Frage von sunlite:
Hi,
I have once again an issue. I need an effect. This effect is used in horror movies always welcome. For example, in "Dawn of the Dead". Da gehts - to put it briefly - to zombies. Anyone who is bitten, which is then synonymous to the zombie. And in this film there is an opening sequence.
Of the nurse comes home from work and puts together with her husband in bed. In the middle of the night is at once the daughter of about 10 meters before the bedroom door of the parents. This daughter has been bitten and is now a zombie. Only the parents know yet. The parents also look a bit puzzled and asked what was wrong. Then comes a Effect. Thus, the twitching zombie daughter in a crazy speed went off to the father to bite him.
This swashbuckling shrug that looks as if someone had cloned the actor and the layer 3 times shifted slightly, and put together our suite while still important keyframes. (Only this explanation would be too easy;) - as already tried). So how exactly do you get out one effect.
If ye can not imagine that, then I try this scene from Dawn of the Dead once cut out.
Thanks to all cases for the effort. If I knew how to hinbekäme this effect I would be super happy;)
Thanks and
Greeting
Antwort von mkrawietz:
Hi,
If ye can not imagine that, then I try this scene from Dawn of the Dead once cut out.
would be helpful
Antwort von sunlite:
Hmm
ok. Was wrong. This scene is not from the movie "Dawn of the Dead" but another horror movie. But I know now, unfortunately, not what horror movie. Once I found him, I upload the piece.
Once again, however, I try to explain exactly how this effect looks like:
Approx. 10 meters in front of the camera so there is a zombie. This zombie moves with a wrong speed on the camera. The camera does not move - it is firm. Only the zombie does not just run to the camera to remarkable in its speed, but he draws attention to the camera. At first he is shown at the left, right in the second moment. And so it goes up and down until he has arrived at the Camera. Only you can see the movements between left and right do not. The whole then acts so that the zombie crazed with speed moves towards the camera and the zombie while twitches.
In addition, the background is moving very quickly to the rear.
Perhaps we can now imagine a little bit better. I will put the video online as soon as I have the right film. (I myself there) really made a mistake.
Perhaps someone is synonymous of call you to what movie it might be. More importantly, however, is: HOW DOES THIS EFFECT BE DELIVERED;)
Thanks for your time and effort
Antwort von tfp:
I am not 100% sure, but I think it's days later from 28th
Antwort von soahC:
Moin,
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as was done in times of synonymous nem rammstein video. And even occurs in the very many horror movies and videos black metal or something.
I've since been synonymous thoughts about it once made. I think as is the whole aussenaufnahme more horny when the trees and the grass and then move in quickly and the wind sau darsteller is extremely choppy, and just in time ... so different
Antwort von sunlite:
Hi SoahC and tfp,
super. In any case you ever know what effect I mean. And I think tfp has even right. 28 days later it may have been.
But SoahC @: I must try it. Have you tried it once before filming this effect in such a way (ie, min 30th round only a step and then wait and then next)? If so, what are you so erziehlt for results? Has hingehauen?
I have changed my views, which shut everything with photos. Thus each high-resolution photos to shoot with one Photoapperat (digital of course), the 8 frames per second recording. Then it could possibly go a little faster. But of course I do not know how it looks with the movement between steps.
In any case, already a very sincere thanks.
@ SoahC: I would like to try it and see if it really works and produces the desired effect.
@ tfp: I'll be looking at again 28 Days Later and try to cut out the effect and then present it here online, so that possibly synonymous nor any other precise picture of the effect, on which we can talk to,;)
S.beide Thanks to all cases. Have you already helped me a very next time;)
Michael
Antwort von Axel:
I will look at me again trying to cut out 28 Days Later and the effect then Salut Mike. Picture-in-Picture brings analysis s.meisten anyway. I have the film not there, but I remember s.den Effect. I remember also, as an old stop-motion fan (Ray Harryhausen) at the first sight of the effect immediately s.diese technique have thought. Even today, the somewhat unnatural movement of (puppet) monsters for me is synonymous with movies. Transferred to video, the effect is amplified: Obviously, human actors, who move like dead stunt dolls, zombies. Was in "Dawn of the Dead", judging by the trailer to the technique used synonymous.
I have changed my views, which shut everything with photos. Thus each high-resolution photos to shoot with one Photoapperat (digital of course), the 8 frames per second recording. Then it could possibly go a little faster. But of course I do not know how it looks with the movement between steps. The right approach. With stop motion, there was no motion blur (and
not just synonymous "movement between the steps"), the future evolution of technology, usdurch the animator Phil Tippett (Robocop) would have to "Jurassic Park" have triggered truer dinosaurs through the use of servo motors, only the digital technology was previously.
Whether a digital camera must be, I do not know. An animation of a real person via stop-motion would then proceed. In this light, please check to exclude all natural light and only work with artificial, trees or clouds, of course, may not then be in the Picture.
But with
little shutter speed (with motion blur) can be synonymous with video and editing work in the postpro.
MUs are then two important things:
1. No. Frameüberblendung, synonymous inadvertently apply. A strobe effect
* is clearly visible.
2. For Hectic, Chopped off in the photographs MUs are simply missing movement phases, ie you'd have to delete some frames.
* See the carnage synonymous in the first battle scene of "Gladiator." No motion blur during fast movements, adding digital pixelgeschärft. Even with
deinterlacing can be - of course only increase in "i" - video - the effect, since the motion information is bisected by the rejection of a de facto
fields (simplest method: Duplicate).
Antwort von sunlite:
Hehe,
a really professional explanation;).
@ Axel: You probably found you work in this area, right?
I do this only as a hobby and therefore could not understand everything right away, what you write. But after a few glances into various specialist reading I now know what you mean.
And that's why I want to thank you for it;). Above all, I want to thank everyone who responded so quickly to this thread. Genuine madness, people.
Get me this afternoon to make the same times from testing this effect. 'm Quite nervous because of this;) hehe
So, folks. Thanks again for your support. I'm what you owe;)
Antwort von Axel:
@ Axel: You probably found you work in this area, right? Nep, I am synonymous amateur. But I read a lot.
Synonymous see the carnage in the first battle scene of "Gladiator." No motion blur during fast movements, adding digital pixelgeschärft. In the same scene you see - when the fighter's wading in the blood begins to tire, and the elegiac music part - the exact opposite of this effect: An extremely
long shutter speed, dragging their swords and axes so sticky tails behind them.
Although it is difficult working with Time Lapse (a bit already), the short exposure, such as quick flipbook effect, while conversely, a weak slow motion is needed to achieve long exposures of the tough frame fusion of the movement.
Antwort von Dennis*:
There was such an effect is not synonymous with the ring (engl. versionsmovie, not Chinese original), as the mädchena us came out to the tv?
Antwort von soahC:
Sunlite @: and, already tried several matters? If so, hats worked? And how kams s.besten over?
bin echt mal gespannt ...
Antwort von sunlite:
@ SoahC
Yes. I've tried this effect and actually like this design, as you have suggested. It emphasizes, however, lasted half an hour, but only about 10 minutes total. We have this effect before a BlueBox rotated. First is the person normally received on the camera (we have set on the floor markings, as he goes.) They are about 3 seconds off of position A to position B (Camera). Then we have exactly the same scene in 3 times rotated. However, we have now moved the selected route by a few millimeters (once) to the left and once to the right.
Then we spent with Premiere Pro 1.5, the total of 3 scenes (Scene 1, Scene 2 and Scene 3) into TIF images and then assembles them into After Effects as follows:
We have always been times each at 25 FPS 2 Picture and irregular times 2 or 3 images deleted after the main sequence (scene 1). We also have more pictures randomly deleted from the scene 1 and the empty places through images from the other scenes (replacing just the scenes that we had some left and right included). This resulted in this batting with Bildausschweifungen were entitled. (@ Dennis s.dieser point: You're right. In The Ring comes this effect synonymous super before).
The blue background, we have replaced by a dark sky with clouds, the clouds with crazed speed runs along (very quickly, we've created this cloud scene in Vue 5 Infinite). However, synonymous with the cloud scene, we've made changes. However, unlike with the earlier scenes. We've had a cloud cover which was typically larger than the entire composition. We have keyframes set s.verschiedenen bodies and thereby the animated scene in heaven always somewhat delayed.
Then we have rendered and in Ulead Media Studio then made a few finishing touches. So once again, the one or other cleared keyframe and the effect is and works. Looks real, like in the movie. But it was only a test. We even lit the blue box to get right, because we had them set up outdoors behind our garage. Behind the garage was basically the shade, so that our operator has thrown a shadow over. On the other hand, it was so bright outside, but synonymous, that the BlueBox cranky blue was really nice and the keying in AE was not a problem. (Blue box we have created the way, with A3 Kindermalpappe a quick zusammengenageltes wooden frame. 15 A3 Malbögen about 6 EUR + 10 wood slats for each 30 Ct. Then again about 3 EUR.)
Time needed: BlueBox-construction: about 20 minutes
Recording: approx 10 minutes (while various tests done)
Processing s.PC about 1 - 1.5 hours.
In just under 2 hours so everything was ready. Now of course we want this effect to use in a video clip (of course once again re-optimized and adapted to rotate the clip). If the clip is finished, I'll post here the link.
Thank you for your support. Was very helpful.
Antwort von Axel:
Congratulations. That's right, the high-tech solution!
Antwort von steveb:
If the clip is finished, I'll post here the link. that would be nice if we could simultaneously mitgruseln us ... :-)
Antwort von sunlite:
hehe @ SteveB:
the question: the problem was the following. I needed a little practice occurs in the right direction for horror effect described above even realize. not at first know how to get there rangeht s.besten.
after a couple of tips (see next above) Then I got just the solution to make it the same way as described in my last post. it was somewhat cumbersome and I had hoped that it would be easier still to be synonymous, but ultimately no one asks about the how but the result is what counts. So thanks to your help that has worked just fine.
'm looking forward to my next challenge. Finally, we have only one clip is nich effect;)
until then
michael
ps problem solved;) hehe
Antwort von steveb:
you do you here the "User of the day" when you show us schonmal the effect ... :-)
Antwort von sunlite:
@ Steve B
hehe. Only when the clip is finished. Had with this clip as some before. But would obviously listen to your response. But just by the whole clip. Does But never for long.
In short the clip: We have a song produced (professionally, but only s.Computer) and just want to make a funny clip. Since we are currently already doing so. This clip is a few well-known effect movies (like Star Wars, Matrix, Lord of the Rings and so) next take up the shovel. But the clip is generally synonymous to action. When it is finished, then I post it completely, ok;)
long does it no longer:) hehe. semesterferien and have just been working around the clock s.diesem clip.
ps but on this occasion I would be interested in your opinion to the following effect. Everything is shot himself, animated synonymous:
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I wish to this effect soon as a free workshop and of course post more;)
summer greetings
Antwort von mkrawietz:
Hello
The sky looks class !!!!!
The sword is 1A !!!!!
What bothers me a bit is the rock, the color not quite fit into the scene!
The white spots lower right ?????
I'm looking forward to the workshop :-)
Antwort von sunlite:
@ Guest:
Oh thank you:) After I poked around a bit here in the forum, I saw everyday questions like: How do you implement the effect lightsaber from Star Wars or how to create your own heaven? I thought to myself that I then immediately lays down as a workshop;)
I was also able to process the one or the other effect itself well in our video clip. So one thing led to another;)
Yes. The rocks can be sure to adjust color or better. I made it very quickly. And the white spots of the clouds. The sky was almost as BlueBox and was then replaced. The clouds I probably forgot to mask; matter), hehe.
Baba
Antwort von mkrawietz:
I then just lays down as a workshop;)
when?
Antwort von Axel:
I made it very quickly. And still viewable. With more care it would be an ideal way to drive various contemporaries, which is crummy DV to their resolution hysteria. If you tell us what you've used for a Cam ...
That would be an idea: We are doing us together and everyone who wants to provide its 10-second clip, only a 1-Chipper with included into the net.
Antwort von sunlite:
Hehe,
I did not think that this thread encountering so much interest. But cool;)
@ All:
I have the clip erstmal again put off, so I did not reveal before the workshop and all the video clip;) hehe. Come back soon, but everything is ready.
@ Axel:
Yes. So with the Resolutionpasst everything. I've used for simple images a simple Canon MV800 (Mini DV).
For more information:
20x400 (Optical zoom / Digital zoom)
2.4 (or 6.1 cm) diagonal LCD
Night Mode
16:9 High Resolution
DV Terminal (IEEE 1394)
Easy Mode and Multi Language
And of course, much more.
Simple price about one year ago: about EUR 400
To get small, I used the footage to the Canopus Pro Coder 2nd Which is very cheap (compared to many other Proggie) and press the space each file down to very nearly the same quality: Well. At least it does not recognize differences in quality:) hehe.
However, I think I have a 2-chip digicam. Times I would look in the documentation of the action. In any case, all this does not cost the earth and the recordings are authentic top.
@ All who think they have very poor quality video:
I have also experimented with demo version of Keylight and can do up here synonymous quite bad videos (of the super quality wise) (ie, especially for shots off the blue box).
So now I have to watch but still the world champion game;)
baba
Michael
Antwort von Sorben:
Cool;)
Freu mich schon
Antwort von sunlite:
hehe;)
Antwort von Bluby:
Sunlite @: Hi! ... I would be very interested, what happened?: http://forum.slashcam.de/hier-klicken-vp123928.html#123928
Greetings Bluby
Antwort von le s.:
alas, only a short time to the ring because it was easy with highspeed rotated and that's it.
Antwort von sunlite:
Hi blubby;)
kewl that someone remembers to it yet, hehe.
I passed the entrance examination to the Film and Television Academy, and there was now a full-time course for "3D Animation and VFX.
The entrance exam, I had already existed before the registration s.der Academy for Television and Film had expired. Because at that stage I was not quite ready yet synonymous with the short film I s.dieser agency then canceled the shooting. Took me then yes, I no longer synonymous, since I opted for 3D & VFX s.der Television Academy, and not for the HFF Muc.
And how it looks with you?
Greeting
