Frage von opopanax:
Dear forum members!
I want to grow me a new Digital Video Camera (approx. ¬ 1,000). I would be synonymous willing to spend for the Sony HDV ¬ 1,500, if I had mis sure
s.in soon no better (and cheaper) to comply
b) the technology is mature (I do not therefore play a guinea pig)
c) the future is actually HDV
You would help me a lot when someone posts your just your opinion.
Thank you very much
Antwort von Peter S.:
My opinion: The standard is not sufficiently specified. Equipement expensive to buy now, it is perhaps no longer use in a year. The processing options are synonymous remains problematic. Hardly a consumer has a display device for that. So currently have one unvernüftige investment.
MFG Peter
Antwort von MiXMaster:
The HDR-HC1E of Sonyist considered fully backward compatible and of the hardware very well. So I would certainly make a purchase recommendation, I've increased my own camera, they filmed DV and HDV, HDV can output DV format (ie you do not need HD-compatible TV set, etc.). And the standard is specified very well, the camera corresponds exactly to the standard for HDTV.
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
... you do not need HD-compatible TV set ... When you buy an HDV camcorder, then you will eventually see synonymous HDV. So you have to buy a full HD panel, and provide adequate cutting ability. I look very different HDV videos with the help of my network player directly of the hard drive that goes from s.and very well. Who next only to watch a PAL TV wants, needs no HDV camcorder.
Antwort von wolfgang:
The standards are not the problem - which are specified for 1080 50i, of course. And contrary to many statements a HC1 synonymous provides very good equipment, if you can handle it. The problem is that there are many beginners are appalled when they pivot extremely fast, and then view the material without good deinterlacing on a visual display unit. Here, stop preparing the "i" in 1080i many users problems - and precisely because of the upcoming issue more and more devices Plasma, LCD and projector is the "i" really rather absurd.
What will come, of course, a further development in the camcorder area. If more and more camcorder-like recording Manufacturer chips on plates or P2 - Panasonic and JVC and they seem to go through - could then recording formats with higher data rates are possible. This is only partly music of the future: the HVX200 is indeed in Q1/06 on the market, but is a completely different price category.
Further away devices, announced that as at IFA Panasonic has a real HD camcorder as a 3-chip announced in early 2007 (source: computer video 06/2005). These devices can record in mpeg4 synonymous - but the decision is probably not - because mpeg4 be cut even more difficult than m2t files.
What is currently still lacking, especially the camcorder to film in 720p. Here, JVC has just taken out of the room in the Pal HD100/HD101 anything in trade, in the NTSC region looks different.
What synonymous still missing are the DVD standalones in HD quality - but they will probably get enough 2006th
It is certainly that many consumers not even have the HD-ready vision devices. That can then be essential if one wants to sell about the materials (such as wedding videographers). But as filming for personal use, you have to stop to decide whether one's own recordings today is the high resolution value.
I currently own movies with the JVC PD1 - an intermediate format to HDV, which is progressive. And I am of the goodness of the material on my plasma progressive hard thrilled.
So who gets today valuable material for the lens - for example of a great journey - the MUs should consider seriously whether or not he wants to upgrade to HDV. Meeting point in the video, there are numerous users, who with the HC1 or FX1 already quite satisfied.
Antwort von Markus:
The HDR-HC1E [...] corresponds exactly to the standard for HDTV. HDTV is a professional high-specification, HDV, a consumer video format. At 720p, the HDTV and HDV Resolutionbei immediately (1280 × 720) at 1080i (-> Sony camcorder) it is lower (1440 × 1080 HDV, 1920 × 1080 in HDTV).
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Antwort von Martin:
The future of television is high definition. The following questions I would ask myself:
1. When I look films, I will look at the material in 5-10 years if all filmed in HD any more, and / or edit?
2. Will I definitely within the next few years does not have an HD display device equipped and want to pass on any HD recordings?
3. What are the real additional costs that I pay for the HD feature of the camera - ie what would have value for me the camera as pure DV Camera? I'm not willing to pay any additional cost to?
When I agree with all 3 leading questions, I'll find a pure DV device. Where there is doubt s.synonymous only one question I would resort to the HD camera.
Greeting
Martin
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Antwort von wolfgang:
As much as I agree with Martin in principle, even - you should not overlook the costs to be synonymous with the other connected HDV editing:
- A high-quality editing program that can cut the HDV. And this is really good. There are currently some inexpensive solutions, with which we should not really be happy. Really good stop are just products like Adobe Premiere Pro + Cineform plugin, Edius 3.6, Vegas 6 with Cineform - synonymous of LE hears good. But then quite the end - the MSP8 didn't quite some shortcomings in capturing the material, as I know from my own tests. And on the Apple Page I can tell too little.
- With a fast enough PC, possibly with its own hardware card. Basically it is synonymous, of course, without a Canopus Edius NX, but it certainly goes better. The PC, however it should be quite fast and powerful - to 3 Ghz, one should not start at all.
- Really good - for professional use - gehts halt it with hardware cards, with the aforementioned NX HDV kit plus an HD monitor to inspect the material. The rule, but then requires a new PC - no question. And that is soon much more expensive than the HC1 alone.
But please not be deterred - for hobby use gehts synonymous only with the software version of Edius and Vegas, and a 3.2 Ghz P4, and synonymous with no hardware card. So I'm going at the time, and I have some movies in 1080i as synonymous cut synonymous 720p. This is wholly consistent.
And, of course, not synonymous overlooked that come just two more units - have already mentioned the Panasonic HVX200, but the costs 9000 Euro loose alone. And when the cut is not appropriate at all codecs anymore.
Antwort von Martin:
As much as I agree with Martin in principle, even - you should not overlook the costs to be synonymous with the other connected HDV editing:
- A high-quality editing program that can cut the HDV. This is true, but not really relevant. What this is about the raw material in HD have. They installed nothing if we now filming in HDV, but use the convert function of HC1 to edit today in DV. In two years there with safety HD editing programs that differ in price no more of the DV colleagues. This way, the present material can be processed again - this time in HD.
And, of course, not synonymous overlooked that come just two more units - have already mentioned the Panasonic HVX200, but the costs 9000 Euro loose alone. And when the cut is not appropriate at all codecs anymore. Well, whoever he is concerned that coming soon newer, better, cheaper devices and therefore does not buy today, will never buy. Here is: In order to accept that this is so, and buy the device that a
now please.
Greeting
Martin
Antwort von wolfgang:
So if this is actually irrelevant, let everyone decide for themselves. I know of at least a few people who are only willing to film to be retained - to edit the material in 2 years. At least not if you always have the opportunity today.
And thy desire in God's ears: "Give me 14,000 euros, then I buy the HVX200 including accessories available in USA. And what else do you stop it takes to ...
;)
Antwort von ricky2000:
Always amazing how complicated life can make.
Expensive software + plugins and it still is not a high reliability ...
To report times from the Apple world: that with every Mac bundled iMovie can natively since almost a year deal with HDV.
HD is a natural part of the world has become Quicktime.
HD (V) is therefore the Mac about as a banal Mpeg2 format like:).
Antwort von wolfgang:
How complicated?
For me, the HDV editing with Edius 3.5 works both as synonymous with Vegas (since version 5, with 6 anyway) for quite some time, stable and straightforward on my 3.2 Ghz P4. The first tutorial I intend to develop less than a year:
http://videotreffpunkt.com/thread.php?threadid=1141&boardid=36&styleid=6
And since about this time we have in the video meeting an HDV focus.
For native editing of HDV material is available in Vegas for quite some time - but not recommended. Simply because of the performance when playing 1080i is bad (720p is much better).
But: some cheap products and have always had more problems, even with the DV-avi editing. Why should that suddenly errors may HDV?
Antwort von ULY:
So now in stock u shoot HDV, then edit in DV, and may then process again in 3-4 years in HDV to? .. no thanks.
If I have years fetig cut a movie, I am proud and glad to have it behind me, would udn across the entire sichernciht in 3-4 repeat, only to have it in better Resolutionzu.
Would make sense eventually, the entire edit in HDV to DV and then ne ne HDV version and make of it. But HDV is cut nunmal sone thing ...
And the extra cost in my view, already huge, that I am an "intermediate" (to get true HD), which one will be in HD-future ncoh playable but does not find out more in the shooting starts, because it probably already true Hd Cams with hard drive or flash memory available.
But the fact that HDV has done himself no own cartridges with appropriate speed, but duch MPEG2 Konprimierung squeezed to the "old" miniDV shows me that this standard will not be the future ...
Greeting
ULY
Antwort von wolfgang:
Okay, first time it is completely untrue that they must wait 3-4 years, to be able to edit HDV. This already is today, with relatively modest means - it'll take about a 3.2 Ghz P4 HT Calculator, 1 GB Ram, the corresponding disks. And then you stop cutting, either with Edius, even as synonymous OHCI version (ie without hardware card ala NX), or synonymous with Vegas, in both cases with intermediates. Or you cut the material even as m2t files - such as in very möchtigen womble, where, however, the mpeg encoder is not really good.
Very elegant things in Vegas take - here we have several solutions available, where we either with mjpeg-avi or DV proxy cut-avi proxies - and then the final output from m2t to make the material away. One solution is through the free plug-in, which has developed the user elcutty meeting and published in the video - for Vegas.
http://www.videotreffpunkt.com/thread.php?threadid=1750&boardid=43&styleid=6
Another solution is just the additional tool Gearshift, which in Vegas is also a very convenient interface allows proxy.
Or you can take as the new MSP8 - where the proxy is already cut either integrated or you can convert auto synonymous m2t to mpeg.
Or you can take the currently available as beta studio 10.2, which according to initial tests, perhaps is finally good ...
So the opportunities are growing every day. Therefore, there is now already more than enough options - if you really want to cut. Even the subsequent upscaling to full HD Resolutionist good with tools - such as the Procoder Express - synonymous for HDV2 material possible. And in a very good quality - for today's standards.
Clear if all of us HD camcorder in 50p better. But that's what, what we can actually afford on a broad front, perhaps only in those 3-4 years will be ...
;)
Although I hope that this development but faster. But it will cost a lot - see the first example, referred to the upcoming Prices Pal version of the Panasonic DVX200.
