Frage von DennisL:
Hello,
I hope this is the right area for my questions.
I will soon be available for the first time a friendly tape concerts filmed, however, there are still some questions open.
How do I s.besten the sound on? With a recording device s.mixer or with the camera itself and what kind of recording equipment would I need?
What do I have in general observed at concerts?
schönen gruß,
Dennis
Antwort von B.DeKid:
Gude
What you need to consider .... the film you can, and None for the Camera rennt;-p
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I would sound once each with the Cam directly record once and separately from the mixer tap via MD or DAT Flashcard based devices.
One could, of course, synonymous when Cam XLR has this directly from the mixer to operate.
But the rule is a separate recording and the Cam itself enough so könte you to mix both recordings as clear and Atmo Sound Music Sound to have.
MfG
B. DeKid
Antwort von DennisL:
alles klar, vielen dank.
what does MD DAT?
Antwort von B.DeKid:
= MD MiniDisc
DAT = Digital Audio Tape
Antwort von DennisL:
= MD MiniDisc
DAT = Digital Audio Tape Everything was already clear gegoogelt but found nothing really suitable, you can vllt me. when I say such a device can get?
Antwort von Chezus:
A very good tip I have for you: do not you think!
In a live recording you fight with so many things that can foul you everything. I am speaking from experience as real!
I have until now more than 40 concerts filmed and every time it was something which has not folded.
Currently I am sitting grad s.einem major Project.
Festival with 10 bands, each with 4 cameras filmed (2 Mobile, 1 shot, 1 drums), sound recording to HD24 (each track individually), interviews, etc., etc.
The only thing that really has become a totally clean, the sound recording;)
If you still want to do:
- At least 3 cameras, which I would no longer start
- Complete and 2 movable
- Recording with at least 2 media (the media should be a fail)
- Talk with you before starting the mixer!
- You talk synonymous with the lighting, he is a total of everything a little brighter and illuminate at forgo strong red
- Pick a good place to film
- Take the sake of simplicity, the entire concert without interruption to do it later when you sync easier
- If you're several cameramen (I advise you that at least you can not do alone), then you say before s.WAS her aufnehmt
Not that s.Ende setting on each of the singers it is
to the sound recording: the best option (in my opinion) is with an HD24.
Often, certain tracks (eg bass) mixed louder, otherwise they are not on the boxes to be placed. If anything on a track, you may therefore happen that the entire recording is very quiet except for the bass.
On my current project is the sound of virtually burn to CD and sell it, he has become clean.
Good s.Festival mixers and even better mixed in the studio;))
Antwort von B.DeKid:
eg Ebay quite cheap
MfG
B. DeKid
Antwort von DennisL:
So I would work with 2 cameras in one shot and a mobile. Have yet garkeine experiences in the field, and am still a newcomer in the field events and concerts.
Antwort von Clemensch:
2 cameras go synonymous in an emergency! I finally made synonymous.
Have two songs with the tape off the film. I have a cam with weitwinkel to light traverse bound (so you can see the audience and stage).
The 2 songs were played twice (natürlch not consecutive).
With the second cam I have in the audience all over the back with a tripod on a pedestal stood. 3 hours later at the 2nd time I went on stage.
After holding several still shots from the audience made to cut between.
Sound has been synonymous to a 2nd mixer with multi-split and recording device recorded.
All involved were very satisfied! So it goes in an emergency synonymous alone and with 2 cams, with a little skill and experience.
Antwort von joerg-emil:
Hi dennis,
but please write me, what this tape is for, so how many people and what instruments (eg drums is a problem).
How big is the space? (for small rooms is often the drums or the piano, not on the mixer / amplifier, because they are loud enough anyway). Moreover, it would be helpful to know, with what camera, and with what format you want to record (HDV).
What should then happen with the recording? (DVD, internet, ...?)
I think they are better tips possible.
Gruss Jörg-Emil
Antwort von thos-berlin:
The above expenses are no limits. For the first time it is synonymous to a certain "learned" account must be - it is not everything is working fine.
My opinion:
The sound from the mixer preferably on a data mitaufzeichnen. The first time is sufficient (in a good hall mix) is a stereo recording. (Must with the technician before talk).
This can be readily via sound card in a laptop / PC. The software can use the free tool Audacity to use as a recording format in the same video standard 48 kHz sample rate, unless the sound is not nachberbeitet, rich 16 bit, with a planned post like more. The post then in the audio program and make it suitable for use on the video as 48 kHz / 16 bit WAV output.
If you are not familiar with the laptop, just a cassette recorder can be run. Digitle is not quality, is synonymous but "only" backup. (Or a second laptop).
Will of the concert SOWISO recorded a CD, then you can vewenden the synonymous. (Since then a suitable atmosphere synonymous and all his tools on it)
A fixed camera and a mobile is clear. All participating s.Project cameras during the recording should not be stopped (pause button forbidden!)
If the concert is longer than the tape / recording media allow, then, ideally in a concert break all the media or change (if it does not break right there) s.einer suitable place one after another, so that no overall gap in the record requires. The timing of the organizer is not vertrfauen and a reserve for "hintendran" with account. (If the Events says that in the last 60 minutes and you use a 60-minute tape, then it can happen that climax in the middle of concert encores and just concluded with the recording is. Cassettes here a change to make is crap.
For the care of the stationary camera if necessary, must be a person to change tapes are available, because the other cameraman miterledigen can not (unless in a proper concert intermission).
One can clearly see that a third camera would be helpful, since the change in break still two different pictures would be. The camera creeps free people should be a concerted gebrieft behavior, so that not both almost the same Picture deliver. (In a mobile and a stationary camera is not quite so).
The sound of a camera as you will need as the atmosphere and the applause of Emil Jörg-mentioned instruments, which do not have mixer amplifier and go (everything is not verabeitet from the mixer and recorded).
In the post / on average it can still pre-that the separate sound recording and video sound is not exactly the same length and equally fast. But this is no problem and should be addressed when the time comes. (Matching thread there were already here)
The editing program must set up several video - and audio tracks verarbeitne can, ideally a multi-camera editing allows. It goes without synonymous, but is laborious.
If you do this more often then you can have a sound multi-track recording to reflect. Major need to contact the sound engineer, because he needs you every single channel pre-fader ", so that you later make a complete Neumischung can. To do this you should be two separate Atmo-Mikros mitaufzeichen. If your recording opportunity that is offering 16 channels, then the tape for only 14 available. If you have free channels you can use the main mix well with recording.
If the good is, you do not need anything new mix ... The cost for a complete sound Neubearbeitung should not be underestimated.
Did you in your sound recording inputs as possible, fewer sources are available, then with the sound engineer to draw up a plan.
Antwort von chrisl:
Besides all the technical things, one more tip:
On indoor clothes ensured.
It always looks silly, when the cameraman on the scene is shot down and this will then neon yellow!
Antwort von Frank B.:
I already have several concerts in the classical field and recorded all that I want to confirm what Chezus next above written.
With two cameras, you should not even begin. At least 3 better 4 or 5 These should preferably by cameramen who bring a little experience to be filled. Since I am, I suppose, like you, am amateur, come mostly for financial reasons, not things such as radio link between the cameramen or time code synchronization with the host cameras in question. So important are precise agreements between the cameramen (s.besten, it makes you a couple of distinctive hand-made signs to each other you know what the other is to record).
In the worst case, it may happen that the cameramen incompatible with each other to deliver the material as it happened to me once.
I once asked a friend with a confirmation with his camera to film. This said to be synonymous. On the day of confirmation, but it turned out that one of his friend the job transfer, I do not know. There was collusion to organizational reasons, too late, so I was hoping that at least half of the type of idea was shooting. It was obviously not so. Running the camera was stopped and restarted. The blurred images, Gespäche, which he led with recorded, this included everything in 16:9, but in my Project was 4:3. It was a single Pleite.
Since I have really learned (fortunately only in a figurative sense) is paid.
For emergency, you could Camera, which delivers total synonymous unmanned leave. It can be synonymous but well, if these out and again the picture changes, especially if you only use 3 cameras have.
You should always live recordings with the worst expected. There is no concert recording, which runs perfectly.
As part of my concert recordings was the greatest failure that happened to me that a blackout of all the data disk devices that run in parallel, I read (Audio - and video equipment) were lost. Fortunately, I had an additional DAT tape recorder and run into the cameras.
Because, as I said, hardly an amateur when time code synchronization between the cameras is possible, I absolutely synonymous rate to go through all cameras to be, not to screen or off position changes. The points can be useless in the post-production well cut. Advantage is that the various cameras on the timeline must synchronize only once. This goes very well on a strong audio pulse, which does not necessarily s.Anfang behind. Digital cameras usually run over several hours synchronously without must be readjusted. If the individual camera shots in the timeline synchronously about each other, can the unusable parts of the traces rausschneiden. But only in the editing mode, after which the slides of the following clips prevented. This works with any editing program is slightly different. You need this for your well-editing program.
Regarding the Synchonität of audio devices I have with DAT and hard disk recorders (möglst. at 48kHz) the best, with MD the worst experiences. DAT recorder and hard drive to run the cameras synchronously over 2 hours. MD was with me after an hour about 6 seconds time delay, so that had to be nachsynchronisiert. I have a similar behavior of some pocket recorders like the Zoom H2 is one. Of course, I have no experience with it.
Much more is there to note that I do not write anything more. It would probably blow up the framework.
Important possibly connect again, or at all with the Achssprung and with the power to employ locally.
Otherwise their brains harder and with the premonition get to work, that Murphy's Law will happen.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murphys_Gesetz
Frank
Antwort von DennisL:
Thank you for your reply .. many of friendly s.Anfang tape is mainly a matter of a small section of their concert together to get them it is not a replay of the whole concert but more around a small video by the man gets a glimpse.
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