Frage von DennisP.:
Hello!
I would be intressieren, as its the next 1-2 years in the HD camcorder would appreciate.
I am currently faced with the question whether I am on an HD-Cam (under 1000 ¬) will change and if so how. So there are currently massive AVCHD Camera on the market, synonymous with really good prices (eg Canon HF100). But the big problem here, however, is known to the post. I belong to the people is neither a high-performance computers have one of the newest programs are cut. For me the AVCHD editing at the moment is virtually impossible. And a new computer, new software and new cam at the same time is not buying it. However, I would be honest in today's time no longer on a HDV camcorder set on Mini-DV recording, because I think that mini-DV and Firewire so slowly the previous ones belong. But what about now in the next 2 years? AVCHD is the format of the future and we can in 1-2 years AVCHD synonymous with a 2.0 GHz with 2GB Ram Calculator editing. Or how it looks with HDV on Card (SDHC) from? Viellciht can you give me something yeasts and your assumptions.
Thank you
Antwort von dvcut:
There will be different flavors of the H.264 type DSLR and many devices are in the next generations synonymous HD video options. Nikon and Canon have submitted. Now Sonyand Panasonic in the next 6 months. However, in the price range of your camcorder will dominate 1000. The HF100 with 17MBit / s is barely visible worse than the new HF11 and HG21 with 24MBit / s. This, however, are somewhat better equipped synonymous. Modern software is becoming cheaper. Pinnacle Studio, Edius Neo and Corel / Ulead VideoStudio is available at $ 100. A higher level of fighting and Canopus Magix UMD customers and provide for cross grade to 199 EUR. Core 4 will surely be 2009 at the standard system at prices of around EUR 1,000. However, with falling margins synonymous advice and support ever more expensive.
Antwort von Modellbahner:
Hello, the problem will be that you through the eternal wait for a new technology, probably never to come a new Camera. With the increasingly rapid development of new devices, you'll always chase. My advice: Purchase a product you like what you do at the moment. Because what happens in the next 2 years, no one knows will happen. Live now and not in the future.
Gruß Bernd
Antwort von B.DeKid:
I knew not why Firewire and Mini DV are not synonymous nor in 2 years should work.
Speaks nothing against a HV20/30 I think.
MfG
B. DeKid
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Dennis
The limiting factor is currently synonymous AVCHD and Blu-ray because the format to be supported because there are more than limited.
Currently Sonydas format with fewer Picture Tools (mainProfile@4.1), but with a more efficient coding (CABAC), which in turn significantly greater requirement s.den Calculator provides.
Canon and Pana support better tools (HighProfile@4.1), especially in color, but need a little more bitrate. This is the signal from the calculator is easier to handle.
What the bottom line remains, those procedures are just entering the HD display and with which the industry probably only a few years once Stores want to make.
From "real" HD is only very rarely speak.
This should only go if None AVCHD buys more.
Incidentally, with his limited HDV format Resolutionein that in HDTV None specification (SMPTE) again.
So, whether this is the last shot of wisdom is ...
Antwort von der henne:
While the HDV Resolutionvon 1440x1080i50 and in MPEG2 of the Blu-Ray disc natively supported, but HDV is likely no problem.
Antwort von domain:
Strangely only that Sonywiederum some new HDV models brought to this truly extraordinary praise, New Lenses, new sensors, which are synonymous only 960 pixels horizontally dominate, but a much better light sensitivity and better seems to be interpolated.
I mean, because Sony spins quite an FX-1000E release, yet to the ancient standard based HDV?
One proves it but in my view, but that a clever Lens with brilliance and Resolutionenorm can make much more than all the algorithms and optimized electronics that Sony stop times synonymous savvy and has practiced.
Unimaginable incidentally when other synonymous Manufacturer times to go would be, at least their optical mandatory training exercises.
AVCHD content is still a problem. One must look poor PC imagine coming from a GOP 100 is a specific picture to select and cut must be calculated. This is just a cramp up to the first 99-Picture, which lasts but WoWu we predicted several years ago that there is only a matter of months might be until the change would be and I believe synonymous today .... ...............
Antwort von Quadruplex:
I mean, because Sony spins quite an FX-1000E release, yet to the ancient standard based HDV? Where is the problem? Rest is always excited when the Manufacturer with all naslang what new, incompatible to the previous comment. HDV There's just five years ...
Antwort von domain:
You can not always just a small part of my postings to read out and want to quote. If you've read everything, then we will agree to temporarily stop times.
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Domain
By reading about it you seem synonymous not entirely accurate, because "for years" synonymous reflects a decline of only memory.
But it is exactly what occurred, beginning of what I've s.gesagt .... AVC is it with an additional chip in the NLEs give (Adobe, Cyberlink, BMD) and AVCHD is not next, as a crutch, which in most cases not even (to 720) reached the DT specification. (1440 is not HD specification, but "aufgebohrtes" SD).
Now I like myself to the time line for a few months have miscalculated ... like everything ... does not change the fact that 80% of consumer AVCHD cameras today are on the shelves.
And a few exotics, the Sony still sold as long as the buyer to find ... who likes to blame them.
And where do you the certainty that the said Camera Lens sharpness comes from?
Computed look after .... then you'll at least be synonymous, that the sharpness of small black lines, that Sonyins Picture paint .... Sharpening edges is called the effect.
And a good lens brings only slightly, if the transmission chain behind it
at least as good ... but it is not.
But if you like the picture .... buy it, nobody will hinder you, synonymous in the next 20 years to make HDV ...
And where were you because the nonsense of the GOP with 100? In MPEG2, there are synonymous GOPs to 128 .... and still use it in the video ... None such a nonsense, I've not read long.
And did you understand AVC obviously not synonymous, because, first, up to 15 +1 I-frames per GOP inserted and secondly the B-frames is very different weights ... So no more thinking old MPEG2 ...
Antwort von RickyMartini:
I have of GV Edius NEO ordered as synonymous so the post production of AVCHD is not a problem, even on weaker machines.
The reason is s.Canopus HQ codec (Intermediate Codec), the material in intraframebasiertes converts AVI.
Sticking point in the matter is, however, the associated data volume, because C-1min HQ requires satte 1GB!
With TB, but the plates should not be a problem.
To view the performance and quality of AVCHD and HDV test and to be able to compare I looked at the Trial of NEO download and test free clips - for lack of an HD-Cam.
Native HDV can be related to the timeline is absolutely unnecessary to give, this is the single controlling entity - in stark contrast to the intermediate material of AVCHD sources, which feels like DV material.
As for me purchase of an HD camcorder yet discourages are to expensive and too small for Sony Memory Stick (if there be a Sony), the great sensitivity of the HDDs and memory cards in general the risk of data loss at leerwerdendem Battery (Canon aims at out and happen again).
The long-term archiving of video data is another problem, because optical media is not particularly suitable, memory cards (still) far too expensive and a backup to HDDs without mirroring is neither advisable.
What remains is as good old videotape that had to handle not particularly comfortable, but very sturdy and durable.
Unfortunately, HDV may soon be buried - in the consumer area (in contrast to the professional division of the manufacturer).
Let's hope that the SSD will soon be synonymous Camcorder domain and keep replacing the HDD, which is equal to some problems should be solved at once. Then I have my HDD synonymous to secure clips, but no more fear in front of a Head Crash the camcorder disc, tape or salad become unreadable flash cards.
Antwort von domain:
And where were you because the nonsense of the GOP with 100?
The nonsense I have of Markus Mönig (CEO of MainConcept AG) reads:
"With AVCHD, there is between IDR-frames distances of 40, 60 or even over 100 pictures. This is the calculation of a frame very much time, not
to speak of streams with only one IDR-frame. Comparison has to HDV -- MPEG maximum of 15 frames in a GOP. " Or in the same article of Alexander Hopstein (ADOBE):
"In order to reach high compression, AVCHD uses a long GOP structure. That makes it very difficult and computationally intensive, for a particular frame within the GOP structure to find." http://www.videoaktiv.de/Hintergrundinfo/CAMCORDER_Hintergrundinfo/Interview-Die-Zukunft-of- AVCHD / Page-4.html
Hopefully they have in the meantime learned what ;-)
Antwort von WoWu:
Now we must of course not with streaming video confused because
IDR-frames are special Einsprungbilder which, unlike I-frames no backward references, so with that which occurs in the video field approach only way to do.
IDR frames are mostly synonymous with scene change is set to "Spulvorgänge" to allow video streams or "enter".
(The article is only synonymous of "Seek" is cited.) Although the term "article" is not synonymous true.
IFRS will also be required to reference the memory, the accused was to I-frames before the reference to IFR.
Incidentally, the standard is synonymous to any I-frame as synonymous IDR to nominate.
There exist in AVC but two different types of I-frames: regular I-frames and IDR-frames (short form for instantaneous decoding refresh)
A P-frame can not have a backward reference IDR, but have an I-frame, which just did not work in MPEG2.
Unlike almost all previous standards, H.264 supports | the so-called AVC bewegungskompensierte Langzeitprädiktion.
It can be reference for the motion compensation from multiple images are selected.
Up to 16 reference pictures (I-frames) are possible, whereas previously only the use of an image (I-frame) for referencing was possible.
Consider the once under the assumption of GOP 100, then 6.25 would be the pictures in a GOP of 16 highly expected in a GOP 100 and AVC at the 16 photos would be, nearly 3-fold.
At a GOP of 40 you're already at ca. 8-fold compared to MPEG2 reference quantity, ie categories better.
But H.264 | AVC not only offers the possibility to specify the minimum and maximum distance between two IDR-frames to define but synonymous between the I-frames.
(In reference to the IDRs is synonymous of 40.60 or even 100 spoken) You should add that a synonymous GOP of 1 is possible (AVC-I), as well as a GOP of 6 or 16 or what ever synonymous. (Free selectable)
Comparison to existing Videocodierstandards the concept is synonymous B Bram (slices) in H.264 | AVC has been altered significantly.
For example images with B-slices
synonymous as a reference for motion compensation are used, which has not been possible.
You see, you must be so simple publications enjoy with caution, especially because they are often things out of context and not completely reality show, or a pre-message (not the rare, the editor) to be transported.
And, with all due respect,
PR manager in the interview (Adobe)?
What should it come out?
So IDR frames are not I-frames, the GoP length can
be chosen freely and even if there is someone for his Internet streaming a GOP of 100 would choose, it is still more than 3-fold reference to MPEG2, the new B-slices not even counting synonymous and not the additional IDRs.
Even a short word about the structure ... Of course, the Langzeitreferenzierung that more I-frames in memory longer be kept. in MPEG2 was simple. 1 I-frame in the memory, execute and delete .... that is now in fact more complicated and is no longer in the memory-oriented manner, but especially in the cache.
Therefore, MPEG2 but synonymous Calculator for the 1990 - Generation AVC and made for modern architectures.
As I said, synonymous in MPEG2, you can create GOPs of 128 ... it has just never been done .... So why should someone on the idea hirnrissige come to GOPs of video 100 to generate ... synonymous if they have any male would be better than the GoP16 of HDV?
Antwort von Quadruplex:
However, I would be honest in today's time no longer on a HDV camcorder set on Mini-DV recording, because I think that mini-DV and Firewire so slowly the previous ones belong. Where is the problem?
For details synonymous times in
diese, this and
Antwort von domain:
The problem with HDV, and certainly at AVC H.264 is my view that the original development goal of these codecs was, as much as possible in good quality material on a disk with very limited capacity to accommodate. This is for the continuous playback of files s.Stück yes synonymous relatively well managed, but more or less big problems with such a cut of compressed material with itself.
Again and again one hears that AVCHD on geschnitten intermediates, such as only recently reported on Edius to edit it quite beautifully, but with about 1 GB of memory per minute effort.
It is really obvious that there is already a record with this data would be quite optimal and in the professional field so synonymous already so handled.
And what is established in the professional sector, comes with a phase shift always synonymous in the amateur field. Where should the problem lie? Internal 2.5 "hard disks to create this data easily and the capacity is already synonymous with 120 GB, which would now have 2 hours for enough synonymous if the plate is not changed, future developments in the Flash memory sector has not yet taken into account.
No. I stick to it, these highly compressed recording procedures in consumer camcorders are a temporary aberration, but we are certainly a few more years to live with them.
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Domain
.... but we are certainly a few more years to live with them. Surely ... and the next procedure is for MPEG already far in the development stage advanced, and brings us an additional factor of approx. 0.5 s.Datenreduktion.
Currently, you "only" s.der real-time capability ... but what is there in a few years, can you now see.
But on transparency in the consumer area, you'll probably wait in vain ... because it's just too many reasons for not doing so.
Antwort von domain:
You're cunning of compression techniques very excited. That is for me absolutely not the case.
As long as I am an uncompressed frame of a digital camera with 2 M-pixel example of a loosely hochkomprimierten H.264 Picture may differ, I have a problem with the whole high-tech Herumkomprimiererei.
The eye-brain combination is simply not so easily fooled, as I can tell what you want.
Is the same way, with mp3, but I have not heard such a fine, that I would recognize differences s.hoc.
But a sound Freak will always be on the nose hulls mp3.
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Domain
We can not say ... I'm just a realist and can see things as they are possible, feasible and affordable are synonymous.
I see, however, synonymous the weaknesses of the systems and therefore have no friend of that which the industry than the consumer being "the best HD anzudrehen tried. As heard both AVCHD, as synonymous with Blu-ray. Both pretty ugly compromises on the way to sensible HD images.
Therefore you should not misunderstand me. From many considerations and trade offs, it is our goal to 720p50 in 4:4:4 and 12 bits to produce. We have very carefully what it is called, with other reductions to work. We make every day about 2 minutes and finishing work with 100 Mbit / s .... and get to a data volume of 600 TB / year. are 600 (1 Tbyte) plates, and maintained its content archivert be. It would be almost inconceivable that we would traffic of 100 Mbit / s to 30-fold rise. (Time, quite apart of the handle and it available HW).
Of course, this is a problem that might arise from a single image of x Still Mbyte (Dir) and so is not likely to leave in a single film in the year are not synonymous.
You see, I'm not a data reduction Freak from pure end in itself but see a very pragmatic. However synonymous, I see that in the picture quality between MPEG2 and AVC is already quite significant differences. In any event, in the profiles that we use. That in the foreseeable future is still synonymous significant improvements will be, we could already see s.Vorserien developments.
Maybe you should even with the whole complex AVC slightly more accurately addressed before you impossible (transparent) hegst dreams and not his head so deep into this really more than mediocre AVCHD and Blu-ray plug.
I'll give you quite right that there is meaningful room for improvement ... but still less than that of MPEG-2.
So if the starting point of the thread will come back and the future of HD-Cam field once looking, you will find that AVCHD almost by definition the lowest entry point into higher resolutions and is really only with much kindness something to do with HD has .
But this has only secondarily something with the data reduction to be done.
Antwort von beiti:
I have of GV Edius NEO ordered as synonymous so the post production of AVCHD is not a problem, even on weaker machines. [...] Intermediate AVCHD material sources, which feels like DV material. On what kind of system you have it tested?
Antwort von r.p.television:
I would be when the whole thing more interesting as the manufacturer with the decision of the EBU (so called, is not it?) In the future to send 720/50p bypass.
Up on the EX models, there is currently no camera models in the price segment smaller than 10000, the standard this record? Please correct if I am wrong.
For me anyway remains a questionable decision.
Can current HD Reveiver receive a 50p signal? I do not believe it? Also, the panels can be a signal but do not, right?
Would not surprise me if the new standard abkackt because the early adopters have not buck back to buy new equipment. The masses usually waits yes s.was report the first purchaser, which in this case probably fails.
Antwort von RickyMartini:
I have of GV Edius NEO ordered as synonymous so the post production of AVCHD is not a problem, even on weaker machines. [...] Intermediate AVCHD material sources, which feels like DV material. On what kind of system you have it tested? I have my main PC with Q6600 @ 3GHz, use 3GB of RAM and Vista Business 32bit taken.
When I see the full version of Edius NEO will have, I check again on my laptop with the P8600 (2.4 Ghz).
AVCHD is synonymous with the quad play is not superfluous, since no more than two cores when playing used. There is still an adjustment is necessary.
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Rptelevision
In relation to the consumer market, you have far right, since few of the smaller cameras can 720p.
In the prosumer area and in the TV sector, which of course quite different. All HD-ready (and upwards) the recipient can 720p50. Also HDMI and of course even with the Blu-ray format, it is one of the two formats really usable, because the combination of BR / HDMI are the only 720p50 (TV) and 1080i/25 (Consumer).
TV content is with us 1080i/25 as good as no longer in demand and because 1080p50 is not even specified, not synonymous.
We are almost exclusively in the HD 720p50-oriented TV stations go.
ARD and ZDF have their decision for 720p50 synonymous taken as a production format ....
But there is still a difference whether I, as a consumer in the pixel noise inside the case and turn on my camcorder do that is anything but synonymous "FullHD" makes, or if I was content for a TV station made. Synonymous Hence our decision as quickly as possible in a better color, better color and higher quality to go.
So far 720 sees no way out as if he "abkackt ".... at least not in the next depreciation periods of ARD and ZDF (Germany) .... and networks such as FOX in the United States, or Discovery, or History Channel .... etc.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
...720/50p...Bis On the EX models, there is currently no camera models in the price segment smaller than 10000, the standard this record? ... Sonyhat this format so far, in fact, very sadly neglected, but offer quite different Manufacturer 720/50p-fähige camcorder in this price range - particularly of course, JVC (GY-HD200/201/250/251), at the outset of the progressive HD have set. At Panasonic, among others dominated the HVX200/201 recording in 720/50p.
Antwort von kkutte:
You may long to discuss what is the future?
In any case, as fast moving as never zuvor.Ich do not have that long and I considered the beginning of 2008, a HV20 gekauft.Macht movies to me are still überzeugen.Super colors, great sharpness and external Micro synonymous with good Sound.Viele I would have hours of video now if not, I would always wait if there are better what comes kommt.Garantiert better but then you wait again if better comes usw.usw.
From DV to HDV was a quantum leap but now? The differences in quality are currently weltbewegend not so much different except in Preisklassen.Ich've got a 106cm plasma screen and the HDV-resolution enough for me too.
wish you all a lot of fun shooting with no preference was
Frock
Antwort von domain:
Well, the title of the thread is probably still some non-synonymous practicalities allow.
Otherwise, a statement of Aunt Jolesch: May God watch over us especially, what is still a chance.
An happiness that we have WoWu.
Antwort von WoWu:
No more arguments?
Antwort von domain:
But, but I might, for example, an analysis of these times what I now at times hochkomprimierenden procedure immediately goes against the grain, must admit that in the meantime something has shifted, but more partial to my displeasure as to my favor, even though The overall impression has improved and this is probably synonymous for the latest HDV models of Sony, no longer Comparison with the Uroma, the FX1.
Given what has been done in the last 4 years, although still synonymous, the difference was greater for pixel count, as the film for real people.
Antwort von Quadruplex:
No. I stick to it, these highly compressed recording procedures in consumer camcorders are a temporary aberration, but we are certainly a few more years to live with them. Of course, the ideal of a true or, at best, lossless compressed recording. One should always be aware that standards and systems are not of the same now on the market down, but a lead have - often of several years. At today's pace, this unfortunately means that newly-established format again be perceived as outdated. If the manufacturer but ever new, the latest format to create, but it is synonymous frustrated or buys nothing more, because in a few months the device is better.
Only once more to remember: When HDV started (just three years ago), there was no affordable for retail screen, the full HDV Resolutiondarstellen could. At that time, MPEG-2 on tape is the best compromise between quality and price.
Furthermore: Even many professional formats work with lower data reduction. DVC-ProHD is about 100 Mbps with no really bad ...
Antwort von domain:
That is not Quadruplex.
I am simply a matter of, in my view incorrect prediction of WoWu with my best arguments to refute.
The future lies in my view, just not in the hochkoprimierenden recording process, but exactly the opposite.
So I see the content and therefore it is for me to undertake a continuous word of advertising for something for me to be nonsensical not to leave unchallenged.
A whole other story is the final storage on any medium that can be compressed so quietly, as she wants, if they ever do.
Antwort von Quadruplex:
I am simply a matter of, in my view incorrect prediction of WoWu This I write for a change, times nothing ...
The future lies in my view, just not in the hochkoprimierenden recording process, but exactly the opposite. Since we are of one mind. But I think a little bit of data reduction is not synonymous and drama in the post no leg broken - even if it is forthcoming and the two-terabyte disks for 100 euro, there should be.
an uninterrupted word of advertising for something for me to be nonsensical not to leave unchallenged. Ah yes, the Lord Wunderlich - synonymous to spare me further comments.
A whole other story is the final storage on any medium that can be compressed so quietly, as she wants, if they ever do. Jau - because it is synonymous sense.
Antwort von domain:
But I think a little bit of data reduction is not synonymous and drama in the post no leg fracture.
1 GB per minute is quite reduced, but more needed in my view, not really, it would approximately correspond to SD-AVI
Antwort von WoWu:
1 GB per minute For what?
720p25, 50, 1080i25, 1080p25, 50 and in which scanning .. 4:2:0, 4:2:2?
With 8-bit or 10 bit? What's that supposed to be?
Antwort von domain:
Ich sag mal for 720p25 4:2:0.
Moreover, it could be quiet a bit more.
Say WoWu, but you understand my concern, right?
But I have absolutely nothing against it, if you really synonymous your views on the validity bringest.
However, as I notice a slight sound hostility lately with you.
That is not worth it, main thing is that you have a good life in Latin America and with me in spirit drink a caipirinha.
In any case, I really wish that all HD Dikussionen less serious and less important than our life itself might be.
Antwort von WoWu:
No domain, hostility would make me sound.
Although I am in so many of your comments are not really synonymous'm aware of how it is meant synonymous and they could easily misunderstand.
When your concern is for me more of a mixture of incomprehension and attempting an explanation.
I understand your approach. But it is also not new and is, since it is television, always repeated.
Previously, it was just the bandwidth, the RGB supporter demands and argued forcefully against a sub-scanning lifted.
Today, it is precisely the bitrate, you should increase.
So yes, I once synonymous short vorgerechnet what effect even in a "small shop" is synonymous to you and tries to explain the qualitative consideration it must be taken and believe that we are with our decision to your requirements s.eine pretty picture should come forward.
So you see, we are concerned, the picture is anything but no preference. (Just as you like)
Only with bitrate simply moves the problem is not physical.
You will certainly synonymous have noticed that I not only plead for ACV format but synonymous for reasonable chip sizes at manageable quantity of pixels to the pixel size in decent areas to bring, as well as for reasonable Lenses, peas off of this big glass, but for entirely synonymous conscious Signal Processing, which for me at an AD / transformation in the image sensor starts and insane has many different facets.
I therefore believe myself to my plea for AVC reduction would be enough ... I'm really good pictures .... and that includes just the Murx, the camcorder industry currently offers from pretty much .... I think we are finally united, regardless of AVCHD or MPEG2 HP1440.
Only in the way we distinguish ourselves ... But it's drum. Time will tell how it goes next and each must be the way to its target format itself.
I am just a matter of time synonymous with clean up such myths, which unfortunately all too often through the offices vermieften find some editorial objective information and with little to do.
What my life and work in South America is concerned, I can only be the best decision of my life sum up. A pity that I have not already 10 years have done more.
In that sense, the Caipirinha is always cool for you when you come and look. And even the burnt coffee from our own harvest synonymous tastes better than the mixed Brazilian herb that is prefixed in Europe gets .... You'll see it.
And while your at this time bibbert and burns oil, so you do not erfriert, pick me fresh tangerines in the garden.
You see, about the life I can not complain and the offer of the Caipirinha is synonymous ... even the limes to you then you can pick fresh.
In the sense verso greetings
Antwort von r.p.television:
@ WoWu
Ok. Because I just do not produce video playback devices, I am rather ignorant and therefore my interjection.
Is it really so that devices such as HD receivers and panels 720p/50 reflect? When the manufacturer is only 720p with no mention of the refresh rate. Is now the 50p?
If it were my concerns are obviously hintergrundlos. My concern is, or was just the HD equipment already in the budgets are not able 720P/50 and because these devices are the early adopters might be upset and the next evolutionary stage is no longer involved - in other words buy the appliances None to meet the new standard can receive.
There is no yes in HD broadcasts s.nennenswerten examples: I received until now only the first two HD channels and HD Anixe and to send up to now still in 1080i.
In what format because ORF HD broadcasts? 720p/50?
Have ARD and ZDF 720p/50 already clearly defined?
Would be interesting to know. Already plays an essential role in the next camera purchase.
Ich hab mich so in place of my DSR 500 on the PDW700 inserted. But I need a suitable backup to the same or similar codec works. I hope for a speedy follow-EX1 with the higher Overcranking up all time and other improvements. Since I am pleased that the two cameras 720p/50 dominate - although I am so s.liebsten in 1080p/50 would be 422 - but that may be yes no man afford.
PS: Yes, the JVC 200, I suggest. It was for me personally always so uninteresting that I have forgotten them.
Antwort von domain:
"The aura of ORF1 HD is in the of the European Broadcasting Union [EBU] default 720p/50 in MPEG4 / AVC format.
This corresponds to 50 frames per second with a Resolutionvon 1,280 x 720 pixels. For more information on the transponder will be announced shortly.
The EBU was used in investigations to the conclusion that 720p/50 in fast moving images better quality than 1080p/25. For the future, the EBU recommends 1080p as another standard. " This is probably 1080p50 for the hopefully not too distant future.
Of course, all the beautiful HDTV Television, which now happen quite often in 1920-he bought quality and are synonymous 720p50 play, because you need not worry.
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Rptelevision
Yes, ARD and ZDF, as well as ORF and SF are set. The device also supports industry of course, a TV format. Interestingly, however, the interfaces to consider, for example. HDMI / BR. There are in fact only 2 formats format, which are both under the
Primarys find 720p50 and 1080i/25. Moreover, how long interlaced still holds, one might speculate now excellent, but at least 720p50 as a cross-default established.
Perhaps a few updates (April 2008) ZDF roadmap.
http://www.tv-plattform.de/download/symp08/charts/7Matzel-ZDF_HDTV-Roadmap.pdf
We are now working for more than a year for 720 with HPX2100er series, because the AVC boards are interchangeable and one for change does not always need a new camera (one is synonymous with the more flexible lenses ...)
But we have our format synonymous according to the customers and are designed for a number of reasons, with 720 very satisfied.
The heist is not that out and not re-synonymous 1080er format to be made because a few customers, there is already. Interlaced is only when we have actually no longer exists .... None and misses it.
With 1080p50 will probably still take a while because there are no adopted standards for doing so.
Synonymous, but I think we should rather build a system established.
Antwort von hannes:
> ... And are from a variety of reasons, with 720 very satisfied.
... but in the "affordable" range, there is still no camera for this format.
Right?
Antwort von domain:
If you are not just for DB produces may allow a yes rather no preference, in what format they broadcast HDTV.
I believe that on the other HD-1080 sector is very well positioned: cameras, television, purchase BDs, everything in this format, so what shells?
Antwort von beiti:
I believe that on the other HD-1080 sector is very well positioned: cameras, television, purchase BDs, everything in this format, so what shells? Consumer cameras are usually in 1080i/50, while most purchase in 1080p/24 BDs are made - as indeed many television can not yet show why it in BR player until 1080i/60 o. Ä. must be converted. However, you can synonymous BR 1080i/50 to burn - exactly like 720p/50 and 720p/60. And there are still a couple of format ...
The consolation for me is rather that it means and ways for future 720p/50 in 1080i/50 to convert and vice versa.
Over the longer term is likely 1080p/50 production format as a useful, although it can be for today's television, BR player and DVB receiver does not directly use, but you can be both 1080i/50 as synonymous 720p/50 high gain.
Antwort von domain:
Bez BD, you have absolutely right, so I kept synonymous, s.1080 any Apendix array.
I personally do not feel 720 as soo great progress, but instead it would be my theory actually been obvious, as the European standard DV PAL New to create the 16:9 in all the 625 lines with no overscan and black bars would show.
In what format the TV broadcasts is fairly irrelevant anyway, the players would stop by scaling the game to what they're already doing today synonymous.
Or should the 720p50 format anyway, perhaps more in this direction? For me, this is in any event no satisfactory HD format, simply too little progress.
Antwort von beiti:
For me, this is in any event no satisfactory HD format, simply too little progress. I feel ungequetschte + 720 lines horizontal resolution (1280 instead of 720) as very much visible progress compared to PAL 16:9. On the other hand, I feel the quality of step 720 on the 1080 rather than marginal. This applies even if you close before the television stands - and a fortiori from wohnzimmerüblichem viewing distance. " Give it try.
Another point that synonymous in the ZDF-paper, is often underestimated is the influence of the compression method: A high nominal resolution, then by movement artifacts nullified will bring any benefits for quiet studio scenes.
Most people never guessed how much quality you do with PAL Resolutionerzielen, if you are not already in the run-up to the color and reduced by interlace method Resolutionvon the moving images is halved.
If resolution to the other parameters overestimated or exaggerated intentionally because it is a handy number of well-marketed can. This applies to televisions as well as for digital cameras, where absurd Resolutions on tiny chips and then squeezed by aggressive noise reduction which is useful Resolutionverringert. But people still prefer to buy the 12-MP-model than the 6-MP model. ;)
Antwort von domain:
That absurd with high pixel quantities currently quite Schindluder operated course already, but just in a range between 1 and about 3M pixels really counts each pixel.
Sun has seen 1080 times to hold 125% more pixels than 720 (ie 225% of 720).
Possible that the 1080-he-quality but still far from being achieved is probably beyond question. That will only happen if you inserted between a good image of nursing in a 1920-he p-Project no difference to the rest of video is seen, as it is currently still pretty much the case.
The potential of 1080 is the decisive factor for me and not what today is usually on the amateur sector, or with some of the enormously compressed TV shows or has been reached.
The EBU's decision, in my view, therefore, been wrong, it has future potential is not taken into account, but other more commercial interests.
Antwort von Quadruplex:
The EBU's decision, in my view, therefore, a wrong has been Oh, yes ...
http://www.heise.de/newsticker/Fussball-EM-Gewaehltes-HDTV-Ausstrahlungsformat-bringt-nur-Nachteile--/meldung/108493
http://www.heise.de/newsticker/Niederlaender-sehen-HDTV-kuenftig-in-1080i-statt-720p--/meldung/110706
Antwort von beiti:
The EBU's decision, in my view, therefore, a wrong has been
Oh, yes ...
http://www.heise.de/newsticker/Fussball-EM-Gewaehltes-HDTV-Ausstrahlungsformat-bringt-nur-Nachteile--/meldung/108493
http://www.heise.de/newsticker/Niederlaender-sehen-HDTV-kuenftig-in-1080i-statt-720p--/meldung/110706 What is criticized because, but are typical transition-and incompatibility problems. It is then reversed synonymous events that are of ARD / ZDF in 720p produced, and with whom the English have a disadvantage.
I also believe that conversion of 1080i to 720p after (and vice versa) did not fail so badly because they're still at the studio level with uncompressed material can take place. The advantage of 720p, the available data to make better use remains as received.
Just think s.die many transfers worldwide, of which a 60-Hz format in a 50-Hz format must be converted (which is much more complicated), and synonymous only notice because the fewest viewers quality disadvantages.
But perhaps we will soon yes the possibility that both variants are in direct comparison to see. BBC can be so in the western half of Germany and in Switzerland easily received.
Antwort von Daigoro:
I also believe that conversion of 1080i to 720p after (and vice versa) did not fail so badly because they're still at the studio level with uncompressed material can take place. Jo, in comparison to what eventually landed on the Television (DVB-C I have not seen - DVB-T nervt animal and DVB-S looks like a bad homemade DVD ne .. if at all) conversion losses are rather low.
Did ja ever written that I ne HDV Camera've bought * because * it will soon no longer could.
Theoretical advantages of AVCHD and cards and "FullHD" out and her - isses at the moment everything is still more than sub-optimal implementation.
