Frage von c.herf:
Search for a friend .... hab the Sanyo Xacti HD1010 in the eye but the 30p make me a headache if it is something on ne DVD pack wants.
Are alternatives to 400 ¬? Or are the times for 30p on DVD output to neglect?
Thanks and regards ....
Antwort von Yerri:
Maybe here:
http://geizhals.at/deutschland/a327296.html
Antwort von darg:
How fit because "no AVCHD" and the Xacti together? But it's AVCHD (H.264)?
Antwort von Shiranai:
Yes, AVCHD and H.264 are actually the same.
In this price range there are few alternatives synonymous and not even that is not recorded in these formats.
The next alternative would be the Panasonic SD9, for all the other good cams must be at least 100 euros more to spend.
Antwort von LarsProgressiv:
Hello everybody!
No, H.264 and AVCHD are not the same! However, the H.264 video codec for AVCHD, but only in certain versions! However, it can be superficial to assume that the workability with the video programs is comparable.
The HD1010 is the "improved" HD1000, which still had some minor quirks.
Why should the 30 frames / sec for DVD problems? If the player (there is no sensible German word) no 30B / s creates, simply throws every sixth picture away and already has one 25B / s. This can probably every video editing program.
But many DVD player should 30B / s to create. And s.Flachbildfernsehern is always better than any
Antwort von WoWu:
If the player ... no 30B / s creates, simply throws every sixth picture away and already has one 25B / s. If you would be so easy .... Although one can make, but must not complain about the outcome.
Antwort von B.DeKid:
the player (there is no sensible German word) The player (the moving pictures) ...
Antwort von LarsProgressiv:
Hello WoWu,
If the player ... no 30B / s creates, simply throws every sixth picture away and already has one 25B / s.
If you would be so easy .... Although one can make, but must not complain about the outcome. where is the problem? I like to learn. But short of such teasing, I can not know it - unfortunately.
Clarification 'on us!
Good night
Lars
Antwort von WoWu:
But Lars,
... this is obvious and should really be no teasing.
If you move from one end (; no preference how many) images herausnimmst without the remaining motion to interpolate, flick it s.den bodies of the missing images.
Time, aside from that the sound should be adjusted.
Unfortunately, one for the conversion of 30 to 25 is not such unspeakable interpolations around ... which, except for a few good hardware largely fails.
(; But .. no offense .. should not be teasing.)
Antwort von domain:
WoWu absolutely correct.
I was already 5 years ago with my first Fuji Digiknipse noticed the VGA with 30 fps delivers. The home slowly passing tram made in 25 fps NLE six times per second, a small jump forward, which I was not quite able to explain, now I know why. Beyond the 30 fps in Europe, if not changed will be absolutely professional and so are all 30 fps cameras Bride, of whom so geschwärmt is my view now for our realm is not really usable.
This applies even to a limited extent synonymous for Pana GH-1, whose ten eighties yes i format seems to be 25 or 24 fps (NTSC) hochfrisiert be.
Antwort von WoWu:
Hello domain
yes, with the 24 is synonymous in Europe such a thing because in practice on the interlace 3:2 pulldown in every 2nd and 3, the Picture Halbbildanteile from different frames and not, as actually needed from one and the same Picture.
Even with the internal 60 Hz tolerated the monitors are 24 images do not really, because the monitor actually a picture of 60p. There must be bucking!
Quite bad it is for the HDMI connections, where the monitor EDID on the player indicates that he can 24p. Emergence of errors in the handshake, the player is not from 24 more. The screen remains dark.
As before, everything, except the right format crutch and a rather unfortunately, the Manufacturer's not on the European market inserted.
Antwort von LarsProgressiv:
Hi!
So this is with the bucking me now while theroretisch clear, but if I was in a video would really notice? I'll look at the next opportunity to try.
But that an interpolation of the movement, which leads to vermatchten images really better for our eyes? Maybe. I can not compare, or there are examples in this network?
In the video lab course, you can see some things in practice but is not relevant.
That with the 30B / s I still do not see a problem, because should the current hardware, such as WoWu writes, difficulties in the negotiation of format between player and screen that is the rather s.den equipment, as s.einem bad format the recording. And all the hardware it can not legally do. Garnicht Even if you have a limited budged.
I'm with the 30p and 60p even very satisfied. However, I must synonymous say that I have no television and everything s.Computermonitor chart.
Only some old Leuchstoff or other gas to make the shooting an unbecoming flickering, but this rarely occurs.
What stunned me is the thing with the 24ms at 25B / s and 20ms at 30B / s. That's a typo, right? I was always so far without any breaks between the images with 40ms at 25B / s.
Regards
Lars
Antwort von Shiranai:
So this is with the bucking me now while theroretisch clear, but if I was in a video would really notice? The notice not later than when you pan or things in a steady motion past. Try a try, lad dir at 30p a Vimeo clip in which direction is it in and conversion 25p.
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Lars
I'm with the 30p and 60p even very satisfied It is synonymous to 30/60p nothing, so if you consistently work, quite the contrary, the problems are just only when it is in a 25/50 Hz off world wants.
With the 20/24 you have of course completely right, it must read 40/33 ms. Sorry.
Antwort von Quadruplex:
yes, with the 24 is synonymous in Europe such a thing because in practice on the interlace 3:2 pulldown in every 2nd and 3, the Picture Halbbildanteile from different frames and not, as actually needed from one and the same Picture. Mr. W.: Da geht ja mal wieder alles confused ...
24p (vulgo: movie) is in NTSC-TV broadcasting (ie with 60 or exactly 59.94 Hz / i) and NTSC-VHS (or LD): The movie is 3:2 pulldown to 60-Hertz fitted grids. This jerky the movie more than the movie, in panning can tear contours. On NTSC DVDs are 24p such as stored (exactly: 23.976), but the player makes when playing it at 3:2 pulldown again 60i signal. A direct output of 24p for DVD is not planned.
In PAL-or 50-Hz countries, the film (ie 24p) at 25 frames / second speeds - and then a TV film frame image. Exception of the rule: the past, there was probably Filmabtaster that are not always clean halbbildverkoppelt were. Then could it be that a film image in the second half of a TV Volbilds and put in the first half of the TV image. In 'its ollen Glotze tube is not disturbed, but can be flat TVs or other de-Interlacer bring into stumbling.
In other words, 3:2-pulldown plays on traditional media in Europe is irrelevant. (Exception: U.S. film imports on NTSC-media).
Even with the internal 60 Hz tolerated the monitors are 24 images do not really, because the monitor actually a picture of 60p. There must be bucking! This comes on the screen at. On typical PC monitor, this might be so. In modern flat TVs is absolutely no problem. If Blu-ray of 24p occurs, which - depending on the model - with 48 or 96 Hz Since many older flat-TV internal synonymous with only 60 Hertz is running, are Blu-ray player s.Werk so that from 24p via 3:2 pulldown to 60 Hz and this issue. One must therefore once the menu 24p Playback Enable.
Quite bad it is for the HDMI connections, where the monitor EDID on the player indicates that he can 24p. Emergence of errors in the handshake, the player is not from 24 more. The screen remains dark. No - this is not an issue s.modernen TVs. Differences exist only in the 24p-representation.
And again,
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Quadruplex
The movie is 3:2 pulldown to 60-Hertz-fitted grid. This jerky the movie more than the movie, in panning can tear contours. On NTSC DVDs are 24p such as stored (exactly: 23.976), but the player makes when playing it at 3:2 pulldown again 60i signal. A direct output of 24p for DVD is not planned.
Hab'ich written anything else?
Previously, there was probably Filmabtaster that are not always clean halbbildverkoppelt were. Then could it be that a film image in the second half of a TV Volbilds and put in the first half of the TV image. In 'its ollen Glotze tube is not disturbed, but can be flat TVs or other de-Interlacer bring into stumbling. A detailed study of the 3:2 pulldown interlaced in the environment shows that in every 2nd and 3rd Picture the Halbbildreihenfolge originating from different images taken will thus no longer be true ...
(not just "early" because s.Verfahren has not changed and limited to Filmabtaster is the 3:2 pulldown method not synonymous)
Nevertheless, thank you for this little excursion into the past of the NTSC analog TV broadcasting ....
Antwort von Quadruplex:
Hab'ich written anything else? Here:
yes, with the 24 is synonymous in Europe such a thing because in practice on the interlace 3:2 pulldown in every 2nd and 3, the Picture Halbbildanteile from different frames and not, as actually needed from one and the same Picture. The 3:2 pulldown play in Europe only in the more exotic cases, "NTSC-source" or "Blu-ray player s.nicht 24p-enabled (or multiples thereof) Screen" a role.
Nevertheless, thank you for this little excursion into the past of the NTSC analog TV broadcasting .... It helps when you can.
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Quadruplex
What is the matter with a
rather exotic .... "NTSC-source" mean? And why is that when an analog (NTSC) Source different?
And why should a 3:2 pulldown interlaced in a procedure analog sources differ?
It is clear that in this process a mix of interlaced and segmented frame is the time now is tainted with artifacts.
And not just in
rather exotic .... "NTSC-source" Why is it so difficult to understand, a 3:2 pulldown is a standardized procedure, which always runs in the same way. I use it, the described effects on whether the Quadruplex now fits or not. Therefore, the SMPTE Shear not really. (and incidentally I do not synonymous).
I recommend very strongly because, once with the 3:2 interlaced Pulldownverfahren in the environment, to employ.
