Frage von volleyballer:
Hello,
I've logged a little extra advice to get more informed. I take my team for our volleyball games on video for later analysis.
Because the pictures of our current mini-DV camera (Panasonic something) so poorly are superior to us a new camera zuzulegen.
That should of course an HD model, I have a FullHD enabled synonymous Television and the PC can afford.
It is important for us:
- 2.5 hours recording capacity
- High frame rate at times synonymous with SlowMotion what can be recognized
- Good recording synonymous with poor indoor lighting ( "bunker with fluorescent lighting")
- Price Limit (internet purchase) max. 800 euros
I have viewed my tests of the Canon HG 10 and the comparable Sony model. A built-in hard disk, however, I think actually detrimental, even for power, because of weight and then finally, because the camera synonymous times a ball can abkriegen (happens sometimes) and if the plate then crasht ... ?
So, I found the Canon HF100 of very good, but am worried if 16 GB SDHC enough for 2.5 hours at max. Framerate.
What models are under consideration?
Is this what I want at all realistic for the price?
Antwort von Bernd E.:
HF100 ... ... but I do worry whether 16 GB SDHC enough for 2.5 hours at max. Framerate ... Does the HF100 because with different frame rates for recording? The data size is likely more of the selected Resolutionbzw. Data depend. You'll find, but on the Canon website, the manual that came with the HF100, so that at least the question of the maximum recording time to answer it.
Antwort von Daigoro:
Is this what I want at all realistic for the price? No..
Actually, for any price in the world, because what you imagine (one high Bewegungsaufloesung other low-light) does not work.
And there is no Schmetterbaelle gegendonnern Camera permanent fans - already garnicht when se umkippt times.
Samsung HMX 10 may be up to 60fps at 720p resolution - but otherwise has a rather weak picture.
Otherwise, simply HF100 with 50i record - this is actually more than the movement from about 50% to slow down.
Antwort von robbie:
Is this what I want at all realistic for the price? No..
The cheapest model, the engine stopped me, the EX1, and since you already pay over 5000 for it.
Perhaps you should refrain from HD, and you a used, better computer models to buy.
Antwort von KrischanDO:
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The cheapest model, the engine stopped me, the EX1, ... So mittee is solid but not synonymous.
What really make the colleagues from the television cameras with their big s.Rande football fields?
Regards
Christian
Antwort von Daigoro:
What really make the colleagues from the television cameras with their big s.Rande football fields?
Quick run away (and probably a good insurance). :)
Could you at the last World Cup so partly to see how the poor guys with their cameras auf'm Stabilisierungsgeraet s.Spielfeldrand along gehechtet are - I've been watching from the muscles get.
Antwort von volleyballer:
Hm, I need something to revise.
A certain minimum intensity is required (I think 800 lux 1 m above the pitch). We do not play by candlelight ...
I have in the review of the Canon halt read that the picture quality in low-light "is worse than some other model and wanted to know whether the indoor fluorescent lighting is already synonymous or rather twilight outside.
For the Note with the 50i mode, I am ever grateful.
The user manual is available for 8GB of storage in the second-best quality 1 hour 25 min. With 16GB therefore twice as much.
As I take time but s.dass for 25 frames / sec. applies.
Furthermore, the compression is so dependent on image content ... Am I right in assuming that moving images are much less can compress?
And with the ball, wrap: We provide the camera tripod with either a box or behind the grandstand, a direct impact is probably rather rare (and then a case for the insurance).
I want to stay at HD, which is ultimately the future. However, I consider whether I am on the waiting HF S100, which has a larger sensor and a larger Optics, where I as a layman would say now that it would let more light * ggg *
Antwort von KrischanDO:
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And with the ball, wrap: We provide the camera tripod with either a box or behind the grandstand, a direct impact is probably rather rare (and then a case for the insurance).
... Then I would not build. Given the likely exclusion of "gross negligence" very close.
Regards
Christian
Antwort von domain:
Kannst dir ja mal synonymous, the JVC GZ HD30 watch the recording time when hard drive is not an issue anyway. I can assure you that it has light to that of the known bright-FX1 Sony equal, only the color separation is not so good, everything themselves tested.
The light is synonymous in many test reports highlighted as:
"We shot some test footage in a variety of situations - outdoors in bright conditions, outdoors in less than sunny conditions and light indoors s.the what fasding. Surprisingly, it was not just the outdoor shots that were good; those taken in darker interiors resolved very well - well enough for the majority of users and perhaps good enough for some serious users s.well. " Records also in Full-HD mpeg2 and on what is easy to edit. Otherwise, nothing extraordinary and quite chaotic design, but who cares.
Antwort von deti:
I have in the review of the Canon halt read that the picture quality in low-light "is worse than some other model and wanted to know whether the indoor fluorescent lighting is already synonymous or rather twilight outside.
Hm .. is currently in this class only the model number of JVC gz-hd30/40 better in low-light features. Sony, Panasonic, etc. are far worse.
Furthermore, the compression is so dependent on image content ... Am I right in assuming that moving images are much less can compress?
So if you play videos on the analysis of the full Wide Angle Published aufnehmt, then rich synonymous 5Mbit / s. A 16Gbyte card ranges incidentally for 2.5 h at 17Mbit / s.
I'm using the training in climbing techniques for motion analysis, a Canon HF-100 in dim indoor climbing and bouldering room lighting. If you are interested in how the results look like, can I give you an example upload.
Deti
Antwort von volleyballer:
An example would be of course very beautiful.
Was synonymous in some indoor climbing and it is not exactly shining bright
As far as the quality is concerned: At the current standard - video, I have even difficulties to the back numbers to detect, because it must be quite an area of 9m pitch covered and the resolution Is it not enough.
From the previous remarks, I will explain the HF100 or (if the budget but should hergeben) RF S100 probably continue as a favorite in mind - I've ne synonymous of Canon digital SLR and am with function and Service quite satisfied.
Antwort von beiti:
For the Note with the 50i mode, I am ever grateful.
The user manual is available for 8GB of storage in the second-best quality 1 hour 25 min. With 16GB therefore twice as much.
As I take time but s.dass for 25 frames / sec. applies. All modes of HF100 work in 50i. There is no mode where for capacity reasons a lower frame rate would be elected. However, the representation of motion with greater compression worse, and in all modes except the best Resolutionvon the outset to 1440 x 1080 is reduced.
Kannst ja with a 16-GB card, and start being the second best mode take, and then in half a year or so, if the prices have something to give, nor a 32-GB card to buy.
As far as the quality is concerned: At the current standard - video, I have even difficulties to the back numbers to detect, because it must be quite an area of 9m pitch covered and the resolution Is it not enough. As long as the players are not moving, the HD-Resolutionnatürlich toll. However, it is in motion (especially camera movement) very quickly wipe effects, and a lot more violent than in DV. This is s.der Compression.
In your case, it could have a favorable impact that you have the camera fixed on a tripod mount only. If this, for example, 80% of the image area over several frames remains the same, the camera may compress so well, and there is more data left for the movements of individual players.
However, if the lighting is not optimal and the Picture grieselt, it needs just the noise much data rates - and then for good motion resolution is missing.
Antwort von deti:
An example would be of course very beautiful.
Was synonymous in some indoor climbing and it is not exactly shining bright
Please Schön
As far as the quality is concerned: At the current standard - video, I have even difficulties to the back numbers to detect, because it must be quite an area of 9m pitch covered and the resolution Is it not enough.
That should be possible, provided the players with their backs at the right angle, for a short time still, the camera stand ;-)
From the previous remarks, I will explain the HF100 or (if the budget but should hergeben) RF S100 probably continue as a favorite in mind - I've ne synonymous of Canon digital SLR and am with function and Service quite satisfied. The S100 RF, I would be careful, because the sensor in 8MPixel to a factor of 2.3 has smaller pixels than the HF100 and thus probably more noisy than the old model. The HF100 is certainly a bargain and it will certainly be lifted once the new models come onto the market.
Deti
Antwort von Shiranai:
The JVC camcorder will be in low light better than the Canon HF100?
So when I look at the test here and pictures to video to watch activities, cut the JVC models but not that much better (for video asset actually worse). Video Active evaluated the low-light quality of the HF100 with good, incidentally, the GZ HD 30 was only satisfactory.
Generally I would say you need for indoor lighting synonymous but not particularly great low-light camcorder. The light in most halls are far better than the 08/15 lounge lighting, should be sufficient.
I would just HF100 in the internet and try it - after you have 2 weeks return right.
Depending on lighting conditions, it would perhaps synonymous Samsung HMX10 do with the 50 frames / sec. territorialization.
Bzgl. blurring the images in sports but you can certainly synonymous with the Shuttereinstellungen considerably.
Antwort von volleyballer:
That the major part of the image is static (tripod, indoor environment) disagrees.
deti @: Thank you for the test recording, looks really good from synonymous with Schummerlicht.
I got the JVC GZHD6EX times in the shop, but because they think the hard drive too hard, although the lens is impressive in size and the solution with 3 sensors einleuchtet me technically.
But I have a super-offer for the Canon HF 100 with bag and 32GB SDHC card for 700 euros and there will probably strike. Or do you if the HF 100 rauskommt S is the price again?
