Frage von Moray:
Hi folks,
my PC monitor is 2048x1536 which is 4:3. I am a bit annoying that the record 16:9 HDV camcorder. I do not always find nice with the bars above and below it.
okay well I've thought of me with 16:9 ultimately get you more on the band since you left and right would look more like a 4:3, but this is not so! but (at least for the HV10) at 16:9 at the top and bottom cut off.
I make the HV10 while filming photos, these are saved in 1920x1080 (16:9, not anamorphic). I alternate in the photo mode, I get 4:3 pictures in 2048x1536. Ok the CCD creates effective 2048x1536 pixel, but these are "only" 1440x1080 pixels on tape, all still anamorph. 1440x1080 is a 4:3 format to. schaut euch mal die bilder s.dann can you understand what I mean to say at 16:9, I do not have more information, because something s.der left and right side comes to that, it will give me no information stolen and although the top and bottom of , so to speak is a bit truncated. because the performance of the mpeg2 encoder chips HV10 yes 1440x1080 is sufficient to compress, we could not somehow inform him he should record in 4:3 and I do not prune the building?
Picture in 4:3
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Antwort von Moray:
Picture in 4:3
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Antwort von Moray:
Picture in 4:3
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Antwort von Moray:
Picture in 16:9
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Antwort von Moray:
Here even better to see
Picture in 16:9
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Antwort von Moray:
Picture in 4:3
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accepted for 4:3, I would like to publish, I would have already been above and below visual circumcised 16:9 now synonymous right and left trim, the results of the
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I already know words of the outset I wish to 4:3, I must record 16:9 but still lose schonmal information above and below to view the image or to get to 4:3, I must turn left and right trim. gibts ne any possibility of a HDV camcorder to 4:3 receptive to move? or how you see it? for me is the 16:9 verarsche of the year. if I have a 16:9 would like, I could always have a 4:3 video, the information above and below the MOUTH and the user information. hab times from dusk till dawn the compatriots there to 16:9 and 4:3 to 16:9 are missing parts of the above heads, left and right NOT HAVE MORE INFORMATION!
Antwort von Bernd E.:
1440x1080 is a 4:3 format to. 1440x1080 is an HDV format of the definition, 16:9 (there is no 4:3 - HDV). This explains the fact that the pixels are not square, but wider than high.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von Fr0stbeule:
Picture in 4:3
I already know words of the outset I wish to 4:3, I must record 16:9 but still lose schonmal information above and below to view the image or to get to 4:3, I must turn left and right trim. gibts ne any possibility of a HDV camcorder to 4:3 receptive to move? or how you see it? for me is the 16:9 verarsche of the year. if I have a 16:9 would like, I could always have a 4:3 video, the information above and below the MOUTH and the user information. hab times from dusk till dawn the compatriots there to 16:9 and 4:3 to 16:9 are missing parts of the above heads, left and right NOT HAVE MORE INFORMATION! maybe you had a camera and camcorder do not buy, because photos can be any size in the change in video
gibts codecs deliver certain formats.
gruß cj
Antwort von Moray:
naja ne digicam, I know, it is important to me to film. the quality of the HV10 has me convinced the synonymous shoots photos they are quite sufficient for me.
I can synonymous a 16:9 video recorded by cropping (left and right cut) to get 4:3.
but since we have the problem I described, because I already receptive to the top and bottom information are lost, so I still need more information.
1440 = 4
3 / 4 = 0.75
1440 * 0.75 = 1080
recorded in HDV always 1440x1080, but 1920x1080 gestrecht later.
because the cmos sensor, therefore, a 4:3 sensor seems to be (photo mode 2048x1536), I lose the 16:9 mode as above s.den to see pictures, information.
Nurmal adopted, I would by the 16:9 mode have an advantage (which I do not have) and he would give me more information right and left to pay, then it would be ok, no, but he does not. I have just as much information left and right instead I erased the top and bottom.
mine is already clear that a 1440x1080 HDV format which is anamorphic to 1920x1080 hochgestrechd, but I mean yes if the mpeg2 encoder chip 1440x1080 can compress in real time, why could not I say no I will not anamorphic 1440x1080 but 1440x1080 in 4:3 ratio.
this is what bothers me. clearly, I can of my buddies from my 16:9 footage to create a 4:3, but when I left and right wegcroppe (again without loss of information)
why can I not record video with this information as they told me the photo mode provides
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exactly what I would want, but with 1440x1080 THIS volume
Antwort von thos-berlin:
You want the best possible Quallität on your PC screen your hand-watch movies.
HDV was not designed to provide for display on high-resolution PC screens to produce videos, but for "suitable" Television. This has been based on fixed parameters for Resolutiongeeinigt.
That does not fit together.
The chip has the camera for the photo function more pixels (mainly in the vertical) than for deas "TV image" is used. Therefore, in comparison to the 16:9 image Still Picture above and below cut off. This is not a limitation of video function, but a bonus of the photo function.
There is the best of my knowledge, no common 4:3 HDV (possibly times except laboratory solutions). The HDV-capable television may be only 16:9. It therefore makes sense only synonymous HDV recording in 16:9 to make. Then there is nowhere synonymous black stripes.
If you are 4:3 on the television play like, PAL ranges, ie the MiniDV resolution. Picture can do better systemic s.Television not be displayed.
If you are on a 4:3 PC monitor HDV formatfüllendes (without borders) will show, did you just luck, it's not.
That when Umwandnung between image formats compromises will have to dürfrte now clear.
When movie is from the relationship 2.3 (?): 1 to 4:3 reworked. This must be pruned s.Meisten. There is approximately one third is lost. Either the left and right cut off, or at the top and bottom, a black bar added sogasr Or you do both and tried the best omitted Kompomiß between edges and black bars zui find.
Even when there is a 16:9 Cinemascope movie without these tactics to bring the television ....
So you really only 4:3 to your PC screen to a 16:9 (or 16:10) monitor einzutauschen .....
Antwort von Moray:
I realize the HDV standard is a predefined s.den the entire camcorder and keep synonymous only in the 16:9 HDTV to acquire.
Previously in my miniDV cam, I had already synonymous as an option if I wish to record 4:3 or 16:9. well I thought I try times from both modes. and what was, in 16:9 mode, I had the same as the 4:3 image just above and below what was cut off. Now, would you maybe record? no definitely not. if you would ever be this option in the camcorder immediately off again, since it is not beneficial and brings you information on band lost, and would if ever you later make it into a 16:9 like, the things above and below of myself off.
I find it interesting that others are so synonymous have been employed.
http://forum.slashcam.de/169-breitbild-vt36199.html
http://www.slashcam.de/info/Verlust-durch-16-9-Camcorders-and-4-3-Recording-148879.html
I use for my purposes it would be affirmative if the HV10 now zb ne option would have been receptive to 1440x1080 in 4:3. the effect would be so synonymous with a 1440x1080 at 25i the band, everything would be the same, but the building would have more information. When I later it still wants to make a 16:9 I simply cut the top and bottom s.and generate themselves so 16:9
synonymous exactly I
http://forum.slashcam.de/viewtopic.php?p=119465 # 119465
Antwort von Duisburger:
Cut just right and / or left as much, until you have the required 4 / 3 format did.
Antwort von Moray:
Marc writes here following
http://www.slashcam.de/info/Megapixelcamcorder-echtes-16-9--93512.html
Response of Marc::
For the consumer MiniDV camcorders such as Panasonic GS 400, the picture with more pixels abgetasten (approx 1100x576). Why is synonymous to the wide range of switching to 16:9 significantly increased. This image information is then but in the normal format in 768x576 format glossary prevail in effect.
This must be done, since it is only in the HDV format is a 16:9 standard. If in the normal DV standard pixel all pixels in the glossary explains retained, there would be no compatible editing system, with which one could work, or what format this format is explained in the glossary recognizes. MiniDV knows only 768x576.
Many greetings
Marc That is just NOT true! Thus I record in 16:9 increases the area of Wide Angle NOT. I have not left and right more information (which give me a present of 16:9 would bring) and I later synonymous to come back to 4:3 can be cut.
Would I by the HV10 in a higher 16:9 Wide Angle Have pronounced the left and right to see more YES IT WOULD BE OK, that YOU DO NOT! As the pictures clearly show. Instead of a wide angle is increased uncompromising Separated!
Antwort von Moray:
To sum it all to make clear what I'm talking about
If this is the 4:3 of the HV10's IF
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and that the 16:9
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IF yes then everything properly. Why? On the 16:9 picture then yes, I WOULD HAVE MORE information (more weitwinkel more details left and right, just vebreitertes building) as indicated on the 4:3.
So yes, I would have an advantage through the 16:9 recording. I have not, since this is not the image is 4:3. The 4:3 picture, which I WOULD CMOS provides me much more information, which simply omitted!
Antwort von Moray:
If the HV10 in 1440x1080 then he should at least offer an option, so that he can take 1440x1080.
http://rapidshare.com/files/32937549/1440_4zu3.avi.html
Antwort von wolfgang:
This discussion is devoid of any substance. HDV2 is,
by definition, 16:9, if one's not enough, you have to halt Picture left to right and 4:3 crop. Few make the devices for the output to DV, but normally will be in the Schnittpgrogramm with features such as pan / crop to make. And when you're shooting should be careful in the 4:3 range, the relevant image content to have - otherwise it is still asymmetrical trim.
So you will, willy-nilly with the solution of the circumcision must live HDV2 devices are in HDV mode only record in 16:9. In DV mode, it looks different - but then you stop a lower resolution.
Antwort von Fr0stbeule:
Yes, it is quite clear what you want, namely that the camera chip and 4:3 high resolution scans, the signal is so processed and so on anschleißend MiniDV stores.
Well, to my knowledge does it not readily, ie without major interference in the firmware, etc.
It is even theoretically possible but practically looks very difficult, and if you already have because Bock rumzufummeln or if you can, then I would advise you anyway an SD camcorder to take, where the entire signal processing in anyway 4: 3, and although with the full Resolutiondes chips and only very s.Ende down effect. Then you could try to work around and not down Siganl calculated via Firewire, or as synonymous to spend more and save on HDD. With the tape is then no more.
no idea how they can go, there's probably because of the firmware in any parameter (which tells the camera to 720 * 576 runter expect) that you could then switch. But as I said, I do not know how to do this and actually synonymous wills do not know, because I think (Sorry) hirnrissig is.
The easiest way would be for you to accept, or a good 4:3 camcorder buy, then stop in SD.
Good luck
Martin
Antwort von Marco:
I have the same synonymous wondered.
Perhaps a lens attachment, the reverse of the usual 16:9-anamorphic works, a solution (and a gap in the market ;-)) be.
Marco
Antwort von Fr0stbeule:
@ Marco
Red paint - as would happen with it?
Antwort von PowerMac:
That is idiocy. You can not be of the capabilities of the photo mode capabilities include video mode. From Resolutionim photo mode you can not synonymous close to the chip, since usTechniken like pixel shift can be used. The behavior of the CCD readout is quite different. The lens creates a picture of 16:9 aspect ratio through, scans the chip with 1920x1080 active s.and squeezes the picture to tape at 1440x1080.
Antwort von Jan:
Martin had been so well formulated Powermac has synonymous absolutely right.
The company synonymous use other tricks for their cameras, we can not always be out of the Logic. Yes with resolution of the photo one must be careful, pretty much any HDV producer working with Pixel Shift, no preference whether SonyFX 7, JVC HD 7, Canon XH A 1, XL H 1 or XL 2 DV XM & 2nd
Zb is a new Panasonic, where the non-resolution with the officially declared matches. The sensor has to really be effective over 1 million pixels more than the figures published anywhere. Panasonic hopes to take this like 4 / 3 Camera a better 16 / 9 function, the 4 / 3 is not the border, so it is a little more space horizontally, what the 16 / 9 function uses there. You never know what tricks with the company's work ....
Sorry Moray as demand is very low at 4 / 3 HDV is probably not a company you "help" want.
VG
Jan
Antwort von Marco:
"because the demand is very low at 4 / 3 HDV" As low as one might initially think, the demand may not. Therefore it would be synonymous not surprise me if it would give future solutions.
Marco
Antwort von Axel:
I have the same synonymous wondered.
Perhaps a lens attachment, the reverse of the usual 16:9-anamorphic works, a solution (and a gap in the market ;-)) be. An anamorphic, from 4:3 through 16:9 compression makes it to cut 90 ° rotated from 16:9 to 4:3. The hardware exists also. When editing you can then work with the HDV standard, with beautiful view of squashed AR, you do not need ausrendern.
What I only ask: What is the target format? 4:3 SD? That would have been easier but that may have. Clarifies to me, I could not understand.
Antwort von Marco:
4:3 HD.
Marco
Antwort von Duisburger:
But there is and it will not playback devices, as you can like an excerpt from your 16 / 9 HDV make.
Antwort von Marco:
One player is the PC. And possible file formats / codecs that are synonymous.
Marco
Antwort von wolfgang:
So both the producers of the visual devices, such as synonymous to the camcorder rather go all in the direction of 16:9.
But I like to think that there is still a market for 4:3 would be - especially because there will be synonymous to the now in the households still dominant 4:3 existing SD equipment could produce. But that is actually better for me to solve that one camera image to 16:9 limiting strip will appear, or if necessary even with Tixostreifen behilft. And then when they issue the material cuts. For my preferred NLE's because even a script to which the pruning event for event carries.
Antwort von Composer:
One player is the PC. And possible file formats / codecs that are synonymous.
what codec is because with 1440x1080 square pixel ratio?
gruß cj
Antwort von Marco:
For example AVC.
Marco
Antwort von Composer:
Or the good old synonymous MJPEG codecs. Nee, behind the codec is not so much the issue, you need only the PAR accordingly - and this is in some codecs. The question is rather, where the players will come. On the PC, but there remains synonymous with such a material.
Antwort von Axel:
what codec is because with 1440x1080 square pixel ratio?
gruß cj There are many with freely adjustable parameters. I'm sure if someone thinks his material should be 4:3 in order to please him. Are there really PC displays with this Resolutionin 4:3?
Antwort von Moray:
So annoying me the whole still with this fake 16:9 mode. If I were in a 16:9 movie, I already know that my information is lost, because he omitted the top and bottom. I will later go to 4:3 but I have left and right off, that I lose again because information + resolution of 1440 so I must be off, so I finally no longer 1440 pixels.
would be a really interesting art objectively so ne art weitwinkel / fisheye that makes very broad heads, ie if the material I've played on, it is not in 1440x1080 and watch the heads eiermässig, but then just right. there are any? 1440x1080 if I could film in 4:3, it would be great instead of 1440x1080 anamorphic, 16:9 shrink to
Antwort von Quadruplex:
So annoying me the whole still with this fake 16:9 mode. If I were in a 16:9 movie, I already know that my information is lost, because he omitted the top and bottom. You have some basic things are not understood ...
Antwort von JMitch:
What he learns from your answers on this?
Antwort von wolfgang:
Na do nothing ... because not explained what it s.Wissen missing.
Perhaps as much: it is wrong for a fake of HDV 16:9 to speak. The material is 16:9, while washing and genuine. As is synonymous top and bottom cut off nothing, maybe it's on the special monitor seemingly so, but devices in full-HD or HD-Ready resolution places the entire brav dar. Picture synonymous There are no loss of information when filming in 16:9.
Only when HDV material left and right cuts, to come to 4:3, then one loses visual information. The thing you here is complaints (information loss), occurs in HDV in 16:9 does not occur, but only at the desired 4:3 solution.
Antwort von Moray:
wolfgang ne, just here so I try to explain.
filme I 4:3 I have above and below for more information, but NOT LEFT and RIGHT. Say I have no further TELECOMMUNICATIONS SECTOR, no MORE INFORMATION -> No advantage of 16:9
I suppose in 16:9 with the HV10 to cut me up and down from what INSTEAD LEFT and RIGHT to offer more information (see my pictures I've posted)
Just assumed I could get with the HV10 in 1440x1080 4:3 shooting, I would do it and if I then times of the material will have a 16:9 I could always still be off the top and bottom as the HV10 so now at each recording made.
I have now in the holiday as everything is much 1440x1080 anamorphic 16:9, I want an HD video to 4:3, so I must cut off the left and right, so I still go once information is lost.
What I have with real and false is just my 16:9
I would record in 4:3, I have a picture x
I would then record in 16:9, I have all the visual information x synonymous PLUS has more information and LEFT RIGHT!
So I HAD an advantage of 16:9! and if I still want to 4:3, I could back this additional information LEFT and RIGHT yes remove
The term fake, I have here, incidentally aufgeschnappt
http://www.slashcam.de/info/Weitwinkel---16-9-84325.html
Here again the picture recorded in 4:3
http://www.bilder-speicher.de/07052313890329.gratis-foto-hosting-page.html
Here again the picture recorded in 16:9
http://www.bilder-speicher.de/07052313212506.gratis-foto-hosting-page.html
Everyone sees, UP and DOWN of information is lost.
I do not have all the information the 4:3 picture has more information + RIGHT and LEFT
Antwort von Duisburger:
If you have the 16:9 Still in the same image Height had recorded as the 4:3 image so breastfeeding did you right and left at 16:9 Still more image content.
Antwort von JMitch:
what you want here is quite telling unnsinn,
because the cam only in certain modes of video recording
can, and in HDV: 16:9 / 1440x1080 or sd:
16:9 / 720x576 or 4:3 / 720x576 otherwise the video can not be
tied to your written or read from the band!
photo everything else is functional and as you're in the area of a shoot digitally and not in the video area.
Take a stand trickfilm with the photos then.
gruß cj
Antwort von wolfgang:
I do not want to be rude, but the content has already cj: this is completely wrong, what you write.
The quote about "fake" referred to a DV device, and not to an HDV device. HDV2 characterized in 16:9, in 1440x1080 and the corresponding PAR.
I would record in 4:3, I have a picture x
I would then record in 16:9, I have all the visual information x synonymous PLUS has more information and LEFT RIGHT!
And just as it is synonymous! To see that you have more picture content - with a well-defined noticed Height: take a sheet of paper with a ruler draw a rectangle in 4:3 (about 8 cm long and 6 cm high). And then draw the same Height of 6 cm left and right so to do up to 16:9 (length is 10.67 cm, so the left and right for each additional 1:33 cm). The 1.33x6 cm you have on each Page to win.
And if you are from 16:9 to 4:3 rectangle want to do, now you have 2 options:
- Either you cut left and right both 1:33 cm wide strip away at the unmodified Height - one way. Here you lose picture information, which stop in the Strip was inside.
- Or you erweiterst the 16:9 rectangle with now 6x10.67 cm top and bottom, with an unchanged width. Here you need to top and bottom of an additional screen to insert, in the 4:3 TV, the picture the black stripes, which one would like to see. But you lose any picture information.
And you should really be a 4:3 high-resolution video want to make, so it goes even - for the PC. Just as the first line was way off, and use a codec, which may (as they were already mentioned).
If you feel that you Bildinformtion lose, what if you cut away - and then the remaining 4:3 advantage Picture no longer have - is it even then. But that is then your decision if you think of what picture off, is not it?
Antwort von JMitch:
hallo wolfgang,
sorry times incidentally a question ...
what is today with the video server at the meeting point on?
gruß cj
Antwort von AndyZZ:
So, the 4:3 picture is probably the photo with the camera to function, because it has a Resolutionvon 2048x1536 px.
The 16:9 picture is with the video function of, because it has a Resolutionvon 1920 x 1080 px.
HDV has by definition 1080 lines, and not 1536 or whatever.
You compare apples with pears here!
I can give you a picture synonymous with 2000 lines to offer, then you can have your 4:3 synonymous away, but that has nothing to do with video!
Antwort von AndyZZ:
So, the 4:3 picture is probably the photo with the camera to function, because it has a Resolutionvon 2048x1536 px.
The 16:9 picture is with the video function of, because it has a Resolutionvon 1920 x 1080 px.
HDV has by definition 1080 lines, and not 1536 or whatever.
You compare apples with pears here!
I can give you a picture synonymous with 2000 lines to offer, then you can have your 4:3 synonymous away, but that has nothing to do with video!
Antwort von wolfgang:
hallo wolfgang,
sorry times incidentally a question ...
what is today with the video server at the meeting point on?
gruß cj There was the night in a hardware crash. Meanwhile, the matter but again, thanks to our tried Admins.
:)
Antwort von JMitch:
thanks for the info,
for me there is still no connection to the server.
gruß cj
Antwort von wolfgang:
Hmm, maybe the info, the server on which the Forum is now, first by the network run?
Antwort von Moray:
So, the 4:3 picture is probably the photo with the camera to function, because it has a Resolutionvon 2048x1536 px.
The 16:9 picture is with the video function of, because it has a Resolutionvon 1920 x 1080 px. exactly the way it is, but this shows what can the CMOS sensor, and a 4:3 auslesen with more information is possible. Maybe I really was totally wrong, but I would have liked it just as the flat in the photo is functional. I can be credible even when he HV10 set to 1440x1080 makes photos that are not anamorphic but beautifully true 4:3. Therefore, my question was yes, why can not I use 1440x1080 in 4:3 record. I know already clear that this specification corresponds to None, it would be nice but with a firmware hack or whatever. or just a wide-angle converter absorbs the broad so that the anamorphic nacher right.
ok well it says I compare apples with pears yes that's true I have a photo I with an AND of the camera has compared himself with a photo I made while I had filmed in HDV.
I check the whole time tonight in dv mode because I have the choice between yes DV 16:9 and 4:3 DV then I am curious whether I really have more info.
It is clear to me synonymous aware that there is no 4:3 HD Television in there, I personally would like but stop well when there is a possibility would be 4:3 recording, HDV in 4:3 to be incorporated in a beautiful quality s.PC Monitor view.
Antwort von AndyZZ:
Will you now have photographs or video film?
If you want to film the video, then forget your Still Image-4: 3 The camera can be up to 1440x1080 video capture. If you absolutely want 4:3 and then crop your video right and left. Then you at Height nothing lost, but in width.
Still image and video are two completely different things!
Antwort von AndyZZ:
And?
Your test result?
Antwort von JMitch:
I personally would hold it but liked it when there is a 4:3 possibility would be recording, HDV in 4:3 to be incorporated in a beautiful quality s.PC monitor them. Make it the other way around, buy you a widescreen monitor and view HDV in 16:9 it. Haste much more of it ...
