Frage von superluke:
Hello,
Create an equal to my one question.
We are 2 students, want to purchase a calculator, which is HD-Videoschnittfähig (Adobe products).
Now we have specifically on HD-DV editing a few can make offers. Our favorite:
Intel Core2Duo E6600 (2 * 2.4 Ghz)
2048MB PC2-800 DDR2 Ram G. SKILL of
G256P PowerColor x1650XT 256mb graphics card
RAID0: 2x 150GB WD Raptor 10.000u/min
System disk: 74GB WD Raptor 10.000U/min
Mainboard: asus P5B P965
The (extra dvd burner and 500W power supply) for 1539 ¬.
What do you think?
As a WinXP Prof Bedriebssystem should be purchased.
I think it gets hard technically better.
Processor based on the cost point is not synonymous terms.
The graphics card?
2GB Ram being rich?
I hope you have a few opinions about this.
Thanks in advance
greetings from Karlsruhe,
Maximilian
Antwort von PowerMac:
I do not know ...
What are the two Raptor? For HDV, too fast, too slow for HD and small. This brings nothing. Lieber price twice for 500 GB.
Personally, I would definitely take a medium / small Mac Pro for the price take. This would be compatible 200/400 euros more, but twice as many cores and Scheller Xeon.
The graphics card is no preference scheiss; under your operating system uses a program hardly the graphics card (except games). Even video editing programs do not. More than 2 GB under Windows bring little, because programs can only max. 2 GB share.
http://forums.creativecow.net/cgi-bin/new_read_post.cgi?forumid=2&postid=867951
What's so beautiful before?
Antwort von XB 70:
PowerMac Hi,
eig we wanted to make sure that we are synonymous with no problems can edit multiple tracks ... (mistake!)
With the 200 or 400 ¬ more for a small Mac Pro is coming to our research, unfortunately, not synonymous out (even with discount Studi still 2000 ¬ in mind inferior equipment).
Since we are still a "better" HDV camcorder want is simply not in our budget there (since we do not necessarily mac-friends are).
What we have before: Durchstarten o) No seriously, we want to try to establish ourselves and for the first "major" orders (at least for us) we need our own equipment.
regards
Antwort von superluke:
Oh well I was just logged in as a guest.
The link is very interesting ... I know not synonymous.
Thank you: o)
Antwort von PowerMac:
(...)
eig we wanted to make sure that we are synonymous with no problems can edit multiple tracks ... (mistake!) (...) The data rate for HDV is about 3 MB / s. Any mediocre plate creates today 30, 40 MB / s. 10 lanes are certainly there.
The Raptors are m. M. after overkill. Prefer to invest in two 500/750er.
Greetings from Karlsruhe
Antwort von superluke:
mh ... our previous assumptions come from this pdf:
http://www.avid.de/de/documents/UnderstandingHD_2.pdf
Thus, we are of a data rate of HDV min 19MB / s is assumed.
We are synonymous assumed that we are with the two in Raid 0 composite plates are then twice the data rate can generate (ie, approximately 140MB / s) and thus synonymous a little ahead for possible changes (both technically and in our order) to within the next 2-3 years again to have to go shopping.
Is really a very comprehensive subject.
For further advice and information, very grateful!
regards
Maximilian
Antwort von PowerMac:
mh ... our previous assumptions come from this pdf:
http://www.avid.de/de/documents/UnderstandingHD_2.pdf
Thus, we are of a data rate of HDV min 19MB / s is assumed. (...) ?
In this PDF there is nothing of 19 MB / s. HDV has 25 MBit MBit/19.
You need no Raptors. Even XDCAM HD is not partly a risk; Uncompressed HD is never possible.
A RAID 0 is not necessarily twice as fast.
Antwort von beiti:
So apparently is HDV, not to uncompressed HD.
For HDV editing holds:
Processor performance as much as possible, at least 2 GB of RAM.
A good single hard drive for video data suffice; Raid is not necessary. A separate disk system, however, can not hurt.
Explanation:
Since the data rate of HDV DV is identical with, hard disks are not the limiting factor (neither in speed nor the storage capacity).
How many tracks in real time are possible, depends very much of the computing power, because the real-time processing of MPEG2 very expensive.
Antwort von david.fejzuli:
Mainboard: asus P5B P965 & RAID0 with the P5B motherboard can with 2 internal HDD no RAID to be, at least not the way it is planning. For RAID must already have a P5B
Deluxe be.
Antwort von wolfgang:
If Adobe Premiere Pro 2 are used, then the graphics card for HDV editing necessarily that of APP entsprchend is supported (a list can be found on the Adobe website). Especially for the HDV preview is by APP relevant.
Fast plates are designed for HDV editing is especially of interest when one such as the Cineform Intermediate cuts - which is 3 to 4x as large as the native m2t material.
Antwort von Uwe:
The graphics card is no preference scheiss; under your operating system uses a program hardly the graphics card (except games). Even video editing programs do not. This is not true. Even Premiere Pro 2.0 + After Effects 7 crucially use the graphics card, if the GPUs + OpenGL support is available.
Here's a good article about this:
http://www.videoguys.com/DIY-GPU.html
Antwort von PowerMac:
And what makes the graphics card in Premiere? Video output, but only a little calculation. After Effects uses a little more of the graphics card, but far from remarkable.
Antwort von david.fejzuli:
Not only P-Pro 2.0 uses the possibilities of the mentioned Uwe GraKa, synonymous Pinnacle Studio 10 Pros, or AVID Liquid and ...
Antwort von Uwe:
And what makes the graphics card in Premiere? From Adobe Page:
"Adobe Premiere Pro 2.0 automatically adjust to take full advantage of the power of your graphics card, accelerating the preview and rendering of motion, opacity, color, and image distortion effects."
And of the linked page of Videoguys (yes, you should at least have time to read):
"Selecting the right graphics card for your NLE workstation is one of the most important decisions you will make."
Antwort von PowerMac:
Always relaxed in the prairie riding. That I have read only what is there on the Videoguys page in the "good article"? Nothing. A Pseudo-Tutorial on superficial level. No evidence, no benchmark, not even alleged experiences. No wonder this is a video-synonymous Dealers.
"Adobe Premiere Pro 2.0 automatically adjust to take full advantage of the power of your graphics card, accelerating the preview and rendering of motion, opacity, color, and image distortion effects."
"Selecting the right graphics card for your NLE workstation is one of the most important decisions you will make."
That is advertising.
Antwort von Uwe:
Always relaxed in the prairie ride ... Then ride times beautifully loose ... But do not forget you on a bit more about the context of good graphics cards + certain NLE's information:)
Antwort von Valentino:
Hi
is recommended for Adobe Premiere RT.x2 a Matrox card. This allows HDV synonymous via an external monitor via DVI or YUV are displayed in realtime.
The PowerMac hard, I can only agree with the best records are the DV editing rather Maxtor and then a system with a 160GB disk and two 250 or 500 Gb disks as RAID 0
Would make her the Calculator from the 0815 computer shop assemble or is the system of video eimem dealer?
The motherboard and the two WD disks are more likely to be in games computing is not installed in video and computers.
Alone in the noise of the two Raptor in DV editing is more of a hindrance.
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
I have dual monitor operating with a Pro at P-2.0 compatible graphics card set up. So I see also the preview HDV on my 2nd monitor.
Antwort von Valentino:
Hi Bruno
synonymous then you see what, if you want the material aufnimmst?
So one of a non-Matrox graphics card may be replaced, but each should be clear.
Apart from that, I do not have a dual monitor operation intentioned but a preview monitor. It is a dual monitor operation is still possible, but not the same as the YUV Asugang Matrox supplies.
There are in the dual monitor operation usually the problem is the TFT monitor with 60Hz run, but the material consists of 50 fields.
Antwort von PowerMac:
I have dual monitor operating with a Pro at P-2.0 compatible graphics card set up. So I see also the preview HDV on my 2nd monitor. That is surely even an Intel GMA 950th
Antwort von david.fejzuli:
So I did it even before Uwe posted - and of course it is true that the graphics cards of APP be used if these are compatible with APP. Dismiss this as an advertisement does not make sense, and is not a useful piece of advice for someone who wants a system to interpret. So please for the GraKa on the information of Adobe's sure if it absolutely must be APP.
A map RT2 to recommend is one thing. This is actually a real-time map that alleredings just in the test of video digitally active little extra time has shown. Unfortunately. I am not sure obs would not be more in a 4-core processor to invest, according to the information in this thread here
http://videotreffpunkt.com/thread.php?threadid=3062
yes supports APP 2 has 4 core.
When the hard disks is this one thing. For a limited number of native m2t streams requires no Raid system. If the streams, but on the Cineform intermediates, unchanged for the APP should be good on the 4-fold size brings, is already close. And then make 3 or 4 times PiP Effects with such intermediates. I sags clear: the HDV editing is of course synonymous with no-5-Raid system, but the cutting of the intermediates are not exactly a disadvantage. In addition, the safety aspects of Raid-5.
In any case, you should at HDV editing en synonymous to good, high-resolution preview monitors care which ideally synonymous support 50 Hz (with the right graphics cards stop) so that they remain smooth when panning. And without overscan should work.
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
That is surely even an Intel GMA 950th Does not bother me!
