Frage von misterman:
Hello
'm About to abandon it, because I can not decide easily. I once listed what I care about and would be terribly happy if I got tips. 700 Euros, I would have been willing to spend.
very important: Mini DV (wants to make action shots)
AV input (for Helmcam)
Manual exposure
Tone Control manual (if it views properly crashes)
Micro input
Headphones output
Firewire In / Out (wil indeed synonymous times digitize)
S-Video (output perhaps one wants a short time s.einem what TV show)
ordinary lens (aperture + good quality)
important: 16:9 (nothing fake, at least half true)
Image Stabilization wenigsens analog or a digital one can turn off the
25 frames (progressive shooting)
Zebra
manual focus ring
Auto focus with Spot-focus zone (I want to be able to decide what is sharp)
would not be bad: LANC
3CCD (yes is synonymous good 1-chip) to give
possible large chip, so there's at least something Unschärfpotential
I am interested in little: Mini Keychain format in the camcorder
USB
Photo function
Effects
Digital zoom and Mega Monster
accessories, of which my better half does not know that we will buy it even synonymous: Lipstick Cam
Steadycam (must be able to film in the running)
I will cut: Sony Notebook and Magix Movie Maker or Adobe Premiere
and / or PC card with something like Pinnacle ner and external plug thing and Adobe Premiere.
Panasonic I've seen a couple of cams, which do not even look bad. Only have a 1 / 6 sensor.
Thank you
Antwort von steveb:
can not decide how to answer ....
if you feel a couple of days here have angelesen in the forum, I bet you'll be able to decide yourself ...
Antwort von misterman:
Bet lost - have been a few days in this and other forums () as a guest. Do not think that many a few days. Unfortunately I can not search for weeks. Should start soon.
And, uh, if we had assumed they are a people who ask too easily and give no trouble to look for - it would have set a shining example, if one has the answer with the same vigor it demands from the questioner.
Thank you
Antwort von Vitrend:
I'm sorry to disappoint you, but if you want ausgeen maximum of 700 Euros, then you'll have to make sharp cuts in your requirements.
For example, microphone input, although not soo rare, but manual Tonausteuerung then only on the Menurädchen, just like the manual brightness adjustment.
Whether 3CCDs for 700 is already inside, I venture to doubt.
LANC is more or less reserved for the semi-professionals and professionals. The same goes for Zebra, 16:9 and frames.
Greeting
Jan
Antwort von Jan:
- Unfortunately you have any special function of all companies listed in the class, probably comes s.nähesten Canon MVX 45i (very important / important) - Up to zebra, Progressive, the AF Point Selection - for the photo mode - not for video, whether it "Mini" is also a moot point - is all s.Bord.
You must in any case once again "Seven," which functions are less important or lie down for more coal, although it is not a CAM, a MiniCam.
Thus, from the head of the Consumer Mini DV models 2005 / 2006 to 1000 ¬:
- Manual level control only Canon MVX 40 / 45i / 4i - no Sony, Panasonic GS 500 - GS 250 / 400 white, I do not think so
- Zebra SonyHC 90 / 94 / 96 - only slightly more expensive Panasonic GS 400
- Progressive Video SonyHC 90 / 94 / 96 - no, Canon, Pana GS 500, 250 / 400 GS, I now know from the head is not exactly
- Headphone output Canon MVX 40 / 45i / 4i, Panasonic GS 180 / 75 / 140 / 150 / 250 / 400
- Manual exposure is relatively - simple election blinds all have accurate shutter speed / aperture / gain only all Panasonic's precise shutter, Canon, JVC and Panasonic's of the 4 big companies.
- 3 chips have the Pana's GS 75/140/150/250/400/180/280/300/500 and SonyPC 1000
- Optical stabilizer. GS 280 / 300 / 500 / 250 / 400 and Canon MVX 40 / 45i
- Manual Scharfstellring Pana GS 250 / 500 / 400 and Canon MVX 40 / 45i
- Lanc - all in 2005 it's Sony, in 2006, only HC 94 / 96 - before the time had almost all Sony's / Canon 's the times are, unfortunately, by
- Micro input, DV / AV IN / Out, S-Video, reels 16 / 9 - because you have to narrow the list that have too many features.
I hope I have not forgotten ...
When all features are desired, the camera will probably never give it!
LG
Jan
Antwort von beiti:
The Canon MVX4i likely ausstattungsmäßig come s.nächsten your ideas, but is beyond your budget. The question is, where you can make cuts.
Tone Control manual (if it views properly crashes Nice feature, but in practice do not get for 700 ¬. Sooo, it is important not synonymous.
Headphones output More interestingly, is absent s.immer camcorders, so be careful.
S-Video (output perhaps one wants a short time s.einem what TV show) To quickly show something that is really no preference whether composite or SVHS.
Image Stabilization wenigsens analog or a digital one can turn off the All image stabilizers can be switched off.
25 frames (progressive shooting) Why, if you want to shoot some action?
Zebra do not get for 700 ¬ at
possible large chip, so there's at least something Unschärfpotential Eighth rather high intensity lens than on the size of the chip. Even a neutral density filter in the budget plan.
Antwort von Acer:
The Canon MVX4i likely ausstattungsmäßig come s.nächsten your ideas, but is beyond your budget. To my knowledge, does the cam under 700 ¬ in Internet commerce (now out of my head I think 680 ¬ + / - 20 ¬)
A very large chip, it has always (1 / 2, 8 "with 4 MP), of the Panasonic I would NV-GS400/500 s.deine requirements stellen.Von Canon MVX45i and as I said MVX4i, Sonyvielleicht of the HC96.
Antwort von misterman:
Ugh those are more detailed answers than I had hoped for. Get this info with my search is now driving a bit next.
Those were my thoughts before the question here in the forum: I have previously looked at the CANON MVX35i, because it is getting very favorable terms - s.500 ¬.
By Cam, I am then synonymous with the MVX4i landed, which I have seen synonymous for 675 ¬.
The SonyHC96E there s.654 ¬.
She has allegedly even synonymous all inputs.
Especially with the input / outputs, I do hold myself hard. The information from the manufacturers websites are not always clear.
I realize that I probably need to do one or two swabs.
Not quite sure I can
do without the
analog input for a Helmcam otherwise I would have actually been thinking whether I should not include the HC3 in my thoughts.
Antwort von Jan:
The thin MVX 35 i is more of a slimmed MVX 4i of the Optics with 2.2 million pixels without manual Tonausteuerung. The MVX 45i advantages opt. Stability, Scharfstellring, Accessory shoe but not synonymous, the MVX 4i, perhaps, the MVX 45i to "thick".
But almost all of your points are fulfilled, yes you will be offered little in the IT, I know why not synonymous, then the cheapest price would be between ¬ 700-800.
Antwort von Baschdi:
Hello,
I want to make latch times. As you can see, I'm new here and synonymous in the search for a new cam. I have taken some time after capture in the network, CANON MVX4i eye.
Is it the action very negative things to report. I would be synonymous importance of external anzuschliesen Camera (DV in benötogt yet? Has se ja).
Bin ne far older Sony (DCR-PC350E??) From the father (in spe) used and the returns (for my taste), good videos.
We used time high ne 8 of Sony:)
Ever grateful .....
Baschdi
Antwort von Jan:
Not for nothing, the MVX 4i VAD is at number 1 at the SD consumer cameras (probably not for much longer if the test comes with the GS 500!)
Surprisingly, it has struck a large part of other camera's, although it is quite narrow. The narrow and disadvantages, it has not, surprisingly, (poor little faint lenses, high drive noise - Micro must be yes, next to the cassette compartment.)
Well it is probably Super Test s.Consumeruntypisch new large 1 / 2.8 "CCD, manual and the manual level control functions, DV / AV in / out, RGB filter, and the IXUS 40 similar photo quality. I was already surprised at how so hinbekommen a Minor, a similar Panasonic 3CCD image quality is.
Canon synonymous Page I had to learn (which is available nowhere else) that the top consumer models and MVX 45i MVX 4i have a built-in ND (Neutral) filter as in the professional area, unfortunately he is not controllable - the camera takes the control and waves it in front as soon as too much light is available - when too much light and open Aperture is even the best lens in the imaging performance is weak, the strongest performance is only Lenses s.Aperture 5,6 or 8th
LG
January
Antwort von Baschdi:
Hello,
Today was in Saarbrücken (closest major city with Karstadt, Saturn ,...) and wanted me to look at the times MVX4i. At 3 she was not there and dealers, I had to learn that nen Saturn has really shitty service (the seller has not slept well ...)
Well, I drove my friend to tip off yet nen Media Markt even though I had already resigned ...
The last in the series Cam wars then ... I'm so looking forward to, but when I've seen the price tag, I've made nen leap into the air and the seller only meant one big request!
As exhibit / sale was unique 599 ¬
The clerk then told that was set up yesterday ....
I'm synonymous s.Gehäuse a single scratch or elsewhere found.
I think that time is a beautiful bargain. Available at a cost Mindfactory ¬ 720 ....
I am now thoroughly tested * freu *
PS Have you still nen tip for an external cam??
Antwort von misterman:
would not really smart on Sony's home page
Add to with the "Progressive Recording Mode" as I want to understand the subject?
When the connections "audio input and audio output", one might still conclude that at least a bit of tinkering with an external headphone Micro and one ran about. Or am I understand what is wrong?
Otherwise, as it is actually in Comparison with the image quality Canon MX4i? The SonyHC96 and a Panasonic?
Are you now, it seems to me more like SonyHC96 or Canon MVX4i. The MVX45i I would have liked s.besten but then brings me to my government.
Antwort von Acer:
Comparison SonyDCR-HC96 and the Canon Canon MVX4i would probably provide a better picture (+ MVX4i Canon: RGB filter, 1 / 2, 8 "CCD) The Sonyhat a 1 / 3" CCD and Sony out of my head any installed equipment. (CMOS?)
One of Panasonic NV-GS75, 120, 140, 150, I think 180 would be net as good as the Canon (See SIS), but this upward s.NV-GS70, 200, 250, 280, 300, 400, 500 significantly increased . Sonyist in a very limited manual options, where Canon and Panasonic are far ahead. I myself tend (still) very much for Panasonic NV-GS280 -500. The Hochkantform "Canon MVX4i" I am a little suspicious, and too packed / compressed. In addition, the handling is my net.
Antwort von Acer:
Are you now, it seems to me more like SonyHC96 or Canon MVX4i. The MVX45i I would have liked s.besten but then brings me to my government. Why? The MVX45i is the series of the Panasonic camcorder s.meisten competing model.
Antwort von Jan:
would not really smart on Sony's home page
Add to with the "Progressive Recording Mode" as I want to understand the subject?
When the connections "audio input and audio output", one might still conclude that at least a bit of tinkering with an external headphone Micro and one ran about. Or am I understand what is wrong? Sonyhat when he Hc 9x series a progressive feature - the camera makes up the 50 fields 25 frames, which will give the much-loved cinema-like, one or the other here in the forum said very well, although with pure 25 P cameras, not so much s.Hut has (JVC GR PD 1 or Panasonic AG DVX 100). The competitor in the consumer class Canon / Panasonic does not offer this feature, Pana 500 I'm currently not there - but I think it has the function not the old GS 400, but should have had a Progessivmodus.
Mark had last time that explains an AV input is not synonymous with a microphone input. In many situations, the micro would be too low, with one zwischengeschalteden Microphone amplifier, one could fix this maybe.
Headphones would be logical easier - Chinchadapter 2 RCA red / white to 3.5 mm jack, I never tried, but there's certainly synonymous give a hook like the Micro.
LG
January
Antwort von misterman:
Are you now, it seems to me more like SonyHC96 or Canon MVX4i. The MVX45i I would have liked s.besten but then brings me to my government.
Why? The MVX45i is the series of the Panasonic camcorder s.meisten competing model. My government halt. The PRICE halt. Actually, we wanted something for 500-600 euros.
@ Jan:
That with the Progressiv/50Halbbilder the Sonyhört somehow s.als that would be solved by software and then you could do equally well by synonymous editing program if it offers this feature.
Antwort von Jan:
There were a couple of weeks multiplied by a user who said its progressive function s.der HC 90 has convinced him - I've never tried them. I had looked again, the GS has 500 no progressive function - so only the older GS 400 and no current consumer Panasonic.Progressiv currently only Sonyim consumer market - except Sanyo HD 1vielleicht.
My boss (a small fox Technology) said the AV s.Headphones similar problems
may give about how the Micro Av IN. That you need to test well ....
LG
January
Antwort von Markus:
Mark had last time that explains an AV input is not synonymous with a microphone input. ->
Click? - Click! ;-)
My boss (a small fox Technology) said the AV s.Headphones similar problems could be like on the Micro Av IN. The level of AV-output and Headphones quite fit together well, but you can not adjust the volume level of the headphones. At best, a volume control in the headphone cable (quieter, but not louder).
Antwort von misterman:
Today I looked at me a few times Cams.
The MVX4i was only really impressed me:
time is not so bad in the hand
many inputs - cool
pretty good picture - especially bright synonymous
I had mentally already bought when I made a test basis Schwenk.
Ohmeingott! The jerky yes like hell. Absolutely useless. Then I tried to issue the image stabilizer. Ich habs not found.
The built-in microphones are probably synonymous hard to use. Especially not if you want to use the viewfinder. Besides, you're on respiratory sounds.
Too bad now I need to look for something else. Since I is strongly
built in AV
in the camera, nothing will have the
docking station probably not so easy.
Micro-In and Headphone synonymous obligation. The lack of control over sound, surely you get with an external device's under control.
The Pana 500 would not even bad - unfortunately missing the inputs.
Antwort von Acer:
The NV-GS250 has these inputs (synonymous Headphones !!!). Unfortunately, it is somewhat) over your budget ( ¬ 700, would not fulfill your needs (f1.6, watch AV / DV - I / O, Leica lens, manual focus ring) have it's see if any more. The NV-GS250 is the equipment of her better than the NV-GS500, and cheaper at that.
Ciao,
Philipp
Antwort von misterman:
The NV-GS250 has these inputs (synonymous Headphones !!!). Unfortunately, it is somewhat) over your budget ( ¬ 700, would not fulfill your needs (f1.6, watch AV / DV - I / O, Leica lens, manual focus ring) have it's see if any more. The NV-GS250 is the equipment of her better than the NV-GS500, and cheaper at that.
Ciao,
Philip Yes, I suppose, almost, that I will probably end up synonymous with this action. Ne-S NV-GS400EG but I would almost prefer. I know, so one thing I'll probably find no more synonymous.
Safe side, I would prefer synonymous again, the Canon MVX45i into consideration. In Pana stop bothering me a little of the small sensor. Compare I have a NV-GS300EG-S compared with a NV-GS500EG-S, and may find that you notice the difference in LowLight very good looks.
Unfortunately, I had until now never had a MVX45i in his hands. Then it would be easier for me probably synonymous. Above all, synonymous if I knew whether the picture quality which is good.
Because I just saw the MVX3i. She has even
ZEBRA. And synonymous to 4 channel sound. Could it be that I just found my camera. MVX45i or MVX3i. Besides, someone would have a reasoned objection.
Antwort von Jan:
I can remember s.MVX 3i owners, here admitted that her camera is not synonymous slumber light lamp ...
Yes my first tip MVX 45i still needs to be tested of your hand, like Acer's 250th GS Good as bad as I find the Canon stability of the 4 i did not, perhaps, a matter of opinion - a small fine sports coupe, the MVX 4i - synonymous with the disadvantages of such a car's.
To my knowledge (I can deceive myself synonymous) have nearly all Canon consumer
Mini DV 16 bit-48 Khz-2 channels, 12 bit-32 Khz-4 channels, even XM 2 / L 2 are so XL H 1 has pure 4-channel mode for HDV - MPEG 2 Layer II, SD synonymous with the PCM Digital stereo sound. Canon's models will however have Dolby Digital 2 channels.
Yes in 16 bit mode, so probably every 4 channels, well I'm not Tonfreak ....
LG
Jan
Antwort von Markus:
The NV-GS250 has these inputs (synonymous Headphones !!!). Headphones
Input? - That's interesting ... ;-)
Antwort von Acer:
Well, the input in order to plug the latch stop. Not so petty, human Markus.
Would be cool, so a sensor that what the human ear hears all transferred to tape, so to speak, "natural micro"
Antwort von Markus:
A bit of fun has to be ... * sing * ;-)
Antwort von Acer:
Yeah, dream next, Möchtergern-German singing * sing *;.) * Big grin *
Antwort von Daniel_23:
Only once such a question:
Have my cameras now encircled.
Is the difference from the video image of Canon's MVX3i / MVX45i and a 250, Pana blosen eye s.Monitor visible? (Scale 100%, therefore not any enlarged detail.)
Canon, I have to get the tip MVX3i the MVX45i is preferable - the elderly have a better lens. Is there about this statement?
PS: the MVX3i I'd get about 200 euros cheaper than the Pana 250 or MVX45i. The Last and crucial question is only whether the difference in the 3CCD is clearly visible. And if so, what?
Antwort von misterman:
I should be up there - I've forgotten einzulogen.
Antwort von Jan:
Maybe because what you find in the search, there were a few weeks ago MVX 3i happy owners - the little sleep light is weak but who noticed synonymous.
At the monitor between MVX 3i / MVX 45i will probably not see much, the two are too similar of the basic data. GS 250 may have at least s.TV, the bright brilliant color / sharpness of the 3 CCD are among the consumers of First Class.
LG
January
Antwort von Modehilli:
Maybe because what you find in the search, there were a few weeks ago MVX 3i happy owners - the little sleep light is weak but who noticed synonymous.
At the monitor between MVX 3i / MVX 45i will probably not see much, the two are too similar of the basic data. GS 250 may have at least s.TV, the bright brilliant color / sharpness of the 3 CCD are among the consumers of First Class.
LG
January Thank you once already, but more important was the question of how competitive the canons in Comparison to Pana. Still, it hies in some tests, so synonymous have that 1 Chiper sometimes provide a better picture than some 3 chip.
Antwort von misterman:
Dung, which'm up there again, of course I do.
Low-Light is not quite so important. The more important s.der sensor size is for me then but the depth of focus.
Antwort von Boris99:
Are there actually any successor models of MVX3i / MVX4i or NV-GS250, which were not circumcised in the Equipment and still play in the same price range?
I am thinking specifically of DV / AV in.
Greeting
Boris
