Frage von vdp1331:
Hello,
I torment myself since min. half a year with the question of what camcorder should I purchase, I've now almost to the Panasonic NV-GS 300 (synonymous to hire more durchgerungen GS500).
Now, I have somewhere here (it does not find more) already Succession of HDV format read and wonder how long (S) IR is even still alive, and whether the prices of the SDV camcorders (particularly of course the Panas.) After the Photokina in Go to the basement.
Is it therefore makes sense to buy at this stage one (SDV) camcorder? Finally, I would annoy me even if I have finally done so for cam to buy one (after wavering between 250 ¬ for the transition up to 1100 ¬ for a HC1).
Perhaps there are to opinions of the market experienced?
Thanks in advance
Greeting
Vincent
Antwort von oliver II:
Hello Vincent!
Have you read those already?
http://forum.slashcam.de/sony-hdr-hc1-oder-panasonic-panasonic-nv-gs500--vt39273.html?highlight=hc1
Antwort von vdp1331:
Yes, I already knew, but honestly I feel the connection between the linked me to my question not very clear (sorry, this can be very well off, that I have overlooked what-if so, to please me klär ..). There will ask u whether an HDV camera in the same price range is synonymous better suited for SDV. This will be answered that HDV is the better format, whereupon two HDV cameras are compared.
Is this supposed to mean to me, I just buy an HC1 and ready? Then my question would remain: now or after the Photokina?
Thank you and sorry for my somewhat provocative and shortened "zasammenfassung" of the link ..
Antwort von oliver II:
There will ask u whether an HDV camera in the same price range is synonymous better suited for SDV. This will be answered that HDV is the better format, whereupon two HDV cameras are compared.
Was first determined whether the HC1 or the NV-GS 500 is the better camera (I had your post to mean that you you're not quite sure whether Sonyoder Panasonic).
I would personally until after the Photokina (wait if I realize no short-term projects), as reduced in the past (perceived) at the new price in the short term at least, have. Since in this area, but constantly comes a new product on the market, you can similar to the computer, go on forever on bargain hunting. At the latest after six months you have Purchased a discontinued model.
Antwort von vdp1331:
Ahh I wanted to hear:) (but I am grateful for other opinions, of course) - sorry if my question was misleadingly worded!
Can you at short notice and before all the amounts in which we might move to clarify something? So they are more like two days or two months and 100 ¬ and 200 ¬?. Silly question I know, but in fact it burns even with me, but for example, 10% savings, I might still wait a month (and then maybe I can buy the HC1)
Incidentally Thanks for your quick reaction and the answers!
Antwort von oliver II:
Sorry, but sowas can be better (not working, I predict neither Sony nor at Panasonic ;-))
Antwort von Axel:
The wise Sparfuchs keeps the prices of popular brands in the eye and rejoices when he once again a loss is avoided. Its ten-year-old Cam he inherited of his godfather, along with his humidor and his electric razor.
The well-informed experts compare makes his choice and then buy from the cheapest dealer with the best conditions. Realistically, he estimates the life of the product to 4-5 on cameras, computers in 2-3 years that are generations between him hang.
The high-tech whiz gets nervous when he misses new developments. Its acquisitions end up on
ebay soon as the next model is released. He is either wealthy or indebted. But always up to date.
Depending on the situation I find myself in all three. Only with HDV, I have my doubts. This is a transition, all this technology disappear, I'll bet. As DV synonymous. What to do?
My advice: A guy and decide to be consistently one or the other. It is not a question of life or death, synonymous not a question of honor, it's just silly to 1000 mice. And we can already look forward to the glorious art of the next year!
Antwort von DjDino (Toth Dominik):
So I see it this way:
An HDV as eg the SonyHC1/HC3 hät the advantage that synonymous in HDV can be printed to tape recorded in DV Cases (s.Firewire) (usual for computer processing and viewing on standard TV sets).
So Hiese: future-proof archived on tape but still as usual at the request synonymous as DV for the "today".
The image quality of HDV camcorder is also synonymous in this HDV -> DV mode works very well, easy compared with a Pana GS500 or something older like Canon Semi-Professional Cam XM1/SonyVX1000, see, for instance. Test pictures to: http://www.videozona.ru/video_tests/hc1-3/
Advantage is synonymous, in contrast to many other vanilla DV camcorders knackscharfe 16:9 mode (because the thing is simply designed to) and the synonymous lowlight characteristics are good, low noise, good and fairly sharp Fraben consistently synonymous with little light.
Now, at this DV quality is not synonymous with HDV devices to get you had to buy one as I already mentioned Pana GS500 or greater value from the price, but what then produces nearly one of of HDV Sonyentspricht.
SonyHC3:
http://www.geizhals.at/deutschland/a189887.html
Pana GS500:
http://www.geizhals.at/deutschland/a183117.html
So you erhällst in place for nearly the same money for the HDV camcorder with future-proof HDV resolution, image quality and the way semiprofimässiger perfect 16:9 mode.
And even if HDV is only a transitional format so it is I think why not just wrong, "Today" set to, because: The higher HDV Resolutionsieht on HD TVs just better or do you want your kids in 10 years, acquaintances, etc . then on an HDTV television (which then in virtually every household is likely to be found), the DV expect Resolutionvon 720x576? Although other high-definition format hitherto considered themselves HDV is komplet have replaced the difference of DV to HDV on a big HDTV set - sometimes going eg in the Saturn, there are sometimes HDV camcorder s.HDTV operated televisions and look at the Image quality an.Auf wish you can then ask someone there, instead, once a pure DV camcorder s.den HDTV Television connect - the difference is huge - I have experienced exactly herself, acts as a DV source is almost like a Pixelbrei - depends of course, synonymous like s.wie big is the picture plane, the larger the worse a DV picture looks to be in par years, but HDTV Television with very large screen diagonals probably not cost much more than current larger PAL-tube cases.
So everything considered together it is really nonsense, today still a more expensive DV camcorder to buy when you get to knap $ 1,000 an HDV with all the mentioned here Vorteilen.Eine cheaper way up to ~ 600 euro may be ok, but I think it is about no longer be reasonably calculated.
Especially because of the SonyHC1/HC3 However, unfortunately, the handling / u.Umst Rooms. a drawback: no manual Focusierring somewhat cumbersome touch-screen menu, no microphone input (Sony Originall-Micros s.Accessory shoe can be used) and, despite its excellent image quality makes it not so professional level optical impression (does not look like the "Henkel class "ala Canon XM2 zb) - that's just convenient and unobtrusive.
Antwort von Axel:
@ DjDino:
Your plea is compelling. Who can do something about improving Resolutionhaben? Also, the price of petrol HC1/HC3 skin Normalfilmer to yet.
The higher HDV Resolutionsieht on HDTV devices simply better or do you want your kids in 10 years, acquaintances, etc. then on an HDTV television (which then in virtually every household is likely to be found), the DV expect Resolutionvon 720x576? But here we are talking about the emperor's new clothes. None because it usually does, I must strike a sharper sound, the sake of clarity: For almost 60 years of amateur film her family. The possession of Super8 (or even - oh horror! - Normal 8) family movies was some embarrassing because you had to present to them to build a ridiculous equipment fleet, darken, roll up canvas, etc. Pretty uncool and not without reason, virtually extinct. The material could not be rescued after VHS, synonymous later on DVD. And although the physical Resolutionvon located above the Super 8 of DV, the picture is much worse impression for several reasons.
The price of the footage in its brevity (just under 3 minutes silent film cost between 10 and 15 dollars), and by the mid-70s, the lack of sound, but forced the amateurs cinematic thinking, with the result that the films were shorter and richer in content. Under this aspect better.
With cool modern presentation you forget the technical "properties" (for all I care
deficiencies) when watching a cine to DVD soon, if true to its content. Because it is so that people are looking for
meaning in a story. The importance of a feature film Resolutionist low, as is confirmed by scientific experiments and over again. At a
family film, it is surely sowas of no preference, how many crumbs can be counted on whether the baby's chin or old photo wallpaper was screened. The movie is called: Baby eats a biscuit, followed by the Seychelles.
In Super8 (the rattle of the camera acts like a taxi meter, time is money!) Would be the minimum information content for a 5 sec set, then cut to his delighted aunts from baby perspective. In an agonizing wait HDV, that baby something funny with the ladyfingers hires ...
HDV is for the performance of the contents of a recording another step backwards in Comparison to DV:
" Increased depth of field in addition to up to 5x higher resolution picture sharpness = An unnatural
without focus (ie focal point for focus, and is gone!)
" Difficulty of follow-up - at today's standard
" Technical equipment of the HDV subclass corresponds to the lower half of the timber class in DV:
Especially because of the SonyHC1/HC3 However, unfortunately, the handling / u.Umst Rooms. a drawback: no manual Focusierring somewhat cumbersome touch-screen menu, no microphone input (Sony Originall-Micros s.Accessory shoe can be used) and, despite its excellent image quality makes it not so professional level optical impression (does not look like the "Henkel class "ala Canon XM2 zb) - that's just convenient and unobtrusive. Nevertheless, it may be a family film makers recommend this little Sony. People think, contrary to all facts and with better knowledge hysterisieren the Auflösungslüge too but I mies.
Antwort von Wiro:
Hmmm --
rather a "guest", which is indeed clever of you to repeat the posting as a quote, but it is not helpful.
What you order is the aim?
Gruss Wiro
Antwort von DjDino (Toth Dominik):
HDV is for the performance of the contents of a recording another step backwards in Comparison to DV:
" Increased depth of field in addition to up to 5x higher resolution picture sharpness = An unnatural without focus (ie focal point for focus, and is gone!)
" Difficulty of follow-up - at today's standard
" Technical equipment of the HDV subclass corresponds to the lower half of the timber class in DV
First: To (eg the focal point of the audience forced to faces made by knackscharf before they are blurred background) is too great a depth of behavior is certainly not good, but has great depth of field, of course, synonymous benefits - but you're right if you think that this still wirkt.Man can counteract the rather unatürlich but yes synonymous with HDV by very low Abstandt the camcorder to the standing in the foreground object (thereby increasing the background) is blurred - it always have to make to more extreme manner is of course not as sharp resolution bequem.Hohe synonymous unatürlich can contribute, but there are indeed other hand, eg Blur filter.
Due to the second: Of course it is difficult with today's computers, as is usually the only movie editing in DV editing Format.Erschwerte So "today" yes, but who (which is recommended) is the film in the HDV format can be backed up to tape is in may have 5 years safe as synonymous now upgraded its cut-calculator, and then no longer a problem is the archived rauszuholen HDV tapes again, edit, and then (for re Presäntation) on previously available Blu-ray or HD-DVD to burn . The process is renewed then unfortunately require much work at the shoot quite a few that have accumulated, which is certainly stupid.
For the third, I see it quite well (with the technical equipment of the scant HDV)-subclass.
Because your other text, I think it's synonymous of Qualitätswahn can probably often forget what it's during the shooting for the consumer but probably actually: Simply beautiful, memorable, special moments, "recognizable" I festhalten.Wenn eg my grandmother once was to show videos of their grandchildren it is probably very little interest to them whether that is in HDV or whatever shows they recognize this way or that everything on video and is looking forward enough.
But this is only a Beispiel.Es but is synonymous to what people can show the videos later, they were mostly will.Wenn eg mostly any (() is also tech-savvy enthusiasts, or want to show in 10 years has remained synonymous still freaks), it is certainly no less preference as the picture comes along.
The same as everyone must know yourself, depending on the Publlikum probably later will be weighted.
Antwort von Markus:
rather a "guest", which is indeed clever of you to repeat the posting as a quote, but it is not helpful. Way it is. ;-)
I think this is a very interesting discussion! Axel points out some aspects that apply synonymous to my unease with HDV.
