Frage von Ninius:
Hello people,
Tell me a time of filming for some time and cut what the practical handling of the cutting is better
Full or half frame?
Thereafter, the choice depends synonymous my future
Video Camera had Apple hardware and software
Greeting
Antwort von AndyZZ:
Since I see no difference from the cut here. Much more interesting is the question of the recording format. You mentioned the s.anderer body SonyHC1. The features, like all the current HDV cameras and unlike all other miniDV cameras in MPEG. Since you only have 15 pictures, all propose a complete picture, the remaining 14 images of this GOP (Group of Pictures) are only complete images to the difference information. For DV-AVI you have a complete picture of each picture. Then you can cut to your heart.
Resources, as appears with you the little misunderstanding between Field and full screen on ....?
Greeting
Andy
Antwort von Ninius:
Thanks Andy,
"The features, like all the current HDV cameras, and unlike all other miniDV cameras in MPEG. Since you have only every 15 frames propose a complete picture, the remaining 14 images of this GOP (Group of Pictures) are only complete images to the difference information. For DV-AVI you have a complete picture of each picture. "
it means that I cut only when any 15 Picture (in HDV mode), that is a full screen?
Perhaps en can still say something
Antwort von Stephan Kexel:
Thanks Andy,
"The features, like all the current HDV cameras, and unlike all other miniDV cameras in MPEG. Since you have only every 15 frames propose a complete picture, the remaining 14 images of this GOP (Group of Pictures) are only complete images to the difference information. For DV-AVI you have a complete picture of each picture. "
it means that I cut only when any 15 Picture, it's a full screen?
Perhaps en can still say something No, ner with normal software can cut manh synonymous as MPEG where you want!
Antwort von AndyZZ:
Thanks Andy,
"The features, like all the current HDV cameras, and unlike all other miniDV cameras in MPEG. Since you have only every 15 frames propose a complete picture, the remaining 14 images of this GOP (Group of Pictures) are only complete images to the difference information. For DV-AVI you have a complete picture of each picture. "
it means that I cut only when any 15 Picture, it's a full screen?
Perhaps en can still say something
No, ner with normal software can cut manh synonymous as MPEG where you want! Right!
But sometimes a bit more uncomfortable, especially since he, the complete picture information s.einem P or B-frame only from the surrounding frames must be calculated.
Greeting
Andy
Antwort von Ninius:
Thanks Andy,
"The features, like all the current HDV cameras, and unlike all other miniDV cameras in MPEG. Since you have only every 15 frames propose a complete picture, the remaining 14 images of this GOP (Group of Pictures) are only complete images to the difference information. For DV-AVI you have a complete picture of each picture. "
it means that I cut only when any 15 Picture, it's a full screen?
Perhaps en can still say something
No, ner with normal software can cut manh synonymous as MPEG where you want!
Right!
But sometimes a bit more uncomfortable, especially since he, the complete picture information s.einem P or B-frame only from the surrounding frames must be calculated.
Greeting
Andy So Andy, are you stuck well in the matter.
But I'm starting to confuse everything.
I just want to focus on simple question simple answer konkrte slowly around me.
Because now if I had a HDR HC 1 Camera and wanted to cut the movie to handle next to him, then later on what I was s.besten should then pay attention?
Greeting
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
You need a good video editing program, and Min Calculator with one. P4-3, 2GHz, and a lot of RAM and very fast hard drives. Such a video editing program would be as pros of Canopus EDIUS 3. There are made of m2t files called HQ-Files and can be as easy as in the case of IR-cut material. After cutting back we can all spend m2t to. You get a super video quality!
With your Apple is probably synonymous well if you the right apple for HD have cut.
Antwort von Axel:
Because now if I had a HDR HC 1 Camera and wanted to cut the movie to handle next to him, then later on what I was s.besten should then pay attention?
In your case to the proper editing program, which would be Final Cut Pro Express HD or the full version Final (Cut Pro 5).
At the moment the output as HDV footage or hard disks is bound. Which standard is developed here, is not yet clear. Therefore it makes sense to include in HDV to spend on the camera as with an ordinary DV and Final Cut Pro, cut anyway in DV. This does not have such high demands s.The performance of your computer. The sections you can save list as editing and certainly ('m not quite sure) can render some day again in HDV. So why even now HDV?
1. You and the people who look at this, Calculator with HD display or plasma / LCD with their HDV cams.
2. The output of HDV as DV will deliver better results than normal in the same price range of DV camcorders (particularly in terms of true 16:9 chip).
3. The existence of a höherauflösenden affordable system parallel to the normal DV you spoiled the fun s.der work. If it does not. See this quote from another post:
News, sports, EB, YAW film industry for the best possible technical quality. Here can score HD. But only good HD.
Storytelling: Forget this discussion. Here is the abstract film look is in the foreground. 24/25p, deep black, cinematic color, low DOF, linear gradation. DAS makes the quality of the image.
Focus: The eye is always looking for the relative severity points. A typical HD video image may be technically sharper than a film image, but due to the high depth of sharpness is uniform and thus the "value" of sharpness but rejected. The eye from blunts.
A film image focused by the low DOF the focus is currently on a major point. The eye perceives this issue as a contrast to the surrounding blur synonymous as very important and was particularly sharp - just in relation to the environment. Thus, one can produce sharper images with SD subjective than with HD and large depth of field and much higher resolution.
HDV (not eches HD!) Storyteller is therefore not an argument to purchase a camera.
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Antwort von ruessel:
I cut my HC1 HDV movies with Avid HD. From an Avid forum about this:
However, while effects in HDV mode counts are not native, expected in special DNxHD TR 120th This is an Intermediate Codec of AVID, so the effect is not due to compression artifacts wegbröckelt by the highly compressed HDV. So AVID thus provides a much better quality than Pinnacle, or Final Cut, in HDV Project work only in Mpeg2 and thus generate a lot of losses when rendering. And usually must be re-counted a lot in HD. But a hard cut s.end often means a "Rerendern" synonymous with no effects .... Greeting from Ruessel
Antwort von Stephan Kexel:
Thanks Andy,
"The features, like all the current HDV cameras, and unlike all other miniDV cameras in MPEG. Since you have only every 15 frames propose a complete picture, the remaining 14 images of this GOP (Group of Pictures) are only complete images to the difference information. For DV-AVI you have a complete picture of each picture. "
it means that I cut only when any 15 Picture, it's a full screen?
Perhaps en can still say something
No, ner with normal software can cut manh synonymous as MPEG where you want!
Right!
But sometimes a bit more uncomfortable, especially since he, the complete picture information s.einem P or B-frame only from the surrounding frames must be calculated.
Greeting
Andy True, but that you get as a user, but not with!
Antwort von AndyZZ:
Thanks Andy,
"The features, like all the current HDV cameras, and unlike all other miniDV cameras in MPEG. Since you have only every 15 frames propose a complete picture, the remaining 14 images of this GOP (Group of Pictures) are only complete images to the difference information. For DV-AVI you have a complete picture of each picture. "
it means that I cut only when any 15 Picture, it's a full screen?
Perhaps en can still say something
No, ner with normal software can cut manh synonymous as MPEG where you want!
Right!
But sometimes a bit more uncomfortable, especially since he, the complete picture information s.einem P or B-frame only from the surrounding frames must be calculated.
Greeting
Andy
True, but that you get as a user, but not with! Also correct. I feel the cutting of MPEGs in Premiere Pro but even as much less comfortable than normal DV-AVI.
Greeting
Andy
Antwort von Stephan Kexel:
Also correct. I feel the cutting of MPEGs in Premiere Pro but even as much less comfortable than normal DV-AVI.
Since then, however, the MPEG can not help it!
Antwort von Ninius:
Hello Axel,
it's true: You are what you are doing
But to the point.
"3 The existence of a höherauflösenden affordable system parallel to the normal DV you spoiled the fun s.der work. If it does not. See this quote from another post:"
this, your lines, I do not understand.
The HC1 has the ability to convert each on-the-fly to HDV in Dv. Since it would be a DV movie of the filming is better than the normal Dv camcorder. Or have I not understood you correctly?
Then it spoiled me so do not work.
Furthermore, if HDV, then it makes sense when the playback devices are on HDV, see LCD / Plasma Television or projector with HD ready.
Would you agree with me?
gruß
Antwort von schulli:
Good day,
the MPEG Cut is it greatly upon the quality of the editing software. As my VOrgägner mentioned, you can actually cut risk only to the first full one GOP. Any other location in a sequence requires the exact calculation within the GOPS to just be able to recreate this. Because obviously, the GOP starts s.der interface, then back to new.
There were some Programs, especially in the consumer market, which had problems with that. One played his finished works on tape or DVD the sound was heard no longer there where he belonged. Since these errors took place only in the range of frames, which were audio problems then sometimes only in the middle or s.end see one contribution. Very annoying. A cut in AVI is not a problem in this respect.
Regards,
Frank
Antwort von Axel:
The HC1 has the ability to convert each on-the-fly to HDV in Dv. Since it would be a DV movie of the filming is better than the normal Dv camcorder. Or have I not understood you correctly?
Then it spoiled me so do not work. `Scuse me, I do not read all posts so concentrated. I had understood it so that the HC1 you have not yet, but if you could have, what do you need to cut. So there you have it seems, naturally you feel about no envy over to HDV, but you have a lot of half-baked technology s.Bein bugs. The relatively large system times out before leaving that of (the outposts mentioned problems when they apparently cut synonymous with Apple) does not stand out quite so, a large chip in quad Resolutiongleich and thus an even greater DOF, and as the main problem, and I quote you:
Furthermore, if HDV, then it makes sense when the playback devices are on HDV, see LCD / Plasma Television or projector with HD ready.
Would you agree with me? as the most important, the fact that you (your camera or be a damn fast laptop even a Powerbook can get stuck there!) have to depend s.The mentioned devices to play your movie. The transmission as a disc is not initially possible. In addition, the reproduction of your material as interlaced, not really tailored to the aforementioned devices. The tape, as they represent a progressive, your fields together and vermatschen you the theoretically high resolution.
Therefore, I advise to shoot in HDV to capture in DV to cut spending and on. HDV is simply not the yellow of the egg.
Antwort von Stephan Kexel:
HDV is simply not the yellow of the egg. I do not know where do such wisdom!?
Reproduce I can not! With our products you can handle HDV just as one of DV, it was used to.
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
I do not know where do such wisdom!? From the posting on Gov. ..
Canopus is recommended, preferably with HQ AVI (EDIUS 3 pros), also with intermediate-Files m2t transport files instead of working in the video editing program. While this is pumping the File Size in a very nice, but you can actually just as smooth as working with DV files. According to the company synonymous Canopus incurred while no loss of quality, somewhere is even been documented!
Antwort von Kiara Borini:
I look down at the moment HDV really the biggest problem that one does not have a "mini HD-DVD" for consumer be able to say (on double DVD + - R-base) and we are so dependent on PCs when Browsing.
I think 8GB capacity would be for many a non-Movies-Film diurchaus rich, synonymous with no blue laser format and new disputes. Then Hollywood can indeed abkaspern still with himself about which format they like for now my dear. ;-) And many a viewer would appreciate a consequential necessary length restriction probably synonymous with.
On one hand I certainly see potential for HDV, such as weddings, and the like, even if they are still cutting DV-compliant. If you later have memories of quality wöchte, then perhaps the standard. - Only it's really standard? Or is this yet another beta, Video2000, LaserDisc, MiniDisc, Memory Stick, some other format, in three or four years None knows more? DV, however, is de facto standard.
For what brings Diersen alleged "quantum leap" to HDV? Whenever I go out like that in twenty years is synonymous in the past Gazebo s.der an LCD wall, I want to see me then really 1080i? My impression is that we here at the moment quite clearly the mass market (at the expense of some "early adapters") sacrifices, in order to earn the right area HiEnd Money. Whether the long term to a-motivation and the task of leading consumer caution, the future will indeed show ...
That which is invested by the customer, ultimately much more than the cost of the device, which he buys at the store. It is the medium on which he as the first steps of his offspring keeps. Why is it that every good party, you meet at least one, one wonders how he can burn his old Super8 snippets on DVD? (Or is it just me?)
If I become a useful high-resolution progressive format of 2-megapixel Resolutionhätte, then I could also be useful to generate material for souvenir photos. This expressive quality I can not hold a synonymous evolving printer technology.
My dream would, however, a device such as a CMOS sensor with the blessed of D30 SLR Canon and a fast image processor from the sensor data at the same time could generate MEPG an HD video stream and also has a shutter Stehbildauszug per second in RAW format wegschreibt. - Yes, and of course a built-in hard disk. Should be in the form factor, the alllein would realistically be needed because of the Focal, are synonymous 120 MB notebook hard disks can be accommodated, possibly as RAID.
We should not moan about a lack of intensity, cinema feeling would be no problem if you would also agree to 24p.
The notion that a hard drive with a RAW video data stream to fill is probably unrealistic, given the then probably 20 minutes on shrinking media (for 120 GB), but would provide completely new perspectives in post processing. Just think s.den subsequent White Balance and the harmonization between different cameras during a 12-bit color space.
But just as the market is evolving now, we have to fight well in the future so that a good slideshow looks on an HDTV screen quality, as uncontrollable deinterlacetes material that also still different wild bird is herscaliert forth between resolutions and ... .
Antwort von WeiZen:
Moin Threat starter
You make life lighter and take a brisk Edius3pro and PC.
Would you like to have fun and at the same time synonymous nor an RT output s.der TL, then take EdiusNX. Depending on the system summary, you should both PC and EdiusNX get s.3000 euro upwards.
You have the HC1 and now want to film it, edit in Edius, m2t transport stream for the band to create output and back onto tape. Or simply the addition of project setting in Edius HDV to DV16: 9 and change can create a DVD. Done. If everything goes as quickly as with DV. The only thing that lasts longer, is the creation of the transport stream for the band edition.
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
He who has Ninius, but an Apple equipment, is synonymous EDIUS in Apple?
Antwort von WeiZen:
Moin,
but he should make his life easier.
Antwort von Axel:
Showdown of the usual suspects ...
If you have the HC1, do not let them slam you. Decide for yourself whether HDV is the right thing, whether of the camera or from the Calculator on LCD, plasma or projector played. But if that is initially too uncool to use 'DV, and you lift the tapes for the grandchildren. If you
(Apple too
complicated!), Then you make your life easier and buy a PC.
Antwort von Ninius:
Showdown of the usual suspects ...
If you have the HC1, do not let them slam you. Decide for yourself whether HDV is the right thing, whether of the camera or from the Calculator on LCD, plasma or projector played. But if that is initially too uncool to use 'DV, and you lift the tapes for the grandchildren. If you (Apple too complicated!), Then you make your life easier and buy a PC. no me is nothing too complicated, I just want more understanding, more transparency into the tech. tricky matter of getting to me.
While I'm biting on this matter.
