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Frage von TheDrummer:


Hi, folks!

I have my (now the appointed finally) HC1. ;-)

Now the question arises, is what the microphone I take ...

either favorable STEREO (ECM HST1) (, good stereo sound)
or more expensive 4-K (ECM HQP1) (, poorer stereo, but sound 4K)

the quality of the 4-K-mode is indeed bad, but it just surround ...

As is now playing the 4 channels on the Mac? (FCXpress)
... or will take up the transfer to the car anyway?

THX in advance!



Antwort von Axel:

"TheDrummer" wrote: Now the question arises, is what the microphone I take ...

either favorable STEREO (ECM HST1) (, good stereo sound)
or more expensive 4-K (ECM HQP1) (, poorer stereo, but sound 4K)

the quality of the 4-K-mode is indeed bad, but it just surround ...


Whether FCExpress makes auto four channels, I do not synonymous white. I would imagine, however, that the randomly recorded with 360 ° sound soup is even less palatable than what we know of to build in stereo mics already. Am I the only one, yes: amateur, who has fun mixing?



Antwort von Fargonaut:

"Axel" wrote:
... that the indiscriminately recorded with 360 ° sound soup is even less palatable than what we know of to build in stereo mics already. Am I the only one, yes: amateur, who has fun mixing?

Hi, Axel!

First of thanks for your quick response!

Frankly, I imagine from a 4K-Micro does not "sound soup" before, but just a sound that can be recognized from any direction and with what spatial distance between the "noise" is coming!

Please write if I'm wrong!

THX!



Antwort von TheDrummer:

... especially interested to know whether "normal" auto 4 channels will be transferred or whether one needs to read that somehow specially ...

THX!



Antwort von Jan:

The HC 1 In connection with the HQP 1 yields only a good stereo, 4 channel sound in the field has only the affordable HDV Canon XL H 1

Like the HC 39 / 42 - as already on it fits into a HQP 1 (4 channel Micro), unfortunately, has been with the two cameras 4 channel sound but not 2, it would have for instance, the PC 1000 / HC 90 (The cameras have control installed to be taken).

That means it must be in the camera to "4 Channel Mic" are made, as I recall, the HC 1 did not have the menu item, the HC 90 / PC 1000 already. The Sony "surround mixer" program is synonymous contain old so only on a SonyVaio, there's unfortunately the software does not individually, so some HC were 90 Members mighty hard, her Cam supported surround, the Micro Vaio gabs not synonymous but without the sound you want. Only Sony cameras with built-HQP 1 (eg. DVD 403,404,405,505) "mix" in the camera the "5:1" Sound and then not need the SonyVaio program.

For the HC 1 would still fit HW 1, which called HST 1 and the TGV 1st

LG
January



Antwort von camtv:

????? Sometimes I'm really Lafarge ..... So true .....

I once learned: There are no stupid questions, only stupid answers .... I can see fully confirmed .....



Antwort von TheDrummer:

I would now already interested in what you think .... ;)



Antwort von camtv:

Schrreib me know your concerns just by mail. Then I try to help.

LG experienced



Antwort von TheDrummer:

in the forum do not you help? * * nichtauskenn






Antwort von Jan:

If it's about the 4-channel capability of the HQP 1 in conjunction with an HC 39 / 42 / HC 1 goes, I am right, Sony has internal company data. There groossss is 5.1 surround sound with HQP 1 - HC 39 / 42 / 1 No. HC / only Stereo ... Surround sound even with HC 90 / 94 / 96 / DVD 403 / 404 / 405 / 505.

HQP 1 in conjunction with HC 39 / 42 / HC 1, only stereo!!

Not always go out of logical Any amateur can safely be synonymous even think a DVD of a Sony camcorder 100% to play in any DVD player / Edit s.PC, which is sadly not.

- A professional may be well versed in the professional area, but rarely in the consumer market ....

LG
January



Antwort von Jan:

Before searching for it again somewhere - to me nachzuweissen Error, the HC-1 has a wide stereo mode with the HPQ 1, which is exactly like the regular with 2 channels aussgestattet. The 4 channel surround sound (HC 1 + HQP is 1) not with her.

LG
January



Antwort von Peter S.:

It is a mystery to me, such as 4-channel sound will be recorded with one micro. The result is probably true surround sound from miles away.
MFG Peter



Antwort von Jan:

You are right Peter, Videoaktiv had tested the Sony surround sound views with the HC 90th I had never HQP 1 da, therefore no possibility of testing.

It came out that it is not a true 5.1 surround sound or the typical sound that still stood a surround sound feeling is, and even the stereo sound will come across very well.

Unfortunately Sonynirgendwo writes that one if the surround with a surround compatible camera zb HC 90 / PC 1000, in conjunction so synonymous not replaced.
As his third point must necessarily SonyVaio owned by the filmmaker, because only when the software "Click to DVD - or something like that is installed, the name) is.

In Internet forums, there's video then many disaffected HC bought the 90 User HQP 1 and still could not enjoy the surround sound. Only cameras HQP 1 have built-in (as already mentioned DVD 403 / 404 / 405 / 505 etc) can test the sound carefree.

LG
Jan



Antwort von Axel:

"Peter S." wrote: It is a mystery to me, such as 4-channel sound will be recorded with one micro. The result is probably true surround sound from miles away.
MFG Peter
It'll chirp of a bird's back, and Robert may not be synonymous to clear his throat during the recording. What am I missing as a conscious Choosing Camera / sound engineer, is the possibility of manipulation of such a sound recording. But these are hold different worlds:
If you are on Robert "The Drummers' go home, you realize that he - as a photographer, at least - Impressionist works. Glossy impressions without any personal opinion. To an HDV cam (HC1), which is characterized not only sharp suits, but (at high Resolutionund small chip) ALL maps distinction sharp. No eye has ever seen such a 16:9 panoramic, total focus.
I know I digress again, but our ear filters (auditory) and focus our eyes. When you hear EVERYTHING and EVERYTHING looks sharp, take it all true? Individual tones are not more important than the others? Is not that a relatively sharp?



Antwort von Jan:

Perhaps so excited the 2 channel stereo "wide or wide or ultrasound - I do not laugh I'm the exact name of Sony not noticed in the HC mode 1 in combination with HQP 1 Robert.

LG
Jan



Antwort von Jan:

Reason for the 5.1 surround feature is not in HDV (HC 1 / 3) probably the MPEG-1 Audio Layer2, compression ...

LG
January



Antwort von TheDrummer:

@ ALL:
Thank you for your contributions! I have decided and already is an ECM HST1 call my own.

Be the first to use it behind (live concert recording) and it has done well;)

@ Jan:
I am open to any constructive criticism - so talk you out of ... ;)
"Glossy impressions without any personal opinion" - that's happy to explain yourself to me more precisely?

THX @ all!



Antwort von Axel:

"TheDrummer" wrote: @ Jan:
I am open to any constructive criticism - so talk you out of ... ;)
"Glossy impressions without any personal opinion" - that's happy to explain yourself to me more precisely?

Salut Robert.
The quotation is of me. It is not meant as any championship. You're not synonymous value itself, but imagining your motives from neutral. That's okay. Your designs are attractive, so you take yourself back. In painting, it would just s.ehesten compared with the Impressionists, to: Mostly "beautiful" designs with exciting colors, preferred landscapes, painted with large, scientific respect for the lighting and the colors of reality.

What I meant to say is that a mini-HDV is just synonymous well suited to take such pictures in hi. A surround micro synonymous when it otherwise works at all. If you put the camera on a tripod, and the audience have the feeling afterwards, just to be there.

But: As soon as you swing, it's shown to the audience: I will show something!. He is aware that a consciousness behind the pictures, which controls the camera. This is film language, the perception of film works. The moment you signalisierst: I meet an election, the naturalistic and super-sharp, the absolute Rundumgehör very unnatural, because we as humans so synonymous have a choice. Only drugged our face and hearing how HDV SR function in everyday working eyes and visual cortex, such as "Focus on the essentials" and we hear how a directional microphone.
Only a tripod shot would look like over time, of course, in scenes with a lot of movement and synonymous moving camera, it is physiologically impossible to avoid, that the spectators would be poor.

Look at them in the media markets times the HD demo video with clips from "Flying Daggers". Super sharpness is always embedded in super-blur (so, as we see). The pictures are still terrific, right? Use the search function time in "depth" or "35mm adapter".

This film is, of course, in Dolby 5.1. Distribute Atmo (whispering woods, horses) of taste on the side of stereo channels, is not so difficult. When the votes previously clean with a mono-directional micro-recorded (as they were under warranty), they either come to the center, or they are in the desired volume of your s.den point gepannt (balance control in the viewer in FCE if you The mono tracks by double-clicking since hineinlädst). I am not propagating amateurs surround mixes sound good to me this is important, but this transparency of the sound you get out after a little practice already. The pros make it so, and that sounds good.
All in one pot, I just call stew.

Again, if you're interested s.filmischem expression does not need now synonymous my Zwergenaufstand not interested.

LG, Axel






Antwort von TheDrummer:

OK - now I know what and especially HOW you meant the ... * g *
I think behind the photos on my homepage is a "photographic mind".
Perhaps you've watched, not all photos ... I always try to draw the eye on what's important - usually with the aid of the depth and angle of vision.
If that does not stand out - what can be done so that the "consciousness" come out stronger?

Of course, I try to use the synonymous during the shoot (where I am, however, not been exercised in the use of such manual work;))

The surround sound you can (as Walter describes very well on its HP) synonymous with hindsight generate from a good stereo track.
That's enough for me already.
The sounds are of me synonymous brought by "panning" s.den right place.
How do I But in FCE 5.1 can create my sound is still a mystery ...

THX least for your detailed explanation;)



Antwort von Axel:

"TheDrummer" wrote: How do I But in FCE 5.1 can create my sound is still a mystery ...

No true, this lack of 3D panner. For Apple, there is no cheap solution. (Not verbatim) quote from the Final Cut Pro manual: "Nothing spoils the quality of the film so much as unprofessional mixed surround sound. Leave this mixture to a certified studio."

But atmo-Impressions in surround with language to C or L, R, which is already with FCE and A-Pack.



Antwort von TheDrummer:

Ok. * * fingerdavonlass
what is "A-Pack" and where to get it?
THX!



Antwort von Jan:

Yes my information is purely technical nature of data, there was the question of whether HC 1 with HQP 1 the "Sony" 5.1 surround sound, such as eg SonySR 90 or DVD 505 riff, and this is not the case, just like HC 39 / 42 with 1 HQP - unfortunately, only stereo.

A skilled computer user can determine audio program with a good eg of Adobe to create a 5.1 surround sound, just as one's image noise at Stillimage can effectively improve the delivery. Experienced PC audio mixer that's here already, which could certainly give hints, that's not my strong point - I admit. Axel or another Slashcam Programs can certainly give more precise tip or give it.

LG
January



Antwort von Axel:

"TheDrummer" wrote: what is "A-Pack" and where to get it?
Salut Robert. A-Pack is part of DVD Studio Pro. It is of Dolby AC-3 encoder, ie, it has far more features than the "real" Dolby Digital encoder in Compressor (not even know if it's all here for FCE). But he grabs hold synonymous only the channels L, C, R, RS, LS, and the bass together in a handy file, they must be mixed elsewhere. To this end, there are "Nuendo" of Steinberg, which is EXPENSIVE! Most major music programs (Apple's Logic or Steinberg Cubase) can mix surround synonymous, but they are not so cut to film sound and therefore less comfortable, expensive, they are synonymous.
AdobePremierePro does have a surround mixer, but why change of FinalCut would be a poor trade. The money would be invested in "Nuendo better."

The wisest decision is yours fingerdavonlaß * * what I do for the time being synonymous. Stereo sound can be synonymous super mixed, is ultimately the same thing of the necessary care here is not so burdensome and expensive.
Also: Only in a true home theater surround sound is heard. At least not with assets less than 1000 ¬, which are distributed randomly in the living room with its glass display case and the bare walls. Anyone who has covered his walls with carpeting?