Frage von Asparagus:
There are already some reviews of concert recordings, but everywhere I've looked up I could not find a satisfactory answer for me. So I now ask for here.
First of all our projects:
Soon we will take of a Christian youth band to a concert, which will then be released on DVD. The room, so I was told about is 10 meters wide, the stage 1.10 meters high. Singer, guitarist, drummer (I believe synonymous keyboards) - all this is.
We have 5 cameras (all 16:9) and 6 cameramen.
A camera is of the back on a tripod. A camera on the crane and 3 cameras are hand-held cameras, the singers, rhythm section and melody take each group. Is this such a good lineup? As you that have been resolved? - Somehow you have to divide even the camera man, or possibly all of the same film, which would be stupid. Worthwhile for a clear head light cameras?
Now even on the issue of tone: It's very open yet - unfortunately.
The best would be if we could have a kind of audio interface, all audio tracks (each mic, etc.) individually to record on the computer. What is there for me for opportunities? Or how can I add other so that the sound is really good?
One had the idea in the camera (we record a Canon XL2 included). Since we had schoneinmal 4 tracks - Is that worthwhile? (It would be possible only by RCA!)
[Otherwise we would have the following cameras: Sony Z1, sony fx7, sony FX1000, dsr250 (yes, she has no real 16:9. But that should not interfere here;)) and the said xl2. ]
As you have been taken from the Sound? We probably can not even take someone who is extra pegelt the sound - that very disturbing?
Possibly. we still want to back up of an ordinary small camera (something like this: http://www.slipperybrick.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/sony-handycam-hdr-cx7.jpg), which is filming the whole incident. Where can you borrow something like this cheap?
That would be firstonce.
I hope you can send me in to help because it's my first project in which we take in a concert.
mfg.
Antwort von KSProduction:
Article Title: live recording with 5 cameras
There are already some reviews of concert recordings, but everywhere I've looked up I could not find a satisfactory answer for me. So I now ask for here.
First of all our projects:
Soon we will take of a Christian youth band to a concert, which will then be released on DVD. The room, so I was told about is 10 meters wide, the stage 1.10 meters high. Singer, guitarist, drummer (I believe synonymous keyboards) - all this is.
We have 5 cameras (all 16:9) and 6 cameramen.
A camera is of the back on a tripod. A camera on the crane and 3 cameras are hand-held cameras, the singers, rhythm section and melody take each group. Is this such a good lineup? As you that have been resolved? - Somehow you have to divide even the camera man, or possibly all of the same film, which would be stupid. Worthwhile for a clear head light cameras?
IT IS BETTER-THE LIGHT OF THE STAGE LIGHTS WITH WHITE LIGHT FOR COMPLEMENTARY OR NOT TO BE NON
Now even on the issue of tone: It's very open yet - unfortunately.
The best would be if we could have a kind of audio interface, all audio tracks (each mic, etc.) individually to record on the computer. What is there for me for opportunities? Or how can I add other so that the sound is really good?
One had the idea in the camera (we record a Canon XL2 included). Since we had schoneinmal 4 tracks - Is that worthwhile? (It would be possible only by RCA!)
[Otherwise we would have the following cameras: Sony Z1, sony fx7, sony FX1000, dsr250 (yes, she has no real 16:9. But that should not interfere here;)) and the said xl2. ]
As you have been taken from the Sound? We probably can not even take someone who is extra pegelt the sound - that very disturbing?
EVERY SINGLE REMOVE INSTR is costly and NOT ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY. INS AND REMOVE ALL ROOM WITH MIXER REINNEHMEN. ABOUT THE AUDIO OUTPUT IN ONE PLACE TONAUFAHMEGERÄT WITH MINIMUM 4 CHANNELS. (THE OTHERS BOTH CHANNELS NIMST YOU TO THE RAUMKLANG MICROPROJECT. THEN HAVE 1.APPLAUS DRAUF and mixed together 2.Can CUSTOMISED BY MIXING IT UP GOOD RESULT KLINGT
Possibly. we still want to back up of an ordinary small camera (something like this: http://www.slipperybrick.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/sony-handycam-hdr-cx7.jpg), which is filming the whole incident. Where can you borrow something like this cheap?
NOT NECESSARY TO TAKE ONE OF THE OCCUPATION OF SMALL 5 CAMS FOR TOTAL PICTURE. (4 FRONT AND SIDE USED REASONABLE CAMS SATISFIED) with ability PERSONAL. IS IT BETTER TO WHO WAS IN WHICH KLÄR SONG PLAYS-SOLIS-MAKING PERSONAL Armed IST
That would be firstonce.
I hope you can send me in to help because it's my first project in which we take in a concert.
mfg.
HOPE I COULD CHANGE ONE OR THE TIP DEAL
Antwort von Manuell:
Hi,
but it still sounds quite good. To really get good sound you definitely need the signals outside the Chamber mixer on a splitter and with a 2nd Mixer cover. But this is expensive and you would just need someone to mix. Take the sound from the hall mixer, either in the camera, or, if any, in an audio recorder and another 2 mics for the room.
Antwort von domain:
So precisely, I have not read anything now, as far too long, but a certain amount of excitement and nervousness I have seen shining through.
I think that growing such projects must, of starting small to grow.
Antwort von Asparagus:
So it would be enough if I remove the sound from our audio interface RCA recordings on the laptop? Does that not then under some circumstances stupid, because the sound is gepegelt to space, etc?
So far I've thought my Microphone (EM9600 of t-bone) to put on a tripod and via translated to the XLR SonyZ1. How useful is a second microphone? (I merely had one ...)
Antwort von TomStg:
@ Asparagus
to the image:
1st basically a solid digital camera for unattended provide the total. camera significantly increases are possible, so that you free "field view" You have to stage.
2nd for the total you take one of the cameras with the best images that are available, eg the xl2. you need to complete the highest resolution. Therefore, the small sony for the total is totally unsuitable. nahaufnahmen take them more than handcam for.
3rd the salt in the soup are nahaufnahmen! eg snare drums and foot of the machine, keyboard, keys, guitar-bund, etc.
4th note how long the details are sets, the band plays. on more than one hour of continuous playing time you have to come for all cameras
Create a cassette tape with alternating plan.
5th pay attention to adequate lighting with white light! at too great darkness and / or colored lighting (especially bright red) it looks miserable results. do not underestimate the topic light. because very often wish the band and / or the promoter rather a dim lighting, which offers perhaps mood, but for video recordings is inappropriate. trust in no case to help avoid the low-light properties of your cameras!
to the ton:
1st has proved to be the separate recording with an audio-interface s.einem laptop and sound software such as audition or cubase or something similar, where you can record separate audio tracks in parallel. the interface should have as many eingangskänale as possible so that you later mix the sound properly can
2nd either you'll catch the various canals of the aux-jacks of the mixer for the sound-room, where the signal is looped through or you use a splitter that divides each channel to the mixer and room for your interface.
3rd waive the separate recording s.laptop to all effects like compressor, delay, or similar! that comes later in the sound mix. pay attention to the modulation that no one by clipping a signal is too strong. which can not be removed later.
4th If possible, put an additional (!) on two microscopic for the room-sound in stereo. This signal can take you with one of the cameras. you are using this signal later in the sound mix to the room atmo-like applause for example, security measures.
5th the ready-mixed clay from the laptop you use cut in your program as master audio track for synchronization with the audio tracks of the individual cameras.
6th the mixed-sound in the room is regularly covered completely inappropriate, as the room-sound sounds different when you need it for recording. eg. are the drums and the bass in the regular fall too low and the vocals too vague.
regards
tom
Antwort von Manuell:
Yes that's the problem, sometimes you get lucky with the space and the mixed for the room sound is synonymous suitable for the later DVD, but that's why you use a splitter and yes NEN 2nd mixer in order for the DVD and not the hall mix.
But as I said is ne effort and cost matter.
Antwort von Manuell:
TomStg has summarized it very well.
Antwort von Asparagus:
Thanks for the tips
Again the sound: I have a simple audio interface (Audiogram 3) with an XLR input and 2 RCA inputs. I could get me a second, which provides 2 times XLR / RCA 4. Is it somehow possible to use both interfaces s.einem laptop? Then I might take 6 times Cinch ...
Or is it better to rent something? If so, what and where?
Can someone tell me exactly what I needed s.Technik? ;)
mfg.
Antwort von Manuell:
That was my first attempt 2 years ago:
synonymous If only the sound of Saalpult + 2 room mics.
3 Canon XL2, a firm in the long shots, and a Canon XM1 behind the drums and stage.
I find it lacking Aufnahemn the audience and a few close ups of the instruments, and a little more different settings
and a faster cut.
Antwort von Asparagus:
The result looks so good ... As you have done this with the White Balance? Do you have it set to Automatic??
And you've taken the focus always yourself, or you rely on the auto focus?
So far I am still a little "fear" of the pickup ...
About a friend I could s.ein approaching good mixer (possibly synonymous splitter) free of charge. But I still do not know exactly what I need.
Antwort von markus-s:
Sum signal from the mixer to a separate room audio recorder, or possibly via XLR to talk to the Camera with Tripod (and only XLR and only immobile Camera and secure cable) - previously with the Tonmenschen who knows what is needed.
A hand-held camera instruct synonymous always include the audience and possibly for the events around it - cutaways. But this can ever be hairy on the lighting situation (Lowlight / noise, but synonymous quick light change): select proper camera. Before making close-ups of instruments, etc. (really Closeup) of intercut.
assign positions hand-held cameras - so you avoid that record the same thing or even to run into each other Picture. And of course hand-held camera shoulder mounted camcorder, tripod, or at least suspended shoulder stand. Head light at the concert? Most for interview situations - the public would thank them, the musicians eh
Speaking with the band members, whether a film can on the stage without disturbing (synonymous platzabhängig). The optical should attract low key (shoe polish on his face is not necessary ;-)
Before lighting check and adjust cameras out (manual WB, Gain, ...). set at different settings for different ProfiCAM back lighting situations in advance.
Tripod, Crane and Cables time to build ... VERY good time.
consider also add atmosphere - how to start the DVD / (should be directly with the first song? arrival of the audience? the musician? tense expectation? ....) and whether additional extras (interviews, backstage, ...) are desired .
Incidentally, 5 or 6 Cams plus external sound synchronously to get through an entire concert is not without it.
Good luck!
Markus
Antwort von TomStg:
@ Asparagus
ton for the min you need. following separate tracks:
1st drums are (in the fall as a regular sub-mix available, or 1 channel)
2nd fallsl possible: bass-drums
3rd bass-guitar
4th lead-guitar
5th rhythm-guitar
6th keyboards
7th vocals
two interfaces simultaneously s.laptop not. buy sticks of inputs as an interface 8 min Sperate pawl or xlr. is synonymous to borrow - for friends or prof lenders. need to search in internet, which is lending it in your near. otherwise buy for example, at Thomann
Antwort von KSProduction:
That was my first attempt 2 years ago:
synonymous If only the sound of Saalpult + 2 room mics.
3 Canon XL2, a firm in the long shots, and a Canon XM1 behind the drums and stage.
I find it lacking Aufnahemn the audience and a few close ups of the instruments, and a little more different settings
and a faster cut. At first glance managed really well. saalpult is often synonymous glückssache. But this is really bad recording results never just when everything was taken into saalpult and it is not just a mini location. then this is a real problem then
Antwort von TomStg:
@ Asparagus
an additional mixer for your recordings before you place uses only a little. if you can mix the set in a soundproof room. In general, it is not, so that you have the mix of individual channels to create after the concert. if only you the aufnimmst sum signal, you have nothing to mix.
manually synchronize the individual tracks less difficult than it appears. with the highly spread waveform on the time line works well. useful for synchronizing the cams is an electron-blitz, see all the cameras ". it should be asynchronously after some time, you make a song one end cut and re-sync.
the white balance anzugeleichen s.alle cameras on site, although the optimal post-Poduction cut in, will not succeed. that can be cut but in your program to make up for each kameara.
Antwort von Asparagus:
So I rent my s.Besten an audio interface with 8 or more inputs and take it up in Cubase on my laptop. - Finally, a little clarity. Where can I place the microphone on Atmo-s.besten? From the stage towards the audience?
I'm just thinking the camera up just a little change. The long shot in the back of the top things that I liked. Maybe I'll take only two hand-held cameras, a camera s.Tripod, the crane and a little on the back of the stage Handycam, if I can get one?
Antwort von TomStg:
the atmo-micro s.besten stands near the hall-stage mixer with device for the speakers.
regards
tom
Antwort von Asparagus:
Okay, thanks for the hint. Can I still ask why the Micro exactly stand there to do? (One wants to learn and follow what synonymous not only "instructions";))
Antwort von Manuell:
Then you get the best live sound, as is mixed down to the position.
