Frage von ViperRT10:
Hi Folks
Report of the've read and Panasonic kenn mich nicht aus ...
someone can do for me entcrypten ...
Antwort von High_Tension:
Wikipedia can do
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-Thirds- Standard
Antwort von ViperRT10:
long talk (read) short
better Resolutionbei smaller dimensions --- correct?
yes there seems a long time, the Micro is now available in the coming ...
but what does this mean for the market?
synonymous camcorder?
Antwort von tommyb:
better Resolutionbei smaller dimensions --- correct? No, otherwise all would be mini-Knipsen better than any DSLR-Full.
It is simply a new standard of sophisticated than anything from the consumer area. In principle, a bridge between the digital SLR cameras and the small consumer devices with Lächelerkennung.
Here, however, many features of the different classes.
Antwort von Jan:
We can all safely read on Wikipedia (which I have not done).
Four Thirds has not really enforced - it may no longer be synonymous with Micro wait times.
Olympus, the company probably the most devices in the system sold, has very good ideas for this system.
The main reason for the construction, was a telecentric construction, which means that light will be exactly the same angle through the lens rear s.Sensor arrive. Then there is synonymous the 4 / 3 "sensor to vote - a perfect unit. Other systems do not have this accuracy.
When film was not a big problem earlier today, it is dangerous at a time when another pixel is addressed, simply because the lens the light is not as forward as desired. Olympus promises to have a perfect "light transmission" to the sensor and better image pixels not skip.
Even cheap Olympus optics (17-45 excluded) have very good marks in distortion and vignetting. The cameras of the system are quite small and synonymous as Olympus, despite plastic (eg 420) very well made (eg Comparison to a Canon EOS 1000), many lenses (if not almost all) are synonymous splashproof.
Crop factor in the Four Thirds is times 2 - so that it can be expected soon - an advantage synonymous.
Where there is light, there is but synonymous Shadow, Four Thirds cameras often have a small dark viewfinders - that is not a prism, such as middle DSLR, the noise values s.ISO 400 (Thanks to the small 4 / 3 "sensor) are not synonymous with those of a APS-C Canon & Nikon comparable. Olympus has improved in the discipline but very well increase.
Olympus has with her 3 AF measuring while a very fast AF, in certain situations (portrait photographs) is the system which only attaches in the middle, not always as confident as a 9 field AF measurement.
But as has already been written, the system is eh History - Micro comes.
At first I was horrified when the mirror is Micro "rausgebaut" - he is but for a good SLR viewfinders required! Only to the optics and cameras even smaller, cheaper and faster to build them? Viewfinder has so many customers so far only to a purchase of a DSLR can think.
First came the fear that we get such a camera viewfinder pixligen Bridge into the new Micro models, but Panasonic has surprised us.
Panasonic uses the new Micro Camera (without a mirror - no more single-lens reflex camera), a high-resolution viewfinders of camcorders Panasonic Broadcast - many users felt this as a very decent viewfinders.
Let's see what Olympus for the system publishes.
The numbers at Olympus were not particularly good (I had another fear Minolta), in 2007, Olympus was ranked 11! Photo of manufacturers has declined - it is so powerful caved.
Worldwide Olympus would have around 4% market share in home country Japan, they are very popular. Time to wait what happens.
VG
Jan
Antwort von camworks:
the format is not history, it is precisely the link between e-520 and E-3 (the profit model) in the development.
Antwort von Jan:
That is correct, but with the future, it will disappear. We discuss this in a few years, look if it still exists Four Thirds.
But I believe the new Micro System is more and more the old Four Thirds replace. Are you a dealer of a large quantity E 3 regularly sold?
Not me, not synonymous of my dealer friends. This is a new sonya 900, the new Canon 5 D MK II and the Nikon D 300 good care.
I have Olympus 420 & 520 for about 20% withdrawal rate, the cameras are not badly done, the clients come from their own power back, often on Nikon & Canon to change.
Olympus fans there are, quite synonymous with, but it is a small group. Although my Olympus roadshows always have a lot - there are experts s.Werk - so the impression. The Canon can not always expect.
VG
Jan
Antwort von camworks:
ne who is 420 or 520 is back, really has no idea of the photograph. for so little money is nowhere better equipment. kitlinsen alone the competitors are all light years ahead. Of the top-linsen times not to speak!
but who prefer not fragment as optik for its new 450d wishes happy! fresst scheisse, billions fly can not be wrong. ;-)
Antwort von Jan:
So we are human after all - animals habit.
If what one says that all races in the same direction ...
You believe not, how many Canon Ixus freaks there, because you have immediately lost when you synonymous admit weaknesses of the model.
If yes here is not synonymous differently, XH A 1 and the AGM of 30 was
Slashcam (or users) in the sky hyped ....
But since I have absolute confidence synonymous to synonymous least had a long and good conversation with a customer (of course, an Olympus lovers).
Even if at first glance not mitbekommt, many sellers on the Canon page. We have then in all tranquility listed strengths and weaknesses (yes it went to the Magazine A, B, C and X, Y & Z WINNERS 450 D).
At the end came out - you can buy quite a Olympus. Minor weaknesses of the Olympus models but synonymous.
But the world looks different, Canon leads with 44-46% to 4-5% market share in the DSLR market.
VG
Jan
Antwort von camworks:
me no preference whether canon 45 or 95% market share.
I've begun 1981 with his ZX81, then at some point as everybody to c64 purchased, I broke my zx spectrum purchased, then as many have bought an Amiga, I had an atari st, etc..
I buy my equipment for my own criteria. that does not mean that I always buy the underdog. it means only that for me the underdog in the consideration not rausfliegt car. Such systems usually have great advantages, one must only deep enough to incorporate the material before you buy something.
clear that with the setting, I pretty much stand alone. but this is my e-520 is not bad ;-) and yes it was synonymous when times elsewhere NEN olympusianer meets and is abklatscht, while hundreds canone and Nikonians s.einem run over ... ;-)
still there at the DSLR-forum.de olympus a very large area. Who are some nice pictures to see who can register as times and be amazed.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... clear that with the setting, I pretty much stand alone as ... So alone you are not - at least I have a Olympus XA, the ingenious compact camera in the closet ;-) When I look at the development in recent decades, then it may be to achieve a brand already sorry: Did Olympus always used devices that are positive with interesting details of many cameras in the mass producers abhoben (Pen, OM-1, OM-2, XA, E-10, E-100, etc.) then you have today with the same problem as well Pentax synonymous to fight: The "Vorsprung durch Technik" is to be interpreted and the average customer of today is, given the dominance of Canon and Nikon often even the Olympus brand unknown. Sad but true.
Unfortunately it makes Olympus myself today but synonymous difficult, this trend: With the small DSLR E-410/510/420/520 feel like I do not think the E-3 is also not very convincing and so will I, after a short and not satisfactory EOS interlude at the earliest opportunity to return to Nikon. That there is a camera manufacturer Olympus but far will, I hope anyway.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von B.DeKid:
....... Who are some beautiful pictures want to see ........ ... It can be synonymous a hole camera build nem shoebox. ;-)
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I have a Olympus ¼ 1030SW me to go fishing and outdoors every day.
The image quality aka / Auto / Program mode everything clean ... ToP device.
For a pocket camera well said! But in (D-) Olympus SLR sector against Nikon or Canon to make is simply not fair. So if there are to be called, it is perhaps even Pentax. (Now times of Sony's attempt to enter the sector, Still Image exception.)
Olympus is clearly not a professional instrument but clearly Consumer orintiert.
Whatever chip because it will be built.
That a professional synonymous with an Olympus something that would get is probably of itself
MfG
B. DeKid
PS. And with the cheap pieces of the starter series of Canon and Nikon. Is has always been and there are people who years synonymous with these lenses are happy. A difference can be chen most people do not always agree, let the sale.
Antwort von camworks:
why is only olympus consumer? e-3 may of the features and the objective loose with the big match. I need something and do not want it therefore does not afford me, my 520 enough for me there. obviously can not iso 3200, at 1600 rauscht it a little. but we did see last month from the same shooting situation with various DSLR's made and the 520 front since played with. in any case better than the Canon's consumer-who were there (400d, 450d). the same amount of rushing up to iso 800, but sharper. synonymous with the pixelpeeping.
to the big missing something dynamic range (max 1 hide, usually half a hide), but what should that cost 7 times as much synonymous. and I have in my 520 best sensor cleaning on the market. as synonymous may not hold however 1d MK3.
Antwort von B.DeKid:
All well and good ... but come on let's face ;-)
So with more than 400ISO photographed PROFI no one Olympus and Leica SonyPentax .... are not synonymous of professionals led.
Full Comment no preference whether the Canon and Nikon are sometimes worse than their competitors.
These are mere tools - point.
As a lover buys you then stop still Voigtländer, Leica, Pentax or or ....
So my Voigtländer Bessa and their optics so synonymous and handling are all but spitze.
But I photograph still "business" with the EOS 1V / 1 ..... although in both eg. synonymous only an Agfa film is loaded, for the approximately 36 pictures will.
And images that only exist digitally, which I am shooting with an EOS 400D. That is enough perfectly.
Perhaps as a press photographer or, where it must go fast. But enough for me.
I let so synonymous nor negative developments of formats to make appropriations. Since I do not need baking Digi / pay / can justify.
MfG
B. DeKid
PS. Are good and are Chips / cameras, which do not "Crop" offer, the need / want us.
Microchips can be fitted into mobile phones, maybe someone bringts so what.
From a
Antwort von camworks:
All well and good ... but come on let's face ;-)
So with more than 400ISO photographed no PROFI therefore the olympus e-series synonymous coder not a bit worse "consumer" as the Canon or Nikon in the same price segment. current olympus ft cameras are only about ISO 800 quite easily rauschiger than competitive. and nothing else I said.
apart from some professionals are synonymous with e-3 on the road. especially if they have no lust, 7kg by gegend to tow.
Incidentally, the ft-chip is just slightly smaller than aps-c. with aps-c more pixels and therefore have something lichtschwächer, which is then offset halfway.
precisely:
Four Thirds (olympus, panasonic): 17.3 x 13.0 mm
aps-c (canon 400d, 450d, nikon, etc.): 22.5 x 15.1 mm
Canon EOS 1D Mark III: 28.1 x 18.7 mm
Full (eg Canon EOS 1Ds Mark III): 35.8 x 23.9 mm
sensor compared to the typical sizes of compact cameras:
Ixus i7, SonyTSC-T50, Olympus SP-550: 5.2 x 3.9 mm
and what should the appropriate with the cropfaktor? willste film look s.ner DSLR? ;-) This is really hard on ... aps-c crop has 1.6, ft, 2.0. so what ...
However, we leave that, you have your opinion you seem to have formed and I can not shake off. ;-)
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... with more than 400ISO photographed no PROFI ... The field of professional photography is so wide that it is not lumped together on a can: A friend of me works almost exclusively in the studio with controlled lighting and it makes high ASA numbers obviously do not mind. Others, however - I will count synonymous - have more often in dark environment, where you either do not want to flash or may be, and are then very happy when the camera at 1600ASA still roars so little that no customer aufffällt. For me it was even one of the reasons I have a DSLR zuzulegen. Otherwise, I would have tried with my left analog SLRs.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von camworks:
yes, but such mätzchen example with its 400d and 450d will not synonymous. what hast thou for a cam if you order in the dark without a flash and without rushing photographing?
I think we must be clear about what price ranges we write and what one compares with what ...
Antwort von ViperRT10:
so interesting is what is written here!
times to give your tip s.für compact camera up to 250Euro for the pocket
What should be?
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... what have you for a cam if you order in the dark without a flash and without rushing photographing? ... One thing first: Of course I am aware that from a purely theoretical viewpoint, photography is not the best approach is, unfortunately, has only one at a studio outside reports often lack the ability or permission, so auszuleuchten how it would like (I'm talking about For example, because of events in indoor spaces such as corporate workshops, seminars or weddings synonymous in dark churches). Currently I still do with a Canon EOS 40D, with which I at this point - image quality Lowlight - synonymous'm satisfied. Unfortunately, in others not score, and so I will probably soon be a Nikon D700 to replace. The Full lures just too much.
... it must be clear about what price ranges we write and what one compares with what ... I see the same, but to return to the original topic: For those I have described above of tasks currently Olympus Camera simply not appropriate. I'm skeptical synonymous whether one Full Of Olympus gets. FourThirds I s.with of early interest, but for my personal needs, it is unfortunately not ideal. For other photographers, the sure different.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von camworks:
stimmt. olympus is for events without a flash is not particularly well suited.
synonymous but that is really a special case.
I think that olympus will never out a Full. they have their niche in aps-c or Full gibts too many potent competitive and they have to develop everything from scratch.
Antwort von camworks:
times to give your tip s.für compact camera up to 250Euro for the pocket
What should be? what do you mean by that photograph? for daily shots with enough light, you can each take marken-compact. which do not much. the image depends on the photographers s.and only to a small part of the camera.
look here, the photos were all there with an old 3.3 megapixel Ricoh Caplio g4 made: www.nature-productions.de
now I have the Olympus E-520, but which I have no photos set.
times a tip of mine: instead of a compact denk times on a Olympus E-410 kit in it!
costs currently to 290 euros and you have ne really good digital SLR with 2 objective: http://www.guenstiger.de/gt/main.asp?produkt=464967
(which has ussynonymous tions "full auto mode" as a compact, if it is important to you).
the chips of compact cameras are only one fourth as large, which is clearly in the low-light-and low-noise, behave. look up in my posting again, the sensor dimensions, then you know what I mean. The image quality is at around 410 lengths better! Also you have the possibility, in raw mode to shoot, which is far more reserves in the building has. this is so not in a compact.
an Olympus E-410-review: http://www.digicam-beratung.de/test-olympus-e410.php
Antwort von ViperRT10:
thank arndt, but it be a pocket cam that anything is too big and I never will be!
I want my canon ixus v3 replace too weak and in low light without a flash SOWISO, small display, etc. ..
Antwort von camworks:
e-410 is about as big as a fist. spiegelreflex the smallest on the market. look the part (or the equally large nachfolger e-420) times in the photo upload s.and take in the hand. you'll be surprised how small and easy that is.
Antwort von Jan:
@ ViperRT10 - how small exactly?
Ixus NEN Tick Size or fatter?
In the Size Ixus Panasonic, you can instantly recommend it because we would like the Model FS 5th Panasonic has intensively s.ihren weaknesses in recent years worked (very aggressive image processing) and greatly improved. The new models are synonymous for auto fans very interesting, thanks IA (intelligent auto). There really is (ie, when measuring by tapping the shutter button to auto care and certain things are prepared.
This concerns for example, if a Macro Studio want to make that one at 90% of the models predict only the close-up program must go to synonymous single-centimeter object at distance to take pictures. FS 5 (or any other current models in Pana IA program) simply tap shutter button halfway, the camera says - aha you want to get close, then I switched to the same times auto macro program, and you can instantly clear your image Still do ...
This is synonymous for sport, and against the weak light shots.
Can some help. Meanwhile, Panasonic can be found at the ISO figures in the auto synonymous to certain limit values, which the more sophisticated Knipsen photographer will agree.
Panasonic is synonymous in the class fairly good daylight screens (Olympus is synonymous in the case very well - often unusable Sonyist zb W 120), then you'll see in many cases what synonymous. Who lasting for much light is on, should follow with a digicam viewfinders around.
For small digicam models, but there are not many with Viewfinder, Canon Sonyand you can call, but only the synonymous beginners and small middle class. The small Kucklochsucher but synonymous weaknesses, such as the Paralaxenfehler, which means you are photographing with an Ixus 80 to the viewfinders, and at a shooting distance of about 1 m is at once about every 15 cm right and left more thing - is not synonymous beautiful. 100% Picture Top of the sensor have the expensive bridge with their cameras Videosuchern.
Since then, we would be for Canon Ixus 80 IS, no preference whether best-selling camera in Germany or not, I think it is their worth 150 ¬.
Canon has made the new 80s a few weaknesses of the predecessor model IXUS 70 off, including, for example, finally a correct battery remaining indicator (IXUS 70 does not, then the top right red display, empty shortly afterwards ...).
The optical stabilizer is now synonymous with s.Bord who photographed a lot of outdoor needs it rather than the small 3x zoom.
User synonymous times the interior (at moderate light) zoom want users to have a troubled or the camera is often on board, the user times like an atmospheric recording without flash and tripod (dark, but there may not be) want to make - which is stability of the fallen.
Battery is still the small NB 4 l with 760 mAh - so much smaller than that of the FS 5 BCE 10 & S 008 (1000 mAh).
Canon dominates time-lapse videos and even her Farbveränderungsprogramm "My Color Mode", the youth quite popular. Even with image in endurance series, the two models are quite good (although many companies have a quick 3-7 pictures feature - but often limited to 3-10 images s.Stück - synonymous with faster memory).
The two models should be around 1.5 - 2 images / sec can make, and which - until the card is full.
When the camera a bit thicker may be, it is the best compact Knipsen currently the Fuji F 100 FS.
While I was against Knipsen with Pixelwahn (here, 12 million pixels), but Fuji has a bigger sensor (1:1,6) and more effective surface area (Super CCD) than many other manufacturer. Fuji is synonymous with a new Model Optics (28-140mm) and a new main processor gifts.
Where I use the camera for the first time was, I had the same test times. ISO 800 and ISO 1600 set, hard to believe how little the clippers at the high sensitivities roars. The magazine gave 92 points chip image quality (there was a Digiknipse there yet), in Color Image Still I think there were 55 points at ISO 400 (comes synonymous very rare).
The camera has slight weaknesses in wide - yes 28 mm in Digiknipsen is always a risk - slight warping Fever
Antwort von camworks:
If it still must be greater then one can observe Camworks tip, the Olympus models are really very small for DSLR, you've got to you but not the cheap plastic feel like a ¬ 450 Canon EOS 1000th Then you have to just the right (s) optics for your own photos put together. why proper optics together? e-410 kit will cost 40 euro more than ne usual compact and has a 14-42 mm and 40-150 mm in a set. these optics are better than anything ever built in a compact will.
Antwort von ViperRT10:
Thank you for your info !!!!!!!!!!!
na dann muss ich mal in the shop I watch these cams!
Antwort von ViperRT10:
bin grad so s.stöbern and see that it is in the compact class with CF no longer there, but I have so many of them ....
Antwort von Jan:
@ Camworks - there is but the 17-45 mm (but that is really the exception to Olympus) - among the experts is not the best reputation, your target optics we can unhesitatingly recommend
@ ViperRT10 - this is now really no preference. Memory cards are currently cheap. How fast are your cards and how big? Many customers have asked the old topic of 256 MB or 512 MB CF cards.
Meanwhile, you get yourself in loose business to an SD card San Disk Ultra II Class 4 with 2 GB (San Disk is up to 15 MB of read and write speed) for less than 10 ¬! That fit with a IXUS 80 for example, about 600 photos with 8 million (fine) or 22 min s.Stück video at 640x480, 30 B / s.
4 GB, there is still synonymous with no problems under 10 ¬. Tickets are now no longer the problem.
Only Sonyist with its Memory Stick Pro Duo still 3-4x as expensive.
Olympus has still the XD slot, but in between each new Digikompaktkamera XD at the Micro SD adapter, so that users loved their cheap mobile synonymous Micro SD memory cards in the Olympus can use. Old Fuji & Olympus cameras take the Micro SD adapter, unfortunately, not (there is an edge which does not fit inside)
Oh, if you think of the Olympus have discussed Camworks want, then you can have your next use CF cards. Would be important only that they are not too small (less than 1 GB) or too slow (under Class 4 or even lower than Class 2) would be.
VG
Jan
Antwort von ViperRT10:
tja, da hast du eigentlich recht ...
and on my CF card is not even a class ... BJ04 ..
Antwort von B.DeKid:
Just read in the new professional photo
Zuiko Buy and Save
Within a limited period, Olympus offers a cash back on selected action Zuiko Lenses. The campaign runs until 31.01.2009.
...............
Short and concise, it is really like with the Canon Cash Back Action ... Send you the required data and receive (eventually) a certain amount is paid back.
The Zuiko Digital Lenses are available on the Four Thirds system.
Focal areas include 7 to 300mm (14 to 600mm).
There are, for example, 120 euros reimbursed for the purchase of a Zuiko Digital ED 150mm 1:2.0 lens.
More info www.olympus.de are to be found.
MfG
B. DeKid
Antwort von Videobodo:
Hi all photo fans
Since I am the problem since the last holiday familiar, then I wanted synonymous as a stylish, small Digiknipse buy. I have times intensiev deal with the issue. The result was the planned around 250 ¬ Money are kicked out, I decided for a reflex. Since I've only had analog photographed, I had as synonymous only make clever. After I briefly with a EOS 400 photographed htte-to-play, I have for the Pentax K 20 D decided. The decisive factor was the equipment and the solid body, dust-and splash-proof. Important for my tours. This is a good price-performance ratio.
Antwort von Jan:
The K 20 is certainly a nice camera with many good ideas. To some test case & test should beat other cameras in the class is not so good weather - thanks to metal chassis of the K 20 (it is not exactly easy - that's why!).
The amount would be ¬ 1k for me but a Nikon D 90 Camera interesting, synonymous when the a subjective opinion.
VG
Jan
