Infoseite // In the plane with DV camcorder filmed ...

Frage von DoBBy:


Hi Forum,

My little annoying problem: When we flew into the holidays, I with my Panasonic GS230 camcorder launch or landing mitgefilmt. Since our machine has an external board camera has had the launch and landing process on the plane monitor. (On the other movies will be shown and flight) So I got my camcorder to the monitor addressed, simply because they directly saw the runway and had a few seconds mitgefilmt. Even during the recording, I noticed that the picture of the monitor very quickly geflackert has (by the camera through it). Now I just sit s.meinem editing program and am interested in whether there might be one last opportunity to save this annoying flickering away, or at least reduced. I have this body times frame by frame while playing and I noticed that there is always a horizontal black bar is the top to the bottom of wandering and the corresponding picture is darker.

I know we would have normalerweiße "Flicker-Free" or something in the way must be used to monitor the filming, but who is already in the aircraft available? xD That's why my question.

I hope you can help me.



Antwort von PowerMac:

Yes, your camera has an exposure time of 50 Hz, the seat TFT 60 Hz but I do not know a filter, which is really solved.



Antwort von DoBBy:

"PowerMac" wrote: I know of no filter, which is really solved.

Can not be in the editing program, at least reduce it? Quite to get away is not possible, but maybe something?



Antwort von AndreasBloechl:

Strangely, I have the same problem with my Sony TRV33 of non-detected. Synonymous but the monitor times and nothing is shot with flicker. How can that be?



Antwort von Realit:

"AndreasBloechl" wrote: Strangely, I have the same problem with my Sony TRV33 of non-detected. Synonymous but the monitor times and nothing is shot with flicker. How can that be?
This will certainly depend on the aircraft manufacturer. Quite blanket presumption: Boeing with 60 Hz, 50 Hz with Airbus

Have no small cameras variable shutter? (I am not with small cameras from)

Matthias



Antwort von DoBBy:

White perhaps someone advice? Wants do not push, but I should be the film Holiday in the near term and have completed bouncer these sequences, I would not, unless absolutely necessary ;-)

Thank you



Antwort von Pianist:

Wow, I was not logged. Posted above is of me.



Antwort von rootfire:

Most unfortunately not ;-(



Antwort von Pianist:

"Dobby" wrote: White perhaps someone advice? Wants do not push, but I should be the film Holiday in the near term and have completed bouncer these sequences, I would not, unless absolutely necessary
No, unfortunately I can not subsequently corrected.

Matthias






Antwort von DoBBy:

"Matthias" wrote: Quite blanket presumption: Boeing with 60 Hz, 50 Hz with Airbus

So we are with an Airbus A300 flown. Then probably 50Hz. How Council said if anyone knows? Please register ...

"Matthias" wrote: Have no small cameras variable shutter? (I am not with small cameras from)

No clue, but my model is definitely not something, otherwise I would have in the instructions and had seen earlier can prevent this problem :-(

Big Beautiful



Antwort von DoBBy:

Oh sorry, you were too quick to write the ... Mattias @: your contributions have only now read, after I had already posted. Well, if you're saying that it does not work, then I have to live with, or? ;-)



Antwort von WeiZen:

Frame and how to export in a picture frame eizelne each program edit.



Antwort von Pianist:

"Wheat" wrote: Frame and how to export in a picture frame eizelne each program edit.
Clear. And if he then days later the result is, he bites into the table edge and regrets the time spent.

Matthias



Antwort von Jan:

Hello,

very unusual ....

If 50 Hz would have it you can fold. GS 230 (for our area) has always a longest shutter speed (no night program) in the video mode, 1 / 50 sec - funny

Scan function available in the price category not Canon XM 2 DM occurs to me as the current cheapest - the Monitorabfilmung for the frequency in Hz can be precisely adjusted.

VG
Jan



Antwort von PeterM:

This is in retrospect the PP no longer properly resolve all if a little bit better.
Regardless of whether Airbus or Boeing, the small tft's always in the seats with 60 hz.
So the next time the kamerea on 60 Verschluuszeit, or ien much of it.



Antwort von Jan:

1 / 60 is not as PAL model and no scan function, then the next shutter Pana at the 1 / 100 sec. Well hopefully enough light at 1 / 100 sec yet .....

VG
Jan



Antwort von Realit:

"Peterm" wrote: Regardless of whether Airbus or Boeing, the small tft's always in the seats with 60 hz.


Ähh, no. I forgot to say (but seemed to me synonymous not important), it was not a TFT monitor s.Sitz. That was as it looked like a tube and the monitor hung s.der ceiling. TFTs were s.den only exits in the wall built, but to warn of too far away from our place, as that I would abfilmen can ...

Greeting



Antwort von DoBBy:

Sorry, again was not registered. The last contribution was of me.






Antwort von Kinderbutt:

This would have been the best 25 images.



Antwort von AndreasBloechl:

It is probably so because tube monitor. TFT no longer have the normal half of the cause, or I am mistaken. For me it was in every instance 100% a TFT and the effect was absent.



Antwort von PeterM:

Advance various cameras may Pal 60s shutter. My HC1 can I film it and thus partly from CRT monitors.
The latest generation of CRT monitors for Airbus Multisyc are capable. Depending on the source material with 50hz or 60 hz mileage. The Airshow example provides the best of my knowledge of my runs with 60HZ.



Antwort von Pianist:

"AndreasBloechl" wrote: For me it was in every instance 100% a TFT and the effect was absent.
A TFT is due to his uncritical After glow anyway. You can synonymous but an office-based TFT with unknown frequency without shutter record. The strip is just where the line jumps. So for tube and beamer.

Matthias



Antwort von AndreasBloechl:

Yes, that's my guess synonymous Matthias.
That must be one anyway even when filming in the Viewfinder or Monitor to see or not?



Antwort von Pianist:

"AndreasBloechl" wrote: Yes, that's my guess synonymous Matthias.
That must be one anyway even when filming in the Viewfinder or Monitor to see or not?
Obviously you can see das

Matthias



Antwort von AndreasBloechl:

Alright thank you for that explanation.



Antwort von Jan:

Nonsense - no PAL Panasonic Consumer in recent years, a 1 / 60 second!

- Longest night without a program (video only) 1 / 50 sec, after which 1 / 100 sec, etc.

In photo mode, go to 1 / 25 sec off. Novelty SD 5 is synonymous in the video mode to 1 / 25 sec can be set.

The best camera currently available with a real scan - the exact number in 200 Hz steps has the Canon DM 2nd XM

For Canon & Sonymüsste I look, 1 / 60 sec with a PAL camera should give it but seldom.

VG
Jan



Antwort von Jan:

Yes Sonyhat synonymous to 1 / 60 sec, at least for 7 and HC 7th FX For Sony Can Not many eh yes Consumer adjust the shutter, only s.price about ¬ 800 upwards.

Canon HV 20 was synonymous not 1 / 60 sec to 1 / 50 sec and then do the 1 / 120 sec. I have otherwise no further because Canon.

JVC HD 7, synonymous only 1 / 50 sec and then 1 / 80, JVC GR D 725 synonymous only 1/50sek and then the 1 / 120 sec.

VG
Jan






Antwort von AndreasBloechl:

In the case of my Sony TRV33 Is there nothing at all to manual setting and has proud but then 1100Euro tasted. Good day, the consumer has become synonymous already cheaper, that was 4 years ago I think.



Antwort von Erich:

Hello!
The continuous strip can probably only be retouched.
The flicker can be mitigated not only, with a little luck are completely eliminated.
See here:
http://www.videofreunde.ch/thread.php?threadid=6396&sid=7013cd9bdf297931d46fabd3ec1421b2
Good luck!
Erich



Antwort von Jan:

Yes thank you Erich!

In principle, yes synonymous of 1 / 100 & 1 / 120 shutter, I had doubts whether the only light in the plane are still insufficient.

VG
Jan



Antwort von Basti16:

but: video in higher lying duplicate track, and a keyframe animated crop that's only the dark point shows, then this video brighten übergelagerte per filter. This is the dark center of a aufgehelten overlaid, and the flicker should be greatly reduced. was only ne idee, habs nnoch not tried it myself



Antwort von Markus:

With a shorter exposure time, the flicker rather than less, even if 1 / 120 s part of a smooth 1 / 60 s is. There should be a broader, more or less standing bar on the monitors emerging.

flicker can be reduced but with a prolongation of exposure time. To view the 60 Hz-tube devices with 1 / 25 s filmed with pleasant than 1 / 50 s exposure time. However, you will not make or strongly Reißschwenks moving motifs show. The fact Jerkiness then.

Optimal is not everything. 1 / 60 s exposure time would be the best place s.dieser been.



Antwort von Jan:

Since I was probably confused - was funny remember the exposure time must be verkürtzt ...

Not without reason has the Canon DM XM 2 the scan function, if so the shutter would be easy to simply change and the same result to obtain, one would use the function.

VG
Jan



Antwort von Markus:

The scan function is designed to enable the camcorder to 'crooked' exposure times can set, such as when a tube monitor - why always synonymous - a Picture with 63 Hz displays.

Such a feature is already horny when they are needed.