Frage von diva-girl:
hallo video forum,
I would like to buy an HD camera and although the einziege to my low-class in question would be, of the Panasonic AG-HVX 200, that is for me a lot of money.
eigendlich had just thought s.den HDV camera HVR z1 of sony, but HDV is not true hd and I have several shots at the different gesehen.das has me convinced. I wanted me to buy a decent microphone, a Sennheiser.
my problem is this, with my entshceidung the Panasonic AG-HVX 200 to buy a lot of fun to be expensive. not only because the camera is more expensive, but because in order to turn on hd eigendlich I would either buy p2karte (the abysmal record wenicht minutes) or the hard disk recorder FireStore FS-100. the almost is located at 2000 euros.
I have to these reports recorders have not yet found, as far as I know is with a FireWire cable connected s.der kammera, my question is how well the eigendlich and can assess whether someone can extend such a format on the market can enforce so that these plates irgenwann cheaper werden.obwohl with the plate already 1 1 / 2 hours in question, still makes me very little.
my idea is if I buy the camera to continue to turn and Video irgenwann buy a plate.
I shoot mostly documentary stuff and without job or promotion is not really the investment to make.
I would be a very happy rat
regards
diva-girl
Antwort von nomulus:
I have several shots at the different view in direct comparison? Really?
Antwort von Meggs:
HDV is not only true hd and I have several shots at the different gesehen.das has me convinced. Here in Slashcam Camcorders Comparison cuts the HVX200 significantly worse s.als as the Canon XH A1, although it is significantly more expensive. I personally have not seen a direct comparison films, but the comparatively few pixels on the chip (actually SD resolution) and the consequent massive use of Pixel Shift makes me suspicious. Whether because of "real" HD can talk?
Antwort von nomulus:
Well, perhaps this is due to the fact that not everything about the camera is known. We must not only look at the horizontal resolution. How is it mt 4:2:2 to 4:2:0, intra-frame recording the HVX to Mpeg2 with long GOPs, 100 Mbps to 25 Mbps, variable frame rates and thus real slow motion and real Time Lapse in HD. Apart of a professional DVCPRO50 SD format, the possibility of synonymous DV DVCPRO25 or DV tape to record the P2 workflow and much more, except what the HVX200 no other camera in this price class has to offer.
Apart of the continuous recording with a number of P2 cards, which one is running shows on and play again, so then we as a concert film with no time gaps can. Here is a low-light recording of a concert in 720p25pa included:
http://www.jjbvideo.ch/files/andra_lullaby.wmv
Here is a. Pdf HVX to 200th already 15 months old, but still fairly up to date on the HVX200. In the field of nonlinear editing, however, are some other programs still to come.
http://mods.digitalvideoschnitt.de/HVX.pd
And a Thrad, the EX1 is against the HVX200. Time from the other perspective and not just in the stills and Vergelch deer Lowlight capabilities.
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=120699
As you can read a bit and then in person the pros and cons to weigh.
Here are some HVX200 clips to download:
http://www.ramgate.com/
Antwort von nomulus:
my problem is this, with my entshceidung the Panasonic AG-HVX 200 to buy a lot of fun to be expensive. not only because the camera is more expensive, but because in order to turn on hd eigendlich I would either buy p2karte (the abysmal record wenicht minutes) or the hard disk recorder FireStore FS-100. the almost is located at 2000 euros. So, at times, because now 32 GB P2 cards come out this year and are still the 64 GB and s.Jahresende most likely be the 128 GB cards come out, an external recording device as he Fire doors with 60 or 100 GB in my eyes no sense anymore.
It is more meaningful than FireWire directly on eg a laptop or a USB connected there Festplatrte incorporated. This may take you on location, which is in Premiere Pro CS3 package with is. Then you need no P2 card.
However, it is synonymous with some other NLE editing programs.
I hope this helps.
Antwort von AKED:
Sorry, I just was not logged.
The last two contributions, which are marked as a guest, come of me
Greeting
Dieter
Antwort von Sportler69:
Before me was a lot of rubbish written. The Panasonic HVX 200 is very expensive and requires expensive P2 cards to HD aufzunehemen, but the normal recordings with 25 frames, for example, are better than the recordings of other HD camcorders.
If one looks at this test and says that the Canon would be better than the Panasonic, just because they are ranked 1, because the Canon in spades won, where it is so unimportant, then it is very naive.
The Panasonic is of all the camcorders the best Camera and definitely worth the money!
Enjoy your purchase!
Antwort von Wastel:
Well, yes you can say many things. What is a better example, perhaps a matter of taste? So her with the real arguments and not some subjective impressions.
W
Antwort von C.I.W:
Ich hab mal a few months ago compared videos of Canon XH A1, Panasonic HVX 200 and JVC GY-HD100 seen. The worst cut from the Canon, because of the high motion blur. Even the HVX 200 looked old against the JVC HD 100 from in terms of motion blur.
Antwort von Sportler69:
lt active digital video should be sufficient to allow i.pods until the 4th bildaufzeihnung for generations to use, they have an i.LINK one source and up to 60 gb is enough for about 1 hour recording in the best qualified hd. the problem, you can only use this to buy, but very cheap hd aufzeihnen. I used i.pod cost 120 ¬. not really cheap. the new i.pods you can not use because they do not i.LINK (firewire) have. alternatively, see p2 times on ebay com. gone. with the low dollar exchange rate should be a p2 card much cheaper than in Europe.
gruß kroky
Antwort von camworks:
So, at times, because now 32 GB P2 cards come out this year and are still the 64 GB and s.Jahresende most likely be the 128 GB cards come out, an external recording device as he Fire doors with 60 or 100 GB in my eyes no sense anymore. yes, if you won the lotto, stimmt das
Antwort von AKED:
Or, if you earn money with it.
If it is synonymous to what I heard.
Antwort von camworks:
I earn my money ussynonymous with an HVX200. now there are gates to the fire with 160GB. p2 cards (yes you need more than one) are worth many times more expensive than a fire engine with the same capacity. who wants to produce today, comes a little recorder around.
16GB card (only 2 fit in the hvx): 728, - Euro net (per piece!)
http://www.mpec-gmbh.de/bc/_detailpage/zubehoer/kameras/2638/panasonic_aj-p2c016rg.html
fire tore FS100 (160GB): 1825, - Euro net
http://www.mpec-gmbh.de/bc/_detailpage/zubehoer/kameras/1584/panasonic_firestore%2Bfs100.html
must be no more likely to say, right? 32GB for 1456, - euro compared to 160GB for 1825, - euro. makes 45.50 euro per gigabyte P2 cards when and 11.41 euro per gigabyte when fire tore. prices go maybe someday down, but not at the moment.
Antwort von hergerger:
I hope you make with the new fire tore good experience. in various Movies Boards came the fire does not store well. one reads of data loss not receptive to possible cooling problems. all the gibs with p2 (not a hard drive) is not pan and no longer has the sole option flash memory manufacture. comes to a low moving down.
gruß kroky
Antwort von AKED:
Sure, if it is the host of conditions-how with the fire doors to work, he is certainly an alternative.
If I had power, I prefer directly to a laptop.
When outdoors, it is with P2 cards a little easier.
You can have it so, as it's own workflow s.besten is.
I have heard that now synonymous nor other producers and not only produce Panasonic P2 cards and can offer. There could possibly be priced as synonymous done. But I've seen yet not synonymous.
The bottom line but it is true: The P2 cards are (still) too expensive.
Antwort von camworks:
I hope you make with the new fire tore good experience. in various Movies Boards came the fire does not store well. one reads of data loss not receptive to possible cooling problems. I've tions "new" fire engine (with the angled plug) and have no problems with it. 've ever even during an incredibly violent thunderstorms rotated without problems. -30 Degrees, I had not yet, but Antarctica is not synonymous to my site.
Antwort von Login_vergessen:
Since I have with my Fire doors unfortunately different experiences. For example, not started recording, Fire doors are no longer recognized s.PC ... synonymous to "mounting options" of the Firewire cable s.der Camera ultimately I was not convinced clicks were not such a beautiful A-XLR Male - but surely would be better.
On most disturbs me s.P2 current system but still, that my "data" may be poorly archived (the last crash Head of an external hard drive is only a few days ago). Since the presentation of the HVR-S270, I am of an HVX or HPX back a little from ...
tape to the archive and memory in the cut, I somehow prefer.
Antwort von camworks:
and what prevents you from zb to HDV tape for archiving? if you are not DVCProHD recorder can afford, but is still an inexpensive alternative.
what did you do for a fire engine? already one of the new generation?
Antwort von Login_vergessen:
It was a FS-4HD, certainly not the newest generation. What do you mean with the archiving to HDV tape? Downconvert in the drive of the camera in SD to HDV tape or play the DVCProHD material on a HDV VTR? I suspect probably the latter, but because I can equal synonymous in HDV recording ...
Antwort von camworks:
no, because the archived final product is no longer to be processed. camera for the course material is not so good, but the project is done usually in DVCProHD yes. if you resist but expect sometime again s.die camera ran clips must, you must stop in the acidic apple bite and HDV time. still cheaper than ne DVCPRO HD maz and better than no hd archiving. was only a proposal for those who are ne 1400er or 1200 can not afford.
Antwort von Login_vergessen:
If my final product in HD, I would certainly DVCProHD prefer. I work exclusively for TV stations, the final product is SD. Whether the difference here between DVCProHD or HDV as the starting material nor großartig notice, I will at times play opportunity. If the difference in the
appearance very clearly for DVCProHD speak, I will probably regard the archiving again need to worry ...
Antwort von hergerger:
sd will disappear when you work for the tv you can synonymous the mini dv tape using DVCPRO 25, or 50 4:2:2 DVCPRO p2. should satisfy the quali. DVCProHD or 100 Mbps and the sun shining. high data rate as the car engine capacity, not replacing, other than by more data. or wait and on a more effective (affordable codec) wait. maybe 1-frame AVCHD, called for the pan avc-intra p2 gibs today, s.schlappe 50,000 ¬ (without optics). All in a hvx housing and from TV, is cinema.
gruß kroky
Antwort von Login_vergessen:
Yes, SD is extinct. I may die before all the channels only broadcast in HD ...
I am concerned with the archiving. I have no pleasure in DVCProHD to rotate them and then in the Camera on DV25 (archive volume) to convert, nor do I want to 30,000 EUR for a DVCProHD, MAZ as "archiving bitch" throw out the window. Since hollow but then I direct the HDX900 and can see my pictures in the archive quality, which was synonymous rotated ...
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... avc-intra p2 gibs today, s.schlappe 50,000 ¬ (without optics) ... Say s.rund ¬ 35,000 gross, but a chicken, it's still not.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von camworks:
Since hollow but then I direct the HDX900 and can see my pictures in the archive quality, which was synonymous rotated ...
jo, but the tapes cost 35 euro net synonymous. not cheap!
Antwort von hergerger:
the data is indeed a problem. only we can change nothing, but can only feasible use. I think nothing has ever existed, is not necessarily synonymous in this fast-moving time. today is already past and the world will ever see something new.
gruß kroky
Antwort von camworks:
rubbish. An archive is worth gold!
Antwort von Login_vergessen:
Since hollow but then I direct the HDX900 and can see my pictures in the archive quality, which was synonymous rotated ...
jo, but the tapes cost 35 euro net synonymous. not cheap! ... so then I would be back to HDV ... and as I currently see no reason not synonymous to shoot in HDV.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... nothing has ever existed, is not necessarily synonymous in this fast-moving time .. the world will ever see something new ... If so, would the TV program is not so full of repetitions ;-) In connection with the issue of archiving but these are experiences of "Pianist" interesting to read:
http://forum.slashcam.de/re-zwischenmeldung-das-erste-halbe-jahr-vp268088.html
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von camworks:
... so then I would be back to HDV ... and as I currently see no reason not synonymous to shoot in HDV. but then machs! ;-)
Antwort von Login_vergessen:
Mach I synonymous ... maybe ... ;-)
Antwort von hergerger:
Man, you have hingehauen. tapes do not live forever, because of their structure have a holding worth around time of 20-30 years depending on storage. the constant tv repeats have the advantage for the sender, they are cheaper than current materials. I do not deny that a data archive is useful if you are my posting correctly. but we should look back to the topic, otherwise diva-girl has nothing. bernd e. sorry, I know of only one cam with avc-intra, and the cost http://panasonic-broadcast.de/index.cfm?uuid=28F781BB9D374650ADDB1E547848CE13&CatID=4282&ClassID=10&PID=11901 now 50teus times.
gruß kroky
Antwort von camworks:
kroky, I want you not to come close, but there are still people except you, who know what they're talking about. So red is not as if we were all kids. Thank you.
tapes are for the longest time archiving medium. and not only that, synonymous to the first (far safer than eg hard disk). one is due to the technical development of equipment and recording procedures anyway after 10 to 15 years in new media umkopieren need. that was already so, and will (initially) continue to remain synonymous.
Antwort von hergerger:
we should not be here in person or even be offensive. I know very well what I am writing here. I film nähmlich synonymous already since 22 years. nothing for ungut and let us remain objective. nobody knows everything, children are grown synonymous.
gruß kroky
Antwort von camworks:
I am not personally, or even become abusive. I have just recommended you, not so patronizing to write because it is synonymous, except you still others who know what they write. zum thema "synonymous kids are grown up: I'm 40th and unlike you I have you your skills are not denied, you read my posting yet again.
if you are with "insulting" my "rubbish" should have meant: your statement was really nonsense, his recordings are not archived, so viewers because nowadays everything new and quickly want to have. time products are valuable and are needed occasionally, synonymous for many years.
Antwort von hergerger:
bist du vielleicht times come, that with the data was meant ironically? apart from that, you should be in the singular and not mention others. I have no you in your professional competence as agreed. I am neither patronizing nor liable occurred and know-I wrote: we should not be here in person or even be offensive. So it only garnicht happens. is understandable. I think we should be out and her revierabstecken with the end, it leads to nothing. I'm 14 years older and my relevant content to all of us next, teachings no preference of which side, are not.
gruß kroky
Antwort von camworks:
do you know kroky, I just do not let me be happy to trample it, that's all. some of my readers here, would only be here 14 years go. posting your "man, one that has hingehauen" and followed by instruction on bandlebensdauern came across as. My reaction had nothing to with "rolling spot" to do. But let's be good.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... I know of only one cam with avc-intra ... and the cost 50teus times now ... Is already correct in principle, however, the HPX2100 is synonymous (approx. 31,500 euros) with an AVC-Intra board (approx. 3,500 euros) to retrofit. So I came to my above 35,000 euros.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von studio tre:
ok, I went bernd e. Of course, the final product, because I simply lack the experience. I think the least and I will not exclude myself, can s.einer cam herumbauen so high, especially as the warranty expires. should it really so simple and has to be a platinum changing everything clean? but I think the difference lies not only in format, but synonymous with the bilbwandlern and other pieces of hardware. as far as I know, the 2100 is not synonymous full hd. I think someday there similar technology in the handheld device and would be glad.
gruß kroky
