Frage von nufan:
Hello together
I know this much and often on the advantages and disadvantages, the future security of HDV vs etc. AVHCD was spoken. That is what I have not synonymous. S.euch The question is rather what is better quality? A colleague recently purchased an actual AVHDC of Cam Panasonic based on HDD and SD recording (Full HD 1920x1080p). What I heard and now often synonymous with this purchase has been confirmed is that the quality of images in a somewhat darker environment with a camera and swivel very strong buyers. Say the Qulaitätsverlust was very clearly visible. It is here of equipment in the price range between 800-1000 euros, that is really the "home" entry-level devices.
I wonder now, this is synonymous with HDV cameras, you know what tape to record and compress the data is not the case? Or could this problem be attributed to the material already in the recording is highly compressed. Say a problem of data streams (Compression)?
I would like to see synonymous to buy an HD Cam. (Will only 720p, but probably need it). Or better still, we wait 2-3 years until the synonymous Cams in the 800-class 1000Euro better and buy an SD or Cam?
Thank you for a short feedback
Gruss
Antwort von der_kleine_techniker:
The question is very easy to answer
What do you want to spend your movies?
- PAL DVD -> TV or Web Pal enough SD
- Blue Ray -> HD or Full HD, HD beamer then HDV or AVCHD
Antwort von nufan:
Thanks for your answer. But what is s.wichtigsten: HDV or AVHCD because the problem of quality in camera pans ... Did it maybe too little exact words. ;-)
Antwort von B.DeKid:
Gude
I think you only one of the two formats may buck the problem / can. I think in the pans rather than the swivel sollches and the synonymous use shutter setting as crucial are respected.
On the problem of your target Lowlight of the problem, I think the synonymous Aperture and Shutter external lighting rather than relevat should be considered.
To AVHCD
Well you will probably have one or the other thread came to be, you showed the AVHCD still in its infancy "is. Thus, not every program or synonymous with the PC format to date truly "good" deal.
So I would generally advise to HDV.
MfG
B. DeKid
HP, the greater the diameter of a front lens s is sensitive to light so it is normally. This is my Meihnung by one of the most important aspects of a completely different score as Chip and general constructions of Obtik and / or the Camera abgesehn.
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Nufan
I think you only one of the two formats may buck the problem / can. I think in the pans rather than the swivel sollches and the synonymous use shutter setting as crucial are respected. I agree as to Kid ... rather AVC pans are supported by better than HDV, because in the development from the mistakes of MPEG2 has been learned and global vectors "and vectors which are already outside of the visible image to be addressed, such that problematic MPEG2 movements much more efficient facilitators.
Well you will probably have one or the other thread came to be, you showed the AVHCD still in its infancy "is. Not AVC is in its infancy, but the manufacturer of software (NLEs) are still in work. To observe, however, is that almost a month clock software, plug-ins and synonymous hardware on the market.
So it is a matter of time, but of course synonymous, whether you want a system of growth in the future with new hardware and software support, or prefer a system in which virtually no company more new starts.
Sometimes you have to slightly above the rim to see if you are not in the semi-annual cycle of new systems can afford.
The thing with the light sensitivity is independent of the reduction algorithm and is located at a very crucial part of your s.der size image sensor ... synonymous helps because then no larger lens diameter.
I wonder now, this is synonymous with HDV cameras, you know what tape to record and compress the data is not the case? This assumption is fundamentally wrong ... The data are used for the HDV recording is also highly compressed. Compared to AVC uses the common compression there even much less so called I-frames and reference frames in such plays a very significant role in image quality.
Anyway, these procedures are almost the same time have been developed. Only MPEG2 that since about 1996 was not developed next, AVC, however, more than 10 years continuously improved and modified.
Synonymous You can not really say that AVC more compressed because there are other tools. It compresses only more efficient, that is, the more bitrate MPEG2 needs to make an
identical quality.
Comparing once reports here in the forum for example. the HF100, so it is a very good video quality at a low data rate attested. Surely you've read those reports, however.
Antwort von nufan:
@ WoWu and B. DeKid
First, many thanks for your replies. Very informative and helpful. For me, this is called when an HD Cam direction rather then AVCHD, as newer technology that is still somewhat in its infancy, but the future is Safe and Effective. (Is it actually on firmware updates for Cams?)
However, as in the years to ensure further progress in sachen HD recording to be made, I am not sure if you do not prefer a good 1000Euro 3CCD SD Cam buys, rather than a 1000Euro HD Cam. The Resolutionder HD cam is better, but because behind the SD Cam's a lot more experience and development is, I wonder whether the picture quality, aside of the resolution, with SD Cams not much better and is synonymous the swing problems are not present or much lower, respectively. already been handled better .....
Not so easy decision. What would you buy? ;-)
regards
Antwort von Daigoro:
Dignity? Yesterday purchased SonyHC5.
Saturn Amazon or 499, --
Your trust in God all the honor, but there's nothing more 'better' in the consumer sector - and the trend is toward Point & Shoot and useless features on a cost very basic equipment and the chips are getting smaller and more and more pixels on it (which is good for the ' real 'resolution, but irgedwann s.die schärfe goes - long after the rest of "Lowlight" died).
(and HDV at the moment has more bandwidth than any consumer AVCHD cam auf'm market .. whether the change is questionable - as much film on the small and expensive memory cards to get priority seems to have - AVC-I 100's will probably not give )
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Nufan
That's right, the decision is really not easy, but before I EUR 1000 in a SD camera would be stuck, I would prefer a HD camera with the first steps ....
Incidentally, why look you do not even have a HD camera, which makes 720p50? That is the style that is synonymous in the future HD-TV sector.
With 50 frames per second you have a very fluid motion resolution, in HD.
Another thing comes to SD, so standard television is now limited to 5 MHz and offers you the richness of detail a long way from that which HD you can offer, at a relatively meager motion resolution.
I see, you're somehow still shocked of the "swing problem" .... shows even a few shots at 720p50, you will not recognize the swing issue.
The pictures will convince you ...
Otherwise seems someone desperately s.dem issue to be:
To your question yet to be answered:
I would like a 3-chip buy the 720p50 may, if possible in MOS technology as a second choice here CMOS.
Antwort von Daigoro:
Otherwise seems someone desperately s.dem issue to be:
.. lol: D
To your question yet to be answered:
I would like a 3-chip buy the 720p50 may, if possible in MOS technology as a second choice here CMOS. Would I würd synonymous - there's just not in the price category, which I compared to my better half can justify. : (
And I would almost bet that k24p rather a'2 'or'3 k24p' Camera as enhancement to the "Full HD") with very scheusslich Picture and 17mbit / s than that, there
Because it is already 'Movies' and to work with the professionals so synonymous!
Antwort von WoWu:
I have not given up hope yet, just that I am not embarrassed in the bin, I have to buy, so waiting is not so hard.
In addition, most problems occur only in 1920 to .... until it since the cameras are, it will probably still really take a while, but 720p50 is not the real problem.
Because it is already 'Movies' and to work with the professionals so synonymous! That was sarcasm, but now?!
Antwort von Daigoro:
Because it is already 'Movies' and to work with the professionals so synonymous!
That was sarcasm, but now?! Or Scarlet. :)
Antwort von WoWu:
Well, the Scarlet good and beautiful, but movies? The 2k is just (hopefully). And nobody knows what it means for a plastic lens, which sits inside.
But I agree with: provides a catalyst for development.
Bin mal gespannt synonymous, although I am, as I said clean 720p50 all are male rather than the 1920 fuss.
Antwort von Axel:
The first compromise enforces the price. Second, the availability (see WoWu technically feasible, but not implemented), the third the mutual compatibility of components (Codec, computing power, software, output devices). Friendly words, all this in the river, who before the purchase alternative is to find my time with HDV, a good intersection of reasonable compromises and acceptable quality. To claim that AVCHD would draw here is simply a lie. The argument "does not change every six months" is in half a year anew, because the development does not stop. HDV is obsolete? Thus, as computer three years ago with the advent of HDV was (what a pain it was to edit this stuff, and what an investment! We had almost two more years of good weather to wait until the Chose really ran around . How many movies have you in this time NOT done, if you had waited stubborn?). The Kluge rises, but only if the alternative is better, not only theoretically, but for the practical application.
Antwort von WoWu:
(see WoWu, technically feasible, but not implemented), Misunderstood: technically feasible and has already implemented, not just 1920.
All other arguments which are at each Introduction of improved technologies always existed, there was always synonymous the "eternal yesterday" without the courage to innovate and that is nothing new of course, there are half a year no successor of HDV, since it is already there.
In half a year is probably already on the Neumarkt no longer HDV rooster crowing.
HDV is obsolete? Yes, not only for those who like today synonymous many s.VHS hold, then hang on HDV. Nostalgia has no such narrow limits.
That would not preclude any. And for the record player vinyl lovers, there is still synonymous with e-Bay to buy .... But times such as after a head drum for an old recorder ...
Sun has seen Axel right of course. Each technology has its beginning, his time and his end. This applies to AVC as well as HDV.
In addition, Axel, look in the title:
is not about resolution or editability the materia
Antwort von Axel:
All other arguments which are at each Introduction of improved technologies always existed, there was always synonymous the "eternal yesterday" without the courage to innovate and that is nothing new of course, there are half a year no successor of HDV, since it is already there. A week after I the new SonyFX-1 on a fair average and had seen the quality of growth was very impressed, I got the first HDV on my G4, which of course could not. The G5, a few months later, it could (and cost), but it was in comparison to a single DV convulsions. I was advised here, and still relatively long synonymous, Gelegenheitsfilmern of purchase from an HDV cam. I called it a transitional immature format (search if interested), and advised at first to purchase a simple and second-hand computer. Observed price and the technical improvements since then s.den devices, each have to decide whether the despondent backwardness and not just nostalgia, or the refusal was too early to every hype involved.
I also know that HDV is not "future proof" is. I see the potential synonymous with s.Qualitätszuwachs AVCHD to HDV (as large as the distance DV> HDV, it is not). My only "but" is that it is
here and now in all the above aspects to HDV more disadvantages than advantages. So if you half a year (?) Can wait for to make for heaven's sake do not now and thousands stuck in HDV. Then of course, synonymous for cutting new place to invest, maybe an argument for ordinary wage earners. This is the future-safe.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... Availability (see WoWu, technically feasible, but not implemented) ... The Kluge rises, but only if the alternative is better, not only theoretically, but for the practical application ... This - for the user, however, crucial - point me in many debates on this theory briefly: What use to me in today's camera an excellent purchase, in any paper recorded a host specification format, or a superior sensor technology, where both are still not in a camera is available ? There is no doubt speaks a lot for a "3-MOS Camera with 720p50", but of this realization I have to little more: No dealer in the world can deliver me. And I am sure: If they exist, someone will shake their heads about this for the nostalgic Ewiggestrigen device, although some times when the much better UHDV will ... ;-)
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von wolfgang:
As we started some years ago have to cut HDV, we have the first on proxy methods or made synonymous Intermediates. Means that we have the HDV material around the cut by more easily editable format replaces the cut, and before the final Rausrendern by replacing the original material. Or are synonymous easily editable Intermedidate codecs changed, then those of the final product has been rendered.
The current status of today's consumer AVCHD camcorder materials of this status is not so far away. Also on the current scale hochperformaten quad-core systems, the same AVCHD painstakingly cut, and by far not as well developed as today's HDV editing.
Through a simple increase in processor performance is the only very conditionally synonymous solve - was quite early WoWu of approximately synonymous words, and true to this day. The Quad is at the intersection and the preview of AVCHD in real time are still poorly utilized (only works when rendering the utilization of already good). It looks so perfectly so that a mere increase in processor performance, the problem of native AVCHD cut not enough can be solved.
Obs cutting programs are solved, you will see - we really have to wait quite long on solutions, and that in half a year since to be synonymous been said many times before - wars against one or one and a half years?
So, in sum, the intersection is still rather a tragedy, and unfortunately, still a massive problem for those who really want to edit after intensive. Ok, on intermediate-and proxy solutions that perfectly, but the yellow of the egg is not - you should make a seamless workflow of 1920 AVC material like that would be most useful.
720 50p camcorder, I think in the consumer area for about a problem - the few Samsung devices, which we had supplied material, which still processable much worse, than today's AVCHD material. And optics, which really limited quality. Theoretically, I am a fan of 720 50p - but the practice is, unfortunately, the jammers.
The nostalgia-Comparison to HDV with VHS tapes would be equated, but I think for arg exaggerated. HDV is a high-resolution AVCHD format consumer - and in ways None compare with VHS. So really WoWu .....
The blurring when panning seems to arise due to 2 factors - one is the high compression of HDV, AVC grundsätzich could be better. But glad to see is the fact that each interlaced format by the interlaced flicker swing a decrease in the horizontal Resolutionerfährt - and that's 50i of HDV2 same as in the case of 1920 50i AVCHD. So that is synonymous not be overlooked.
Antwort von jakson1958:
[quote = "Axel"]
... So if you half a year (?) Can wait for to make for heaven's sake do not now and thousands stuck in HDV. Then of course, synonymous for cutting new place to invest, maybe an argument for ordinary wage earners. This is the future-safe. Hello!
I intend, in brief, the Canon HF 100 to buy.
Would like to actually dislike a 1 / 2 year wait and wonder as a layman, which in a 1 / 2 years will be different according to your above statement?
Please you elaborate it here.
THANK YOU!
Regards
jakson1958
Antwort von Axel:
I intend, in brief, the Canon HF 100 to buy.
Would like to actually dislike a 1 / 2 year wait and wonder as a layman, which in a 1 / 2 years will be different according to your above statement? First and foremost, all hope that the handling is improved as soon as possible so that you can not use it in an intermediate codec to cut. That was up about 1 1 / 2 years for HDV is also the great Cons. The prognosis "1 / 2 year" is not of me, but that it lasts longer than a year I think not synonymous.
What is it for you? Only good. In this price range, around 1000 ¬, is going on in such a period, not much. Perhaps there is a new model, and your cam will cost only 800 ¬. What the heck, if you want to film now, you can be the no preference. Finally, the price for everything.
For you this is just an aspect to bear in mind that even with the current resources of the cut is still cumbersome.
For those who for their cameras a little more features like (the FX-1, XH-A1 clientele), AVCHD is currently desert country. Prediction: In two years, I believe that a fully mature AVCHD camera in your hands (then synonymous your HF 100 s.Markt not worth much), my HDV is verhökert. That could be exactly the year in the AVCHD itself no longer
state-of-the-art. I can no more than annoyed that the cycles are so short, can I change not.
Antwort von jakson1958:
Hello Axel,
Thank you for your detailed message.
Do you know the moment I would like my videos do not yet cut, but only record for later. Have synonymous wg. Profession too little time for cutting. As such, I want now. only family video in good quality record and preserve. I will cut it when I retire or go sometime in the winter.
Will my Canon HF 10/100 soon in Munich watch and probably buy synonymous.
Many greetings
jakson
Antwort von wolfgang:
Well then secure the material to hold larger and more hard, and cut later. It would be beside the HF100 synonymous in the SR11/12 question what you take is almost as matter of taste.
And for those solutions, I would cut me alone scout, there will be more and more what can be synonymous with AVCHD. Nativ previously only stop primary Pinnacle Studio 11 + upwards, or Vegas 8 Pro or Vegas Movie Studio 8 But that is still next. Only do not fall for that one takes the next best solution - here one has to look in more detail, so times are at rest and scout in forums umhören if something should be purchased.
Cut solutions are basically synonymous today, maybe they are not as comfortable as with HDV - but it is feasible. Especially for the SR11 has elcutty once again an interesting solution in combination with Vegas 8 Pro, where relatively high-quality mpeg2-Intermediates for the cut to be used.
Antwort von nufan:
@ all
I see a lot has been done here. Thanks, interesting info! I do not take it amiss, but in the whole big and I am now even more uncertain than before ;-) Two questions remain:
1. it seems when a avhcd with 720p50 only here what would you recommend for a model?
2. I do not uuuunbedingt now a cam, so would like lust "rumzutesten". But when I look at it now then read through everything so it's almost heist, better still, wait for 1-2 years which is still doing ....
regards
Antwort von Axel:
2. I do not uuuunbedingt now a cam, so would like lust "rumzutesten". But when I look at it now then read through everything so it's almost heist, better still, wait for 1-2 years which is still doing .... I am ashamed in ground floor and when I with my Bedenkenträgerei have contributed to that, synonymous only one finger of the video Filmerei leaves. Please do not. I want the opposite. Do neither of me nor the other of uncertainty, the cams of the future will not be sooooo much better and the present are synonymous in a year is not sooooo much worse.
From a decision now, for the "wrong" Cam is not the world, and the synonymous few hundred mosquitoes are not gone.
Before someone desperately:
prefer to delete the entire thread. Peace.
Antwort von wolfgang:
@ all
1. it seems when a avhcd with 720p50 only here what would you recommend for a model?
There are very few models that can do - such as Samsung models. And these are but from the standpoint of processing and the optical quality is not really so far from the yellow egg.
If AVCHD, then the time a Canon HF100/HF10 or SonySR11/SR12.
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Wolfgang
... only zärgen ...
developed, where fairly high-quality mpeg2-Intermediates for the cut to be used. there are no
high-quality MPEG2 Intermediates.
@ Jackson1958
and ask me as a layman, was in a 1 / 2 years will be different according to your above statement? Matsushita (Panasonic) has just completed the first camcorder with MOS Technology released.
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&u=http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20080618/pana.htm
The differences in the sensor are quite serious. This is 3-sensor technology and the sensors have very different micro-lens systems and none of these antiquated mosaic filter more.
Actually these types of sensors combine the advantages of CCD and the advantages of CMOS, without the disadvantages of CMOS to take over.
Now you can speculate on whether it is still half a year, until it not only in Japanese and American market, but are synonymous in the European market ...
Since the cameras but to buy already, it is no longer theory.
Sure, there are no reports of experience and even those are pretty sound and noise. Therefore the theory is often more reliable than many "writing".
I s.den guided me and the facts have always been shown to be fairly reliable. Maybe now that, if it were here or because one or the other takes month longer ... who sees it as a problem, his old stuff will just keep longer. In no way I would on a lame horse more set.
And what concerns UHDTV ... again someone who is misinformed.
Around 2020-2025, the forecast .... and it was always. But when the argument is of course synonymous happy times shortened by 15 years.
The fact is that MPEG4. H.264AVC the HDTV standard for the vast majority of the world will be ... as well as for the camcorder generation, probably the next 15 years.
HDV can only come when even more None really new to MPEG2 has therefore synonymous to transience. It was a start for the amateur ... and quite a "crutch" that someone from the SD-corner has brought. The definitions of AVC are better and more precise as the tools and procedures.
S.Picture innovations and improvements will be in the next 2-3 years or less in the half-yearly cycle type. S.Codec But nothing will change. Who waits can really wait.
Antwort von Axel:
Matsushita (Panasonic) has just completed the first camcorder with MOS Technology released. Wait, we (the video world is the purest Kafkaesque waiting room) as the quality across. From the Hasbro-inspired design you do not necessarily draw conclusions. The picture quality is what counts.
Antwort von WoWu:
Which camcorder today could not come of Hasbro.
Actually, it is anyway only a lens group with 3 chips off the back and a slot for the memory card. Since they are all nothing, no preference was for a company name is printed. On the content of it all, as you so rightly have said, and this distinguishes the Hasbro products are now very much again.
Antwort von wolfgang:
@ Wolfgang
... only zärgen ...
developed, where fairly high-quality mpeg2-Intermediates for the cut to be used.
there are no high-quality MPEG2 Intermediates.
This is again a "truth", depending on the eye of the beholder different looks, and the need for a further relativization.
And the Panasonic devices remains to be seen whether the 720 50p really can. And if the next pixel on shifting work can be synonymous curious as to how their quality really will look like.
Antwort von domain:
If I understand correctly, then it is in the MOS sensors to this development:
http://www.e2v.com/module/page-122/item_id-404/item_action-view_item/item-e2v-announces-a-new-high-performance-global-shutter-custom-cmos-imaging-solution-that-sets-new-standards-in-custom-imaging-/
Full-frame global shutter associated with concomitant increases in quantum efficiency and that's quite a quantum leap.
Sonyist so synonymous not idle, but the new sensor does not seem to realize GS and it is a significant difference
http://www.dkamera.de/news/sony-entwickelt-backside-illumination-cmos-sensor
Antwort von Bernd E.:
Since the cameras ... but now to buy, it is no theory more ... And really new MOS sensors are synonymous only in the camcorder area: With digital cameras and other construction Panasonic Manufacturer them quite a few years. Now they just need to still keep feeding camcorder, without which you use tweezers and magnifying glass can ;-)
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... to the Panasonic devices remains to be seen whether the 720 50p can really ... I think this is unlikely since Panasonic synonymous here so much the "FullHD" 1920x1080 stresses.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von WoWu:
I think synonymous that 720p50 is not taken into account.
It remains of course the performance of the tiny chips still a question.
But since it was synonymous greater than MOS chips there, and since 2005 are already built, there would at least hope that they are synonymous sometime in Pro-Sumer find camcorders.
I just think that we are in 1920 with problematic and the associated problems for a while still have to struggle and that the company synonymous for quite a while consumers ver ...
So it is incomprehensible to me, however, synonymous why 720p50 only prosumer cameras for some time now has.
Only the range of interesting developments in the field of camcorders (synonymous with the collection of such chips) but just getting bigger and there is not anything on the well-known "suspects (such as HF100) remain limited.
Antwort von wolfgang:
Unfortunately, it is feared that 720 50p not come back - and we loved the less remain interlaced format. Is halt so.
Antwort von WoWu:
I do not know, (wishful thinking) when you consider that 720p50 HDTV standard format will be the blind and even then the consumer will see qualitative differences ...
The problem I see is that most consumer directed according to the motto: "the more pixels the better," without really knowing the issues ... and slogans such as "FullHD" support this idiocy then synonymous nor knowingly that the industry as it currently Camcorders build a qualitatively reasonable 1920 did not get out.
To that extent, I still hope the 720 synonymous in camcorders yet come. The justification for interlaced with the time is always harder.
Wolfgang, the top, with the MPEG2 was not meant seriously, as do not misunderstand.
Greetings to Vienna.
Antwort von domain:
My hope is, however, significantly more in the direction of reasonable quality 1080p50.
The difference of 720p50 to synonymous already more or less visible in PAL 567 lines, synonymous only if i kept my opinion to be low.
True 2K resolution is probably one in the future as a minimum requirement should be on TV, if synonymous bandwidth problems currently doing so.
Antwort von Axel:
I do not know, (wishful thinking) when you consider that 720p50 HDTV standard format will be the blind and even then the consumer will see qualitative differences ... Maybe in Prosumerbereich, the consumer will not tolerate "setbacks", see here:
My hope is, however, significantly more in the direction of reasonable quality 1080p50.
The difference of 720p50 to synonymous already more or less visible in PAL 567 lines, synonymous only if i kept my opinion to be low. But all these speculations are really as far into the future that we may have a section for science fiction should demand. Do not have to answer, Wolfgang. Only fun.
Antwort von WoWu:
There are not anymore as the bandwidth, which has for a long time as the killer criterion.
Currently considering other, diagonal Abtastmethoden the Introduction of a more efficient enabling 1080p.
It is 1080p50 synonymous not yet specified and, hence, one finds it is not synonymous camcorder.
The industry currently has no planning security ... synonymous and therefore no way of Introduction.
Experience shows it takes from the existing stage to established standard about 3-5 years.
Therefore, my hopes for a speedy introduction of 1080p50 very subdued.
But it looks as if it is, in fact, with only a little more effort could realize synonymous.
I think the combination from 1080 and 720 are not synonymous, because the lens / sensor combination course moiré effects tends to 720.
(Nyquist limit) - See synonymous EX1 / 3 at 720
You currently soundest (and highest) solution, because the best adapted one finds only in the HD 200th GY The thing in H.264 and possibly with slightly better lens would be a good alternative.
I can s.eine solid solution 2k really do not believe, despite all of above 1 "with more than 8 million pixels at a PP of ca. 4¼ lens and a sufficient resolution of approximately 80 lp / mm would lead, at least until the aperture fields 5.6 fully fit and the fit is limited to 8 would hold. So halfway feasible parameters, which are synonymous with sound images could make.
Of course some would desire. 7¼, but then we would be already at a 4 / 3 "or, with a 1.8" sensor ... there are synonymous, but we find them in the Scarlet again?
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... if you consider that 720p50 HDTV standard format will be ... Time out of interest demanded something OT: 720p/50 the HDTV standard format to collect my knowledge goes back to a recommendation by the European Broadcasting Union. " Now, however, belong to the EBU for us in the interesting area is the German stations ARD and ZDF to - that is the smaller part of the local program providers. Do you have knowledge of what the private channels in this plan?
Pro7 had in any case - to the setting of the HD program, a few months ago - sent in 1080i. I remember synonymous, have read somewhere that the private broadcasters hold little of 720p and 1080i instead, as their future HDTV standard to choose. Because what is truth?
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von immanuelkant:
Premiere broadcasts synonymous since early in 1080 @ 50i
Antwort von wolfgang:
I do not know, (wishful thinking) when you consider that 720p50 HDTV standard format will be the blind and even then the consumer will see qualitative differences ...
My problem is rather that I have some time with the purchase a HDV2 devices have waited to see whether the industry synonymous with us an affordable counterpart to the JVC HDV1 equipment of the U.S. space publishes. Then I'd much rather have a device had 720 50p, 1080 50i as a unit - while knowing that the format does not give anyway, because 1080i deinterlaced due to the flicker eh Creates no higher than 720p resolution - but is harder to edit.
Unfortunately, the answer is no, for us, so hats so good at the half devices only the JVC HD100/200er series where - and which is for household stop synonymous already relatively heavy, large and expensive.
Naja, ist halt so.
Antwort von nufan:
at least I have time in between for my cam at home found:
http://www.vimeo.com/1159080?pg=embed&sec=1159080
;-)
believe me when I cam to buy, then the canon HF100 Of ... Hopefully the industry will agree times to "a" standart ... HDV, avhcd, progressive, etc ... interleaced ;-) S.besten just buy something and hope it's fun ;-)
Antwort von WoWu:
This was originally a double post --- sorry
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Bernd
times really OT synonymous and spoken openly.
Well before the EBU has taken its decision, there are two companies with the broadcasters in Lobbiarbeit busy striving to make their products into the prisons to get. A company was busy than the other. There is already synonymous times one or the other pool in herausgesprungen, always in the hope of enforcing systems.
I know from decades of our own intuition.
Something connects of course (not me).
Incidentally, these transmitters from such things synonymous not immune ...
Now it's decision time now and because it is so very much synonymous on the basis of economic considerations like. There is a graphic, 720p vs. 1080i vs. SD in terms of bandwidth. Bandwidth cost "pigs" Money.
In quality assessment, which is around the current (SD) quality assessment has to leave a corresponding overhead of approx. 2 Mbit / s for 1080i (between 6 and 9-effective emission rate).
In better quality assessment will be slightly less difference.
Now let's just time for Astra Discounts: 24H 365 days, 4 channels. Only the extra 2 Mbit x 4 channels = 8 Mbit / s transponder overhead.
Astra calculated per thousand currently 150 Mbit and month. 8 Mbit x 150,000 = 1.2 million, so the only channels in 1080i equal quality impression, as the competition for ARD and ZDF?
EUR Mill 1.2 x 12 = 14.4 million x 5 (Businessplan5 years) = 72 million!
Do you think there are synonymous only one controller in any private broadcaster, in which the business does not notice?
The technical leaders who are trying to implement must still be born.
You see, some things to solve, despite lobbying at a completely different level.
After Fox in the U.S. a few months ago has moved to 720, I will be as good as 1080 material no longer needs to go and all that old stuff cross-converter, if I offer it.
The signal of the EBU is synonymous to the American associations.
But even if it is "only" the EBU would still have the 76 stations, this is already a lot.
So let some private for a while its commitment to lobby and hold high the banner ... to come to a global Standrad synonymous not around.
@ Wolfgang
I know I did in the HD area synonymous with the HD1 begun. Fortunately, they have held for so long, until it gave the HD100.
JVC has always on the right horse, synonymous with the first P50. Even though the game was a daring, the 50 frames in MPEG 2 to pack ... but at least it was an innovation.
What I hope is that the companies that now i have to put their flag shortly synonymous pan. How fast it works, you have seen in the disk, seen as a recording medium, or 720p, which suddenly appeared in prosumer equipment and much more.
As has been preached for decades something else ... and then it switched.
I think it would be quite a shame if the Consumer is just so with a crutch as mistigen false mucking around 1920 would have to where a really good, solid, ready and standardized across the applied solution would be to have. No crocheted, no Gewürge on sensors, optics feasible resolutions ... and to have immediately.
In the prosumer range, I am quite sure that it comes from. In Pro-area anyway.
It would me a camera, the hybrid is not for quality reasons rather than a eierlegende-Wollmilchsau, which makes everything possible, but only with compromises everything tainted.
I still trust the Scarlet synonymous promises not quite, but let's see what comes.
@ Axel,
the case with the regression is not really so. The consumer just believe that it was a step backwards, because they have the true qualities are not elucidated.
That is why I think so synonymous such a forum is very important. There are many who have the most diverse topics can give great advice. If each territory be synonymous
critical care, this is a great forum and get an objective source of information for beginners synonymous.
I think this is a good thing, which may be somewhat old-fashioned, but I call synonymous n
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Domain
I hab'mir times the link e2V viewed ... (thanks for the link) .... but that is still something else, not MOS and the problem with CMOS and the increase of transistors, we have already discussed ...
Also, the reverse exposure of chips which is nothing really new, so I do not really it.
What I like MOS synonymous with courage makes the new lens system and the new Photoische filter, together with the magnification of the photo transistor
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Bernd
perhaps as a complement to the foregoing this message:
http://www.digitalfernsehen.de/news/news_350504.html
Antwort von Bernd E.:
Bernd ... @ ... times really OT synonymous and spoken openly ... Thanks for the detailed and convincing background info! Had I actually think that the dear money in the end the rash there ;-) So, it is amazing but as yet, that big U.S. broadcasters such as CNN, CBS or NBC, which I am perfectly capable controller trust, but at 1080i set ? Overall, I think there will be a desirable synonymous worldwide uniform standard in this area probably never give - 720p and 1080i should be maintained in parallel with us.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Bernd
For those who have 1080i, you have shown in the amortization period to see, because the investment is carried out at a time when as synonymous Fox would have to rely on the forecasts of firms, rather than having to have solid basics and Equipment at incredibly low prices buy could.
No sensible person would Investkredit without much hardship as a special depreciation prematurely put into the sand. All will adhere to normal depreciation cycle and only in the wake of new investments in a consistent format switch.
In a few years after Interlaced no more cock crow.
Insofar as your parts, I fear and do not get in fact a single, cross-format quite optimistic.
For the broadcast equipment in general and in particular one, it is not easy to understand that they now no longer have a monopoly, but according to market demands must be addressed. This concerns the open standard synonymous, because some kind of compatibility SMPTE paper has brought the company's mandatory, the standard to meet. One wants so alone such as BETA-D and synonymous IMX a stop to that with nothing, except with themselves compatible.
So, Bernd, its not so pessimistic ... the vexing issue of "i" is off the table soon.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... Insofar as your parts, I fear and do not get in fact a single, cross-format pretty optimistic ... the vexing issue of "i" is soon on the table ... Your word in the ear transmitter! ;-) It is enough already, that the acquisition formats currently excessive, since it would be nice if at least for the broadcasting standards of unity would prevail - wait and see, from the times.
Gruß Bernd E.
