Newsmeldung von slashCAM:HDMI 1.4 - 4K and 3D for the living room of rob - 30 May 2009 10:10:00 The HDMI LICENSING, LLC now has the features of the upcoming HDMI 1.4 standards presented, (the specifications, the latest), p.30. June 2009 will be available. Among the highlights of the new standards include 4 K resolution and 3D functionality. Sun can now achieve resolutions of up to 4096x2160 pixels at 24 Hz: Cinema resolution in the living room (he who can afford the corresponding projection equipment). 3D Home Cinema with is offered to two 1080p video streams. Interesting is also the support of new spaces: sYCC601, Adobe RGB and AdobeYCC601 now belong to it. In addition, the new specification can be with the HDMI cable is synonymous as a LAN connection to use, because a return path 100Mbit / s Ethernet line has also been integrated. It only remains the question of when such devices (; 4K Projectors, 4K display, etc.) are offered at what prices for home users ...
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Antwort von Zizi:
There remains the question of who it actually noticed a difference ..
I'm already hard to do on a FullHD 47 `sitting in 2 diagonal distance between Blue-ray and DVD to distinguish!
What will then bring the 4K resolution in a normal living room?
I mean who already has a 10m screen while still at home and 0.0 diopters in order of what he has?
Again is probably a ploy to lure industry to the Kaufvieh for consumption ..
Since the 60s in terms of image quality has already advanced more done nothing except boom of the pixel has already reached its limits long!
Antwort von Valentino:
This standard makes sense, synonymous when the normal Cosumnet does not have much of it. In the professional area, there is no uniform connection allows the 4K, up to now sowas always had about four HD-SDI cable run. Sorry, but is synonymous with the HDMI times as one thing, but you can now connect a 4k projector with at least one 4k player with a cable that's already something.
That you between a Blu-Ray and DVD in the distance are no longer any difference is probably s.deinem age or poor s.einem ophthalmologist / optician ;-) I've got a 32 inch LCD and a few Blu-Ray DVD synonymous, but the compression artifacts on the DVD veursachen headaches.
Now, these are but only 15 percent of the population there as you, the rest is actually quite good eyes or the right glasses.
Since the 60s in terms of image quality has already advanced more done nothing except boom of the pixel has already reached its limits long! That since the 60s has not done much, I'll give you as much right to the coming of his day 70mm film about s.The quality of today's 35mm 4Perf turn. To see new films that have been rotated to 70mm such as The Internatinoal Baraka brilliant or so off.
Antwort von Zizi:
That you between a Blu-Ray and DVD in the distance are no longer any difference is probably s.deinem age or poor s.einem ophthalmologist / optician ;-) I've got a 32 inch LCD and a few Blu-Ray DVD synonymous, but the compression artifacts on the DVD veursachen headaches.
Now, these are but only 15 percent of the population there as you, the rest is actually quite good eyes or the right glasses.
This is not s.meine eyes but s.The Scan / digitaliesierungs method of the footage .. I have compared King Kong, see here:
http://www.zizis-blog.com/HDVergleich/HD1.jpg
http://www.zizis-blog.com/HDVergleich/DVD1.jpg
http://www.zizis-blog.com/HDVergleich/HD.jpg
http://www.zizis-blog.com/HDVergleich/DVD.jpg
The disc is one of the best BR
Of course, there are more details .. But the difference is at the recommended distance to sit almost 3 diagonals no pig!
As a BR player quite well the PAL material in 1080p is interpolated and the prerequisite course, not all movies are equal synonymous ..
The animation looks better as several films is synonymous to understand ..
But at 70% of all Bluerays hardly see out the 5x more sharpness!
Not only I but synonymous Friends of the differences I can see very easily .. why should ddafür the nearly 5 times the numbers?
Only when there is a well noticeable sound quality difference .. the rest is hardly a blue-ray its monetary value if one is not normal vision and 50cm in front ner 50 Inch Tube fits!
These player / disc Prices will, lack of film selection and the lack of practical benefit for me price ..
I have appointed 40 Bluerays and ninth at the WOW effect was expected to be at this price!
Is just as with digital cameras .. My DSLR makes 2x as many pixels as the more detailed predecessor, better pictures but not synonymous ..
Antwort von jazzy_d:
They are probably not the same frame. But one sees even more s.Schärfe. Hair, lint s.Hut, light-points in the eyes .....
The one for FullHD Blu-rays requires correspondingly large display area is clear. But as digital cinema will enjoy 4K-HDMI.
Antwort von rainermann:
[quote = "Zizi"]
Method of footage .. I have compared King Kong, see here:
http://www.zizis-blog.com/HDVergleich/HD1.jpg
http://www.zizis-blog.com/HDVergleich/DVD1.jpg
http://www.zizis-blog.com/HDVergleich/HD.jpg
http://www.zizis-blog.com/HDVergleich/DVD.jpg
The disc is one of the best BR
Of course, there are more details .. But the difference is at the recommended distance to sit almost 3 diagonals no pig! .. Jesse God, those are probably photographed monitor screens?
The course devoid of any reasonable basis for comparison ...
Incidentally, I notice in diagonal 3-fold synonymous not much difference. Drum I sit closer so synonymous (;...) - what else a big screen? So as for me, I see the difference between DVD <> BluRay means so much that I am still working to replace my favorite DVDs with appropriate BluRays too. Unfortunately, there still not many, but it's worth it! Close Encounters d. 3.Art, Carpenter's Thing, Star Trek, Black Hawk eg. etc.
Antwort von pilskopf:
Keep the resolutions synonymous completely exaggerated. The picture would have to be especially great to see that. And yes brauchts still see the source material in the qualification, but nothing too far and wide and sharpness alone does not make the movie better, on the contrary, it can look worse because of the grain.
Antwort von Zizi:
Jesse God, those are probably photographed monitor screens?
The course devoid of any reasonable basis for comparison ...
Incidentally, I notice in diagonal 3-fold synonymous not much difference. Drum I sit closer so synonymous (;...) - what else a big screen? So as for me, I see the difference between DVD <> BluRay means so much that I am still working to replace my favorite DVDs with appropriate BluRays too. Unfortunately, there still not many, but it's worth it! Close Encounters d. 3.Art, Carpenter's Thing, Star Trek, Black Hawk eg. etc. Dan do you have too much money and too much einbildung!
Bluerays sharpeners are no question .. 5x more sharpness but does that mean in practice, different! Besides these are of all TV manufacturers a distance from the TV comes of recommended 3 diagonals!
Because closer to the eye perceives it charged too much and too much screen error!
I do not synonymous sitting 2 meters away of one 121cm Full HD and I must say that the differences partly not worth 35 ¬ for such a disc is!
around the same money I'd rather go to the movies or 5x buy me 3 new DVDs! the more like 1-2x we see these movies anyway not!
But everyone's .. achja King Kong is the best Blu-ray on my shelf that I had her views should see others .. which are far worse!
What I mean by this:
To the money I want the full definition for each pixel, the little Blu-ray offers and if there is the question of whether this makes any sense until normal and 132cm seat pitch!
Since I find it absurt if one speaks here of UltraHD if not even FullHD can be properly used in German living rooms!
For movies it might even make sense fürn FullHD ordinary consumer is already perceptible the ceiling in a "normal" Television talk to 150cm ~ ..
Antwort von Valentino:
@ Zizi
If Blu-Ray is nothing for you, then just buy yourself for your next DVD 50 inch model.
But this comparison images you have there with your digicam's say, taken out of nothing. In all the pictures Kantensteillung your camera or your TV is totally made up, which could explain your attitude synonymous, that the DVD to "look sharp".
Turning times but with your TV picture settings under the "Focus" times completely gone and then compared again with the DVD of the Blu Ray.
That occasionally happens that it is (for Blu Ray shooting only a Blowup; example of DigiBeta) acts happen, but there are plenty of test reports to a protection against a bad buy.
It is most synonymous with BD is not always better to Auflsöung, but general information, the better image quality synonymous to the Maybe even 8 years old DVD can be a quantum leap.
It is movies like King Kong is not a lot of each other distinctions is because that is the source for mastering the same, namely an HDCAM SR tape or 2k movies files.
The difference is s.end nurnoch rendering and the smaller resolution. The picture itself is changing but very little, the contrast and the colors should remain the same.
If you want to see time with a Blu-Ray Full resolution, then your time looking after the movie "Baraka", which was scanned from 65mm negative in 8k (; 8000 times 4000 pixels) and scaled down to HD. I've seen this movie synonymous in the original 70mm print at the movies and can recognize almost no film grain.
Antwort von pilskopf:
But once you turn your HD sharpness down completely and then compare with ner DVD. Would not that stupid? And he should turn down their television to show that the DVD is so sharp? Huh?
No question. DVD is far worse than a full HD movie but a Super Ultra Full HD film does not need a man who has no diagonal 4m home.
Antwort von Valentino:
But once you turn your HD sharpness down completely and then compare with ner DVD. Would not that stupid? And he should turn down their television to show that the DVD is so sharp? Huh?
This "Focus" has nothing to do with the actual Auflsöung the video.
With this sharpening, edges are drawn in a picture crisp and clear, which means that most people keep this picture of Crispy or sharper. The Äuflösung but has remained the same.
This trick is used synonymous with the entire Elektormärkten so that the customer is the Picture as a "sharper" entfindet, it increased but were only electronical the edges.
In almost all the devices but you can turn off this edge enhancement, or go back so far that they will no longer be regarded as an annoyance.
Antwort von Zizi:
I've seen 70mm .. That's better .. Maybe, but it gibts 5 BRD, and for that I buy me a Full HD TV and had not at a player!
Ne Blu-ray has to be much cheaper or not a disk so that I spend so much money for it .. only small blue veil and barely big spührbare sharpness benefits are really usually not enough!
(In relation with a cinema ticket, ¬ 6) is not the name of a mess!
Marketing and the BR's just better hurry so call ahead ...
Unfortunately, there is nothing better!
Well .. Just the sharpness of your LCD and turn down the Bluerays such as DVDs are much better ;-)
Antwort von B.DeKid:
Flipbooks can be a lot of synonymous;-P
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Years ago, it was with VHS vs. DVD the same way - my first DVD player cost a fortune and there were exactly 5 DVD movies in MM.
Ich finds a lot of horny what color are now possible and go through the stop as 4k.
Whether HOT or Disarm the peas but Zählerei
MfG
B. DeKid
PS: You should buy better films that you look then synonymous over 1 - 2x,-P
Antwort von deftobe:
Oh people, but is now good times!
until now they always need an expensive card to hd sdi eg 4k to be able to view material of the red nem monitor (and there is not in the way macs) and now the hdmi synonymous and may therefore this is a huge benefit in the benefit area .. .... clear enough for me my fullhd 42 "for real at home but that is not here man ... can not go out of home users as himself or ..
Antwort von pilskopf:
Then Slashcam should not "for the living room" to write in the title. For professionals like you, of course, be perfect, because it brings so then what synonymous. For the home user but invalid.
Antwort von WoWu:
For the professionals would be interesting to be able to accommodate synonymous from the transparent HD signal .... But, unfortunately, is not and so it will probably stick with the pros for a while at X times HDSDI.
And the many new spaces are all Stillimage color spaces and totally unsuitable for video.
Completely aside from that one must also choose to send the required metadata. Which application supports it?
And what concerns Ethernet ... 100 Mbps .... Big Deal!
On the other hand flies each USB port.
And video data are available on the network transparently synonymous only in coded form, so nothing with.
Hollywood is very powerful and prevents high recording quality.
And how was still with 8 or 10 bit??
Bits 9 and 10 are provided for international signaling and can not be used for video anyway ... Because to me my lob'ich HDSDI.
And how was that .... when there was again the first devices to support 1.4? 2015?
And 1.4 is not mandatory? As there are no recorders voher?
And why the Playstation was the only one pulling ahead?
Marketing!
And what? The new chips are not backwards compatible? I'll throw it all the devices that are 1.3a away?
That's a
great improvement!
Antwort von domain:
The main problem with HDTV is indeed my opinion that the exception of us, the unsuspecting average TV viewers noticed only minor differences between PAL and if, they are also synonymous damn him yet. For all that he wants to see who was and is in PAL resolution already exists purely informative and additionally rooted in viewing habits.
If this were not so and PAL would be absolutely recognized shit, then HDTV would probably prevail much faster ...
So what is actually 4K? The experience value is gone with the wind does not exceed one iota, and not the daily news synonymous synonymous and not the precision of the final shot on goal in the Champions League.
Antwort von Zizi:
The main problem with HDTV is indeed my opinion that the exception of us, the unsuspecting average TV viewers noticed only minor differences between PAL and if, they are also synonymous damn him yet. For all that he wants to see who was and is in PAL resolution already exists purely informative and additionally rooted in viewing habits.
If this were not so and PAL would be absolutely recognized shit, then HDTV would probably prevail much faster ...
So what is actually 4K? The experience value is gone with the wind does not exceed one iota, and not the daily news synonymous synonymous and not the precision of the final shot on goal in the Champions League.
True words is nothing to add!
But there will always be people unnecessarily to the consumer, at the latest to jump ship to possess what they enjoy is only suggestive of the placebo effect ..
They are synonymous mostly those who buy a 15MP camera because its so old has only 8, and buy a BMW 5 series to get milk in addition to ..
this has very little use. That's more prestige and social (; grounds behind)!
Antwort von Valentino:
@ Zizi
Somehow I doubt that you have even an inkling of something, if you do not even know what an edge-sharing or artificial "sharpening" is.
Well .. Just the sharpness of your LCD and turn down the Bluerays such as DVDs are much better ;-) This resolution is no resolution meant, but as was the artificial "sharpening scribblings" of a Picture. Please read more information but it was only time before your next most common you ignorance. Just because you (a couple of shaky pictures of your Plasma, FullHD?) An online presence that is far from being a recent proof of this there is no visible difference between SD (; DVD) and HD (; Blu-ray) exists. There is also the wish to be a medium that lives by the moving picture in all seriousness, compared with still images. Have you seen miss a snippet on a 35mm film projector, or scanned? Quite Honestly look totally suck.
In addition, the Blu-Ray has other Vorsteile to the DVD:
Native 24 frames per second, thus no longer necessary speedup and the sound runs so fast as he does in the movies
Better because the surround-sound will be stored uncompressed.
In a one-window viewing Full HD playback on pixel level is possible, would be expected to be only of the DVD before it comes to Full HD resolution.
Synonymous here I will not deny that there is synonymous poorly mastered BDs, but by no means the only Blu-Ray Augenwascherei Consum is for Horny.
Antwort von Zizi:
@ Zizi
Somehow I doubt that you have even an inkling of something, if you do not even know what an edge-sharing or artificial "sharpening" is.
Who says I do not know what is sharpening?
I have (on my TV, FullHD LCD) due to the Isobild of Chip Online and tuned to get good results .. artificial sharpness is fairly neutral to me! But that makes no more Blue-ray or DVD so bad as you have posted above!
So much for that ..
Native 24 frames per second, thus no longer necessary speedup and the sound runs so fast as he does in the movies
Better because the surround-sound will be stored uncompressed.
In a one-window viewing Full HD playback on pixel level is possible, would be expected to be only of the DVD before it comes to Full HD resolution. Oh nciht what do you say?
Did I schonmal says something else?
I'm not talking about the theoretical but practical perception!
Synonymous here I will not deny that there is synonymous poorly mastered BDs, but by no means the only Blu-Ray Augenwascherei Consum is for Horny. I've never claimed synonymous .. I claim only that Germany is totally overpriced and the jump in quality is lower as it always maintains suggiert / is and the many differing not at noticing when they are not directly indicates .. (; at affordable Television in 5000 ¬)
That immoment there is nothing better to me quite clear, and (this is the sound, assuming good investment) is significantly more synonymous!
My pictures certainly show the advantage of the focus has been synonymous wenns abgeknipst only.
The question is whether the quality of so much compared to a DVD that you can feel pays nearly 7 times as a movie ticket?
I do not .. But you like movies you can buy the next 30 ¬ crap mastered are not synonymous, and offer you much better movie experience! would rather go to movies .. have you and your wallet more of them!
Antwort von Axel:
1. As has occasionally sounded to, higher resolution is nice, if the picture is bigger. A picture that fills the field of view of the viewer completely, is desirable because it
proves that cinema audiences to register from the front rows more details of the film plot than the person sitting behind. Therefore it is said, more generally, 4k (; 4-fold, not only double the resolution of 2k) is a good thing. When and where it comes first, is another question, not whether it makes sense.
2. One of the reasons why the rear seats (; "lodge"), synonymous in modern cinema with its gigantic screens are sought after (and despite the aforementioned fact that has) continued validity, this is precisely the lack of resolution. 4k digital would be very, very meaningful.
3. The 70mm film "2001," the technology-loving director Kubrick with a problem: He looked at the pattern of the optimal distance, and shakes the stars!
> In the corner of my eye, the stroboscopic effect of the 24 B / s need to get involved. Therefore there would be mainly to increase the frame rate "makes sense" if one screws s.der resolution. The argument that the picture would look like video, can not be upheld because: 48p is always backward compatible, if one of the - perhaps only for certain subjects - calls 24p stop is only 24p.
"The more the field of view is taken from the movie, the less bad steadiness, unmotivated wobble, but generally synonymous arbitrary camera movement, tolerated by the viewer. Dizzy HD pan-and-tilt is only a small part of a codec burglary. They are for the most part a loss of "tracking pixels" of our sense of balance. Worse at higher resolution, that anomaly. Which can only deal with an extremely quiet camera (; again, see 2001).
Antwort von Fridu:
Why is everyone always talking about here of 30 euros for nen Blu-ray movie. I buy my in Switzerland, on average, such a 15 to a maximum of 20 euros if you want do not always equal to the absolute latest. Hardly a few weeks on the market fall Prices and be with us often offered up to C $ 19.90, which are less than 13 euros. One can therefore build up its Blu-ray Collection synonymous quite favorable and are constantly new movies, even exists the ancient Casablanca on Blu-ray :-).
Greeting of Fridu
