Frage von antihero:
Hello together,
still worth the purchase of an HDR FX1, or should I wait a little?
I will finally start semi films and documentaries to make.
Have so far only experience with Hi8 Digital8 can make
although I must say that there is already a few years ago and it is skate videos or videos party involved.
A few friends and I spin a long time of making movies. Unfortunately, the absolute Cams .... synonymous and are no longer so true.
From and we have little experimental film starts. But that was never really over. On the one hand, we were quite young and on the other hand, the film does not look right with Hi8 over.
After a long search on the net I am always on the FX1 pushed,
because I think it's probably the Cam TRV 59 for my needs and my wallet is. Moreover, I already have a large battery of my old cam and a pretty good (vocal) mic.
For me, the FX1 has a shortcoming, it has no XLR. But since it is what do.
The XH A1 frightens me a little from. Have times over the manual and was amazed what a man of effort must be made for that part of its requirements.
What say you about this, worth a FX1 yet.
MFG
Patrick
Antwort von babalu:
I think a FX1 not worth more, and furthermore, the XH A1 is not so difficult to operate as it always is claimed!
You load the presets you eimfach of proboscis (www.fxsupport.de) already down and the wars with the complications.
I think my A1 no little difficulty. And of the Qualli you get to the A1, in any case more.
Antwort von Udo Schröer:
Here again is certainly a battle between the FX1 and XH-A1 beaten.
My opinion:
The FX 1 is certainly worlds better than what you previously had. Use it now 1 year. Whether one or the other believes that the Canon a better idea is to convince me of the FX1 housing to image quality.
See: You can not even be the end of the text to write, because the battle is already happening!
Antwort von babalu:
The eternal dispute "Canon is better than Sony's" - "No, Sonyist better than Canon" is simply too stupid to me.
Apart from that, the Canon does not violate the Sonyanstinken.
Antwort von babalu:
verkroch and spoke again in his building ..
Antwort von antihero:
The Sony - Cannon war makes it harder for the beginner really not that easy: (
On my FX1 synonymous makes a solid impression.
I'm with the SonyTRV 59 really good mileage. The lot had been through and are still seen.
The A1 looks to me as extremely poor out-Hitech. I can not imagine that without any problems running.
Has anyone experience how cold the A1 behaves, eg: Snowboarding?
The better pictures, the A1 definitely. But it depends on?
The external Charger find synonymous super.
Still have my old one, which I will then be able to use.
[quote = "Udo Schröer"]
My opinion:
The FX 1 is certainly worlds better, like what you had in the past.
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Sure you can TRV Hi8 not compare with the FX. The Fx is much superior.
I will primarily have what stable.
All have their pros and cons: (
Is really a difficult decision
Greeting
Patrick
Antwort von Udo Schröer:
Schau mal rein! Is super structure.
http://www.camcorderservice.nl/sony_fx1.htm
Antwort von antihero:
Woww super link.
Very nice pictures
Thank you
I only fear that the fx will soon no longer exist and there is nothing comparable exists or there is something new, comparable out.
In which area is filming it with the fx, so under what conditions?
More indoors (artificial light), in the dark (not artificial) or outside (nice weather, clouds, snow). That would be my main areas which are particularly important to me.
MFG
Patrick
Antwort von Udo Schröer:
When do you shoot? Today or in 3 years
The FX 1 is the state of the art. Better is always synonymous expensive.
The DCR-VX1000e was built until 2000. The minimum 8 year old models are at Ebay to 800th Euro - sold.
Antwort von antihero:
Honestly, I wait a lot oneself.
The ideas must be realize.
Antwort von Udo Schröer:
With such a cam you have the next few years, no problems. Regardless of whether Sony or Canon. As long as the professional HDV range is sold, there is synonymous Semi equipment.
If the consumer area synonymous AVCHD come, in the professional sector offers Sony yet six devices, all with HDV
http://www.sony.de/biz/view/ShowProductCategory.action?site=biz_de_DE&category=HDVCamcorders
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... have only fear that the fx will soon no longer exist ... The FX1 is quite some time no longer in the current Sony range, synonymous if they still have many Dealers s.Lager.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von immanuelkant:
The HDR-FX1, the mother of all HDV cameras! Is now a classic.
So, hol 'you you, as long as you get it yet.
Did the cam now 3 years. I'm extremely satisfied.
The A1, I can not appreciate ....
Antwort von antihero:
Yes yes you have right ...
The idiotic opinions and comparisons confusing.
The one way the other way eventually but it depends on what one does with it.
Antwort von babalu:
The best ists, you borrow you both just für nen day and compare them against each other and then you are smarter and do not ask you s.Ende: Hmmm, the other would perhaps have been better?
I've followed me for the A1 decided. But you do it for you to decide!
Antwort von smooth-appeal:
That has nothing to do with Sonyvs. Canon to do ...
The XHA1 is better than the FX1. Anyone who claims otherwise labert idiocy. I already have with both cameras and knows what I'm talking about.
The number of the FX1 is sufficient and is perceived as super does not alter the fact s.der. It is not a bad camera, but today is outdated and too poorly equipped.
Antwort von DeeZiD:
FX1 the Unscharfkamera:
http://www.fxsupport.de/01_Sony_HDR_FX1_Bildschaerfe.html
Antwort von immanuelkant:
FX1 the Unscharfkamera:
... jeh oh Lord, how bad!
Since I have with my FX1 so really lucky - or not forget to make sharp! ;-)
If it would be easy to resolve, as in the Still Image, you would definitely not sell as many FX1 (and I had my FX1 been thrown into the Rhine).
When this finally hears the meaningless contest at camp? So 'ne camera is really not a religious object s.dem a sense a belief can ignite war.
Antwort von antihero:
FX1 the Unscharfkamera:
...
jeh oh Lord, how bad!
Since I have with my FX1 so really lucky - or not forget to make sharp! ;-) I Think Dat synonymous;)
I have now decided for the FX1.
Stuff is just abandoned.
I'm eager to know when it is there:)
Can hardly expect it.
Antwort von DeeZiD:
I would have tried both before, and did.
But anyway congratulations and have fun with the Camera!
Antwort von smooth-appeal:
Bearing race ... Some write a really crap together!
I would my A1 immediately against a HDCAM SR swap ... As far as relating to the fight camp! I have nothing against Sony but the FX1 is simply outdated.
Those who do not wish to admit is a dreamer of compulsively tries to own property to keep up the arm until he drops.
Nevertheless, a lot of fun with your new camera.
I do not think you'll regret the purchase!
Antwort von Nacho:
FX1 the Unscharfkamera:
http://www.fxsupport.de/01_Sony_HDR_FX1_Bildschaerfe.html
jeh oh Lord, how bad!
Since I have with my FX1 so really lucky - or not forget to make sharp! ;-) Had neither the XH-A1 or the FX1, but I have my doubts that Wolfgang Winne would forget something!
Antwort von DeeZiD:
Since I have with my FX1 so really lucky - or not forget to make sharp! ;-) with security is a runaway or preset fully adjusted. When I kantenaufgesteilten images of other cameras can see, I can be really bad.
Sure, the FX-1 is not the latest HDV camera, you now (still) can buy - but it still has its qualities, not least the first processing (just where are all the "Help my FX1 strike" threads gone? only the Canon can be found was ...) and a super display. As the sun directly on it pop, and it still looks a good picture.
If I want, I can s.meiner FX1
synonymous until s.den sliders in the menu and play that it really makes scheiß images.
Antwort von TMV:
Schade ... but too late. I can do out of our page to confirm. One day, our intern with the FX1 to the studio and we wanted a bit of recorded material for a Making Of use. It was plain and simply not useful. And do not push it to the trainees, which is not short s.Geschick;)
(PS: The student has become an HV20 dazugekauft and is thus even more satisfied |:-O
Antwort von DeeZiD:
And why the material was not useful?
Antwort von Kalle:
Leutz, the blur on the Lens of the FX-1 is a kind of transport security, which can be screwed down synonymous!
SCNR:)
Antwort von DeeZiD:
has become an HV20 dazugekauft and is thus satisfied himself if this thread a few pages long, is any better than Canon ne RED ONE - perfectly clear!
Resolutionder The FX1 is still on 100x160 heruntergeredet, they can only be black and white, the Batteries fail after 5 minutes (for ever), the drives do not even think soo long, the lens is in truth only Fixfocus, and when using the viewfinder gets the user a thorn rammed into the eye. At least then the "sharp".
Did not know that this a Sony-bashing forum. The howls and Wehgeschrei those
supposedly in the FX1 "fuzzy" images have to come presumably of the same types that are here every few days after "film look" and squawk about crisp video recordings complain.
I know the way, a lender who has the XH A1 with more problems than with any other equipment together.
Antwort von smooth-appeal:
Come to me more like a Sony-justification forum ...
Can you not see the XHA1 is better than the FX1 when aside from the display?
It was about the Comparison of the two cameras and their Sony-fetishists out a war trying to interpret. Gehts noch?
Antwort von DeeZiD:
Sony-you fetishists out a war trying to interpret "unusable", "Unscharfkamera", "useless", "no quality," "outdated," "poorly equipped" and as a culmination of the discussion "Who claimed otherwise labert idiocy." the ultimate "Basta" award.
Facts? Nope. Even the General Assembly 20 will now be better! That you have not with "goes" acknowledged.
Antwort von Frank B.:
It was about the Comparison of the two cameras and their Sony-fetishists out a war trying to interpret. Gehts noch? No, it was originally about whether you still a FX 1 can buy, not the comparison of both your camcorder.
Unfortunately I could not try the A1, it was synonymous to (crucial) 500, - euro more expensive then than I am for the FX 1 decided. I have not regretted my decision. The images of the camera are absolutely top. You have to do so but on a HD Television Watch;). Although, on an SD monitor, the picture was also sharp crack. Possible that in comparison to A1 depicts a little blurred. They told me how lacking the Comparison. When switching of DV, but now I would not want to go back again. When my HD - FX1 recordings recently showed my video Club (all amateur) which is in the truest sense of the sub went down.
With Canon, I have in my over 15-year-old amateur filmmaker living already witnessed several cases of pure, so for me personally, I came to the conclusion I that Sony Solid build. But this is purely subjective. Before my FX 1 I had a SonyVX 1000 and a Canon XM1, was already accustomed to a relatively good image quality. The FX 1 is far better.
The Canon A1 is the way, with major problems of chromatic aberration have.
Gruß Frank
Antwort von Klausinger:
I do not think that is bad Sonyper definition - the FX1 it's no longer up to date, that's all You can not chalk up the FX. In fairness we should possibly with a successor model to compare, but if that still lasts, it could have returned to the successors of the XH A1, etc. A vicious circle ;-)
Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:
The Canon A1 is the way, with major problems of chromatic aberration have. Come for an equal s.and alleges that the FX1, the synonymous, but there was soooo Picture blurred that it does not recognize.
I have the FX1 now for over a year, and the last thing I could complain about me, are "blurred images". It is a first-Camera and punktum. A more recent model from another manufacturer may be "better", that makes the FX1 but not a bad Fatzer. And whether this "better" after the final product looks synonymous, may be questioned ...
BG, Andreas
Antwort von DeeZiD:
And whether this "better" after the final product looks synonymous, may be questioned ... How do you just ...
Horizontal Resolution in the FX1 with just 476 line pairs, each Consumer HD Camera today can. Guck Dir halt the test pictures in the video asset DIGITAL just in ...
Antwort von smooth-appeal:
Most cameras have CA.
Since, however, some apparently really at loggerheads with the competing products are manufacturer-save me now further comments. The questioner is happy anyway, so why we discuss here yet?
Anyone who likes to take a XHA1 - FX1 Comparison pervade may wish to come visit me happy. Maybe yes then open your eyes and the brain turns on again :-)
Ps Ultimately, it is already on the cameraman and all around to. If I were a kindergarten teacher an HD CAM SR would come guaranteed shots worse outcomes than if someone experienced with a 3-Chipper is on ... Hence, quiet blood. Whether in the veins Sony Or Canon flowing!
Antwort von Kindergärtnerin:
Hello, earlier semester, in what century we live. Small macho, eh?
As if kindergarten teachers could not use cameras. You might already 30 years in a film club and the www.bdfa.de his semi-professional shots and especially well-designed dramaturgically make films. Think about it. Shooting - the same male?
The kindergarten teacher
Ps Ultimately, it is already on the cameraman and all around to. If I were a kindergarten teacher an HD CAM SR would come guaranteed shots worse outcomes than if someone experienced with a 3-Chipper is on ... Hence, quiet blood. Whether in the veins Sony Or Canon flowing!
Antwort von Frank B.:
smooth-appeal,
it speaks None, however, that the A1 could be better or is better than the FX1. As already said, I never had as a direct comparison.
Conclusion Most of the statements on the FX1 is here: The FX1 is synonymous today good. She makes good pictures. It is a good camera.
This is the original question of the thread starter answered.
Incidentally, I had the direct comparison between the FX1 and the FX7, but under adverse lighting conditions (room with low ceiling lighting). Also since the FX1 has given me better. She is a little more light. FX7 advantage: it has an HDMI output.
Antwort von DeeZiD:
But that was denied or was the speech of a war between the Canon and Sony camps. The same photo in the forums. I buy my camera for me what is the best compromise between performance, price and equipment will take place. Which manufacturer should be behind every good man to be no preference!
And s.die feminist war you again! Exceptions prove the rule, or you can me right away 100 children gardeners present the better shots than experienced camera men / women?
When you interpret and respond to you as the very first moment's thought!
Antwort von smooth-appeal:
... and the Auto-Logoff mind:-D
Antwort von r.p.television:
The original thread question can really only be answered if the purchase price of the FX1 knows.
With only about 500, - Euro for the XH A1 difference would have been a very big SONY-trailer, if you still buy the FX1.
The FX1 is the first camera (HDV) hour and it made me very excited at the end of 2005 - especially in direct comparison with other DV or SD.
If you now but the footage of a perfectly calibrated XH A1 direct comparison with their counter-FX1 undergoes a, it is clear that two years of development have brought some s.Fortschritt.
The Picture - without Kantenaufsteilung (which has more the FX1) - have significantly sharper.
I'm really self-SONY defender, the quasi almost to his CANON camcorder had to be thrashed. Until now I had no problems, s.denen Canon camcorder apparently desöfteren ail.
I'm actually willing to re-SONY to change, there are only (? Yet?) Does not equal material. And I fear that Sonywith CMOS on the wrong train is cracked. Thus the FX1 for many applications, not bad (if the XH A1 would not be better).
Antwort von Heribert:
Gets you back on. The thread has said plate Camera bought anyway, so he must be happy now and not her.
Antwort von smooth-appeal:
A pity, I would have wanted the kindergarten teacher with the feminist Nachdenkschwäche would have again to speak. Insightful?
And proponents of the FX1 want my Canon synonymous None tested.
But I'm unpopular synonymous :-)
Antwort von Frank B.:
And proponents of the FX1 want my Canon synonymous None tested.
But I'm unpopular synonymous :-) No, you're not unpopular. And if you so sad, that your A1 None want for free, then send them to me to stop. I then do all the rest in a few Test Weeks with her. Warranty and other warranties, however, I as a private from testers. ; 0)
Frank
Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:
Warranty and other warranties, however, I as a private from testers. ... You're not the Frank, the other day so urgently require a HDV camera for the onboard use in a stock car race was looking for?
;-)))
Andreas
Antwort von smooth-appeal:
And proponents of the FX1 want my Canon synonymous None tested.
But I'm unpopular synonymous :-)
No, you're not unpopular. And if you so sad, that your A1 None want for free, then send them to me to stop. I then do all the rest in a few Test Weeks with her. Warranty and other warranties, however, I as a private from testers. ; 0)
Frank At the risk of me with you but still unpopular:
Forget it ;-)
Antwort von Frank B.:
@ smooth-appeal:
The fear I had: o (
@ Andreas_Kiel:
I was my FX1 to pity them. Had easy what can happen.
Moreover, I needed something Höherauflösendes, but because the FX1 is so bad images.
Antwort von smooth-appeal:
The FX-1 does anyway but only 3 frames per second, there would have been synonymous since a DSLR done ;-)
Antwort von antihero:
Thus, the cam just received :))))
Only I had to find that the manual is in English only: (
Have me now while the German instructions downloaded as a pdf, however, but would like something on paper daheim have.
Is there a possibility that the dealer or do I have a German manual for Sonybekommen it?
I do not want everything in English by zulesen when I conveniently synonymous
by the German could work.
Is this in the HDR FX1E normal?
Would certainly be in the A1 does not happen;)
Will the dealer write times (
MFG
Patrick
Antwort von kroko:
Have me now while the German instructions downloaded as a pdf, however, but would like something on paper daheim have. Lack of paper and your printer?
Antwort von Gast.:
Thus, the cam just received :))))
Only I had to find that the manual is in English only: (
Have me now while the German instructions downloaded as a pdf, however, but would like something on paper daheim have.
Is there a possibility that the dealer or do I have a German manual for Sonybekommen it?
I do not want everything in English by zulesen when I conveniently synonymous
by the German could work.
Sony Provides dieFX1 for synonymous and others on the Homeb
Is this in the HDR FX1E normal?
Would certainly be in the A1 does not happen;)
Will the dealer write times (
MFG
Patrick Hi Patrick,
I do not accept that you're blind and can read normal. However, I have slight doubts when I read your lines.
Sony support is an operating manual in 8 languages for SonyHDR-FX1, including synonymous
GERMAN in Adobe Acrobat format.
Trying times for Canon Support for the A1 a user manual in German Language to get. You can go for about 14 euro Operating Instructions for the A1 Order. So until then READ and WRITE.
A well-meaning filmmakers. Incidentally I have not FX1.
Antwort von kroko:
@ antihero
My FX1 had a Deuschsprachige Betribsanleitung. However, three years ago. Did well in the meantime changed. With my current camera of Sony (EX1) is not synonymous with German instructions.
Regards
Antwort von kroko:
Thus, the cam just received :))))
Only I had to find that the manual is in English only: (
...
Is this in the HDR FX1E normal?
...
MFG
Patrick If a gray / EU goods or similar absolutely normal - do not write to the dealer.
If you are a German or a German Instructions device want to go the next time to a German dealer in the store - then you pay is usually a few euros more, but did everything in German - synonymous the warranty!
Antwort von antihero:
Did the German me instructions as a pdf download,
however, but would like something on paper daheim have.
I do not want everything in English by zulesen when I conveniently synonymous
by the German could work.
MFG
Patrick
Hi Patrick,
I do not accept that you're blind and can read normal. However, I have slight doubts when I read your lines.
Sony support is an operating manual in 8 languages for SonyHDR-FX1, including synonymous GERMAN in Adobe Acrobat format. Trying times for Canon Support for the A1 a user manual in German Language to get. You can go for about 14 euro Operating Instructions for the A1 Order. So until then READ and WRITE. A well-meaning filmmakers. Incidentally I have not FX1. :) - °, °
So, the manufacturer assumes that everyone has access to the Internet and the customer in the country where their products are sold in their own language to print. Sad!
With each toaster is ne manual in umpteen languages drin.
In this price range it is not necessary:)
Well,
so what
Thank you for your hot discussion, tips;), your opinions and insults. ;) --
Tomorrow antesten first time, am sure even more often
TÜ
Patrick
Antwort von antihero:
Thus, the cam just received :))))
Only I had to find that the manual is in English only: (
...
Is this in the HDR FX1E normal?
...
MFG
Patrick
If a gray / EU goods or similar absolutely normal - do not write to the dealer.
If you are a German or a German Instructions device want to go the next time to a German dealer in the store - then you pay is usually a few euros more, but did everything in German - synonymous the warranty! This is of a German dealer and had synonymous Guarantee
Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:
In a FX1E is a German-language instructions in paper form usually is. Respect, it provides optical synonymous quite unlike the English, they tend to be gray instead of white paper, and the quality is not as synonymous.
German Dealers: write friendly and polite to ask such items. In the meantime, the instructions for downloading and Sony s.Screen read.
The first few days you probably spend only with exploring the whole controller :-)
Tip 1: a fully manual exposure control to obtain, must gain, shutter and iris are all set to manual. Once one of them is AUTO, regulates the value of car after. The course will find some shit, but there is nothing in the next as the DSLR Programs Aperture / Time Priority (plus gain).
Tip 2: The factory settings for color, sharpness, etc. You can only leave it once. If you have the opportunity, s.einen Television connect and then make only those rules. I had to while the Television through the whole slide Bude (Camera was on tripod s.offenen window), but the effort is worthwhile. The display is so brilliant that you otherwise on the color s.TV could easily be disappointed.
BG, Andreas
