Frage von RocknRoyal:
Hi,
after I get this forum as a silent listener and have enjoyed my time but synonymous tips may have and thanks to you with the HV20 at the time of my first Canon camcorder bought, I've recently (3 months) with the PMW-EX3 "of Sonyeinen but more sophisticated camcorder purchased in this breath and a MAC and Final Cut Studio 2 and now the football training of my son the first tests (spontaneous) and made a little edit and you wanted to time my first little test and short video show ...
http://www.vimeo.com/1942202
As is synonymous to me like a question - two regional clubs have inquired after the little test video have seen, if I was a club I could shoot video and wanted to question whether you think that I will have something for the first time might require a small fee , because that is synonymous with work and the acquisition of the entire equipment was synonymous not just cheap.
In January I get the rest another Kamerakran and Dolly system - I've already mentioned times, I would like Wedding Filmer, of which I am certainly still far away - I do with the matter just yet so familiar, but it's just my target.
Netter Gruss,
Alex.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... I'd like to be ... wedding filmer In this case you should be in the Forum of www.hochzeits-video.s.anmelden: There are very nice, helpful and above all professional wedding and event film from German-speaking countries gathered.
Antwort von RocknRoyal:
... I'd like to be ... wedding filmer
In this case you should be in the Forum of www.hochzeits-video.s.anmelden: There are very nice, helpful and above all professional wedding and event film from German-speaking countries gathered. Hi,
I thank you very much for the tip and would be just the right times too * g * - you can tell what the clip? ...
Netter Gruss,
Alex.
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
In the colored version is available on the yellow jersey as overexposed points without details / drawings. Did the camera not Zebra indicator function for recording such defects before the recording to exclude?
Antwort von Johannes:
The nominal times I do a test video ...
after the other threads here in much rumgeeiert was so bad I had expected when I read the title. But I find it real toll.
The colored version, I have lack of time is not viewed. Mir is the sometimes very large depth blur attention can now be achieved through the focal affected, but how big are the chips of the Camera 1 / 3 or greater?
Antwort von RocknRoyal:
In the colored version is available on the yellow jersey as overexposed points without details / drawings. Did the camera not Zebra indicator function for recording such defects before the recording to exclude? But in fact,
... but since I knew this is not only - I have just quite so spontaneously to the EX3 umgesattelt and no previous experience synonymous, but you can synonymous with such a camera to learn without the need of it is to Camera * Camera must increase g *... So this will be yet, I am sure! How does it so beautifully .... "You learn from mistakes" (I hope * g *)
Gruss
Alexander.
Antwort von gunman:
Hello,
Thanks for the video test. I have it only in black and white views and do not think it is done badly.
However, I see strong Abschafttungen s.den image pages? Did you maybe a false sun visor or used?
Gunman
Antwort von Debonnaire:
Hi Alex!
Respect for your "test" video! Exactly what constitutes ichs me if someone was "first" recruits! Since what is shown, as you can see what! :-) Some of you know certainly be something my dissenting views in two other threads of Bubi here ... ;-)
Anway, to YOUR Shooting (bw and color):
Basically quite attractively done with style, ideas and creative camera work! Also, the post-production can be clearly seen! I liked the black version as a little better, because I always a fan of SW bin! Synonymous But the colored version has what for themselves. Why are you not a combination, by some sw settings are different and then again in Color? If you can find moments where such a style change makes sense, it can look cool! - Or a kontrastgesteigerte but desaturated color version, in the style of "Twentyfour"?
For my taste, you have something too often the actors heads (unmotivated, wants hot, creative for no apparent reason) are truncated.
Likewise, I always really liked the blurs! If the setting completely blurred starts without a Depth with front, middle and background to have, what are the emerging focus groping along, then worked as an attitude rather than a deliberate error style element.
The vignetting does not bother me, on the contrary! If they wanted or, as mentioned above, due to a false sun formed? - Are somehow so ne Art Vintage Looki!
What is the reason the film in a cinemascop-pean, extreme widescreen presentation, instead of the 16:9 Full? - I often find it a pity when one (valuable!) Screen pixels (little profitably) squandered, because we are now with the 16:9-format something very pleasing in the hands (as opposed to the previous 4:3, but rather because seemed honest)!
If you then clubs the image can make films (I hit you with the thumb!), You must be careful with the use of paid music, so beautiful it is synonymous! - If you are in the wedding or event Filmerei embarking want, I can see the purchase of
www.bluevalley.de collection highly recommended! Not the hottest music on God's earth, admittedly, but what of it practical for almost all cases and situations and of course GEMA-free.
In any case, you require a fee if you want the club produce films! First you must test expenditures and investments, and secondly does definitely a professional when someone with YOUR equipment is synonymous for "business" and not only "hobby" can look like, he demanded a fee!
Hold us up to date! :-)
Antwort von wontuwontu:
I like the film, if I understand it synonymous but always sad to find, as some are emotional well-known film by "buying". In your case, but synonymous, I see some very good settings, just spitting in the boy s.Torpfosten, which have most unfortunately failed.
Otherwise, you hang in my opinion, too often in the same setting, or cut several times in the same setting size pure (Halbtotal). Beautifully shot resolutive here would be the same scene, which means you show a scene at the beginning of a Middle and then cut to a shot, or Halbtotale. Admittedly, this is when football is not exactly easy, when you look at the place or s.Spielfeldrand stands. Nevertheless, it brings it more in the Dynamics section and belongs in any case to an ordinary work of them.
The EX3 is indeed a very good camera, because you have absolutely correctly accessed. I think a decent tripod, you should synonymous consider to hire a Sachtler (SB12 and SB15), although cost is not fit but synonymous. The numerous Ruckler in the film should be the past.
One question I have. You say you want a dolly and a crane purchase, of what exactly are you talking about? Something like (sprinter, Twister, Crane100) costs 20k each locker if you want what ordinary. Is the wedding industry as a very profitable business, that they justify such investment? Or did you just won the lottery;)?
Otherwise thick praise of me and then next on the right track, you are in any case.
Antwort von JMS Productions:
synonymous ... but when I'm always sad to find, as some are emotional well-known film by "buying". This music was familiar to me, but I have not just a film from which it originates. Can someone tell me how it is and where it originated?
Otherwise, I found your first work really succeeded. I found it next synonymous not bad that you s.der music other "uses"'ve synonymous if the could be dangerous, but it gave it a thoughtful, emotionally-charged atmosphere :-)
Weiter so!
Antwort von RocknRoyal:
Hi,
First, I thank you very much for the almost entirely positive criticism, of course, you can hear something like this and builds naturally on me, everything else would be a lie.
Among the questions,
regarding Kamerakran and synonymous Dolly system - since I myself have not exactly viewed the market, but the fact is, in January is appropriate Money freely, which allowed me to purchase, without the child and I tapered at Ebay should understand * g *.. . but 20K per purchase of dolly and crane are synonymous not with me inside, I really would like a maximum of ¬ 15,000 for both and hope to spend so synonymous added. Film pill sells for example, so every now and then discarded systems, which is still a good service. Maybe because I find ...
For Music,
I would just like me really very high quality music archives up, but know little synonymous sources. In addition to this and I will be out and back but synonymous to known commercial music back when, for example, a bride and groom happy to have their music recorded would like - because I must see how the then with the running Gema etc, so that here in the legal field moves.
All in all times to my projects
I want to be happy in the area make their own movies with weddings and other sectors, especially because of my connections in the music scene synonymous music videos (I maintain a rapper scene sizes and know how Eko Fresh, solid, etc. personally) - that I will be synonymous still looking for people who to me with projects s.dieses trust. Currently I'm in the search space Karlsruhe an appropriate office ... because I already in the field of commercial art for almost 7 years'm my own boss and this is all from the local coordinate 4 walls, I would like for the good of my family, so to speak, outsource * g *... I also think that it is not on the duration of a "One Men Show" can stay, so I prefer to search people for the individual points, which are synonymous understand Specialist (light, post, etc..)
The Equigment exists and is still expanding, so are my current total of 40,000 ¬ still available, but it must be synonymous everything planned, because I want to burn the money so not synonymous and the other mistakes made, one must not a second time after making.
I have a PMW-EX3, have a Mac Pro with 2 x 30 inch Cinema Display, have the appropriate software and also the main budget for other purchases and so should have an equipment, which for most projects barely holds desired (I hope)
I know that sounds all very naive and such a zuzulegen equipment, without actually possessing the knowledge to use it, but yes I am looking for hopefully a pool of competent partners - what the budget is concerned and that you spend so much money - only so much, I'm happy by circumstances to come and other people buy cars in their Sammelwahn, collect stamps or costly to three times a year on vacation - so there is always and everywhere extreme views that you do not always understand * g *. ..
Thanks for the tips concerning "Halbtotale / cuts" etc ...
Oh, and
the music is the theme of "Pearl Harbor" as this one or the other was interested.
Netter Gruss,
Alexander.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
Dolly and crane ... ... a maximum of ¬ 15,000 for both ... Thus you will come out. What cranes, we have incidentally very good experience with products of www.abc-products.de made. Thought should be given, however, whether the lending is not useful as a purchase, but you know s.besten how often you want to use it - at weddings, it seldom practicable.
Antwort von PowerMac:
) (...) That I will be synonymous still looking for people who are with me s.dieses trust projects. Currently I'm in the search space Karlsruhe an appropriate office ... because I already in the field of advertising graphics almost 7 years since my own (...) Oho, a new competitor in Karlsruhe. Maybe something we could work together.
Antwort von RocknRoyal:
Dolly and crane ... ... a maximum of ¬ 15,000 for both ...
Thus you will come out. What cranes, we have incidentally very good experience with products of www.abc-products.de made. Thought should be given, however, whether the lending is not useful as a purchase, but you know s.besten how often you want to use it - at weddings, it seldom practicable. Hello,
.... clear, any effect if he loses s.Wirkung number is used, but when you consider that you often between 150 - 400 ¬ (the latter was told to Freytag Media in Karlsruhe) on the counter may be set, then make their own purchase, perhaps already one can sense and the whole then yes possibly even synonymous to offer for rental. Sure, I think such a crane makes for weddings have already sense in my eyes, but such a monster, which would surely deter most customers simply and the atmosphere in a church certainly does not enhance, but perhaps before the church, etc! First and foremost, a crane in my eyes not only stable, but primarily highly mobile, which means (faster construction, lightweight design as possible, etc) because otherwise it will be probably sometime just another one deaf, because you do not just spontaneously rather can build. Freytag Media, was in the sales room Kamerakran times a structure made of aluminum and all seemed easy for me to build and just the whole "light" and thus practical.
But such a crane is intended more for the targeted music videos - because as I said, I have really high-quality contacts in this area and the rapper (Sharief - if you look at Youtube, you can find videos with him and Eko Fresh, for example) as this was Weekend at Baba Saad, a rapper from the label "eristguterJunge", which belongs Bushido etc and I could certainly quality with a lot of contracts in this area s.Land drag and these are no small air locks, which were already the subjects of speech have come. ..
A dolly system should also be very mobile use, because I'm just pretty excited of liquid shot, as it is very easy prof. acts ... certainly is synonymous Steadycam an interesting, but something must first be learned synonymous * g *... clearly as you can hide anywhere masses s.Money just synonymous and, as mentioned, burn.
@ Power Mac,
Of course - I am, as I said, be very open and my goals are simply not implemented, since one could perhaps look at a beer to chat, because you just a few minutes of my live (Waghäusel correctly ?)
Oh, and
as a competitor, I would not describe at the moment and come garnicht ;-) That's just like with everything, just because you might have the means, have not the ability and experience - which uses me a Ferrari in the garage when I have no license ;-) As you therefore have to get your daily bread is not worried about * g *... I am currently the flapless Ferrari driver in the bag so to speak ;-)
Netter Gruss,
Alexander.
Antwort von wontuwontu:
Dolly and crane ... ... a maximum of ¬ 15,000 for both ...
Thus you will come out. What cranes, we have incidentally very good experience with products of www.abc-products.de made. Thought should be given, however, whether the lending is not useful as a purchase, but you know s.besten how often you want to use it - at weddings, it seldom practicable. From ABC, I would advise against the Crane100 or the Crane120 are certainly not a bad device, but the materials used and the processing of the remote head come at the same price not long s.die quality of a Panther crane (Pixie, Foxy) ran. This is synonymous, that the engineers of ABC / Movie Tech Panther almost all have learned. If you want to save money, I would like to have times of the devices Glidecam chart, which sell worldwide Leichtkranbereich most devices.
The units of pill movie and I know they would be for your purposes probably synonymous rich, but used equipment from a rental almost always used as much and that it is synonymous with the use of senses. If you are on a jib and renounce ne var.Bazooka can you get for under 10k Panther for a demo unit (Twister), so do you better than with any Sprinter / Argus.
However, I wonder one thing: neither a dolly or a crane you can operate alone, for both you need at least 2 very capable, experienced people. As you write yourself, you're fairly new in the business of lending, therefore there would not hurt synonymous times. If the 40k but have gone, then hau rein. Since I fall spontaneously synonymous but a few other things as a grip;)
We let our production company synonymous Twister with a jib or will shortly table a Foxy, we are 100km of Karlsruhe away. Possibly. we may as synonymous times together. This will save you perhaps a misjudgment.
Antwort von PowerMac:
(...) @ Power Mac,
Of course - I am, as I said, be very open and my goals are simply not implemented, since one could perhaps look at a beer to chat, because you just a few minutes of my live (Waghäusel correctly ?) (...) I live in the city of Karlsruhe. Waghäusel is our company address. The place is a cut s.beiden locations. Why not? I wanted to many times to local film clubs go, but never had it done. Simply e-mail.
Antwort von RocknRoyal:
However, I wonder one thing: neither a dolly or a crane you can operate alone, for both you need at least 2 very capable, experienced people. As you write yourself, you're fairly new in the business of lending, therefore there would not hurt synonymous times. If the 40k but have gone, then hau rein. Since I fall spontaneously synonymous but a few other things as a grip;)
As I said,
this is my budget prepared when the "sometime" over the time limits beyond ok - but you should be so synonymous in the first place and limit 40K sounds like a lot of money, but as I already have experienced, that is very relative - because equipment, Camera etc can really make a lot of money and there are so many things that are tempting and if one wants to possess everything you will be known as the poor church mouse, that's already ...
Advantages which I now read in conjunction with the remaining budget to see at least the times I have "a" camera synonymous for the coming days are expected to prepare a long fun, I have a high quality MAC, with FCP2 already good software etc and that is therefore already All times are no longer starting from the budget ...
I am obviously not the devil come out and get rid of money so all investments should already be well planned in advance and fully informed and "borrow" is always an option, solely to products of the one for the purchase of interest, just a Picture making, how to require the handling, etc. ..
True
I've currently no 2-3 assistants to me in dealing with crane etc could help. Only my younger brother who is currently with my old Canon HV20 of his first steps, is interested and would like to join me, but something is for young people to enjoy with caution, because today he finds it great, tomorrow is "snow of yesterday. "
But as I said,
I've glücklichweise the funds and there are certainly some really talented people who perhaps currently as a freelancer and do their thing which is for a structured framework with offices etc would be enthusiastic. The goal is just - you need for each item truly "capable" people and that can be synonymous to the newcomers etc, for "creativity" is in my eyes anyway, or learn not to force out there and it's definitely a few people with the necessary enthusiasm. These parallels, at least I see my real mission field (web design), there are so many gifted talents (especially in the Russian area, the kids are 16 years old and just incredibly well ...) you have to wait and the church in the village and can look how to design everything, but I'm just the sort of good things is feasible.
Netter Gruss,
Alex
@ Power Mac,
I am very happy to be back and will you write an e-mail times .....
Antwort von canti:
Hello!
I think the clip is very beautiful.
For criticism, unfortunately, lacks the expertise to me;)
Especially great to find the slow motion. What would interest me now is whether something synonymous with a cheap camcorder westentlich (yes had to come) can be accomplished, such as the HV20, or whether this is just such a high quality device needs.
Antwort von Lutz Dieckmann:
Hi,
So I think the S / W video just cool. I USDI EX1/EX3 school and do not want a complete analysis to make 3 pages. Sometimes I feel short clips as simple and simply beautiful.
And this is so. Weiter so.
Many greetings
Lutz
Antwort von RocknRoyal:
Hi,
So I think the S / W video just cool. I USDI EX1/EX3 school and do not want a complete analysis to make 3 pages. Sometimes I feel short clips as simple and simply beautiful.
And this is so. Weiter so.
Many greetings
Lutz Hello and thank you Lutz,
regarding your training s.der EX1/EX3 - because I probably would at times send you, because I wanted to tackle anyway, a rough or synonymous deeper Introduction ...
Grüßle
Alex and thank you again, my video, the toll in the majority of such positive feedback triggers would be lying if I said the cold makes me ... thank you!
Antwort von robbie:
grip on the topic again: I believe after http://www.g-f-m.net/ top in the industry, and at least the dolly is its cost! the crane is already as expensive ...
abc products to come to me price / performance is not really top before ...
Antwort von JonasB:
Hi
I did so out of boredom and interest s.der EX3 read a bit about myself ... hab sowas times to do, but still too young iwie and film is more my thing, if you know what I mean. Where you have a budget of 40,000 if I may ask? Oh and a tip so I poste eig ... would be an acquisition of a Steadycamsystem you not much more efficient. It startled, as beautiful as you've said, people do not s.and is clearly easy transport, as a dolly system ... I'm not a professional in the field, was just an idea;)
Mfg
Jonas
Antwort von B.DeKid:
@ Jonas
The use of a Steadycam is always harder than a dolly to use - or a Steadycam can only do some shoots.
A dolly should always be used when a moving camera and wants to have the space it allows.
Furthermore, the work with Steadycam quite tiring - as you can in one shot times and must then turn the system back the first test.
MfG
B. DeKid
Antwort von Miveo:
@ Jonas
The use of a Steadycam is always harder than a dolly to use - or a Steadycam can only do some shoots.
Furthermore, the work with Steadycam quite tiring - as you can in one shot times and must then turn the system back the first test.
Working with a Steadycam certainly requires some practice, but it is certainly faster "mounted" as a dolly and much more versatile applications.
I have been working for four years with various Steadycam, my current system fits so well that I will loose two hours rotate.
Gruss ... Miveo
Antwort von B.DeKid:
AHA
Well then you'll probably synonymous, the difference between steady and dolly shots, or know?
And if thou wilt have the opportunity you have to steady things and use the dolly for the property or use?
We take time as an example a side shot of the walkers will be - will you now with the steady or accompany with a dolly?
You see apart from the circumstances of place, actual project regarding what I want to make and how clean the result will be - will probably be differences between Dolly and Steadycam need.
And yes I know not but I could not 2 hrs with my Steadycam filming - so perhaps I should more often in the gym and build more upper body instead of 60km run and 200 n.Fahren in the week, which I `he would be fit, who knows .
MFG
B. DeKid
Antwort von Miveo:
AHA
Well then you'll probably synonymous, the difference between steady and dolly shots, or know?
And if thou wilt have the opportunity you have to steady things and use the dolly for the property or use?
We take time as an example a side shot of the walkers will be - will you now with the steady or accompany with a dolly?
And yes I know not but I could not 2 hrs with my film Steadycam -Yes I know the possibilities of the two systems.
-I use my dolly little more, because the Steadycam easier and faster operational.
-When the stroller beautifully brave move on flat ground (no desire to compensate), it allows the location and it is not possible as the next 6-8Meter goes, then maybe my dolly for use again. You seem keen to lay it sideways to be filmed: Optimal for the steady, I would then slowly in a front-or rear-view ... Dolly ade :-)))
Steadycam-What do you use? If the system is sitting, one must not be bodybuilders.
Gruss ... Miveo
Antwort von B.DeKid:
Steady Drive Delta - is perhaps not so "professional" but with a few modifications to use very well
Cam, I am using Canon XL1S - synonymous not so "professional" but at least for my purposes perfectly usable
Movies - times when I filme - mostly action sports like skateboarding, surfing, snowboarding, MTB, MX & SM, BMX and inline skaters
(Otherwise animals often stop at Ansitz, from filming of Tripod)
A real dolly I have not - I use a mountain Kettcar with Tripod PowerClamp recordings (some with underground rails wenns only go straight)
I use often no Steadycam but inliners and the Camera s.Henkel taken. (Almost exclusively s.nutzen WW)
...........
Yes I know the benefits of a Steadycam synonymous and know they appreciate that.
But Bzgl the post of s.Jonas gings I was rather synonymous times the "negative" points to define a Steadycam.
Often, the people expect a Steadycam them "all" freedoms ... with Dolly (especially in combination with a crane) is still one of the top devices aka accessories show in the film business .... (From my point of view sees times out)
Alla but I think we understand right now and I am another Steadycam operator here in the forum to welcome.
MfG
B. DeKid
PS: Yes, but most bodybuilders can not hurt, but I could never Body Build and maintaining the condition Fritze, fits already ;-)
Antwort von Miveo:
Steady Drive Delta - is perhaps not so "professional" but with a few modifications to use very well
HA! The steady Runsteady of Delta Drive, I had synonymous times, as you say: A few modifications and some muscle fat (which I missed), the part to the "Beast" ... but I would have as a professional device.
For wedding filmmakers (not only for the) I can see more easily the Steadycam as the optimal means for moving images with smooth in most soils in churches synonymous a tripod dolly should do quite well.
I hope you have my answers are not in the wrong neck caught, was not my intention to you to penalties.
Greetings from one to another steady Heini Miveo ...
Antwort von B.DeKid:
Nee, I did not get the wrong neck. ;-)
Jup regarding closer sets, limited space and so half revolutions faxes I'll give you quite a Steadycam really good.
..............
There are always questions on Steadycam and operations - so if you information, preview material, or other tips for the boys and girls, you would spitze .... that your experience exceeds my Steadycam Bzgl provides far.
Alla we look forward to your help in the forum;-P
MfG
B. DeKid
