Newsmeldung von slashCAM: Test: First Shots with the pilot: Of SonyPMW-EX1 rob - 8 oct 2007 21:56:00 > So now even with the eagerly awaited first shots with the SonyPMW-EX1. To enhance comparability, we have also the same shots with the Panasonic HVX200 rotated, which has been established for some years and thus provides a good comparison. Here we can first approximation s.Wide Angleund Fujinon Lowlight of the EX1 dare, and their cinematic quality in depth to assess staggered. BUT ...
Antwort von deepcode:
DOF looks ever so much more promising! what a difference from 1 / 3''!
At what focal (in 35mm terms) has been around since the DOF shot made?
Antwort von Rideck:
Is it not possible that the over-exposure to the synonymous Picture Lowlightbereich in effect?
mfg Rideck
Antwort von xandix:
Should not really, because the auto exposure does so on.
When Lowlghttest is at 0db, open Aperture asked as to "hand holding".
Do I really love the tester?
Gruss
Antwort von www.e3berlin.de:
verhällt like it because with the Kontrastumpfang? Man has the impression that the EX1 can not keep up with the HVX200 can ...
mfg
Bartneck
Antwort von rob:
Moinmoin,
@ Xxandis: Yes, that's exactly right. Lowlight Both shots were at 0dB and completely open, Aperture has been made. Of course you can never quite be sure that not even an internal, non-interruptible gamma correction works, but even if that were the case, it is available from the Sonyverdammt good.
The main light output, however, really mechanically of the Fujinon lens groups are provided. The Lens is actually a miniaturized "great" Fujinon HD. The Connections for the motorization of course - the need here, but not synonymous, because the Focus in the overall package have been integrated.
Many greetings
Rob
Antwort von rob:
Hello,
@ Bartneck: For over-exposure, we have it with much less tonal values to be done - of course it follows, therefore, synonymous to a lesser extent contrast. Because I would still wait for the series production, to give me a final judgment.
Many greetings
Rob
Antwort von Bernd E.:
Because I would still wait for the series production, to give me a final judgment. I would synonymous, because such a pre-test of a short in my opinion, almost no usable statements brings. When is because with the extensive testing of a model series can be expected?
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von rob:
Hello,
The series has been officially announced for November - when the series actually synonymous to the test then available ... hmmm ... I think Sony may even still not 100% answer - let us surprise you.
Many greetings
Rob
Antwort von Cocoa_Magazin:
In each case the right way 1/2-inch. Unschön for both cameras is the strong artificial edge sharpness. What does the EX because of an initial aperture and up to what goes Focal these?
Antwort von franz:
Ladies and Gentlemen:
For you is the correct exposure CAMERAMAN - not responsible for the Camera!
For electronics, it is virtually impossible to "correct" exposure. The Panasonic is then invoked in other situations exposure problems. Moreover, correct exposure, inter alia, a creative design which means you do not have Japanese engineers should :-)
Antwort von rob:
Hi Franz,
I agree you are quite right.
We had our shots at the choice of either, depending on the light and shadows to expose manual or automatic transmission on the go. We have in the short time available, and to ensure greater comparability in the rapid light-shade shift to reach a decision for the automatic.
Is synonymous clear that we matched manual and bracketing comparison shots in due course, once we have s.Start Series Model.
Many greetings
Rob
Antwort von aroma:
Hello, my questions during the first part seem to be down so here again:
What about the Picture at faster pans or fast moving objects with regard to follow suit?
Is there a slow motion mode (frame rates above 60 fps)?
Thank you and many greetings
Antwort von Legeo:
What about the Picture at faster pans or fast moving objects with regard to follow suit? Should Comparison to HDV much better. Much less artifacts. Not only because of the higher bitrate, but synonymous due to a better-developed codec.
Antwort von Interessent:
For me, the outfit is very plastic term, deceiving since the photos?
And the many buttons placed all around do not give the impression
that they are easily found. Especially if you are already under the
"Altersweitsichtigkeit" suffers constantly and the glasses up and down ....
Antwort von Legeo:
when the baby comes? : D
Antwort von Legeo:
Because now you know whether the Camera "decency" can be remotely controlled? LANC lacks so, the lens control is analogous and can only seem to focus and zoom control. And the many controls almost call for a program similar to the Canon CONSOLE ...
Antwort von Legeo:
Adjust actually synonymous the Batteries of the PD150/170, FX-1 Camera s.diese?
Antwort von josé:
gibts fullscreen pictures of the above frames?
So s.besten would of course fullHD Progressive!
if so can a link here?
thank ever
Antwort von Legeo:
full hd only interlaced?
Antwort von satadioz:
Hello Guest, the camera takes in the following format:
HQ mode: 1920x1080/59.94i/50i/29.97p/25p/23.98p
1280x720/59.94p/50p/29.97p/25p/23.98p
(i = interlaced p = progressive)
Also, there are for the 1080 resolution of a variable frame rate of 1 to 30fps (frames per selunde).
For questions of this type would have already been more help available Bronchüre
Link Here
http://bssc.sel.sony.com/BroadcastandBusiness/markets/10014/docs/xdcamEX_broch.pdf
Antwort von bego1969:
How is this manual Blendenrad?
Is this like in professional cameras Optics s.der or is it like
in almost all of these small cameras (except Canon) Fummel a small wheel below the s.Kamerabody Optics?
And how is the Schärfenrad? Where a decent manual focus? So is synonymous to the extent of the focus wheel like Panasonic used, or is between infinity and macro as with all previous Sony's just a movement of the sharpening wheel of a 1cm? With Panasonic, you can focus very well according to manual, because of one to infinity Macro close ne entire wheel must be made and thus not moving too quickly in hand-held camera shots on the point of hinausdreht.
In the past Sonyist always a millimeter Gefrickel when nachfokusiert ... Would be great if this would get resolved.
BEGO
Antwort von Legeo:
http://www.videoaktiv.de/content/view/1196/78/
I answer my own times ...
According to this article has a decent camera Blendenrad s.der Optics and the focus is finally as synonymous with a Exchangable his optics.
Maybe the testers to write something.
BEGO
Antwort von Legeo:
sorry, first only has a link to the last part of the Tests.Hab now total items found in the fact synonymous here everything was explained in detail. From me from my posts may be happy to be deleted.
BEGO
Antwort von aroma:
@ Satadioz: Thanks for the link to the PDF Werbebrochüre. The brochure has been very helpful to me.
Many greetings
aromatic
Antwort von webrider:
http://images.apple.com/movies/us/hd_gallerygl1800/1080p/tml-ah_m1072p.mov
Antwort von satadioz:
Hello guest, the link here does not exist.
Do you have maybe another link available
gruss satadioz
Antwort von r.p. television:
Did the test today in the computer-video and read the camera really seems to be very vieversprechend.
Unfortunately does the firewire OUT only HDV-compatible mode. So no possibility of life on a laptop or an external hard disk recorder to record when the full 35MBits at Studio wants to use.
Apparently Sonyso wants users s.das loyalty card system and a support by third-party phenomenon.
Dumb.
When I go to a concert recording of 2 hours to record, I need 5 cards with single announced price of 850 Euros.
That is 3400 euros. Because I get an XH A1.
If the prices do not fall dramatically, although some are otherwise the camera really is great, for the Canon models decide.
And those who now argue that you can the data on a laptop and secure the cards during the recording so empty forgets that he needs someone extra, which makes for him. For the one-man operation that is inappropriate.
The first user of this camera will work for the development of better pay for expensive memory cards. At least it seems that the Sony because of its excellent optics and high resolution of 1 / 2 "CCDs of the hardware is much more durable than those on HVX200. I'm excited about the future Ebay Auctions. My dealer has several questions on Inzahlungsnahmen of HVX200 rejected because he fear that they soon will be unsalable. Pixel Shift will soon no longer accept. The subjective impression of sharpness may erstmal voices, but it lacks too many details. Since then synonymous I-frame and 100 Mbit like sparrows with cannons to shoot.
Who is filming scenes or just enough time, the maps should be content to transmit to the Sony really accessible.
Others should be perhaps a little wait. Supposedly soon to be 64 Gbyte cards to come out. The price will be utopian, but the 16 GB cards are then likely to be inflationary cheap.
Antwort von Valentino:
When I go to a concert recording of 2 hours to record, I need 5 cards with single announced price of 850 Euros.
That is 3400 euros. Because I get an XH A1.
Is once again what great here for semi-distributed. Sounds almost as if you have a s.als Panasonic representative wert.
So, a 16GB Express card costs between 135 and 145 Euro, and there are even 32GB models are between 250 and 300 euros to move. 32GB to fit about two hours in HQ mode, where two cards are then to four hours. That you actually have quite enough right?
Quite anbgesehen this is for people like you that long to film the big events HDV shoulder camera Sony Conceived of and not the EX1.
The only SP1080i mode s.Firewire a singal is present is clearly yes. What is it synonymous bring the material to convert HQ? One can but then in the SP record.
According to Sony it is synonymous but a firmware update for the Sony hard drive recorder of this type and then synonymous all other records can Fromate.
Antwort von deepcode:
Time, a few things you really should:
> So, a 16GB Express card costs between 135 and 145 Euro,
> there are even 32GB models are between 250 and 300
> Euro move.
Unfortunately, not with the PMW Standard - memory cards, but the new SxS cards. These are now even - yet - about the price (!) P2. Due to the long GOP format is the camera but much longer to record. Whether compatible third-party SxS cards offer, whether it will power, how the prices develop - all pure speculation.
I'm sure the various solutions as an alternative to appear, only to be cheap is not all.
> Unfortunately does the firewire OUT only HDV-compatible
> Mode. So no possibility of life on a laptop or an external
> Harddisk recorder recorded
Anyway! That is enough but for bread and butter projects. Basically you have a bran synonymous Cheap HDV camcorder can connect, so that would be - but a bit awkward - direct HDV tape recording possible. And for higher SDI projects is available.
Antwort von r.p. television:
Is once again what great here for semi-distributed. Sounds almost as if you have a s.als Panasonic representative wert.
So, a 16GB Express card costs between 135 and 145 Euro, and there are even 32GB models are between 250 and 300 euros to move. 32GB to fit about two hours in HQ mode, where two cards are then to four hours. That you actually have quite enough right?
Quite anbgesehen this is for people like you that long to film the big events HDV shoulder camera Sony Conceived of and not the EX1.
The only SP1080i mode s.Firewire a singal is present is clearly yes. What is it synonymous bring the material to convert HQ? One can but then in the SP record.
According to Sony it is synonymous but a firmware update for the Sony hard drive recorder of this type and then synonymous all other records can Fromate. Before going under the other semi, you should first ask his behind.
My knowledge comes only from the article read the CV, but the information is read thoroughly.
And a Panasonic representative with security, I am not, or do you have my entry is not read correctly. Since you should actually rauslesen that of the HVX200, I do not think too much.
And if I have a Camera growth should / would / should, of course, I only movies in the best mode. And not in HDV. Anything else would botch. And there is at least until the firmware update (of which I knew nothing zugebenerweise now) no alternative to the SxS cards. But that said update times already sounds promising, because it would solve the whole problem. 1600 Euros for the Diskrekorder are acceptable as the price for the 4 cards I have calculated. And tothe four cards fit in 1920x1080 mode 35MBits not even whole 2 hours on it. So rather 4050, - Euro.
Antwort von PowerMac:
Valentino, you are sadly mistaken. The camera works really only with the SxS cards, which currently even more expensive than P2 cards.
Antwort von deepcode:
[quote = "rp television"]
And if I have a Camera growth should / would / should, of course, I only movies in the best mode. And not in HDV. Totally wrong attitude, if you just budgeted for example, a typical trade show or Industriejob do. There is only one: HDV, s.Kunde tapes or cut, done. And if he wants more quality then he must also pay the complicated workflow. If he does not, because greed is Geil. There is nothing to offer.
For scenic work and home should be the 2 x 8 GB with a total of about 50 minutes so loose enough. ;)
Antwort von r.p. television:
If you only staged or lowbudget-oriented works, I'll give synonymous in every case. But the camera is synonymous of great interest to the somewhat gehobeneren claim. But if the firmware update with the correct and the Sony Connect lets Diskrekorder, eh is nothing more to that (assuming the combination works well, what the former Firestone store solutions are not always the case).
4050, - Euro halt sound very much, if it's just a matter of 2 hours of the highest quality capture. Some will perhaps synonymous with the image quality generally not willing to compromise on budget or not.
Antwort von r.p. television:
Sorry. Do me bogged.
The cards fit 16Gbyte yes 50min, not 25th
The change of course, something synonymous.
Then you need only two 16er and one 8.
'm Slipping into the line and tried it without computing over.
Each of the Euro 7000, should therefore not be long about it. The Halbzoll-Optics is worth it.
Antwort von equinoxe:
I do not know me after all this is an act of desperation. The Sony is probably never ssdas Picture Panasonic ran a comment. Okay lowlight, as I do I have to Lichtlein. The depth of conviction is not necessarily synonymous. Sonyhat now 2 years longer rumgeschraubt, and now a semi-finished product! Well let's see what we have come.
Antwort von HeikoS:
I do not know me after all this is an act of desperation. The Sony is probably never ssdas Picture Panasonic ran a comment. How are you to this realization?
Antwort von etv:
... a pretty good review - then think I kursierenden all doubts should be removed - there's the latest computer video 6 / 2007
Knackescharf and ultrageil should be the thing, the only shortcoming of the pre-tested was a jerky zoom - da geh 'ich aber mal assume that the Cam is not so in the shop will be synonymous and this problem will be eliminated.
Regards
etv
Antwort von equinoxe:
"Sony will probably never ssdas Picture ran a Panasonic come."
So the Panasonic image is simply a two visors, the darker and warmer color, that's all
I've the brighter PMW exposed pictures taken with two handles and s.Photoshop hingetrimmt:
- Brightness -50
- Warm filter 85: 25%
Result:
zum Bild www.deepcode-one.com/downloads/slash/PMW_HVXlook_test.jpg
I think with 4 Cine Gamma Curves and probably tons of additional parameters (speculation) it should not be a problem so that a coherent film look to create. Of course, not the official look of the sky. Moreover, I can 35 MBit VBR mpeg2 is certainly a lot better in the post after edit and graden without visible artifacts.
On the SonyProsumerbereich powerful is probably the pressure and now have something really good will.
Antwort von r.p. television:
I do not know me after all this is an act of desperation. The Sony is probably never ssdas Picture Panasonic ran a comment. Okay lowlight, as I do I have to Lichtlein. The depth of conviction is not necessarily synonymous. Sonyhat now 2 years longer rumgeschraubt, and now a semi-finished product! Well let's see what we have come. I believe that Panasonic will soon more desperate ....
Antwort von satadioz:
It is clear that this new object of desire (PMW-EX1) will be better than all the other cams below 10000 ¬. The rich price of the camera says it all. Why is the headache for small scheiss and even worse, the headaches for a pre-graphic model.
Antwort von PowerMac:
WTF?
Antwort von equinoxe:
WTF? what
Antwort von Arrimen:
Do right, so why make it big
Antwort von deepcode:
bhphotovideo has started pricing online:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/520761-REG/Sony_PMWEX1_PMW_EX1_XDCAM_EX_SxS.html
$ 7000
I'm curious what a rip off price of Sony Then again here in Europe is made .. : D
Perhaps it is because through times of great import to euro exchange rate benefit. Are converted 1:1.42 = 4950 ~ ~ EUR net or 5900 EUR gross. This approximately 80 EUR shipping.
In this cam there is finally no extra EU version as it looks, each can all frame rates. :)
Someone knows how high the EU import - Inch for camcorder or how to calculate?
Antwort von AndyZZ:
Na import VAT is 19% inches, I do not know when the cameras are probably synonymous with at least 10%. Sin together have 29% of the purchase price at the time of exceeding the limit geutschen. That is: you pay at least proportionally EUSt and Inch synonymous for packaging and transportation.
So, now constructed after times, whether it is still worthwhile!
Antwort von Bernd E.:
I'm curious what a rip off price of Sony Then again here in Europe is ... The first concrete indication of prices, of which I learned was, including two 8GB cards at around 5750 euros net.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von deepcode:
well yes that would be fair right times, is expected to import $ price + shipping + 10% Tax + second card (bh supplies, I think only a card with 8 GB)
4950 + 50 ship = 5000 * 1.1 = ~ 5500 Tax
ie diezweite 8 gig card then supplement EUR 250, which is very ok, to German and EU Contacts warranty.
Can not nag.
No Comparison with the outrageous 50% of the price gap with the Panasonic HVX 200 allowed!
Antwort von PowerMac:
But that is synonymous for a dairy girls. You have to be the base price of the EX1 in the U.S. (excluding taxes), take. This you can with roughly a factor of 0.7 in euro conversions. At this price, you must then still 19 percent tax break. These prices then you can compare.
Antwort von PowerMac:
Obviously the price with taxes in the U.S. and same in Germany.
Antwort von deepcode:
UST interested me as an entrepreneur is not that investment goods will be directly deducted yes. Always compare prices with net!
Sure, as a private man, the 19% VAT in any case it is no preference whether the dealer on the spot or as an import-UST.
Antwort von Kameramann:
There is sometimes a cost of German dealers:
https: / / www.sales-of-media.de/de/shop/110/721531.html #
Antwort von PowerMac:
Was hat:
http://www.mpec-gmbh.de/dv/_detailpage/kameras/camcorder/3344/sony_pmw-ex1.html
Antwort von deepcode:
on6200 vs. 5500th. or some EUR 700, 10%, is still heavily & we must stop to decide whether a Europe 2 year warranty is worth the extra cost. Some act is yes still synonymous.
But I'm sure with a little patience, the Cam ~ 3 a.m. to 4 p.m. months later in Ebay for over 4500 net.
Antwort von Login_vergessen:
Cam Fine, I must say. As far as I'm still a little confused is how I use these in the existing Camera SD TV world can mount. SD resolution so there is not option, only the internal downconvert via SD-SDI, component or composite ... So must downconvert if I want to work in filebasiert NLE done.
With an HVX200, I could in the material at least internal Nofall yes on tape "down play" ...
Antwort von deepcode:
SD is, of course, no problem - you simply cut in HD content will give a top quality from SD.
Apart from this, of course, pity the SD Sonyanscheinend no option for recording offers. But as always Sonyim Prosumerbereich features omitted, I am glad that this time it seems only this is .. ;)
Antwort von satadioz:
Hello, it was that with the PMW-EX1 in HQ1080 modus no quick motion function ferfügbar, but only in the HQ720?
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... with the PMW-EX1 in HQ1080 modus no quick motion function ferfügbar, but only in the HQ720? Quote from the technical data:
Slow / Quick Motion with 1-60p at 720 or 1-30p in 1080
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von satadioz:
Thank you for the very important info, because this Feautures one of the main arguments is an EX-1 to buy. It is so, in artickel of filmtvvideo has written the slow motion and qick for HQ1080 mode was not available.
Gruss satadioz
PS: on the website of filmtvvideo, there is the best test of the pilot there is.
Link:
http://www.film-tv-video.de/testdetails + M5544909206a.html? tx_ttnews & [day] = 23 & tx_ttnews [month] = 10 & tx_ttnews [year] = 2007
You must enroll in order to see this artickel
Antwort von w. mayer:
I can not help but I think in the
resolution images which should show the yes
the new sony canon or superior?
(1440 to 1920 pixel)
why then do I see in the image with the new sony less?
Antwort von Gabriel Hyden:
who s.einer price class over 1000 euro or auto exposure, which he should not make such tests. the golden light, which is missing in sony probably leads to the presets that I have my one can not simply stand up a camera, they are automatic and then write a test I'm sorry. manual white balance, manual exposure etc would be a must have, and the hide to be quite frank is never good, you lose even a little s.qualität.
but as always synonymous, am eager to test the series version.
Antwort von gr:
Incidentally, in the current cameraman is also a good read about the article cam be found.
regards
gr
Antwort von urmel:
If the iris ring (almost) infinitely variable aperture possible?
In my exclusive recording situations I have the Aperture manual permanently regulate. Q1.6 The f11 Exposure to steps such as the VX2100 are much too big and you can see the significant adjust brightness changes. Significantly smaller steps, or even adjustable aperture regulation would be perfect!
