Frage von produzent:
Hello!
how is that just go on?
shortly prior to my person.
I am an independent cameraman and cutter. working mainly for tv sender. I also make videos and image what else so stop in this area is needed .....
movies I currently still on DVCAM and would naturally like to look at synonymous full hd / HDCAM change. the expensive solutions such as the sony pdw-700 does not come for me to ask. the costs are simply too high. this must be thought of as a "freelancer" first times can ...
For me, the sony ex-3 particularly interesting. but what is this nonsense that the camcorder does not record more tapes? is ne nette sache with memory chips, however, total nonsense. The problem is there when my productions to the transmitters, I need to bring the whole yes again on tape. However, even the maz to camera "belongs" can not spend on tape. therefore should also be an "extra" maz ago. Furthermore, it is always a twist in the raid system mithaben to the chips to get empty again.
Also the big problem is that I often have clients for whom I film and which I then simply tape mitgebe. done. yes that would be synonymous not work anymore.
There are other people here synonymous for this problem is spruchreif? I would be interested in what it thinks about this and what solutions you have considered!
Antwort von Zizi:
Well .. and this is the future!
tape is super .. but that was only a matter of time until this would come.
VHS-> DVD-> Provided the BlueRay habens us!
I can give you only one tip type, and that is synonymous not cheap and is not yet widespread.
BlueRay.
You could synonymous everything to a USB stick save ... (64-32GB gibts da ja synonymous already halbwechs normal prices)
But everything is not to replace the tape!
Also in picture quality tape is still better than all the digital stuff!
If photos are not different:
Analog Good photos are a feast for the eyes against the whole Jpeg compression stuff!
Convenient to the major donors (0815 users) is bad for freelancers and professionals like you ..
Antwort von tobi1977:
One thing is most times pretty sure that the time of the tapes over, one way or another, even if they altvorderischen habit of offenders in the channels for one to two years and in several papers Specified still be required.
I know such a Pappenheim of technical director at a broadcasting company, from the toot and bladders of today know very little wants, along with all his colleagues in a similar position, just ahead of the pension is
What is required today and said, you can have in 6 months, very different and this case you can with 100% certainty say ..........
Antwort von Chrissigorn123:
@ Zizi:
The tape is synonymous digitally recorded. I guess you do tapeless digital storage medium?
I myself am a great friend of tape, but the quality, the hard drive or chip is being recorded today, the quality of the video tape equal. At least in the consumer area.
And that images that are photographed on film, are better than those who are digitally recorded, it is nonsense. How come you do it?
Antwort von flo_g:
If the possibly mean that, in recent years, everything has improved?
Or will only cheaper and disposable?
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Producer
There is clammy secretly instead of a paradigm shift. Were 10 years ago the broadcaster nor those with the highest quality equipment to work and the cost of the equipment is an effective entry barrier for "everyone", there is today for a few EUR s.Markt device that not only s.die qualities approaching, but they have taken. The result, however, is quite useless synonymous call for more and more driven now Resolutionund course the broadcaster before him.
In a few years ago, when the consumer industry once it really has managed to synonymous real 1080er HD built, the pressure, synonymous in the TV area 1080p50 to realize increasing. Also directed the industry to approve 10bit one. Monitors are already there, the interfaces are now synonymous and it makes BluRay player from the home synonymous possible.
And since we are now, with our tiny bands, more than the mere 25 MBit not create us in the crucial moment is always the perfect Dropout deliver and so miserable in the SNR are that we have over 8 do not come out. Not to mention the chroma subsampling in to us at the synonymous Post no real pleasure .... and not even the size corresponds to what our future broadcasters will decrease - there are exceptions -
As a freelancer you should be synonymous, the Prices for a new drum head and not unknown to the fact that barely a service technician Vorort they can change. Time, quite apart from that one synonymous in extreme weather conditions, something that's not happy. Humidity and the heat set very nice to participate and the error correction is almost ans Concealment.
If you ask me, there has long been the reason for a change .... Panasonic makes it great for us since 6 years ago and the workflow is now in the broadcast area as introduced and especially so stable that no longer on talking about how unusual it probably is.
If the EX1 / 3 synonymous in a few years in such a stable situation and will be introduced, as is synonymous None more complaining. But as a newcomer in the business, it is always tainted with bugs .... Sonyja now synonymous the world does not broadcast its proprietary discs may be happy .... That would perhaps ... what became, at least for Sony.
So the laptop s.Set his constant companion ... and I must say, it works well. For tripod work synonymous happy times directly into the MAC, synonymous when long sequences are required. Perfect solution. No capture everything from her short incision can be sampled and the measurement are those of the post .... perfectly.
In the current, I have to admit, is somewhat strenuous, even if it is a MacBook Air umhängt.
Pity that it does not exist Broadband wireless.
Synonymous shame that hackers do not just look at the camcorder and software has caught a second external partition to all the panels built-in cameras to the consumer has programmed. ....
I know there are now calls for the loss of warranty and all the stuff ...
I say yes synonymous only that I find a pity because the camera is all that the data on the HD to write ... so why should not allow diversions.
Then would come to the Camera Laptop s.der away and would just directly through the small HD to be replaced .... Prima thing, almost like a tape ... and equal s.jede Post anhängbar.
Thus,
producers, because we are ... I think, but actually not so bad.
Antwort von snakenic:
Hello,
I have another problem with what should be the whole Bandlosaufzeichnungen to do. The archiving. Yes surely now come the questions when you the last time the archive has taken hold. In general, almost never but if I have a project over a long period, and accompanied only after almost a year to start cutting, then the archive dochr synonymous, right? So now with a friend. He had the task of a project over a year abzudrehen and then deliver the film. The cut would now have been due in March. He had shot with HVX 200th Everything super sharp images all consistent. Ok the only Supergau. He had about 280min material on harddrive to lie to him and the smears then 1 week before the start of the cutting work. No rescue attempts by various geeks arrive. The HD was out and with all your material. He now has an action for non-fulfillment of the contract and the s.Hals will not cheap out. The last stand is that he probably sealed his shop can do. Certainly he had ever at such an important project a backup HD can create. Had he, he had not accused and he must have fallen. BUT when I go into the tape archive and spiehl stop everything again. And when a tape highlights the hooves are the raw material and 60 min not the whole Project.
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Antwort von flo_g:
Hello,
I have another problem with what should be the whole Bandlosaufzeichnungen to do. The archiving. Yes surely now come the questions when you the last time the archive has taken hold. In general, almost never but if I have a project over a long period, and accompanied only after almost a year to start cutting, then the archive dochr synonymous, right? So now with a friend. He had the task of a project over a year abzudrehen and then deliver the film. The cut would now have been due in March. He had shot with HVX 200th Everything super sharp images all consistent. Ok the only Supergau. He had about 280min material on harddrive to lie to him and the smears then 1 week before the start of the cutting work. No rescue attempts by various geeks arrive. The HD was out and with all your material. He now has an action for non-fulfillment of the contract and the s.Hals will not cheap out. The last stand is that he probably sealed his shop can do. Certainly he had ever at such an important project a backup HD can create. Had he, he had not accused and he must have fallen. BUT when I go into the tape archive and spiehl stop everything again. And when a tape highlights the hooves are the raw material and 60 min not the whole Project. Exactly why is the prof. Area the tape will never be replaced by memory cards! Furthermore, it would not be financed!
Which broadcaster wants its freelancers because a box of cards per week to give? When SWR I can but every time my tapes (new) pick .....
Antwort von Pianist:
Exactly why is the prof. Area the tape will never be replaced by memory cards! Furthermore, it would not be financed! Oh what. I turn for one year to three-quarters hard (Fieldpaks) and solid-state storage (Flashpaks) and then make copies on two 500GB removable hard drives, the s.getrennten places shall be kept. Someone, I know that's been almost ten years. I think that is sufficiently secure and durable, it is also much cheaper than HDCAM SR cassette.
For me the way, the archive is extremely important, because I am usually on material from many years back should be.
Matthias
Antwort von flo_g:
@ snakenic
How about with the inansprucnahme a professional data recovery company.
the cost amounts to Euro 1000-200.
would surely cheaper than its loading up?
in germany there are some speizialisierte company dafuer.
Rueb
Antwort von Login_vergessen:
A solution for
all, there will be no more. Previously, we had Beta SP and everything was good. Now everyone must decide for themselves which devices to suit the respective application or not. Basically I like tapes synonymous, synonymous safe because it is a "familiar" is working. I then times synonymous with "attachment" HDD recorders worked. Cut was great, the handling was not my thing.
Currently I liebäugel with the new HVR-hybrid cameras of Sony, the HDV / DVCAM tape parallel to and record card can. Must be the day but still try whether the unpleasant surprises by the Rolling shutter CMOS sensors synonymous can set, if the shutter is off.
From the store on DVD / BluRay times I think nothing, because as long as they keep the media so nobody can guarantee ...
Antwort von flo_g:
As one of the garkeine think I did know that my future films un synonymous something like SD will get smart cards, small and handy so that my VHS / DVD / Blu Ray collection is not only synonymous but good double copy protected in a small box can aufbewaren .
On the topic of securing it behaves the same, everything looks with mechanics has to do is destroy.
Antwort von Daigoro:
@ snakenic
How about with the inansprucnahme a professional data recovery company.
the cost amounts to Euro 1000-200.
would surely cheaper than its loading up?
in germany there are some speizialisierte company dafuer.
My colleague had to take time. What exactly, I do not know anymore. Functioned quite well, but is not cheap grad.
Since he makes a backup of 4! Hard disks (so-small 2.5 "which can be switched in series) and invites the most important documents again nem 'virtual harddisk' providersinstitutions high.
And since we are now, with our tiny bands, more than the mere 25 MBit not create us in the crucial moment is always the perfect Dropout deliver and so miserable in the SNR are that we have over 8 do not come out. Not to mention the chroma subsampling in to us at the synonymous Post no real pleasure .... Mr. Wunderlich - here you speak of "tape" or of "HDV"?
Antwort von snakenic:
And with the hard data to be used as an archive, we have enough Mechank!
Antwort von Pianist:
And with the hard data to be used as an archive, we have enough Mechank! Yes, but I think it is relatively unlikely that precisely now the two plates with the same content at the same time break.
Matthias
Antwort von Daigoro:
Yes, but I think it is relatively unlikely that precisely now the two plates with the same content at the same time break.
Matthias Is synonymous unlikely, but depending on how tightly you s.Murphy 's Law believes will occur exactly when because it ensures recordings are irreplaceable. :)
The "Disaster Management" Our specialist Slip sitting 2 seats behind me - if you lose your faith s.Wahrscheinlichkeiten want, you just need ma ne half hour with him entertained. :)
Antwort von snakenic:
You have right, I had written it synonymous for the criticism that it should be - he had these are hard to secure to use.
There must be something still be observed. I work for a synonymous smaller regional stations. The s.Mittwoch me before the holidays my current orders for the holidays and the weekend Brückentag where. NIF's total of 12 resident, I had to bring raw material. Deliver was today (Monday) 12 Nif'sx about 8 min to 96 min raw materials. So I have done today 2 tapes. How is the memory card at work? DH, I would need for a HVX 3 of the 32 GB cards. Time, aside from the cost of about 1500 Euros per piece wahnsinn are synonymous would rummeckern the station because he is now working with the archiving to tape has (Umkopieren)
Antwort von Zizi:
Analogue photography is not better but at wide neutrallere photos.
Digital content consists only of 0 and 1EN and thus we compute with this effort never analog media can be replaced!
Comparison times Analog Still a good image with a digital!
Just the colors speak volumes.
It's like television.
Of course, LCD & co the higher resolution, sharpness and flicker-free but s.einem perfect tube monitor their parole None can offer!
Why use professionals probably still tubes to check (yes because of the synonymous Hz).
At the same tape ists ...
Until the movie industry on HDD or flash pass go 1-2 years but not 10 (until then UltraHD etc.) because it is still functioning s.besten medium.
The best cameras still use all the tape, which is synonymous in the next 4-5 years.
(Oh yes, I am no Fanboy, hab ne Pana SD1 themselves and others.)
Antwort von Login_vergessen:
The best cameras still use all the tape, which is synonymous in the next 4-5 years.
Oh so ... then frag mal "Pianist", where he tapes in his Editcam reinpackt ...
Antwort von Chrissigorn123:
Zizi @: I can honestly no difference between a good image out of my writer EOS 400D and a good analogue SLR recognize. I am not an expert synonymous, vllt. there are indeed differences, but I do not know what's wrong. Only s.der calculation? Is there really so much quality is lost with a good digital chip?
With the tape you could be right medium. It is certainly far too expensive, the whole television industry in a few years converting. However bspws produced. ARTE s.kommenden years synonymous only in HD.
Antwort von Daigoro:
Zizi @: I can honestly no difference between a good image out of my writer EOS 400D and a good analogue SLR recognize. Still Image / Movie / Digital nochmal ne is another question. My Photo Exfreundin Phile (only Leica - R6, M6 - so I could not even make a stop Image: D) would have you for so ne statement paved, and grooved with your EOS chased out of town.
For tape / card / board / Optical isses ne other questions. The 0EN and 1EN rather it should be no preference on what medium they are written.
Modern tape drives (there's the even of Zony) creating more than synonymous perfectly 25MBit / s (about 3 MByte / s?). 60 to 80 MByte / s (480-640 Mbit / s?) Are already there, but not found in cameras, but at "Stream".
Since the expensive 800 GB tape then ~ 100 Euros (and is synonymous few hundred times without losing data describe) - and the 16 GB SxS card or the 32GB P2? : D Is it maybe because the Reibach do better?
Antwort von Zizi:
Well for a DSLR Photos s.PC bedrachtet been mostly nice .. alone because many pixels with much more details can be seen with analogue cameras!
But when pictures of a normal analogue cameras with a sharp today like I usually compares the analog better!
The whole impression Picture ...
Antwort von Daigoro:
.. alone because many pixels with much more details can be seen with analogue cameras! The monitors create gaengingen yes grad ma 1.7 to 2 'megapixel' (ok, apple cinema and similar 30 "he created 4) - in other words instead of the 10 Megapixel Picture purely to zoom, can be synonymous to the same field of view according to choice.: )
Really NEN advantage higher resolution when you print posters.
Antwort von flo_g:
Hello folks!
So the recording medium can be comforted by the media as a surrender to the user or for archiving separately considered.
I would as a recording medium a loose mechanik prefer. So Flash - clearly!
For the archive is still not an appropriate mass medium found, except perhaps streamer. But here are synonymous flash soon replace the hard disks and then a man with RAID5 / 6 from which well served when the data density achieved. Optical media does not hold very long magnetic tapes and take too much space.
In addition, videotapes the built disadvantage that only one format (or only proprietary format) record. The file-archives is not so. As you can AVCHD DV beside beside beside MPEG2 ... next ... pack.
As a transfer medium s.eine broadcaster I imagine http (s) before. Why must always be physically handed over? That will soon change. And then asks synonymous None more after the original recording medium! Then just play the recording format of the Codec and a role.
Regards
Lars
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Lars
This is probably the way to be. Perhaps there will be some smaller stations still take some time until the infrastructure is, but the major broadcasters now proceed so.
Also you must at times synonymous tape to see that the current shelf life with 10 years respectively.
The durability of the DVD has become synonymous materially changed since Aluminiumbedampfungen but no one chromium-aluminum alloy used.
For the normal DVDs / BRS are 50-80 years, and the goldbedampften with 200 years are specified.
Well, we will not know if it's true.
But the main problem is yes for some time that no longer the institution is the problem, but the hardware and software.
This applies, incidentally synonymous to the HD, because the prices are quite attractive in the field (117 EUR for 1 TB), synonymous to long-term archiving.
But who has ever tried to, data of his old HD in a calculator to get 80/90er years, will know how difficult it is. NASA in 1999 found that they s.die the data 1975er VIKING mission is no longer ran. So only 20 years old ... and at the NASA ... So what should the video enthusiast to do?
I believe the remains at the moment only the DVD / BR. especially synonymous when it synonymous one day more than 8 bits because he wants to make will not D5 or HDCAM SR want to stand up.
Antwort von Daigoro:
Since my studies I do not think secret: P
http://www.searchstorage.de/themenbereiche/storage-hardware/fundamente/articles/116026/
Antwort von WoWu:
And what does Mr. George Purrio say with this realization? The fact that we are not on the disk seat lift, or that a cold storage is important .... oh really? ... na we will probably all be a tray in the refrigerator for our archives free of mind.
Antwort von Quadruplex:
Also you must at times synonymous tape to see that the current shelf life with 10 years respectively. Strange - I have 25 year old VHS tapes to properly run, 30-year-old compact cassette, just old tapes - no problem. And with many other old bands is the biggest problem, nor the right (and functional) players to find. MiniDV there's only been 13 years - but so far I have nothing from the big bands dying heard Mr. Wunderlich ...
But who has ever tried to, data of his old HD in a calculator to get 80/90er years, will know how difficult it is. If it is not a box from a PC's Stone is, it should not be a problem. All IDE versions are backward compatible to my knowledge, that is: A fully functional IDE hard drive of 1990 should s.einer current (parallel) IDE interface running. Difficult (if not impossible synonymous) could only older SCSI versions. And in a few years if it is only S-ATA, there may be different.
NASA in 1999 found that they s.die the data 1975er VIKING mission is no longer ran. To my knowledge, it is a good old data tape system - no hard drive.
Antwort von WoWu:
May well be those who stop listening umhört little bit ....
Antwort von Daigoro:
There's ne table with dates - you have to click slightly.
Here synonymous: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Langzeitarchivierung
Do not know where your 10 years durability Holton, because your sources so reluctant to disclose, but if in the fridge 20 degrees prevail, it is broken - I'm sach as layman.
Antwort von WoWu:
I believe my sources are not secret, but synonymous'm not too lazy to search, as some who know before you put your feet so that they see it at all.
As for the tapes, it must be quite different, whether it disintegrated, what they naturally do not like Quadruplexes finding confirmed whether the above use binders, with which the magnetic Metalloxydpulver on the tape is applied, the polyurethane tends to at high humidity to dissolve itself and purpose of the head.
Of course, synonymous with Quadruplex head smeared the old Grete Weiser watch movies more ... but broadcasters see it slightly differently.
Antwort von flo_g:
Hello!
Strange - I have 25 year old VHS tapes to properly run, 30-year-old compact cassette, just old tapes - no problem. I should caution doubt that you have differences with the original hear / see would. The flattening of analog tapes can be heard simply not true. While digital media is an inverted bit (very likely) may have a defective Picture.
And with many other old bands is the biggest problem, nor the right (and functional) players to find. This is yet to do so. But probably in other media (DVDs) synonymous the case.
Here is a quote of my
shelf life of CD-ROM (this audio CDs).
Who says that the information provided by the manufacturer all agree? And when I look at the thickness (0.1 mm) in the surface layer BluRay look, makes me not confident about the durability.
Hard disks have the decisive advantage _schnell_ copy them. As can be synonymous every 5 years more RAID systems to acquire and archive without great effort "fresh" hold.
With me is the bewärte practice.
Regards
Lars
Antwort von Daigoro:
I believe my sources are not secret, but synonymous'm not too lazy to search, as some who know before you put your feet so that they see it at all.
Well, if you have researched and s.Ende is a 30, but to us as of the 10 'holy number' convince, you must have to do more than to sulk.
Could well be that the 30 is wrong, but I see what you do not see 'play brings us very little.
I could just as well I'd say the Jesus video to MiniDV - 2000 years old and guaranteed genuine - you have to do is believe. : P
with high humidity to dissolve itself and purpose of the head.
Then you would all understand what the Lord wanted to say Purrio us.
Bravo.
Antwort von Quadruplex:
I should caution doubt that you have differences with the original hear / see would. The flattening of analog tapes can be heard simply not true. For analog audio recordings, ie Compactcassette / Open coil band likes to impairments that are measurable, but not yet heard. Then they do not interfere. Incidentally, Sieh Dich doch mal in the SA-CD titles to classics. Then were the original tapes from the 1950s excavated - and the sound good.
For analog video mistaken you: Virtually all the analog method, the video does not draw directly on (which is the main difference to pure audio tapes - except a little NTC and equalization, the signal on the tape fairly directly to the original AC), but modulate the frequency a carrier wave. As long as the read, there's little stress, should the FM signal is not clean to read, Your Picture is barely visible.
This is yet to do so. But probably in other media (DVDs) synonymous the case. DVD and CD are likely due to their massive proliferation of this problem theoretically be affected. But try to play Laserdisc ... Or, if you still say what a TED video disk. But synonymous eight track cassette, ELCaset or the format of the video from the early days are so difficult to know: Video 2000, or even Betamax CVC today are hard nuts - even though the tapes probably in order.
Here is a quote of me About this message I am very surprised. I buy CDs since 1984. I have only come back recently with my collection
Exact Audio Copy Exact Audio Copy Exact Audio Copy
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Daigoro
Without your search .... na, we call it easy-fatigue support to want to, but there is a case study of the IZT (Institute for Future Studies and Technology Assessment) in Berlin.
http://www.izt.de/
The study is, (especially the synonymous cross-references) quite interesting.
http://www.izt.de/pdfs/Studie_Digitale_Langzeitarchivierung.pdf
Synonymous is interesting to observe how sloppy the Wikipedia information is handled and researched as a reliable source (not only in this respect) again disqualify:
The study is of 2004 ... not so old forever.
Then ((15.3.2004) Page 8 of study)-wrote with Wikipedia or magnetic tapes hold 1-3 years, calls you on the table today, 30 years have suddenly become.
So are the old tapes of the 40s, 50s, 60s and 70s suddenly become better, because the assessment of 2004 but significantly different?
(I was trying to empty this idiocy just to demonstrate once again in 1-3 years to change, and was already in the Eingabemastke .... hab'es but then left because a system like Wikipedia synonymous of s.absurdum alone leads ... it can be so alone try and find that each "HansWust" its crap because it can write and how unreliable and unsecured be the statements by)
Studying the study (+ links) exactly, but it is a good insight into the status of long-term archiving receive. I need not emphasize that there is a whole bunch of good studies on this subject, you should work through to such a theme synonymous to penetrate.
Wikipedia Individual tables are suitable for this purpose rather not ... synonymous to the interviews of Mr. Purrio, although a high entertainment value but have little new content Erkenntinsse contribute.
Search Our claim is thus apparent.
Antwort von Premiere 6.0 + DV500 x XP:
Hello,
I have another problem with what should be the whole Bandlosaufzeichnungen to do. The archiving. Yes surely now come the questions when you the last time the archive has taken hold. In general, almost never but if I have a project over a long period, and accompanied only after almost a year to start cutting, then the archive dochr synonymous, right? So now with a friend. He had the task of a project over a year abzudrehen and then deliver the film. The cut would now have been due in March. He had shot with HVX 200th Everything super sharp images all consistent. Ok the only Supergau. He had about 280min material on harddrive to lie to him and the smears then 1 week before the start of the cutting work. No rescue attempts by various geeks arrive. The HD was out and with all your material. He now has an action for non-fulfillment of the contract and the s.Hals will not cheap out. The last stand is that he probably sealed his shop can do. Certainly he had ever at such an important project a backup HD can create. Had he, he had not accused and he must have fallen. BUT when I go into the tape archive and spiehl stop everything again. And when a tape highlights the hooves are the raw material and 60 min not the whole Project.
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Antwort von Jan:
[quote = "Chrissigorn123"] @ Zizi: I can honestly no difference between a good image out of my writer EOS 400D and a good analogue SLR recognize. I am not an expert synonymous, vllt. there are indeed differences, but I do not know what's wrong. Only s.der calculation? Is there really so much quality is lost with a good digital chip?
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This is synonymous a bad comparison, we have been fair to ESO and a Canon 400 D with a Canon EOS 300 X and compare synonymous with a similar lens and not with a Leica lens world leaders. You can not synonymous Corsa 2008 1.0er against a 1992 Firebird 5.7er V 8 applies to.
Since I s.and be successful photographers (at concerts in Munich) meet, you can make as a Picture.
Almost every digital photographs with only a small amount s.Hochglanzfotografen still uses the analog systems, because the noise ratio and dynamic range of such funds and large format cameras are not of a digital camera to beat.
DDP (a very famous news agency) has most recently for Nikon digital cameras D 3 decided - that are absolute professionals:
Antwort von DWUA:
Even if it goes OT, and we are tired of it soon, here again
on this page indicates the need to:
www.langzeitarchivierung.de
@ Wowu
That table, as in your link under 2.4.1. Is of course a
April Fool's joke - a bad one.
@ Quadruplex
We edit synonymous Magnettonbänder from 60/70ern.
What is almost as s.Tonqualität since 40/50 years old, is
often surprisingly positive.
But here is synonymous: There are very good and very bad material.
Unfortunately, we only offer
personal experience and
Unfortunately, fewer "studies" posted. Only READ.
(Also in the glass beads).
;))
Antwort von flo_g:
Hello!
About this message I am very surprised. I buy CDs since 1984. I have only come back recently with my collection
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... ... DDP has last for Nikon digital cameras D 3 decided ...
Ddp And of course, not only to ensure that digital technology has changed: With analog cameras is in the current press photography for many years the state has more to do.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von WoWu:
@ DUWA
That table, as in your link under 2.4.1. Is of course a
April Fool's joke - a bad one.
Perhaps .... so the source is here: WIKIPEDIA
Only the results of CBS and FOX, which is now on Datentape umkopieren give conventional magnetic synonymous for not much longer ago.
When Wikipedia was so right? 2004 or 2008?
But I certainly agree with you too .... it always comes to the individual material .... We had even already brand new video material, which after a few games already decomposed and the heads hopelessly zusetzte .... I may as s.den Fuji scandal in the late 90s remember.
Antwort von B.DeKid:
... ... DDP has last for Nikon digital cameras D 3 decided ...
Ddp And of course, not only to ensure that digital technology has changed: With analog cameras is in the current press photography for many years the state has more to do.
Gruß Bernd E.
Thanks Bernd - something I wrote yesterday, sometimes .... but when I then pressed the wrong button and the text disappeared I left it there. Because in fact the discussion of guilt, no results will lead.
As mentioned above, you can not digitally against / with analogous comparisons.
Wherever it goes to print digitally wins - because quick easy and cheap enough and completely synonymous.
The Crop of Digital Cameras behaved (except for the exceptions in the Pro reserved meanwhile where no or very little crop occurs) you can not really compare with analog.
The material on analog digitizer is synonymous not very easy and requires spizielle and hardware etc.
In the reserved TV / press is so synonymous a flash-based storage solution for video, because it is simply much faster than using tape.
How to archive is now this is not umbedingt the task of a camera but rather the broadcaster Admin s task.
But I can only note that the archive is not hard to umbedingt is the bringer. The plates should be after archiving synonymous stored as a current record only a certain amount of time worked.
Currently I am sure my stuff on Monday and NAS streamer
Alla my mustard relating to
MfG
B. DeKid
Antwort von produzent:
so, I am now synonymous to the subject again!
underlying lying, I've no problem with memory chips, as long as everything works. synonymous, I'm willing to accept and apply new. ('m None of these old Cracker s.liebsten the sp would still beta :-)
only is the expense for me already a lot higher.
the problem is in any case that I have extra to buy an additional maz must continue so that I can deliver s.sender normal. only then do I have to think about what I put for a maz besorgs
is useful in any case, one that is full hd (otherwise I would be qualified to the cam can never use.)
Thus would the problem of archiving synonymous with it. ---> Just rausspielen on tape.
synonymous, the topic that you raid disks mitschleppt for me is conceivable. 've rather individual short shoots but s.stück. (ie about playing in the car ...)
just as I will explain the insurance that I always expensive vehicle (raid / laptop) are in the car, there is still a mystery to me (It's not synonymous assured when so much is ...)
is already heavy:
if I then click the camera that I have to transfer:
1. obtain the camera
2. enough battery (because sony had so absolutely out a new)
3. enough memory
4. raid disk system
5. laptop
6. maz
which are perhaps the cost of the camera to double ....
and then hold still remains the problem with the strange turn. So where I only had the tapes delivered.
I must be extra to the maz play on tape and extra deliver
and then there will be a give it to DVCAM still want to have, but then an even hd (blue ray) and the other turn a MiniDV tape.
'm curious whether there is such a multi-maz there .....
Nevertheless, that's a cheese if one of the daily lives and these expenses must operate .... (on if it has certain advantages)
Antwort von DWUA:
@ Producer
You are sitting between the chairs.
The one or the other you will soon be synonymous moved.
@ Wowu
Is it not the latest efforts back to celluloid?
Course to another, better?
On very, very big name?
For the purpose of archiving?
In any case there is something nice to read:
www.taz.de/index.php?id=archivseite&dig=2004/02/05/a0220
Have fun in spite of OOT,
;)
Antwort von flo_g:
Celluloid is much more used than some people imagined.
So now I could finally synonymous times a spam signature post:
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Antwort von flo_g:
@ Host
Thank you for calling attention to the literature, which seems to be reading one of your standard and probably corresponds to what your reading is close to ... but you're certainly not bad, though I think that it's not everyone's thing.
@ DWUA
I wrote the article is not yet, but sounds nice ...
(What is OOT?)
But seriously: The Frauenhofer Institute and the University of IFN Brunswick research from the laser with a very simple digital code on the film, because the reproduction is extremely easy and the code for handling any future read. (Millennium Project, for those who want to investigate).
It is 3¼ film in 32x45 grid on the film brought. Nevertheless, the 61.7 GByte per 100m film. Currently, it is still s / w you later want synonymous with the colors work ... to 3-fold to reach.
So there are really serious aspirations of both the carrier problem as synonymous, the interface and the software problem.
Unfortunately, the re are no methods for the private user.
- Incidentally, I had to forget my last day to say: Of course I agree with you in relation to the Hirnrissigkeit the table completely. Just because you can mal sehn how careful you must be with wikipedia and if you look at it with his left recherche .... na bravo!
Antwort von WoWu:
aaachhhh. forget.
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Producer
I would not chairs with the times so grimly, she has been very successful working with P2 and the broadcaster have long used well and can handle it.
So, you actually jump on a galloping horse that is fairly far forward in the race is.
Can only hope that other cards are not a lame duck.
(See data loss or workflow maps cross-Files of the EX1)
Antwort von WoWu:
Small correction above: It should read 41.7 not 61.7 GByte Gbyte. Sorry, we could not edit because: forget login.
Antwort von Daigoro:
- Incidentally, I had to forget my last day to say: Of course I agree with you in relation to the Hirnrissigkeit the table completely. Just because you can mal sehn how careful you must be with wikipedia and if you look at it with his left recherche .... na bravo!
The observant reader has noticed that in the first (in the study) table of "QIC80" ( "Quarter Inch Cartrige" - the "80" he is mad and 80 MB from the early days of the standard) tendons are talking about (which was was already rather 'quick and dirty' solution for backups - for 3-4 Mark Pro + tape - one has even the smallest of small company and changed annually at the time about 100 times described - long time never had the right), in the Wikipedia current table of general "Magnetbaendern".
"Magnetbaender" is naturally blurred as Griesbrei and even if the 100 years Manufacturer warranty on its volumes exist - if it's broke, you get a new, and your data is gone or stay still you must restore expensive litigation.
Sounds first bitterly, but with the other digital media is not synonymous better. Even a guaranteed shelf life of Manufacturer of x years, never really means that the device is not just a few hours after the spirit can give. Unlikely? Yes. Impossible? No..
Anyone who believes his small home-RAID is a data "Fortress" has not worked long enough with computers and digital storage.
(I like moderately video amateur, but in IT are driving me more than two decades of rum, because it makes his experiences synonymous).
At the moment the safest solution is to so many different media as possible to save - Giesskannenprinzip.
In the amateur field cost above all time - in the "professional" field is as good time and coal in it. And all so that it 'easier' is. :)
And if I sometimes synonymous across noergelig and negative mag, but I admire secretly and quietly stopped this' best case scenarios' with which new cases must be durchgedrueckt.
If s.Ende where it's burning, which of course could not foresee. : D
Antwort von Quadruplex:
We edit synonymous Magnettonbänder from 60/70ern.
What is almost as s.Tonqualität since 40/50 years old, is
often surprisingly positive.
But here is synonymous: There are very good and very bad material.
No contradiction. My experience is, however: If it crunches, then relatively quickly. I remember with horror s.die Compact cassette in the early 1970s - from Ludwigshafen, I have always quite fast kaputtgekriegt ...
The same company in the 1980s had a bigger problem at ZDF, because the coating of some video tapes after a few months ago has dissolved. There are probably a couple of television shows in Orkus landed ...
From Ampex synonymous, there were probably times a whole series of (semi-) professional tapes, coating the back after a few years will be tough. Has led to appalling squeaking noises and usually quite quickly to switch off the tape machine. Against this problem, there's still 'nen nice trick: the tapes two hours at 60 ° in the oven set ...
And then here are some likely to have problems s.die of Sonywith Hi8 remember. As far as I know, there was with the Sony PortaPaks (these were the black-and-mobile-video tape of the first generation) has similar problems ...
Of course, synonymous with Quadruplex head smeared the old Grete Weiser watch movies more ...
Unobjective, if you no longer know next is, of course, synonymous' ne way ... In German, incidentally, you write 'Grete Weiser-movies'.
To back relating to times to come: The perfect disk does not exist and it will probably never exist. If an idiot the film spool before developing open, everything is gone, what if the development goes wrong, ditto. Who with film / video Money earned must be for all the backup media to worry about.
Currently, in fact, look at tape camcorders have an advantage in the workflow. This is really tedious to transfer to the PC. Then you have the data on the calculator and can work with (and save them), how to be funny. The originals can be sufficiently inexpensive and long-term stable storage. This I see with memory cards yet. Means, however: One must just his reorganize workflows. One advantage of the whole Digitalgerümpels is, however, that any number of copies (and copies of copies) without quality loss can create. Only then you need to download the synonymous ...
Antwort von yeah:
In the weekly magazine c't (TV) was some time ago times article on the longevity of the CD / DVD: A disaster.
As a long-term backup medium unsuitable. The German Federal Archive Video must totally change its strategy. Saved will be dynamic and redundant to HDD. All information is dynamically and constantly re-written it may be repaired. An expensive solution in the amounts of data. The Archive currently provides no other way, the picture treasure for future generations.
What I want to say: it is surely obvious that the long-term storage with hardly anything to the storage media themselves have to do, but is an organizational issue.
Only in the permanent and dynamic redundant Umkopieren is the solution to be found
Antwort von Daigoro:
Only in the permanent and dynamic redundant Umkopieren is the solution to be found
Copying alone is not synonymous, or a lump sum can not assume that the 1 from the original has sent synonymous than 1 when the copy arrives. You need the data after the copying process to verify, otherwise synonymous finds a creeping degradation of the data.
Antwort von yeah:
True and that is in my text so synonymous mentioned
Antwort von Daigoro:
But only in a subordinate clause. :)
I wanted to emphasize it again because it was not so obvious copy of the story.
Of course, digital data can be 1:1 (or 0:0) copy, but it must be synonymous' zero tolenance 'Copy Tools.
Antwort von Quadruplex:
In the weekly magazine c't (TV) was some time ago times article on the longevity of the CD / DVD: A disaster.
DVD-RAM and MO media in this regard should be significantly more reliable. Monday, unfortunately, have never been enforced in the mass market, the drives are not very cheap. The RAM capacity, but offer virtually all the current DVD Burners.
Antwort von swankmueller:
@ Host
Thank you for calling attention to the literature, which seems to be reading one of your standard and probably corresponds to what your reading is close to ... but you're certainly not bad, though I think that it's not everyone's thing.
really does nothing ... but what really lies behind the book, did you already do not understand. QED ...
@ All: magnetic disks currently offer the best price-performance ratio. However, after copying necessarily synonymous verify is turned off so happy, and the plates do not change the framework in use.
External plate, and after the backup off. There are lots of synonymous network backup concepts with different models of this (full / incremental / differential).
The safest course, go with RAID systems, but you should only use s.nicht where you absolutely 100% identical plates must have (after buying in 10 years?) And b) the failure of a plate is not equal to the entire RAID makes them unusable.
Paranoiac secure removable plates, which at the Bank regularly in safe landing ... or at least s.einem elsewhere (wg. fire, theft, ...).
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Antwort von WideScreen:
Hi PRODUCER
I can well understand your problem. I'm doing in 2 weeks, a documentary in Africa. Amidst the "nix". The choice of camera was not difficult, because it had what with his tape. I did not feel like a laptop at 35 degrees through the steppe to drag me on the number plates then copy my cards. This is utopian. P2 I would just come in to ask if I can take 30 Speicherkaten, and that's bad.
When news revolves, is the memory Gedo very beneficial. In its cinema premiere, we have beautifully with P2 are then rotated to Öffi Threats and ... had to wait until we take back the card was because the entire first copy had to be. Otherwise we had had a tape, and they made out. Done. For each area there are a technique, but for long-term projects Docus and I will not renounce on the tape. Because a well-kept MAZ makes no band salad. And, fortunately, has recently launched a channel is still several HDCAM cameras and Mazen purchased. But as I said, if must go fast, secure memory cards have advantages. (And no, I'm not 60 years, but 30:))
And ... I admit that I have nothing against BetaSP times. At that time one could still concentrate on wesendliche: On the CONTENTS.
Antwort von Wiro:
At that time one could still concentrate on wesendliche: On the CONTENTS.
How do you know what happened to me the last time constantly through your head ...?
;-)))
Greeting Wiro
Antwort von KrischanDO:
Analogue photography is not better but at wide neutrallere photos.
Digital content consists only of 0 and 1EN and thus we compute with this effort never analog media can be replaced!
Comparison times Analog Still a good image with a digital!
Just the colors speak volumes.
Zizi,
Whatever you with this concern orthographic sentences mean --
it is simply Kappes.
(I slowly understand, why the teachers despair s.den Univ.)
Or the nice words: It depends on what one compares what.
If you have an actual DSLR (a Nikon D700 for example) with an analog SRL (because it is cold, due to the body, but you take the same lens as s.der D700) with the same ISO range on the same medium (ie a decent closing date / photo to enlarge) comparing may, at ISO 100 film still halfway keep up.
At ISO 200 or 400 kick you in the film joyfully the ton!
And you wonder how you earlier this granular manure could endure!
And contrast and color performance were not synonymous better.
I have 6 years ago my big camera (4 x 5 inches) sold. Besides the beautiful mechanics of a Sinar p2 I cry because nothing behind.
(Okay, a big advantage was that the customers do not even know where to reinschaut., -)
The "analog is better" tirades remind me s.die screenings of hobbyists, from any photo journal Picture, which was done with Leica, rausholten, others from a Nikon shot both side by side and were kept that Leica "already somehow sharper "is. No really sound Comparison.
And the recording on memory cards?
Yes and? I have 70 GB SxS in the bag when finished is rotated, which comes to the internal panel of the average PC, overnight on an external copy of the morning and in the safe. And if it grabs me totally wild, I do have a copy and take with the home. Three n.Luftlinie should be enough. What we have on the internal is no longer needed, comes in two external.
And when the full, two more to come.
So what? tapes (or for photographers: Negative) are only s.einem place. No redundancy.
For broadcasters, I do nothing, but I can imagine that pretty soon say: Push the times on our fileserver ...
Regards
Christian
Antwort von deti:
For broadcasters, I do nothing, but I can imagine that pretty soon say: Push the times on our fileserver ...
Yep, we are currently working on it - is so ne kind contributions for YouTube ;-)
Deti
Antwort von RickyMartini:
I am now after 10 years on the MiniDV Flashkartenzug wagon with the HF100.
Now I am on about how I use my valuable raw material in future would like to secure, as the practical archiving on tape is eliminated.
When backing up my digital camera pictures, I think it is so that I am taking this to another disk, copy as soon as new images are added. Additionally these images in turn to a panel to the risk as low as possible. Another backup on DVD for a shorter period of time makes more sense then synonymous.
When video footage is backing up due to the large amount of data is somewhat different.
Therefore, I propose to me two 1TB disks to buy, where I store the videos - virtually mirrored manual. Likewise, I will burn DVDs, so I for the case of the trap halfway'm ready.
I calculate for one hour Vidematerial around 8GB, so I can record on a 1TB (931GB formatted) a good 116 hours to accommodate.
If any of the disks that behave abnormally, it is again on the other a backup for just under 100 ¬ at this stage to create.
Who professional tapeless working more than two should fuse to create - what is today so no more issue price should be.
The fact that a data loss ruin a company after being taken, is here in this thread, unfortunately, be found -> data = existence.
The problem of transfer of video data s.den customers
Without cheap copy tape is the passing on something else. USB flash drives with 16GB (sufficient for 2 hours in AVCHD 17MBit / s) are "already" for about 20 ¬ to get. Comparison to MiniDV is obviously far more expensive - at least yet.
Flash cards are not favorable as synonymous (SDHC). The customer extra mitzugeben an external HDD, would probably, given the low P / L ratio of small plates then but not really the truth.
A DVD is very cheap, it fits because not a lot of HD material on it. Blu-Ray is significantly more expensive (as can be equal to a USB disk access). Without Blu-Ray drive is with the data unfortunately do not start.
It is probably the major use of flash media (USB stick, card), which can be read anywhere (cards with corresponding card) the only thing - for now.
Antwort von KrischanDO:
Hi,
maybe some day something like "image tank" for SxS cards on the market, so a fat plate in an enclosure with Express Card slot, SxS card purely "Copy! with Verify" and s.damit.
Or is there already?
Regards
Christian
Antwort von domain:
The customer extra mitzugeben an external HDD, would probably, given the low P / L ratio of small plates then but not really the truth.
Why not? You just ask halt their purchase price of the HDD as an external use.
If it is not back, then you have a business, because the replacement costs are always lower.
Apart from that he could indeed synonymous its own plate, or bring his own stick and while dubbing a coffee.
Apart from this, but probably effective Flashmemory the future (possibly synonymous with re-use)
