Frage von Neuling 568:
Hi @ all
I hope you can send me to my questions technically correct answers. Effects after a few conversations with Media Markt and Co. now that sellers have the most diverse heard. First to my situation. At the moment I stand before the purchase of a camcorder. Firstly because I have been a few years playing with this idea and, secondly, because now comes up. The first question to me the question whether a normal or have a digital HD. Momenaten I have no HD hardware. Neither television nor DVD player or something else. The devices work synonymous all still very good and are about 5-8 years old. It is not my computer with the latest 1.8 GHz AMD Athlon processor and 1 gb RAM. I would just like to film my child said, all holidays, festivals, ... After editing, I would actually not very much. Instead of just the cam to the PC and of there to a DVD burn. Now I am a seller of an HD Camera to come, because that is the future and the other to a normal digital because it takes me the better. What can you do with your experience to say. Since I geschäflt. ever been on your training for surveillance cameras, was entirely cleared of the CCD and 3-fold compared to the CCD CMOS rated. Furthermore, Image Stabilization are important. For medium, I had my first for a HDD then for an SD and now actually but again ruled for a HDD. The price segment, I have ordered up to 600 euro. What can you give me tips. Here I would like you to say what synonymous Cams moment I would buy. In a normal digital it would be the Panasonic SDR H250 or 280 (although I can see no difference except for the pixels for photos) or the Sonydcr sr190. For the HD cams would be priced just panasonichdc SD5 interesting. still am for your expertise with a kaufberateung very grateful.
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Antwort von beiti:
Clearly advises the seller to HD, because he deserves it more. ;)
About the quality of advice in the various markets is already so much has been written. The short version of it: Forget it!
The problem with HD is that there are higher demands s.Deinen calculator provides, if you just synonymous with SD resolution cutting and want to burn DVDs. This is particularly true for the models, which AVCHD - Standard and are working on hard drive or card. You could the material before processing runterkonvertieren on SD, but it takes on older computers is quite long.
Other hand, should you have to ask if you are not in a few years but like the young in better resolution would like to view. HD would be, at least for the archive already beautiful - if it is at this time to edit the videos would not be difficult.
The best so would compromise the HDV system, because the HDV camcorder to their material output to normal DV runterkonvertieren can, which is synonymous with older computers and fine cut comfortably on DVD can bring. Nevertheless, could you have the tapes with the quality of the original archive to make them perhaps in a few years when you get up to that a HD-TV, a faster Calculator and possibly a Blu-Ray player, you further.
Of course, the tapes of HDV system "outdated", but at present (and synonymous in your specific situation) is still a very good choice.
Antwort von Videoexpress:
I agree with the contribution of "beiti" entirely.
I would thee synonymous to a HDV Camera advice.
- Canon HV20 or HV30
-SonyHDR-HC5, HC7 or HC9
... where I already SonyHC5 for less than 600, - Euro for Internet service providers have seen.
It is synonymous with your PC simply being in DV to cut and burn to a DVD or the film cut back on output tape (tape edition goes only to the SonyHC5 not).
So, if it somehow fits into the budget, to a multi-HDV Camera!
Greeting
Video Express
Antwort von Neuling 568:
Hello, first thank you for your answers.
But what I know now not quite understand, there are two things.
First, it is here in the forum with the theme for buying new, that if the quality of an HD Camera runterkonvertiert the quality deteriorates more than in a normal digital. Furthermore, it is me with the AVCHD is currently the clear kritischte format. But why can not I be a normal HDD Cam in HD and use the runterkonvertieren? Or Is a MiniDV Cam format again another? So as I said, cut and edit, I do not think that I very much would like to whom ever. Furthermore takes synonymous but the play on the movie of a DV Cam to PC as they do in real time. What does DV in / out. The SonyHDR-HC has already gone into this. Oh one more thing, have read that DV is much space on your PC needs.
Antwort von Neuling 568:
Again a small question. Since I always read a lot of fingers due to the difficult editing of HD or AVCHD to how it looks in my case. If I now simply wants to shoot and only on the PC wants to play and burn? Is there MiniDV (HDV) is still the best? Or would a HDD or SD in HD again worthwhile? Thank you
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... What does DV in / out ... DV OUT: dubbing of the video via firewire from the camcorder to the Calculator (now possess all MiniDV camcorder)
DV-IN: the same in the opposite direction from the calculator tape in your camcorder (important eg for archiving of the finished film in the best possible quality). Have not all MiniDV camcorder because of the import into Europe to higher taxation, which the camera more expensive.
... have read that a lot of computer space required on the PC ... So bad it's not, and in today's disk sizes or prices actually synonymous long no longer an issue: 1 hour DV occupy about 13 GB.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... Issue Volume is only in the SonyHC5 not ... Why hang about? DV - In the HC5, so should the tape back to work already.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von beiti:
First, it is here in the forum with the theme for buying new, that if the quality of an HD Camera runterkonvertiert the quality deteriorates more than in a normal digital. In general, material that is of HD to SD runterkonvertiert was even significantly better than the quality of most pure SD camcorder. One must be careful how you converted, if the software does with worse, the quality of course suffer.
Especially the Sony HDV camcorder, but are known to the conversion to DV in a very high quality carry.
The fact that the SD runterkonvertierte material never quite as good as the original HD can be, is indeed of itself
But why can not I be a normal HDD Cam in HD and use the runterkonvertieren? That you can know, but you have to live with that on your calculator to convert quite a long time (because the Cam itself can not convert, you must always have the full HD material on your calculator and get there via software to edit). On the other hand is a real-time playback of HDV, the camera has a DV output runterkonvertiert, right quick.
In both cases you will s.Ende an encoding into MPEG2 for the DVD to make them. It takes synonymous nor its time (in good quality on your calculator a multiple of the season).
If I now simply wants to shoot and only on the PC wants to play and burn? Is there MiniDV (HDV) is still the best? Or would a HDD or SD in HD again worthwhile? If you have a HD-Cam want is HDV with DV Output for your purpose, a better choice than AVCHD. It would work, as I said, synonymous with AVCHD - but then did you hold still long computing times, because then your calculator to convert down alone must cope with.
If you are on an SD-Cam restrict synonymous to a hard disk-Cam into question. The draw directly into MPEG2, which can with appropriate software, without further transformation can burn to DVD. Ideally, this is the quickest way to DVD - synonymous faster than going through DV, DV because it is so for the DVD is still in MPEG2 encoding. (There are even solutions with external DVD burners, so that will not even need a PC.)
It remains only the question of whether you're in five or ten years ärgerst, if you comfort now in SD to hard drive and then have filmed on your big flat-screen televisions note that the quality of the images is more modest.
Would you (as proposed) in HDV filming, you could then your archived tapes rausholen and finally in full HD quality advantage.
Again briefly summarized: If you ways to smooth processing of the camera until the DVD arrives, must leave a hard camcorder to SD resolution Take, directly into DVD-compliant MPEG2 recording.
If you "future proof" with HD resolution films like, HDV is the easiest and fastest way. You can synonymous in filming and AVCHD material s.Computer runterkonvertieren, but it extends the overall processing time next.
Antwort von Neuling 568:
Can you give me maybe time for converting to?
Alos the first time dubbing of MiniDV to PC. I think since last 80min recordings synonymous 80min. or? With HDD or SD probably realativ fast (USB or Firewire?). Furthermore, how long does it take to convert a MiniDV to DVD quality and of a cam in HD DVD.
Currently I tend to a normal digital cam with HDD or SD. Sounds to me s.logischten for me. Easy to play on and immediately burn. That one just then later the material is not in HD quality can watch is already clear. But at a private think film is synonymous not so bad. There are many more memories s.die time. Nevertheless, the times I would be interested.
Antwort von beiti:
Alos the first time dubbing of MiniDV to PC. I think since last 80min recordings synonymous 80min. or? Yes, exactly. It runs in real time.
With HDD or SD probably realativ fast (USB or Firewire?). Depends of the capabilities of the USB ports on the camcorder, but it is in any case faster than real time. The video data is in the highest AVCHD quality at just under 2 MB / sec. (The data rate of hard disks in standard-resolution camcorders is much lower again.)
When my good SD card to get with card reader as to approximately 20 MB / sec transfer rate. So in AVCHD would be one tenth of the season in the calculator, and video in standard resolution even faster.
Furthermore, how long does it take to convert a MiniDV to DVD quality and of a cam in HD DVD. How long the conversion takes depends on the encoder used, the adjusted conversion quality and course of the calculation speed of your computer. The basis of DV-AVI (= incoming MiniDV) should go a bit faster than the basis of AVCHD, because it must be so on the occasion nor runterskaliert, which slows the process next.
I have an Athlon 64 3500 + with 2 GB of RAM and use the encoder as the Canopus ProCoder Express. If I choose the fastest option, the encoding approximately 1.2 x real-time, ie 80 minutes video will take 66 minutes to encode. If I but the highest quality and 2-Pass Encoding choose, the process slows down to 0.3 x real-time, ie 80 minutes then do video rendering time 266 minutes. On your (slower) calculator, the time required for 50 to 100% higher.
Currently I tend to a normal digital cam with HDD or SD. Sounds to me s.logischten for me. Easy to play on and immediately burn. Time among us: If you really do not lay emphasis on HD and really not a big post-planning, you're with a hard-or SD-card camcorder in standard resolution is not underserved.
You should be but before you purchase then make inquiries as to whether the DVD-creation with the desired model and the associated software works really smoothly. (I have no experience with hard disks and camcorders because you can only help in theory.)
Antwort von wolfgang:
So for AVCHD editing is the PC mentioned above too weak, even the HDV editing is hardly feasible.
Either you konvertierst of an HDV device actually DV, and cut and burn DV. Then you hold no HD quality.
Or maybe you stay at a DV device.
Or maybe you Take a AVCHD device, and you lay one of the available external burner, which is for accessories such as a camcorder there. This is - no editing - an AVCHD DVD which many Blu Ray players can play quite high.
Antwort von Neuling 568:
Again thanks for your help.
So now either an HD or MiniDV but just a normal digital but HDD or SD.
Can you give me a good program that I mentioned would need if I have the HD movie on a DVD burn MiniDV want.
How would you decide?
Antwort von wolfgang:
I would choose high resolution, but it has yet not necessarily the right solution for you - but also for tape and HDV! Around the Canon HV30.
If you are in the output from the HDV camcorder to SD runterkonvertierst, the thing probably go with existing equipment - advantage is that the recording in HDV usually a nice quality advantage compared to the recording in SD.
Want to play in HD and maybe cut - what the medium is qualitatively better way, because you're the HD Resolutionerhältst - then Auchter synonymous to the follow-up investment for a complete processing chain in HD. Do not make - is so synonymous gradually. Because:
Want to play high-resolution, then need a HDTV (Full HD or HD-Ready), a high possibility of playing as either a Blu Ray player (PS3 for example, or synonymous Samsung 1400, or Sony300) or an HD-capable hard disk player (TViX-HD approximately).
Your PC you need to probably upgrade sometime, but if you want high resolution cut. Then comes another for HDV editing program to match, since there are now enough.
And some want to own AVCHD DVDs have synonymous still need an HD-capable authoring tool (such as Ulead Movie 6 + distillery with HD pack). Medium term is probably a Blu Ray burner, as a temporary solution maybe go to the normal AVCHD DVDs burned DVDs still synonymous.
Antwort von beiti:
Can you give me a good program that I mentioned would need if I have the HD movie on a DVD burn MiniDV want. If you have the HDV Cam so that they have their output Firewire DV output, just a simple program for DV editing (such as Pinnacle Studio or Ulead Video Studio - SE version on eBay for around 10 euros).
And of course your computer needs a Firewire input (if does not exist: there is already below 10 dollars to retrofit).
Antwort von Carina:
SD is still quite ok - who thinks it is just to the year 2020 and will then s.den his nasty pimples toddlers looking to HDV so extreme abundantly density.
Apart from 2020's security again with something new, probably Super-HD or similar.
SD shows but in fact synonymous sharp images - or you see televisions in Euern the program or your DVDs all blurred?
Antwort von beiti:
SD shows but in fact synonymous sharp images - or you see televisions in Euern the program or your DVDs all blurred? Since I have an LCD TV with 80 cm diagonal have (and synonymous relatively close davorsitze), I would wish, in fact, a sharper picture.
Antwort von Carina:
Since I have an LCD TV with 80 cm diagonal have (and synonymous relatively close davorsitze), I would wish, in fact, a sharper picture. ... ... This is synonymous so Schmarrn that one right then sharp looks almost exactly measured only at a distance.
Since it is curious as to what is still so everything in "meaningful" changes to the market.
In addition, the in 1.2 years, but once again quite different if the over-quoted 'biggest recession since 1929 "us real deadline. Then iss nix maybe more continuously with the latest, expensive technology purchase. Then it will be good with so many HD pieces into pawnshop must bear.
Antwort von beiti:
... ... This is synonymous so Schmarrn that one right then sharp looks almost exactly measured only at a distance. This is not Schmarrn, and if you ever tested in practice had, you would know yourself.
Of course HD is pointless if one from 5 feet distance on a small television watching. But the TVs are getting bigger, and the demands grow. My Television is today's "only" 80 inches tall and my eyes are when I sit on the sofa, about 2.30 meters away from the screen. The Picture on DVD player and DVB-S receiver from this distance is still very good, no question. But higher resolution power in any case a positive impact, if I have the DVD player and HDMI photos (so far my only HD source), is already a huge leap compared to PAL resolution. And when I consider in a few years I get the same money for a 106er Television or 112, then I would no longer SD resolution must look (except, perhaps, than runterskaliertes window so the quality is still bearable).
Antwort von Carina:
... ... If I consider in a few years I get for the same money or a 106er Television ... ... 112 How much would the euro be? ... ... ... ... ... ...
I'm skeptical that the majority of the population in the next few years to purchase an expensive device is. Maybe only 10 or 20 percent of all households / businesses.
Antwort von Jan:
First, it is here in the forum with the theme for buying new, that if the quality of an HD Camera runterkonvertiert the quality deteriorates more than in a normal digital. This is quite rare (1-5%), and if you think my contribution, which focused on the practical test of the Active Video Magazine.
There was the Model SonyHDR FX 7 downkonvertiert on SD and the testers were in this (and only this model) the view that PAL direktaufgenommenes material looked a bit better. When sister model - the FX 1 - it was exactly the other way described.
VG
Jan
Antwort von beiti:
How much would the euro be? ... ... ... ... ... ...
I'm skeptical that the majority of the population in the next few years to purchase an expensive device is. I myself would never synonymous me an expensive TV purchase. Last fall, I have 599 euros, and today there are already comparable for 100 euros less. I do not think for a large proportion of the population is prohibitive.
Antwort von Neuling 568:
Understanding another question. I have a Sony TV with rinitron tube. Not think that 16:9 can. Square is normal. Who I am now with the Cam in 16:9 format and then s.Television play, I get it above and below the black bars, as in some films or DVDs. So I need the Cam ne synonymous or 4:3? If I were flying through right now, can the Panasonic H250 did not, but the SonyS190. Can that be.
Antwort von Markus:
I have a Sony TV with rinitron tube. Look, if there is a 16:9-switching there (Not to cover directly behind a s.Gerät). My older Trinitron Television had, although it is a relatively cheap model was.
Who I am now with the Cam in 16:9 format and then s.Television play, I get it above and below the black bars, as in some films or DVDs. For some (all?) 16:9-camcorders can output the image to match the television set, so there should be no problems if you only a 4:3 device.
Antwort von beiti:
For some (all?) 16:9-camcorders can output the image to match the television set, so there should be no problems if you only a 4:3 device. Sony camcorder was the beginning of s.16: 9 synonymous than 4:3 Letterbox output (I think that already, the VX1000), while the older Canon models could not. With Panasonic, I am not sure.
Antwort von Jan:
Both of your candidates are PAL cameras with a 4:3 sensor. Both can record 16:9 and 4:3. In general, the camera class 16:9 Picture preferable, because they bring a good Resolutiondafür.
The Wide Angle When the two models at 16:9 setting synonymous bigger. A "true" 16:9 models but both have not - that remains the high definition cameras reserved.
A multitude of Television have a variety s.Möglichkeiten around with 4:3 or 16:9 to deal routes & black borders etc, about this time, please read the instructions of the TV.
VG
Jan
