Frage von Hilfesuchender_Student:
Hello.
I am fortunately after some desperate search at this forum and hope rise here finally help.
To my problem:
I would like to see a MiniDV camcorder to growth of nocturnal recordings (!) To make animals. The problem is: 1st, I am a student and so are my financial resources are extremely limited. High 400 euros would be there. And 2nd I do not think about verrecken Camera with built-in infrared LED. Only this Color Night Shot function, but just for my project totally free spirit, because I will be filming in environments where there is absolute darkness. And then everything auszuleuchten is not a good idea, or you would normally behave if I your bedroom with its station-floodlights illuminate? :)
I hope you can send me here maybe a couple of models called the best for my wallet and my project is.
Danke schon mal in advance.
Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:
Moin,
try a used SonyTRV-140E to get that has das Expect no miracles but of the part. More than einenmeterfuffzich should not be removed from the subject. The image quality is not too bad - green in green halt.
If you have an extra IR lights did - maybe yourself? - Then this should suffice.
I did so at random times a mole in the garden prosecuted.
BG
Andreas
Antwort von Hilfesuchender_Student:
Thanks for the reply. Of used equipment, I believe, however, generally far as I've had enough bad experiences have made.
My old Lord would give me one of the following cams (because of the favorable price) partially finance. The only question is whether one is an IR LED, or at least NEN wegklapbaren IR filter has.
Samsung VP-D361, or 361W
Samsung VP-D453
Samsung VP-D364W
Panasonic NV-GS 24
Panasonic NV-GS 27 EC-S
Panasonic NV-GS 17 EC-S
Canon MV900
Canon MV930
Canon MV950
Canon MVX 450
JVC GR-D 325 E
JVC GR-D 345 EC
JVC GR-D 725
SonyDCR-HC44
I hope that at least one of infrared light absorption is fit.
Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:
... Manufacturer websites which you have already beguckt? The SonyDCR-HC44E, for example, the following description in the product details:
NightShot
This function can be recorded in complete darkness (0 lux) realize. Through integrated infrared LEDs is an area of approximately 2-3 m covered. Higher ranges (up to 30 m) reach you with an optional external Smart infrared lamp. So diligently researching ...
BG
Andreas
Antwort von Jan:
Since Sony Color Night Shot already been mentioned, and failed, it is probably the most difficult.
Wegklapparen an IR cut filter used Sonyand formerly synonymous Samsung not Canon, JVC & Panasonic MiniDV Consumer.
Samsung MiniDV cameras already produce at room lighting is very dark & verauschte images, but completely inappropriate. Whether the proposed models have the feature yet - no idea. As I said, I think nothing of those. In a dark picture helps synonymous no more IR light.
NIGHTSHOT as before (green) uses the SonyHC 94 & 96th
As of Andi's HVL HIRL described, but only with the AIS s.Kameras So HC 94 / 96, 2005er in the HC 39, 42 and 90th
With the old HVL IRM requires no AIS (by rail), there must be but a battery of extra-M series are used (FM 30, FM 50, QM QM 70.71 & 90 / 91 etc).
VG
Jan
Antwort von Hilfesuchender_Student:
Hi,
thank you for all the tips. I'm now at a SonyDCR-HC23E arrived. It has Sony's NightShot, which is exactly what I was looking for. So Wegklapbarer IR filter. In addition, there I get an IR LED stralen external to stelln and hope so as at least about 15 m cover. Electricity is not a problem because of the extension cord from auto.
Just one little question: I have little idea about the shooting and wanted to know whether I am still a Wide Angle Lens growth should or I would like to know what brings me? I wanted to hold an area about 8 to 20 meters in front of the camera and in a good general coverage of approximately 6m.
What I would still be interested, how much is the betriebsgeschräusch such a camera? (a decibel specification synonymous only good if estimated would be very helpful).
PS: After I widely ungesehn in this forum, I would have to say one thing: A very great praise s.die extremely competent poster in this forum. The technical competence einniger poster here is really impressive and keep checking throughout stand. And s.die unkompetenten people: Keep you senseless with your comments please back and let the idea have to answer the questions so that the forum will remain as informative as I did it was found, thanks.
Antwort von Jan:
Hello dear visual,
with the angle would have been almost as fold. The HC 23 has 44mm focal, then about 41 ° (not 53 ° because of the smaller sensor of the HC 23) should be, so a little bit worse than our eye angle 47 °. 3m completely at 4 m distance, this will probably not be enough, I now do not get the calculator out ... At 10 m, but definitely you will get everything on it.
Ich hab mal values halved, my apartment is not so great ....
The wide-angle converter for the HC 27 If VCL HG 0725 (high) or VCL 0625 S - cheap vn most people use when original.
If the camera already purchased? The new HC 37 could be interesting, the 40x optical zoom less, with their 36 mm focal lens and the practical closure of the HC 23 had not yet.
To Nighshot, I am korigieren was grade in thought in the digicam world ...
Sony's NightShot uses infrared Led Lechter CPA in Nighshotaktivierung be moved before the lens.
When the cameras digicams have an IR cut filter to the rays of the spectrum does not pass to the sensor to figure errors.
Sorry probably was in grad thoughts.
The noise? Das wär ja mal wieder an issue for the trunk - the ultimate test for FX support.
No idea how loud is the head drum, the sounds for us are really very low, for built-in microphones but a touchstone.
VG
Jan
Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:
Sony's NightShot uses infrared Led Lechter CPA in Nighshotaktivierung be moved before the lens.
nö, there is an IR filter from the beam path
herausgeklappt and then the IR-lamp (LED) - the TRV140E below the lens attached - on.
When the cameras digicams have an IR cut filter to the rays of the spectrum does not pass to the sensor to figure errors.
How can I get with my EOS 300 D IR shots? I bolt R72 filter on it and it's ... see
Antwort von Jan:
Then the dear PhotoCommunity times inform the IR blocking filter is almost everywhere in an SLR installed.
Stefan Gross (Author of several books Canon hatt expressed here about - although it is synonymous elsewhere)
Canon EOS 400 D Ein anderes Beispiel ist die Canon 20 DA, extra für die Astrofotografie. Da sind sich selbst Profis nicht ganz einig ob bei ihr der Tiefpassfilter anders beschichtet wurde, oder der IR Sperrfilter weggelassen wurde, oder ein ähnlicher Filters with anderer Wellenlänge ihn ersetzt hat.
Und zum R 72 Filters - der ist für Filme in Verbindung with Infarotfilm!! nicht digital. Das ist ein grosser Unterschied, der UV Filters hat zb s.einer digitalen Camera keinen grösseren Nutzen als ein Schutzfilter, s.einer analogen Filmkamera sieht die Sache ganz anders aus.
Und zur LED Lampe, ich meinte with geschoben "anmachen", ja klar bei dem Platz in der Camera kann keine Lampe irgendwie seitlich verschoben werden. Dazu fehlt in den kleinen Kameras der Platz.
Das dort 100% ein IR Filters davorgeschoben wird, Sonyspricht schon of IR Leds wäre eigentlich synonymous irrational, das kann ich aber nicht behaupten, weil ich es nicht zu 100% weiss.
Sony NightShot statement And why IR filter Unfolding - if IR? If it would only logically an IR cut filter rauszuklappen, as described above of me, without him would figure errors occur. Why then speaks Sonyof IR Leds and not of Led lamps.
I think now the synonymous videocameras the IR blocking filter, and when Sonyweggeklappt is to pass the radiation, I know it is not accurate.
VG
Jan
Antwort von Jan:
Ich hab noch ml compatriots on the web. CCD and CMOS chips are very sensitive in Infarotbereich, therefore, must be comfortable in almost any camera an IR cut filter plug. The shooting was still Anders.
VG
Jan
Antwort von Bernd E.:
Maybe this link will indeed bring some light into the darkness of the digital infrared photography (and thus synonymous-filmerei):
www.fotocommunity.de / info / Digitale_Infrarot_Fotografie
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von Jan:
That I've yet written, is illogical if I only with an IR cut filter the IR area "lock", I can with a front aufgeschraubten R 72 filter the light area does not see the IR cut filter, the light waves is limited.
Bernd please tell me, everywhere, the R 72 filter (except there) in conjunction with an IR film in an analog camera market.
VG
Jan
Antwort von Bernd E.:
True: You should assume that the sensor is no light matter, because the R72 block the visible portion of the light and allows only infrared through. The IR-cut filter in front of the sensor, but exactly this should filter out infrared light.
In practice, however, so it seems to be that depending on the camera model number IR-cut filter is not blocking anything, but a certain proportion of IR-pass, which is then recorded on the sensor can be. To determine there is the trick, with the IR remote control of television into the lens to shine: When the beam on the display as a bright spot visible, the camera sensor infrared light.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von Jan:
Thanks Bernd,
ich werd mal such a filter order and with the cameras for free, the recording of the castle there with the filter has what.
VG
Jan
Antwort von Dankender_Student:
Hi folks.
I've now finally SonyDCR-HC23 purchased.
'm A layman in the field but so far I am very satisfied with the device.
It has the wegklapbaren IR-cut filter (yes, he went before is not the slightest by IR radiation). What must come next is the external IR lamps and the Witwinkelobjektiv (without the camera, I must NEN yes half a kilometer from the target area wegstelln: D).
So thank you again for your tips. And now I leave you the thread for the resulting discussion about this ominous R72 filter. Ring free: D
Bye
Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:
So, räusper:
Then the dear PhotoCommunity times inform the IR blocking filter is almost everywhere in an SLR installed. funny - there are literally hundreds of FC of the resultant images available. See, for example, synonymous
http://www.pbase.com/allonkira/infrared (Nikon D 70, nicht etwa umgebaut, and andere Modelle ), Zitat dort: "
My IR filter is the Hoya R72 "
Here, now one of my first (test-) IR-recordings, made http://www.pbase.com/allonkira/infrared (Nikon D 70, nicht etwa umgebaut, and andere Modelle ), Zitat dort: "with Canon EOS 300 D, R72 filter (so to speak, No. 1 piece of evidence, your honor):
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