Infoseite // HDV via MPEG Streamclip to Final Cut Pro, ProRes HQ, de-interlace before or after?



Frage von Britta Leuchner:


Well, I've tried out the night and must say that I have to scale with MPEG Streamclip option "interlaced" and "color re-interlace" and synonymous "de-interlace selected" needs to be to get fine lines in the movement away, If I HDV footage of a colleague, PC / Premiere capturing transcode to ProRes HQ on my Mac with Final Cut Pro Quicktime export in MPEG Streamclip. mov ProResHQ 1920x1080. An alternative would be even more true with MPEG Streamclip scale "interlaced" and "color re-interlace" but without the "de-interlace" option can be coded, and to "de-interlace" Override turn into Final Cut Pro (interlace filter) .

In principle, the procedure is technically all the same, but I ask myself: Is de-interlace in MPEG Streamclip, or in Final Cut Pro tend to recommend? The effect is that fine lines disappear, the same, only I do not know whether there are qualitative differences there may be more determined by what date will be de-interlaced, or because one is included in real time and the other, etc. Has anyone because of you experience?

With love and greetings to the dear forum

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Antwort von Britta Leuchner:

Optional (with very good results with no loss of sharpness), there is JES deinterlacer, but that does not support ProRes not, but only Apple Intermediate Codec, etc.

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Antwort von PowerMac:

Why do you want to deinterlace? There is no reason of HDV (Windows) to Pro Res (HD) to have a de-interlace. No reason. The video should have the same interlace as originally s.PC. DU writing of lines in the movements. I do not understand. What do you think that? On a CRT monitor? In the canvas? On an HD monitor?

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Antwort von Axel:

Unless the material had not interlaced. A number of HDV cameras can omit the fact. In this case, a ProRes conversion would be in ProRes for Progressive material "sense, but of course no deinterlacing. 1440 to make 1920? Why should bring what? Power, but only the files larger.

In a well-adjusted Final Cut Pro preview window (as it offers the Apple Cinema Desktop Preview, both for viewers as synonymous canvas, which I thank PM) white would get "julienned" look synonymous with "i" not material. Most in any case only Stillimage and / or crooked scaling. What later on a no longer subject to control your customer's on-screen, is another question.

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Antwort von Britta Leuchner:

"PowerMac" wrote: Why do you want to deinterlace? There is no reason of HDV (Windows) to Pro Res (HD) to have a de-interlace. No reason. The video should have the same interlace as originally s.PC. DU writing of lines in the movements. I do not understand. What do you think that? On a CRT monitor? In the canvas? On an HD monitor?

@ PowerMac: With my eyes! On the same computer display, which will be synonymous, the terminal on which the material is to be seen! Please moderate yourself, for all assistance PowerMac! I have refrained in another topic like this already asking you to another "write" sound to me but here I can not resist, although I should use it fernliegt. Do you know me? Do you know what I'm doing and why? No.. I am nobody expects the help, but I think it would be nice if the mutual respect boundaries a little preserved. You never know who is one degree views quite stupid asking for help. Love you anyway ...

Thanks for the hint, Axel love with the progressive source material. Shall I try to find out (unfortunately rannzukommen difficult s.genauere details how the material has been recorded or captured). That with the scale had to do with that I'm not into MPEG Streamclip could go to the original size without any distortion in the 16:9 ... 4:3 In Final Cut Pro, it displays the synonymous, that there is now a square. Digital Cinema Desktop Preview, I think to be honest but not a good reference to check how well the material has been decoded and caused lines that if one scales the preview look different. Beyond that I would always watch me at 100% ...

THE BACKGROUND: The material was not very familiar to me of one colleague who had captured it on Adobe Premiere - on a PC, and the MPEG files could be opened anywhere let alone look at me then. Neither player nor cut all the alternative programs. The only tool that I ever once announced a Picture, was MPEG Streamclip. From there I try it just as possible as loss of Final Cut Pro able to get ...


Lieben Dank and nice greeting

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Antwort von Axel:

Hi, the strange thing is that I know of this procedure. My buddy has also premiere. Correct, I have to walk with MpegStreamclip if I want to further process it. ProRes is a good idea, although it as "Apple HDV (also see attachment works, synonymous with" 1920 ", incidentally, it is 1440, but then 16:9 of the pixel-AR) and, although presumably without quality loss, because the export positively velocity of light, it is therefore probably only a copy under different circumstances. Since nothing is scaled, there are no moirés, at least, probably not, we do not shoot in "i".

Regarding the reference Preview: A computer is not particularly well suited to "play i". Above all, the QT Player seems to create the right to run through the images with those stripes. Other players are only slightly better. Mac auf'm There are two (of whom I know) that it can be as great as a good TV: The AppleCinemaDestopPreview or the Apple DVD player. When you know that the monitor is the output device is a publication of your film as "HD_DVD (File on the hard drive, written with DVD Studio Pro) is a cool thing, funzt in normal HDV. Top quality, cool control (FrontRow?).
Anything else I should - play at least as an "i" - only in original size, with QT Player and "command + F".

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Antwort von PowerMac:

Your material is vulgar in HDV 1080/25i. Interlaced. If you have for still combing artifacts, and these staggered stripes like on your picture, then you have either an incorrect field dominance, it (the filter "to help move boxes") or are you talking of extreme individual cases, with strong motion. Are you talking of an image control in MPEG Streamclip, or in Final Cut Pro? If MPEG Streamclip shows Combs, that means nothing. It is not deinterlaced for display. Final Cut Pro deinterlaced for display. Occur even if the average Combs, that means nothing. When Combs and effects such as occur consistently in the last picture on your web version, then this is a problem. (A DVD player s.Computer not already true, because the Apple DVD Player and VLC, and some partially not do a deinterlacing.) But the key: it just makes deinterlacing s.Schluss after cutting. This is simply because you would otherwise have to convert all the raw material. So you have to deinterlace only the required data. The time savings as a factor corresponds to the rotation ratio for the film.

You are a those candidates who believe to know everything and yet not know anything. I taught some women have Final Cut Pro, which was more thinking along with deals to discuss, as with. You show yourself beratungsresistent, here is the failure to predict. I do not synonymous knows everything, but I know I do not know what to say with Socrates. You just have to trust those who can do it better. Even if you already know many things. Basic things you have to start of s.sehen. For example, when viewing situation. You see something and you immediately exclude the false conclusion that therefore "something must be." Here you do not understand that a lot of Video Programs do just for example, a deinterlace in the presentation, some not (MPEG Streamclip). Therefore, must of aberrations that you see on your computer monitor, not close to the whole. There are no editors who refuse to appreciate any aberrations s.Computer an attention. They control only s.Röhrenmonitoren or HD previews. But you're right, for videos, which are viewed s.Computer, the final step in the right direction. He must not. Because this is not true for DVD, DVDs are encoded for video, and especially when the encoding is tampered with much Halbbilddominazen. The DVD standard has nothing to do with computer-related events. Also normal videos played back in Quicktime Player are deinterlaced in general, often is now no longer necessary deinterlacing.

Therefore, it is useless to look at supposedly high level experts on any filter settings. One must start with a very pragmatic in the first video, with the senses absorbed through the eyes. Before the eyes is the playback device. The video gets under certain conditions and presents it to its own light dar. an equation between "Dar-position" and "How is being" wrong. That is a naive realism, not phenomenology.

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Antwort von Britta Leuchner:

Thank you for the two detailed responses. Axel, Thank you for the confirmation of the issues with Premiere, which helps a little bit of frustration about it. Even with the playing in QT Player is good that you say.

@ PowerMac: My dear, I thank thee synonymous for all your help and information, but I guess you are not older than 26 or? You make yourself a little too fast an opinion about people. This is typical for young spur. Let's have good advice as you once said that you can fall sick "to get it on the nose. I am not beratungsresistent but resistant to certain "sound" layers. You do so such experiences with people you were advised to have done, I am not so surprised. I am also active in many areas beratent but then choose a different method than I have met with you. With success, as with almost all of my employees in 3 companies.

Firstly, I am not a woman, but had chosen the name of a protagonist in a play, what I have written 7 years ago. Viewed apart from that your approach sounds rather chauvinistic and generalizing. Secondly, I work in the industry for 20 years, but not in the cut. And even fewer in the digital video applications. More in the film industry and used in music production area in which I sold in the rest of the world so s.The 12 million records and acted in the international charts, while I simultaneously wrote books, film scripts and plays, and stand as an actor before the camera.

I'm 35 now and help someone out here and work my way into the digital video was a matter, but prefer to learn without being "small" to be made. And much what you been here standest to lead just not my question and I said halt, partly already know-if you believe it or not is not relevant for me.

Autodidactical partial knowledge is not categorized as stop gaps in academic knowledge but often prevails. That is, if I do not know Step 4 means that not that I do not know step 3 or step 5 You are very quick to reprimand arrogant in your way and someone explain step 3 even though I was asked to step 4. What would have no problem if it did not happen on such a spiteful way.

If one were to ask me whether can make a Directing Assistant synonymous Script Continuity, I would not answer: Do you even know what a Directing is Wizard? I hope you understand my concern.


With all due respect,
love you for all assistance

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Antwort von PowerMac:

All the better. I got on men.
Now, what is with the theme? What was it? Incorrect Field Dominance? Or what? What helps? Still think the deinterlacing should be done before the cut?

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