Frage von Stöpsel:
Here in the forum is often discussed whether the data of a DV camera to your PC, a USB cable or Firewire cable should take.
I have a friend of me asked the engineer is on a computer and specialized. He said it was complete nonsense, that the connection via firewire is better. I would now very well of you know what is supposedly so great s.einem Firewire cable should be ??????
Or want me here irgentwer processed *** s?
Antwort von Stöpsel:
At least on the wiki page (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usb)
Shows that USB 2.0 is even faster than Firewire.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
Nothing against your friend, BUT: Here he is mistaken. Although there are now a few camcorder - Jan could certainly enumerate them now - with sufficient speed USB interface to the video data in the best quality on the PC to be able to. The vast majority of the camcorder via USB delivers reduced picture quality but only because of the significantly lower resolution (about the Webcam-level). Firewire is definitely the first choice. You can change the way, synonymous in the IR-FAQ of Slashcam read.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von Gast1:
I have a friend of me asked the engineer is on a computer and specialized. He said it was complete nonsense, that the connection via firewire is better. Yes, teachers and engineers ... :-)
As you've noticed already is that here in the forum a thousand times already described. Use the search function. And you can then make the engineer finished :-)
Antwort von Chezus:
Well, he should try with a USB cable to transfer a movie.
If he has more sense than Sony, Canon and Co. He should be a panacea but imagine times.
That the transmission of a miniDV tape via USB is better than with Firewire is (sorry for expression) Bullshit.
Kommt drauf s.wie however you define better. With firewire, there is generally more problems than with USB, USB is therefore of self better.
The topic of video, however, is another
Antwort von PowerMac:
(...) Or I will be here irgentwer processed *** s? Sure you want someone (without "t") muck. And not just anyone: the accumulated experience of millions filmers serves only as a joke with you to drive.
Antwort von Stöpsel:
But USB 2.0 is faster (480 Mbit)
I think cable is cable? or not?
Firewire is only the reaction of Apple against the windows of fake USB interface. I have in my external hard drive USB cable en synonymous because a guy in his Elekrofachgeschäft (not MC sau) has told me that fire wire is slower. I do not think it makes a big difference whether I use the camcorder cable 2cm next s.einer similar interface.
Did no one here convincing arguments ?????
I always hear "it's better you Kans but not explain '
Antwort von PowerMac:
(...) With firewire, there is generally more problems than with USB, USB is therefore of self better. (...) A fallacy. You can not connect to a community because you have only a few forum posts know and have limited personal experience. How the world really looks like and what makes more problems, None can say. In addition, the use Firewire in this forum statistically highly overrepresented, USB however rarely. Your mistake is so easily 100 times too large. It is really no "GENERAL" infer. In addition, are often not as Firewire technology problem than a software vendor from Redmont.
Antwort von PowerMac:
(...) Firewire is only the reaction of Apple against the windows of fake USB interface. (...) Ouch many mistakes.
1. Not only has Apple's own Firewire developed synonymous when it is Apple's development.
2. There was Firewire USB or both were presented at similar times. Intermediate use in practice and imagination were but years.
3. "Windows" has not invented USB. Even Microsoft has not invented USB.
4. Rather USB was slow to competitors of Firewire, USB because in the licensing was cheaper.
5. In the early days was the purpose of USB (mouse, scanner, joystick) as another of the Firewire (hard disks, video cameras). USB 1.0 was synonymous much slower than Firewire.
6. Apple was one of the first computer manufacturer, have used the USB. USB Firewire was used.
Antwort von Stöpsel:
So I think that nobody really knows why he has a Firewire cable. Or was I wrong with this assertion?
Who is "yes" said to be synonymous, please write to me why Firewire is better.
And why the engineer all the years studied in vain?
Antwort von bjoerni:
It may well be that USB2.0 has a higher data rate, but still does not mean that every application for the best solution. For the application "of transferring digital video data from / to the camcorder has Firewire is also enforced. Against the standard USB2.0, only USB1.1 with 12Mbps transfer rate, which for real-time transmission of video data was not enough. But Firewire already existed at that time with 400Mbps. In addition, the Firewire standard of early s.zur designed real-time transmission.
Both standards today have their authorization, depending on the application.
PS If you have anführst Wikipedia, kannste synonymous equal to Firewire Read article under the heading "Areas":
Antwort von bjoerni:
And why the engineer all the years studied in vain? * lach *
I'm synonymous engineer and had me until the issue incorporate digital video, because it s.der University Degree Nachrichtentechnik no special course "miniDV standard" existed.
Antwort von Eva Maier:
I have firewire because my playback device has no USB,
The speed plays no role because synonymous hard drive recorder, or much slower.
/ Eva Maier
Antwort von Stöpsel:
Na da seht ihr's. Nobody can think of convincing arguments ...
I know that USB 1.1 has less Mbits .. but that is not. It is about to USB 2.0 and Firewire. Your claims of just what "not designed "..... But I want a argumente Convince ..
And whether Firewire sooner or later, not interested. We are talking about facts ... to make clear that Firewire is better than USB 2.0.
And I do not think it has more than ahnung have a diploma engineer in computer matters.
That may sound now Naughty, but it is so.
Antwort von Stöpsel:
"I am synonymous engineer and had me until the issue incorporate digital video, because it s.der University Degree Nachrichtentechnik no special course" miniDV standard "existed."
but the engineer of which I speak has been synonymous with the DV cameras employ and test performed.
Antwort von PowerMac:
(...) But the engineer of which I speak has been synonymous with the DV cameras employ and test performed. Clear. What kind of testing then?
Such?
http://www.usb-ware.com/firewire-vs-usb.htm
http://www.netzwelt.de/news/74983-die-verlierer-der-technikgeschichte.html
http://www.heise.de/ct/01/15/128/
http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=1104&page=3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ USB # USB_2.0_Hi-Speed_versus_FireWire
http://www.cwol.com/firewire/firewire-vs-usb.htm
http://www.digit-life.com/articles/usb20vsfirewire/
Antwort von Stöpsel:
So I do not think that I still get a decent answer.
I buy me now so'n ding and compare the image quality. If I not notice any difference, I will replace the cable. Synonymous I hope very much that this time someone who has more idea than you, his comments are given, for your help because I can truly renounce:
-Keeps your distracts from the issue
-You know too little to decent answer must
-Your gabbles after all the others and feel like ne Gang holds together and in which nobody dares something else to say (with exceptions).
Really low!
Antwort von PowerMac:
Well, one must always consider how much you provoke next. That was too much and everyone knows that you are a troll are ...
Antwort von Gast1:
"I am synonymous engineer and had me until the issue incorporate digital video, because it s.der University Degree Nachrichtentechnik no special course" miniDV standard "existed."
but the engineer of which I speak has been synonymous with the DV cameras employ and test performed. Aha, now you outest.
Then look at the times of Architectural FireWire ( "P2P") and of the USB (the "master / slave / CPU-controlled) and the voltage of the two resistors and the direction of the cable. And the structure of DV data.
And make a few practical attempts s.besten with an external hard drive. If you succeed, USB with the same or higher transmission rates than with Firewire (400) to achieve: to register a patent.
With the transmission rates is synonymous here with my income, such as: Theoretically it should be 480, but practically it is only a fraction of them :-)
Antwort von hobbycut:
Hello,
apart of the stopper-Troll attempt here a Mac vs. covert. PC anzuzetteln thread (yawn), I would have a general question:
There are now more and more digicams with USB instead of Firewire? Or even devices with two interfaces?
When the required transmission rates for miniDV technically I see no advantage of any protocol ... just stop Firewire is the standard now.
How does the interface with the situation Videocams to record HD?
Antwort von Markus:
How does the interface with the situation Videocams to record HD? What is HD? There are numerous formats of those ... Consumer HDV via firewire goes, just like DV.
Antwort von beiti:
I am a practitioner. It is totally no preference which interface is faster (if they are not with DV ausreizt anyway), and it is to me synonymous no preference which interface - purely technical - and better suited.
I am interested in the practice, with currently available devices, DV from your camcorder into the computer and from your computer back to the camcorder to get. And all for God without loss and without any problems.
Since I note that so far only very few camcorders that are a lossless transmission via USB 2.0 allow the most USB interfaces previously sold-DV camcorder can transfer still images only. And in the few camcorders that can so far, there are several problems (dropouts, picture, etc.). Moreover, I know not a single camera, where one via USB 2.0 the material is synonymous again gets back to tape - and without which it is not for me.
Whether the rather s.Camcorders, s.der interface or s.der software is, I do not know. Is synonymous wurscht me. I'm not Inschenjöhr of something designed, but a customer who uses it. And what I use, should work.
In the present state of development does it all with Firewire: loss of tape into the PC and back to tape. So should it be.
If your camcorder, there are times where the connection is synonymous with USB works well, I can of one day to the next change. I'm not hurt. I do not hang s.Firewire. But even this alternative is not.
Antwort von BigHitman:
bravo, as I see the synonymous!
Antwort von Rudi81:
This is not about speed but to improve the image quality. And I can with my NVGS 500 non determined.
And whether an interface 480Mbits and the other has 400mbits point in the image quality is eh wurst. Because the two cables is the same.
Antwort von soahC:
So if I really so damn important to know exactly wanted, then I would simply 2 times the same scene capture. 1x with 1x with firewire and usb 2.0! probably easier to go really!
Antwort von PowerMac:
USB 2.0 is with some camcorders and some programs.
It must, however, only a USB 2.0 camcorder with a USB 2.0-supporting and take good editing software. The probability is quite low ...
Antwort von Andreas.:
And what about with a Panasonic NVGS-180 and the editing program from Magix Video Deluxe ????? For me no problem.
I do not synonymous where did it all (USB unkindness)?
Antwort von Chezus:
Helps you to:
"... The USB was originally designed for simple peripherals like mice and keyboards have been developed and not for data transmission. For this reason, the interface carries some disadvantages with him. Because FireWire is in contrast to network-USB. A standard FireWire cable can have two Calculator connect to a network. Even over Ethernet, the standard network interface, Apple has a few advantages outsider: a smarter time-management conflicts and data collisions are avoided. This stability in the data make it ideal for delicate tasks, such as the transfer of
multimedia with high data rate. The devices have their own controller, which is a control by a "host" like USB unnecessary. On a single FireWire bus can have up to 63 devices in a range depend. Because FW can be serial, ie a real device chain, to be wired.
Due to the lack of own control increases with USB "High Speed" synonymous the load on the processor by large data transfers. In our test, the CPU with USB approximately five times as heavily burdened. That is why FireWire is ideal for demanding tasks much better. External hard disks, for example, should if possible be operated with FireWire ...."
in short, has firewire camcorder enforced in the area due to the stability, not speed. Or have I misunderstood what da?
Antwort von PowerMac:
Sources of evidence! Furthermore, in practice, Firewire faster than USB.
Antwort von Chezus:
Crap, I forgot, I'm sorry
http://www.netzwelt.de/news/74983_1-die-verlierer-der-technikgeschichte.html
Antwort von Jan:
Mini DV nunmal 1995 is released, the standard is already
DV / Firewire / I-Link, IEEE 1394 (DV! as how the system) interface.
Sonyrüstete all the way, 2006er MiniDV camcorder with the S 100 interface (100 Mbit / sec) we see that it is not about pure speed, the tape must be run so, therefore, only a part is needed.
There are several USB 2.0 standards
Low Speed (no idea - now rarely used)
Full Speed up to 12 Mbits / sec
High Speed up to 480 Mbits / sec
The high-speed USB connection with the 2006 models only a few select models that would be as:
Canon MVX 45i / 4i, Panasonic GS 37, 180,280,300 and the 500s.
While at Sony in 2005 HC 90, all s.GR JVC D 290, the latest of the company are not synonymous but more capable and do not want more, even in the manual of a Sony HC 94 / 96 will be specifically stated in the transfer in full quality (720x576), only the Firewire port to be used, which is synonymous USB 2.0 Full Speed points.
Firewire And now times have almost all models, JVC DVX 400 is known to me without FW, but there are only a few exceptions, the Canon MVX 45i was confirmed (Video Aktiv Digital) during their usb rewound the film could be - but is probably synonymous one of the few exceptions.
Most OHCI Firewire cards are compatible, which means you must include an SonyHC 23 - it is recognized as SonyHC 23 AV equipment, etc., or a Panasonic GS 180 as a Panasonic GS 180 - no special drivers such as USB.
Why must continuously because a well-functioning standard be changed just because of the heavy-industry - especially the MS thinking - they can with bribery and money buying everything.
From the beginning s.bis the extinction of the IR system is simply the Firewire standard.
VG
Jan
Antwort von Hogar:
It is in this case not a question of technique, but the license or license fees. Firewire comes from the Mac, and Microsoft probably want and the camera manufacturers do not push and USB. Thus, no license fee s.Apple paid.
Somehow son dat thing was, down to but I do not ...
Hogar
Antwort von kiteschlampe:
404ERR
Antwort von StefanS:
Firewire = 400 Mbit / sec
USB 2.0 =
up to 480 Mbit / sec
In practice this means that you can reach the 480 Mbit
never Additionally, thanks to the USB processor load significantly higher than in Firewire. It was here in the forum ever been deposited with figures.
USB has a larger overhead in the data.
Not everything is equal better, only because it is next spread.
Greeting
Stefan
Antwort von StefanS:
And here is the link for your Diplomingnieur with the dangerous semi-interesting would be:
http://forum.slashcam.de/externe-platte-usb-firewire-vt25556.html?highlight=usb + cpu
But I knew that I think back :-)
Greeting
Stefan
Antwort von Chezus:
I hope that the topic has done so
Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:
na, a hab 'I have:
s.Uralt notebook with 800 MHz Mobile Celeron, BJ 1998, hung Camera and external disk via Firewire (PCMCIA card) on it. Did this plate from Pinnacle Studio 8 out captured, ie, the data went completely over the PCMCIA card inside and out. With about 10 bands is not a single lost frame.
Besides, no other programs running, but I do on my much faster desktop calculator not synonymous.
BG
Andreas
Antwort von Stöpsel:
So, let's consider that:
The Panasonic NVGS 180-500 works with a USB port.
I need not therefore synonymous Firewire cables, these cameras are for USB-equipped. So I now understood. If I am wrong will someone please korigieren.
Thank you
Antwort von daniela_:
right in principle, I would say I have the 500th Bei mir hats with USB not really worked, I tried but I do not synonymous painful, because I use firewire anyway
Antwort von StefanS:
So, let's consider that:
The Panasonic NVGS 180-500 works with a USB port.
I need not therefore synonymous Firewire cables, these cameras are for USB-equipped. So I now understood. If I am wrong will someone please korigieren.
Thank you So slowly, I wonder whether the Earth was not maybe a little bit of a disc could be synonymous if I have already 3 Globes have seen. I have here is synonymous an atlas, since it looks exactly like a disk.
Two things are for you:
1.
Finally, please accept that objectively the Firewire version is technically better. This was, I think, now demonstrated repeatedly.
2.
If you like it works with USB, why the insurgency? Freu Dich but instead about and you are not burdened with other things. At the end are the zero and the one so on your calculator, as shown on the tape, whether it be with with USB or Firewire. That is the only thing that counts.
Greeting
Stefan
Antwort von Jan:
So, let's consider that:
The Panasonic NVGS 180-500 works with a USB port.
I need not therefore synonymous Firewire cables, these cameras are for USB-equipped. So I now understood. If I am wrong will someone please korigieren.
Thank you Sorry Stefan, I am still hanging look.
In principle yes, in conjunction with the supplied software. As other programs actually on FW are calibrated, and no special drivers can expect depending on the program work or not. The GS 37 makes it synonymous - Panasonic called USB 2.0 HS data streaming.
But it is not a carte blanche, synonymous with GS 180 and the original program it does not work, for example, it can cause problems if
1. not the current version it is DirektX
2. The USB 2.0 interfaces are subsequently retrofitted
3. XP SP 2 - so would prefer the USB Service Pack 2, FW waived rather drauf
etc
This is similar and in the SW instructions of the Panas Assessment.
And now, please read Stefan's post again ...
VG
Jan
Antwort von Bernd E.:
I need not therefore synonymous Firewire cables, these cameras are for USB-equipped. At least if you have the film processed for archiving in the best possible quality on the DV tape in the camera back will play, you're with USB aufgeschmissen - no preference what drivers you have installed like synonymous (with Firewire and Drivers klappt's the connection needs of House does not serve).
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von Stöpsel:
Tomorrow I go into a store and buy me son'n thing. But I ask the dealer again accurately whether what you know makes me synonymous true. If you rather have and it really gives a better picture quality, then I will never again s.euch forum and your doubts. But I try everything yourself naturally at home.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
But I ask the dealer again Hopefully you device synonymous s.einen dealer who knows what he's talking about.
whether what you know makes me synonymous agrees Here None what makes you know, we operate only Volksbildung ;-)
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von Jan:
But please not the Saublöden (my chain)!
I must confess that it is still a large part of the seller there - do not have foggiest.
Simply 3 Questions s.Ihn & You
1. How is the movie playing on the best quality, say the two best devices SonyDCR HC 23 Panasonic NV GS 24 (special Saturn model) / 27?
2. If the film by a DVDCamcorders easy to edit?
3. What is written on tape Resolutionbei a GS 180?
When To 1 On 2 and USB yes comes to 3rd 2.3 million - you have an absolute blank in front of you.
Without rauszustellen me now, I think in the consumer area, I am on a high Nivaeu, as many here. Although I work at Saturn - was long enough in the store. Seller's unfit even for me in the department.
VG
Jan
Antwort von PowerMac:
(...) But I ask the dealer again accurately whether what you know makes me synonymous true. (...) A dealer has more weight and therefore know 20 people in this thread?
Antwort von daniela_:
because this particular dealer is always the intelligence beasts are * g *
Antwort von Stöpsel:
Alos, I must admit that I am the 3rd Synonymous only question was answered (2.4 million pixels) because I have the camcorder itself. But the other 2, I will ask him (sellers) as "eistellungstest" represent.
Antwort von daniela_:
Believe it or let stay, damn it all, Firewire has been standardized for video transmission and works smoothly.
What better of them, goes to me (I hit it so hard now off) s.arsch past (yes, I think firewire, but that does nothing for the cause)
Basta.Punkt.
Antwort von jens:
So yes, I am sure that the plug Troll - but Jan, you've got me Yeah, good idea brought:
But please not the Saublöden (my chain)!
Simply 3 Questions s.Ihn & You
1. How is the movie playing on the best quality, say the two best devices SonyDCR HC 23 Panasonic NV GS 24 (special Saturn model) / 27?
2. If the film by a DVDCamcorders easy to edit?
3. What is written on tape Resolutionbei a GS 180?
I think this fun, I will this week allow time ;-)
Liebe Grüße s.alle and NEN good start in the Monday,
Jens
Antwort von Stöpsel:
Believe it or let stay, damn it all, Firewire has been standardized for video transmission and works smoothly.
What better of them, goes to me (I hit it so hard now off) s.arsch past (yes, I think firewire, but that does nothing for the cause)
Basta.Punkt. So I buy me now but can not be extrapolated a Firewire cable, because it "STANDART" is .... and my USB cable is working smoothly. I view this not more slowly through ,.......... one says that there is a qualitative improvement, the others speak of what state Aryanization ....
Can someone here a line drawn ???????
Antwort von jens:
_____________________________________________________________
Antwort von Stöpsel:
Thanks .....
But as I said earlier, that one says what is klartext.
Is now a noted improvement in picture or is it simply standart ding ?????
Antwort von DWUA:
Hello movie fans!
Before this question and answer game to the next round,
ie of the real satire to comedy degenerate, of us here
different offer: See under "Film Tips"!
Antwort von PowerMac:
Universally popular:
Antwort von PowerMac:
(...) "STANDARD" (...) My STANDART times you can look like. But maybe you try it before with the "Standard".
Antwort von Gast1:
... one says that there is a qualitative improvement, the others speak of what state Aryanization ....
Can someone here a line drawn ??????? Now he is still politically synonymous :-) As s.besten simply pull the plug out.
Antwort von Beatfabrikant:
Bin mal gespannt when umfliegt
Antwort von oliver II:
Alos, I must admit that I am the 3rd Synonymous only question was answered (2.4 million pixels) because I have the camcorder itself. But the other 2, I will ask him (sellers) as "eistellungstest" represent. If you have an "ei" test position directing a slap in the face, you'll reap.
In addition, you can not even answer a question correctly. T (r) oller "tester"!
Hopefully soon someone pulls the plug!
Antwort von digitalCat:
as a beginner, I can report that the recording of my GS180 using the Panasonic SW via USB 2.0 now works
Nevertheless, I have for almost 10 euros at Conrad a Firewire controller and a 3m cable (unfortunately a bit stiff) worried, because I already occasionally had problems with USB, and my external hard drive Aldi 250GB therefore constantly can connect via FireWire.
Also can I have the same software for transferring and editing.
Gruss, Hans-Dieter
Antwort von Bernd E.:
Without rauszustellen me now, I think in the consumer area, I am on a high Nivaeu As you can praise himself badly, tu ich das mal ;-) I am working for 36 years as a hobby, along with main-and photography, for seven years with the same video, and two years of which was synonymous in the trade as a branch manager of a specialist retailers operate. According s.inkompetenter much advice I have at all levels to experience again and again. What you, however, for a market overview and expertise has earned recognition, and that you all are so willing and patiently s.andere weitergibst deserves highest recognition.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von Jan:
Thanks Bernd, there is still much better than me. My Sales for example, the beindruckt me one or the other time I will probably not be synonymous in my whole life to be sold - sometimes am a little too cheeky and rude - yes, we did not easily seller with working hours, the wage and the customers love partially.
Recently, I have my reports of my early days at Slashcam reads (if you make synonymous times!) Because I have already developed - probably like many here - except maybe Mark (There is not much better)
@ Jens - prefer not to do it, it's not about someone just to make it so almost everyone can get with the properly selected questions. Good questions are for a "professional" sellers video actually not so difficult.
I must admit that I did not know long synonymous (did not stop at any time with a long camera to film & all instructions to study) that the GS 180 no stability at 16 / 9 has - just by chance when moving the camera with a few endeckt months.
VG
Jan
Antwort von Markus:
Hey folks,
Today I get to this mammoth thread to read. Really funny! Above all, I find it interesting that the debate USB / Firewire in constant regularity emerges and each long, controversial and sometimes not entirely factually synonymous always be discussed anew. ;-)
Recently, I have my reports of my early days at Slashcam reads (if you make synonymous times !)... That should be every time, so his
own posts from the beginning of time to read. I think there would be one or the other quite swallow, myself included.
I have here synonymous already learned a lot and still do it - not just on a technical level. Not for nothing I invest a portion of my free time here in the forum work. :-)
Antwort von Bernd E.:
Tomorrow I go into a store and buy me son'n thing. But I ask the dealer again accurate It is already tomorrow, and we would all wait eagerly awaiting the outcome of your tests merchants. So, how did the seller cut off?
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von Stöpsel:
Tomorrow I go into a store and buy me son'n thing. But I ask the dealer again accurate
It is already tomorrow, and we would all wait eagerly awaiting the outcome of your tests merchants. So, how did the seller cut off?
Gruß Bernd E. So now all fit times to:
So the dealer has claimed that with the firewire cable would be better ..... I buy the thing and make the comparison ....
-Nothing-No difference ... both Picture, sound quality are the same; The file size is the same size ..... Tja.
Had the engineer quite ????????
But you have so much experience ........... and know everything better than the one studied.
Antwort von StefanS:
So, now fit and you look at:
1. The dealer is right!
2. You do not read our answers, otherwise you would have noticed that here
If you like it works with USB, why the insurgency? Freu Dich but instead about and you are not burdened with other things. At the end are the zero and the one so on your calculator, as shown on the tape, whether it be with with USB or Firewire. That is the only thing that counts.
End, Off, Amen
and now please s.durch the cast
Greeting
Stefan
Antwort von Eva Maier:
Like the Internet - the zeros and the ones
/ E
Antwort von hyneck:
Lord let the brain for the poor stopper rain.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
-Nothing-No difference ... both Picture, sound quality are the same; The file size is the same size ..... Despite the apparent resistance of our advice USB Trolls dare I make a last attempt, if it in your test makes no difference, you have just one of those few in the thread mentioned above, camcorder, USB High-Speed compliant. So for some of you mentioned exceptional case of the rule.
The normal case for the remaining estimated 98 percent of the camcorder is that USB has limited quality (which even in the manuals of the manufacturer-wiki). All technical details are explained to you here on several occasions, been justified and documented. That you can now accept or not, s.der fact there is little change ;-)
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von DWUA:
@ Bernd E.
We thank you for your post along the river Main greetings!
Your praise on "our" Jan, let's reiterate:
Each forum, this synonymous here is enriched if it is such a
"hardworking" Poster of a planet (with the rings) has.
A "front-man" so to speak.
The fact that you have a nearly ausgestöpselten 7th heaven Graders revived
hast, - (due to a cable), we find not so good.
Since we are after a hard day's work but the first time in this long
Thread right margins can be developed, but many thanks.
Until now, our contribution is almost free in spirit.
But:
@ Jan
Your Planet gets of us is no further ring;
but you've made sure that he, at least as far as its inhabitants
concerns, much more positive light in contrast to the primitive
TV advertising has gotten.
Your boss should have a salary improvement hard to think about!
Antwort von Stöpsel:
So I think with the 7th Her class is really wrong.
Only because of the childish-sounding name (dates of my schooldays, because I was there the smallest) must not mean that I am in the 7th Class go.
The time I've been behind me
Antwort von PowerMac:
Yes, the eighth is synonymous nice ...
Antwort von Stöpsel:
Ne I meant the 6th Class ................... XD
Antwort von DWUA:
Na hallo,
Stoppers, but it was not meant bös!
Of course you are (physically / mentally) none 7 Graders!
Maybe this helps you next?
www.stiftung-sehnsucht.de
and other links ...
Before You läufts Amok!
Antwort von StefanS:
Only because of the childish-sounding name Your name does not sound childish, but your last post childish!
This fits perfectly into a picture in my head:
Kleiner, desperate, opinionated Spätpubertärer with hochrotem head stomps in anger with his feet on the ground
Despite the end, education and Amen had to be said.
A last greeting
Stefan
Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:
A last greeting
Oops, we are today but macabre :-)
Andreas
Antwort von Composer:
Transmission rates of a Maxtor hard drive:
Interface Transfer Rate: 800 Mbps (FireWire 800) / 400 Mbps (FireWire) / 480 Mbps (Hi-Speed USB)
Details of the data transmission speed:
* FireWire 800: 73 MB / s
* FireWire: 43 MB / s
* Hi-Speed USB: 33 MB / s
