
These are the disposable camcorder the now-time.
Antwort von Johannes:
How would it be so, the camera is on the Y / C connection s.einen dvdrecord closed s.besten would be 2 RECORDER and on the path of the cable of the camera into the recorder of a switch, so you always have a recorder other without cables connect umstopseln can.
Aufgenohmen is yes for this equipment is the only live Finaliesieren takes 2-5min. In this time will be so easy on the 2nd or 3 Device. Of course you always need one or two people behind the DVD's and new rausnehmen purely lay. Most riders are really just a question that they can evaluate their ride and since then we need not synonymous cut, ok vll. a soft / Hide, but the economy is synonymous with bissel exercise with the s.der Aperture Camera. I myself synonymous tournaments such films and cut them, but still at home. Most people I know to sell something synonymous only this cut, so do not like everything on the spot.
Antwort von der_kleine_techniker:
I was just with a colleague from the guild of semi-professionals on the subject entertained.
His position: www.teltec.de
There you can advice, and complete systems to order, which seems in this case is to be recommended. There are certainly many other good providers, but the name was Teltec times here now.
If you are downloading the catalog, we quickly found the professional systems are not cheap.
With HD Camera, HD Recording and cut mobile space is quickly arrived at ¬ 20,000
I believe you have a lot of DVD sale until the system back into the profit zone is arrived.
And then you find that people still prefer the inexpensive "turning myself with DVD-Cam" hold. And then we stood there with the investment, and has no DVD sold.
Antwort von picasia:
We just say thank you that we are not here with profile neuroses and ego overwhelmed, but with really good comments.
@ der_kleine_techniker
You are absolutely right, HD is now with what we want, not in the zone to take profits. So let us turn HD and the HDV technology.
We will make it so as Christoph and BDeKid here have described, we will get a Canon XH A1 or SonyFX7 and start buying. About the associated hardware is a viable workflow for us to reach the finished DVD, we will say a few comments in this board book, a little google and then just begin.
So thank you s.alle
Team PICASIA
PS: We'll get back again and post our configuration and if everything is working (or the stream has gone down).
Antwort von picasia:
@ smooth appeal
sorry, we had completely forgotten you - Thank you!
