Frage von Lana:
Nabend @ ll,
in April next year, I fly for a week to New York. It is the first time for me and I want as much as possible, with take home (with the exception of clothing, etc.). So I considered myself a camcorder to buy. It is mainly for the holidays, festivals or s.and s.mal of the basketball shooting games serve.
Where, of course, only the question: Which is right for me?
As the price I have so s.200-250 ¬ thought. You see, my budget is not much since, but I hope I still have a good camcorder can be found. So I made to look a little un gegoogelt.
As a result, I then SonyDCR get 51-HC. If the price probably top his and his best for beginners.
Now I would like to your opinion on the subject to hear!
What is good for the SonyDCR-HC 51? DV tapes are good? So I tend to be rather a hard drive ...
What other camcorder can you recommend me?
Can I work at the price at all acceptable Videos expect?
I hope you can help me. Thank you in advance!
Lg Lana
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... New York ... would like as much as possible to take home with ... So I considered myself a camcorder to buy ... Just to understand: Do you here a camcorder up, to the New York trip in order to film, or did you before, the first camcorder to buy over there? If the latter, you should get the NTSC issue in mind.
Antwort von Lana:
Sorry for the incomprehensible description;)
I like me now (in Germany) NEN camcorder and then buy them.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... like me ... in Germany ... NEN camcorder to buy and then take him .... Good, that is synonymous the better solution. Unfortunately I know with these camcorders are not made, but since you can determine someone else here to help.
Antwort von peha:
Hi,
a much better choice would be the Panasonic NV-GS 330 for approx. 350, - Euro - in my opinion the minimum for a reasonably usable device.
In my view there is nothing against the use of DV tapes - rather the opposite: cheap, easy to archive, available everywhere.
Gruss
Peter
Antwort von Lana:
Thanks for the help. I will look at us a few shops and FOLDING me informed.
The Panasonic NV-GS 330 sounds quite good. If yes, in the test reports (for the price class) quite well.
What is it with the DCR-HC 62 E from? If there is something about my budget, but very good!
Should I use the DCR-HC 51, or even forget to bring closer Choice? I could in fact for almost 100 ¬ NEW get ...
As written above, it is mainly for the holidays and family celebrate. I expect no wonder things, but would like to usable results on the television to see;)
Again thanks for the help!
Antwort von Jan:
Hello,
one should first of all the recording systems are compared to the devices rauszufiltern. The advantages and disadvantages of DVD, Flash, MiniDV and HDD camcorders are often mentioned. For your price range you could take ...
DVD is dead anyway - if you look next year - because not much will come ... I would anyway only for short periods of recording, None for computer processing and a direct view without cable in DVD Player & Recorder recommended.
1. SonyDVD 110
2. I savings
3. .....
Flash memory is the future. But for many filmmakers who have no desire for big cards, or their laptop does not want to lug, not the best choice, since ca 1h footage in MPEG2 - 4 GB is needed. But for this very robust and low repair rate.
1. Canon FS 100
2. JVC GZ MS 100 & 90
3. Samsung MX 20 (using MPEG 4, so less volume of starch)
HDD camcorders are for people who do not "old technology" wish, but a device with much needed space. All current devices are synonymous HDD hybrid cameras, so that the Micro SD Card (JVC), SD card (Panasonic) and the Memory Stick Pro Duo for Filmaufzeichung the synonymous use it.
1. JVC MG 330 & 331
2. Panasonic H 40 (at my number 2, because they have relatively weak light is poor, and has no filter threads)
3. SonySR 35 - probably one of the worst cameras, the last time Sonydie has produced (one reason is synonymous Bonsai their chip of 1 / 8 "!)
MiniDV - a favorite here in the forum format because of the long-term archiving and the video editing (simple choice of a program), but synonymous weaknesses (drive out and herspulen etc)
1. Panasonic GS 230 (hard to get, who has been in the class a normal accessory shoe, microphone input and headphone output ...)
2. SonyHC 62 (yes in the DV is a rarity nowadays)
3. Panasonic GS 90 (yes again weak weak light and no filter thread, but bombs continued stability and the best wide-angle (identical with H 40)
2. JVC 818 & 825 - very good but less expensive camcorder without Viewfinder
For the good you have 330 GS 100 ¬ nochmal drauf basket.
VG
Jan
Antwort von Lana:
So, after 2 months I meld again.
Have at Christmas time several camcorder in hand and had completely lost the overview.
I priced now at about 300 ¬ determined. But I just do not know what your camcorder: (
I was already super helpful and I hope that you now synonymous me again, you can help:)
The camcorder should have written, mostly for the New York holiday. I would like as much as possible s.bewegten with pictures to take home.
Photo function do I need it or not, I little value.
Lr Could someone be so kind and advise me a camcorder!
The NV-GS 330 already irritates me, but he is synonymous of the best in its price class?
Thank you in advance for the help again!
Antwort von Jan:
Your choice is even more difficult, since in March & April with new models all the companies made.
Your question (which is equivalent to) whether the new models are better, you can no laboratory tests are not 100% answer.
Yes, for about 300-399 ¬, the GS 330 is undoubtedly the best camera on the market, but synonymous halt a model based on the old television standard based (Resolution720x576).
One of the best high-resolution (and quite good cameras) is the Panasonic SD 9, and soon it will be synonymous, but they no longer exist.
But common sense is rare, Sonyhat with the SR 35 is the most sold initial disk camera in 2008, strangely, it is often failed the test pictures were synonymous not convince (Video Active )....
The man is just a habit, buys only what he knows, or seems to know.
Who Mini DV tape with no problem and no more than this amount would like to spend, go with the GS 330 look good.
VG
Jan
Antwort von Lana:
Thanks again for the help.
If now the new camcorder will soon come, the prices for the old or rather fall?
Currently I have NEN tube TV. When I look at the NV-GS330 would pick, then I would have problems when playing s.Television?
In all cases, is getting the NV-GS330 on top.
What are in comparison to the SDR-S9 or Canon FS 100 (apart from price) from?
All searching is a fairly flat;)
Werd still wait 1-2 weeks and then I probably finally buy NEN camcorder!
Antwort von tillbaer:
Hi Lana,
You see even the more you know the less you know. This is most so. A Panasonic GS330, I would personally synonymous for me quite nicely, but with such a trip but then I would prefer the small SDHC cards. Thus, my choice fell on the Canon FS100. Even if I am missing terribly disturbed filter threads. In Youtube there are actually a instructions on how to create a little too much UV filter in front of the lens can stick (because you need instructions?). This gives you an objective protection synonymous and synonymous resulting in a filter thread. But who wants to have glue on his new camera up?
So you really only need to decide whether you want to MiniDV (GS330 then) or card (then FS100).
HDD would be unsafe to me personally, if the camcorder is stolen, then I have neither cards nor tapes to bring home with.
Do not be mad. It is important that you ever did this ne Camera and everything important to hold it. Denk s.genügend Batteries and storage medium (tape or cards) and everything will be alright.
Greetings - Til.
Antwort von Videofactory:
So, I was last July synonymous in New York and I've since bought HDR SR12.
Have it converted 600 euros saved.
You must however make sure that you have a PAL model and buy it, at least for Sony, in Europe no longer have warranty.
The best you kuck
Antwort von Lana:
Hi Lana,
You see even the more you know the less you know. This is most so. A Panasonic GS330, I would personally synonymous for me quite nicely, but with such a trip but then I would prefer the small SDHC cards. Thus, my choice fell on the Canon FS100. Even if I am missing terribly disturbed filter threads. In Youtube there are actually a instructions on how to create a little too much UV filter in front of the lens can stick (because you need instructions?). This gives you an objective protection synonymous and synonymous resulting in a filter thread. But who wants to have glue on his new camera up?
So you really only need to decide whether you want to MiniDV (GS330 then) or card (then FS100).
HDD would be unsafe to me personally, if the camcorder is stolen, then I have neither cards nor tapes to bring home with.
Do not be mad. It is important that you ever did this ne Camera and everything important to hold it. Denk s.genügend Batteries and storage medium (tape or cards) and everything will be alright.
Greetings - Til. How to read a post, makes me really happy;) Thank you!
I will be times the day I go out and the parts in more detail.
If one still has tips, ever so forth:)
Thank you in advance!
LG Lana
Antwort von Jan:
Each camera can be easily connected s.einen television, no preference whether DVD, Flash, HDD or MiniDV Camera on the familiar red, yellow, white RCA plugs. Each model delivers with this cable, even the HD cameras (which it does not really need, because their signal from the yellow RCA not nearly can be reproduced).
The GS 330 goes even one step next, and provides an S-video cable with which the quality of the separate luminance and Farbsignalübertragung increased. If your old television with S-video input or S-Video via Scart fully supported, then you have a better picture.
The new models are slightly more expensive, encouraged old models are out. It is possible that a supplier is an old model rausschmeisst cheap (because it has excess inventory) - but is not often the case. The FS 100 eh not because Canon Germany and the blue red FS 100 since mid-December can not deliver!
You'll find s.Ende always + and - points from the two models, for example, GS 330 has better color by 3 CCD, a very good optical stabilizer - FS 100 digital only, 3-megapixel photos compared to 1 million pixels, a number of big Batteries synonymous of favorable external - FS 100 is used only to BP 808 (which is synonymous copy-protected) is a larger battery in the camera is not pure, ie without current 2 hour film will be difficult with 890 mAh (Canon BP 808). And then all the advantages of Mini DV (archiving, DV Editing, the medium price)
This is the cassette system s.Aussterben, they are more vulnerable synonymous ....
Here are the Tesbilder of active video in daylight, low light and artificial light:
VAD FS 100 Test Image VAD GS 330 test image In the Slashcamdatenbank allowed synonymous what you find.
VG
Jan
Antwort von Lana:
Was with us today in Promarkt times and was able to keep an eye on the NV-GS330 throw.
Is very good in the hand and I have no problems with just one hand to reach all the buttons. Unfortunately I could only in the Camera Off mode, but that she saw quite good;)
It cost 379 ¬ there. The cheapest deals in Inet are about 320 ¬.
But I do a "distant friend" had Promarkt in the works, I ask him Percentage times: D I think rather less on it, but cost you nothing to ask ...
If I am lucky, I am soon the proud owner of that part:)
Antwort von Lana:
Do me the NV-GS 330 yesterday fetched:)
Have only made a few recordings, so I have not so much to say. But until now, everything is IO!
Next problem is that I need ne firewire card.
Could me because someone has a friend or what do I need to purchase the look out for? And how much would it cost roughly?
Habe mir gestern erstmal 2 cassette of Panasonic fetched (AY-DVM60YE). cost ¬ 4 per cartridge. What speaks against the tapes?
And I wanted to be next to me still NEN replacement battery here. Have read here that all the CGR and CGA-DU Batteries for NV-GS 330 are ok. Unfortunately, I have not really seen what. Therefore the question of where and what battery I could order on the Internet? (Amazon?)
Are already so many questions, but yes, I've hardly synonymous clue: (
I hope you can help me anyway?
Many thanks in advance
Antwort von tillbaer:
Hi Lana,
Firewire my first card was from Saturn and was kindly provided with Ulead Video Studio 10 gebundelt, although not even stand on the packaging. It was, I think of Hama. How could I use my SD videos really good cut. But it is no preference, what a Firewire PCI card you buy for your PC. The cost to between 20 and 30, - ¬.
The Panasonic tapes are really good! Stay where s.besten. Frequent changing of the tape camcorder places like eh not so much.
With the additional battery, I would not buy the original battery that is not worth it. Just after any compatible Batteries Amazon or ebay. I had my NV-GS60 synonymous these (incidentally, are compatible with your batteries) and have no difference with the original battery is noticed.
Greetings - Til.
Antwort von Jan:
Na da hast du aber lucky, because the Panasonic GS 330 is sold out (and not come back). Only the Ring photo chain is replaced by the last units. Many dealers have already burned.
The GS 90 is synonymous soon dead - that was it then with Panasonic MiniDV cameras, JVC is now at synonymous even layer in the pit.
There would be only Samsung, Canon Sonyand ...
The GS 330 is synonymous USB Highspeedfähig, so in an emergency could be with her in best quality via USB (included) 2.0 HS dub (software) - Firewire is but use of foreign programs preferable - because they often USB connection is not accepted.
External batteries are like sand s.Meer, look after CGA DU 12.14 or 21 ....
VG
Jan
Antwort von Lana:
I once again;)
Using Firewire as far as everything works out. Videos can be transferred quickly and synonymous to quality is super. Now I have come to the next problem:
Currently I only have Windows Movie Maker (which is not so much as is ...). The last time for me yet because I've only once the videos are only cut with music and would like to paint.
The problem is, unfortunately, that the videos in WMM Jerkiness. That is, if I download a video of the Camera via the supplied software (motion something ... bin grad on the job and can not watch) on the PC games, there has been a super quality. Only jerky in WMM, so I find it hard to do can not handle.
Yesterday I did the videos for "Windows" played on the PC. Score: Videos are still acceptable, but not in the quality as when mitgeliferten software. But the file I could just edit in WMM!
Why is that? Maybe I am missing codecs? Or was I right with my premonition that my PC is too weak?
Would like to hold very good quality and does not edit the "worse" ...
If the problem can not be solved, lad ich mir mal runter another program (sony vegas, etc.). Although I am actually quite satisfied with the WMM was: (
I am concerned mainly about the first cut and music.
Thanks again in advance:)
Antwort von tillbaer:
Hi Lana,
how weak / old is because your calculator. So normally it should be absolutely no problem, normal SD video synonymous to weaker systems to be cut - without bucking. And surely you are missing codecs not synonymous.
It is important that you watch the videos via firewire directly into the editing software aufnimmst, directly from the software to capture. I rather think that if you have any preferences in the software are inappropriate.
Nevertheless, I would you like to be a beginner version of a program known cut rates, for example, Edius Neo, Corel Video Studio, Magix, ...
The are all so between 60 and 100 ¬. But it's worth it.
As always synonymous, this problem is solvable, just with the settings of the software trial & error.
Sowas rarely fits the first time. You've now mainly 'nen good camcorder and New York can come :-)
Greetings - Til.
