Frage von Hitchcocks Erbin:
Hello everyone!
I am looking for a camcorder.
Criteria would include:
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* SD Card
* Optical Zoom
* Optical Image Stabilization
* Good image quality
* Passable battery runtime
* Good sound quality
* Reasonably small
* No HD
* Model are clearly relevant brands like Panasonic or Sony
* Max Priced up to 300 ¬. 500 ¬
* If it's in a different color than black and (silver, red, yellow, green, or so)
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Despite this strict policy catalog I have not particularly know much of technology. I was already synonymous with a larger Elekrofachladen ago and I've done a few devices, but unfortunately I am not grown much smarter ...
Thank schonmal!
Love Greetings
Hitchcock's heir
Antwort von pilskopf:
Red? Green? Rosa?
lol. As you would have time to look into whether the Japanese would not matter so much.
And SD card but does this new format. I hope you know what kind of trouble you get it. But hardly think that it is a cam in SD. Songserm time to HDV cams. Sony's cams have really always a very good sound.
Antwort von Hitchcocks Erbin:
Red? Green? Rosa?
lol. As you would have time to look into whether the Japanese would not matter so much. Haha.
Well, Panasonic provides examples of many models in red. I think that's better than this boring black or gray. Is obviously not a must, but a nice extra.
And SD card but does this new format. I hope you know what kind of trouble you get it. But hardly think that it is a cam in SD. Mh, I do not know now exactly what you get with "anger" mean.
And why should there not be such a Cam?
I have seen many times in this price range.
To give time for a few suggestions:
At first it had done to me, the Panasonic S26, especially the 70-times zoom. After I've read some test reports that the image quality is apparently beneath contempt, I have drained it but ...
Here in the Forum will be promoted more often times the Panasonic S9 - what are its advantages?
Songserm time to HDV cams. Sony's cams have really always a very good sound. Well, actually I did not want HDV, because I have anyway no matching Television and also said an acquaintance, that if you want to cut HD movies, a powerful PC needs ...
Antwort von pilskopf:
Forget digital zoom, which is grossly botch And that's the first thing I always disable that brings nothing at all.
So this new format, AVCHD, this is what is stored on memory cards and the format is the death of old calculator. You need a cam which takes into Mpeg Schnittfreundlich which is very weak, and synonymous with running Calculator. Maybe you say something here you have a calculator.
Antwort von Hitchcocks Erbin:
Forget digital zoom, which is grossly botch And that's the first thing I always disable that brings nothing at all. Where I have written of what digital zoom? That dolle is not so, I know.
So this new format, AVCHD, this is what is stored on memory cards and the format is the death of old calculator. You need a cam which takes into Mpeg Schnittfreundlich which is very weak, and synonymous with running Calculator. Maybe you say something here you have a calculator. A Medion akoya notebook:
AMD Turion 64 X2 TL-56 dual-core
160 GB hard drive
2 GB of RAM
Antwort von DigiDau:
..
Well, actually I did not want HDV, because I have anyway no matching Television and also said an acquaintance, that if you want to cut HD movies, a powerful PC needs ... HDV cameras like the HV30 or HC9 have a down converter. You can shoot in HDV and import the movies on demand synonymous in DV on the PC. If you later have a HD compatible equipment, you have the transport stream synonymous for projects in HDV quality.
Antwort von Hitchcocks Erbin:
..
Well, actually I did not want HDV, because I have anyway no matching Television and also said an acquaintance, that if you want to cut HD movies, a powerful PC needs ...
HDV cameras like the HV30 or HC9 have a down converter. You can shoot in HDV and import the movies on demand synonymous in DV on the PC. If you later have a HD compatible equipment, you have the transport stream synonymous for projects in HDV quality. Ah, interesting, thank you.
But of those scale models, unfortunately, you are far above my budget ...
Antwort von pilskopf:
Your Calculator is still fit for HDV, I is not synonymous better.
And you wrote but what with 70-times zoom. If that is not digital, what else? So only the optical zoom is 20x and as such is very good and ausrechend. 10 go to the emergency still synonymous.
Antwort von Hitchcocks Erbin:
Your Calculator is still fit for HDV, I is not synonymous better. Achso? Okay ...
And you wrote but what with 70-times zoom. If that is not digital, what else? So only the optical zoom is 20x and as such is very good and ausrechend. 10 go to the emergency still synonymous. The optical IS ;-).
Antwort von pilskopf:
WTF? So what I've already seen before. There must be a catch. : D
The cam would be something for you, right? Has everything you want. Mpeg even on SD card.
Antwort von B.DeKid:
Hi
Unfortunately, our expert Jan did not seem to be there
http://www.camcorder-test.com/camcorder.html here in the list of Slashcam, can you at Filters - Lowest Price max ... specify one price and then let Sotier so.
MfG
B. DeKid
PS: Digital zoom was referring to the mention of the factor 70, an optical zoom of Tele aka x 70 I "really" not known.
Antwort von pilskopf:
Is it actually optical zoom and 70x. I can not believe it.
But anyway the most important is a wide angle, would not know whose focal. 50mm likely.
edit: Ok, the zoom is probably a reality, and the Focal is 38mm. This is all about. The resolution is probably low for this Panasonic.
Antwort von B.DeKid:
It may, at any sollchen cameras zoom factor of x70 give ;-)
If you unscrew s.eine XL1s one or XL2 EF Adapter, then attach a 100mm lens, plus the SD CroppFaktor of about 7.2 then counting on you come to approximately 700mm scale mapping .....
Consumer cams have about or lie about always at about 24 mm to 250 mm ... more is there to get out of the optics, but schaon due to Bauweisse.
Moreover, everything is really no longer than 150 mm film out of the hands is not synonymous with optical stabilizer ..
MfG
B. DeKid
Antwort von B.DeKid:
Is it actually optical zoom and 70x. I can not believe it.
But anyway the most important is a wide angle, would not know whose focal. 50mm likely. The
"and" here is the rub.
MfG
B. DeKid
Antwort von pilskopf:
The cam has one synonymous 3500fachen digtalzoom. lol. What there is not anything there.
http://www.amazon.de/Panasonic-SDR-S26-SD-Camcorders-SDHC-Card-70-fach/dp/B001RCJDTY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=ce-de&qid=1247530230&sr=8-1
Antwort von Hitchcocks Erbin:
WTF? So what I've already seen before. There must be a catch. : D
The cam would be something for you, right? Has everything you want. Mpeg even on SD card. The catch is (; apparently) that she has a very poor picture quality.
Otherwise I would buy it to me now ...
Hi
Unfortunately, our expert Jan did not seem to be there
http://www.camcorder-test.com/camcorder.html here in the list of Slashcam, can you at Filters - Lowest Price max ... specify one price and then let Sotier so.
MfG
B. DeKid Hmm, really "smart" from the list, unfortunately I will not ...
PS: Digital zoom was referring to the mention of the factor 70, an optical zoom of Tele aka x 70 I "really" not known. So, the Panasonic SDR-S26 which is explicitly of "optical zoom x70 "....
Antwort von pilskopf:
The Cam does not even have ne Pal resolution. 680x480 as far as I've seen.
So that's an optical Zomm is very unique, still can not quite believe. This is a typical example of a cam, which with some data, but shows off s.end can not really hold on to a memory.
Antwort von actaion:
Yes, the S26 actually has 70-fold optical zoom.
This is unfortunately synonymous the reason for the moderate picture quality.
PAL resolution, but of course he still synonymous, and not just 640x480.
You two farewell behind the moon!
Cams with 60 or 70-fold zoom there are now far aplenty!
@ Pilskopf
She has already said all along that they do not want HD, then why do you constantly talk of AVCHD and HDV? In this case, that's not even relevant.
@ Hitchcock's heir
My recommendations:
1) SonyDVD510
I myself have fulfilled all your conditions on to:
- No SD Card, Memory Stick instead (; like all Sony devices), and an additional DVD.
- No bright colors
Extra features:
+ Night-Shot (; 0Lux. Infrared)
+ Slow motion function
2) Panasonic H280
satisfies all conditions except
- Of the form a little chubby (but not really synonymous large)
- Zoom range is somewhat limited (; "only" 10-fold with little zoom Wide angle)
- No bright colors
+ Good lowlight quality
3) JVC Everio GZ-MG630
- Not so good picture-and sound quality as 1 +2
- Only electronic stability
+ Color & cheap
+ (Built-in light, but very short range)
+ (A lot of zoom, 35x)
4) Canon FS200
like 3 (; stability and ton minimum) better, but without light
5) Panasonic SW20
as 4, but
- (Less zoom, 10x)
+ Waterproof!
I am now taking the battery time outside before I left, because I do not know. Except in the case 1) because it is good.
Antwort von B.DeKid:
Extrapolating times 3500 / 70 and then you come to ca 50
Let you in the list, for example, 20 results show and pick up price $ 500
Then you start deleting all the AVCHD cams and so find your choice for more s.Kameras.
I would put in this price class as the medium because memory on MiniDV Cams with your lap will not actually be cut.
Here, finally, was offered the HV30 needed something good for my Meihnung after s.besten.
For your lap, if that's PCMCIA slot, you can look for about 15Euro buy a firewire card. HDV and then you can so easily after cutting down on SD count.
MfG
B. DeKid
Antwort von actaion:
I would put in this price class as the medium because memory on MiniDV Cams with your lap will not actually be cut. Is it on the tube? She wants to NO HD!
Thus card Cams are no problem.
Antwort von Hitchcocks Erbin:
Yes, the S26 actually has 70-fold optical zoom.
This is unfortunately synonymous the reason for the moderate picture quality.
@ Pilskopf
She has already said all along that they do not want HD, then why do you constantly talk of AVCHD and HDV? In this case, that's not even relevant.
@ Hitchcock's heir
My recommendations:
1) SonyDVD510
I myself have fulfilled all your conditions on to:
- No SD Card, Memory Stick instead (; like all Sony devices), and an additional DVD.
- No bright colors
Extra features:
+ Night-Shot (; 0Lux. Infrared)
+ Slow motion function
2) Panasonic H280
satisfies all conditions except
- Of the form a little chubby (but not really synonymous large)
- Zoom range is somewhat limited (; "only" 10-fold with little zoom Wide angle)
- No bright colors
+ Good lowlight quality
3) JVC Everio GZ-MG630
- Not so good picture-and sound quality as 1 +2
- Only electronic stability
+ Color & cheap
+ (Built-in light, but very short range)
+ (A lot of zoom, 35x)
4) Canon FS200
like 3 (; stability and ton minimum) better, but without light
5) Panasonic SW20
as 4, but
- (Less zoom, 10x)
+ Waterproof!
I am now taking the battery time outside before I left, because I do not know. Except in the case 1) because it is good. Thank you for your helpful reply:).
3) and 4) seem to me (very good, 1 and 2 are priced way) above my level. Is it "bad" if the cam has no optical image Stabilization?
Here in the forum several times, the
Panasonic S7 and
S9 were called - because these are synonymous recommended?
Also, I have not found the
Panasonic SDR-H 80 EC - the good for what?
Antwort von actaion:
3) and 4) seem to me (very good, 1 and 2 are priced way) above my level.
Why is that, 1) are available for 385 ¬ -> http://geizhals.at/deutschland/a305353.html
2) for approximately 430th
You had yet shown up to 500 ...
Is it "bad" if the cam has no optical image Stabilization?
not necessarily, but freehand is especially use of zoom, that does not totter caught just as good.
Just when you fully ausfährst the 35xzoom, will you hinbekommen freehand in 3 +4 not synonymous only halfway peaceful images. This is a horrible bobble and shivering-Picture, which will look like None. Even with a good opt. But the stability is only slightly better, long lenses are freehand trottdem still difficult.
Here in the forum several times, the Panasonic S7 and S9 were called - because these are synonymous recommended?
Which correspond roughly to the SW20, but not stop water (; S9), after all, splash, and are therefore synonymous with quality comparable to 3 +4.
Also, I have not found the Panasonic SDR-H 80 EC - the good for what?
That is almost a S26 + integr. harddrive
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Antwort von Hitchcocks Erbin:
Is it "bad" if the cam has no optical image Stabilization?
not necessarily, but freehand is especially use of zoom, that does not totter caught just as good.
Just when you fully ausfährst the 35xzoom, will you hinbekommen freehand in 3 +4 not synonymous only halfway peaceful images. This is a horrible bobble and shivering-Picture, which will look like None. Even with a good opt. But the stability is only slightly better, long lenses are freehand trottdem still difficult.
Here in the forum several times, the Panasonic S7 and S9 were called - because these are synonymous recommended?
Which correspond roughly to the SW20, but not stop water (; S9), after all, splash, and are therefore synonymous with quality comparable to 3 +4.
Also, I have not found the Panasonic SDR-H 80 EC - the good for what?
That is almost a S26 + integr. harddrive Okay, then I look, though I think 1-4 in store for them once "live test" to be able to.
Thank you :-)!
If anyone else has suggestions - so bring it on.
Antwort von Hitchcocks Erbin:
Oh, one more question:
I would put in this price class as the medium because memory on MiniDV Cams with your lap will not actually be cut. Why is your opinion, does not it?
As I said, I want to get away from mini-DV format, which I had now for years and thought it was pretty annoying at times ...
Antwort von B.DeKid:
Because AVCHD People say we could cut only on fast computers. I myself have not as yet have nutzeen.
But with Core Duo it should be difficult.
What is annoying to mini DV, I can not understand why the best of intentions, maybe I have too much time simply synonymous, who knows?
But before I would invest in real toy, I would invest in a good used stuff.
For the statement that I want HD but no memory card is again sprüchig in my eyes.
MfG
B. DeKid
PS: Sorry for my position, but in fact, I often use KB or medium format film to work, listen to Music of tape or LPs, and put a fly rod when a fish. Quasi nostalgia fall ;-)
Antwort von Meggs:
Is it actually optical zoom and 70x. I can not believe it. Fashion is so late, very high optical zoom, especially for the beginner models.
Who has time work with 20-times zoom lens, knows that more is absurd. To that the fact that even a 20-times zoom, the manufacturing cost in Comparison to an equally good with 10-times zoom lens dramatically driving up, one can imagine that image quality is a lens with 70-times zoom has a Billigcamcorder .
Antwort von Meggs:
I was already synonymous with a larger Elekrofachladen ago and I've done a few devices, but unfortunately I am not grown much smarter ...
If you go there again, while doing test recordings, synonymous in dark corners, and subsequently anschaust on a decent monitor, you know more than all the answers in this thread, you can say. You have high standards s.The technology at a small budget. On the other hand is "good quality" is a very elastic term.
If you stay a little stubborn and not just in the main turn-around time to show up in business to make the das
Antwort von Meggs:
Is it "bad" if the cam has no optical image Stabilization?
not necessarily, but freehand is especially use of zoom, that does not totter caught just as good.
That's not true. A good,
effective optical stabilizer costs money, but does not deteriorate the image quality.
Some beginners camcorder models such as Panasonic, have an optical stabilizer, but shows the Comparison of electronic stabilizers very little effect. Of course he does not deteriorate the image quality synonymous, but that makes a switched off electronic stability not synonymous.
Electronic stabilizers are more effective in general deteriorate, but systemic in the resolution.
Antwort von Hitchcocks Erbin:
Thanks for your answers, Meggs.
Which camera would you recommend it?
Antwort von pilskopf:
Are you really as important as manual settings, aperture, shutter, focus, etc.? So, what is important to know.
Antwort von Hitchcocks Erbin:
Are you really as important as manual settings, aperture, shutter, focus, etc.? So, what is important to know. Nope, is not important to me.
If it is, so I would not synonymous ;-) no problem.
Antwort von Meggs:
Which camera would you recommend it? I can tell you any specific advise, because I never did with a newer camera in this price range was.
Personally, I prefer MiniDV. I would raussuchen me s.deiner body of the eligible devices of different Manufacturer, or maybe look for tests, and then try out a few devices. At 300 ¬ wirds eng, for ¬ 500 you get in the SD area was already a regular. Whether Sony, Panasonic or Canon is a matter of taste.
Antwort von actaion:
Because AVCHD People say we could cut only on fast computers. I myself have not as yet have nutzeen.
But with Core Duo it should be difficult.
For the statement that I want HD but no memory card is again sprüchig in my eyes.
There is no question it's HD, and therefore not synonymous to AVCHD? Understand it at last! You write all the time completely by s.Thema!
We are talking about cards camcorder to record in SD resolution, and use Mpeg2 format, that is with a Dual-Core Calculator to easily manage.
Antwort von actaion:
Is it "bad" if the cam has no optical image Stabilization?
not necessarily, but freehand is especially use of zoom, that does not totter caught just as good.
That's not true. A good, effective optical stabilizer costs money, but does not deteriorate the image quality.
Some beginners camcorder models such as Panasonic, have an optical stabilizer, but shows the Comparison of electronic stabilizers very little effect. Of course he does not deteriorate the image quality synonymous, but that makes a switched off electronic stability not synonymous.
Electronic stabilizers are more effective in general deteriorate, but systemic in the resolution. The so synonymous not quite true. The opt. stabilizers in the cheap Panas synonymous stabilize significantly better than the el. in the cheap JVC's. As with the el. stabilizers of Sony / Canon / Pana looks like, do not I may be, that are slightly better than that of JVC ...
In my experience, are always preferable to visual. All models have improved so synonymous opt. Stabilizers, and only the cheap electric. That we have a reason ...
Antwort von pilskopf:
It did stop once a time when all was what the customer is digital rather than analog counterpart, until the people have once again made aware that this is total nonsense.
Although I must say that the optical stabilizer of my old Hi8 is still better than the one that has my HC9 inside. With whom I could even at 40x zoom lens still absorb by decent pictures.
Antwort von Meggs:
The so synonymous not quite true. The opt. stabilizers in the cheap Panas synonymous stabilize significantly better than the el. in the cheap JVC's. If so, then the electronic stabilizers stabilize in the cheap JVC's not at all. Alternatively, the stabilizer was switched off at your attempt or broken.
Antwort von Meggs:
@ Hitchcock's heir
In http://www.videoaktiv.de you can in the menu item "Cam-search enter your criteria. Then you get a choice s.Camcordern who meets these criteria, with the tech. Data, test images, link to the homepage of the manufacturer, and their evaluation. Maybe something will help you next.
Antwort von Hitchcocks Erbin:
Thanks for the link, Meggs.
Today I once looked at a few journals and is currently torn between the
Canon FS10 (, respectively.
Legria Canon FS 200 - of what, then, since the exact difference? Is it simply the successor?), The
JVC GZ-MG330 and the
Panasonic SDR - H 80 EC. ..
Antwort von actaion:
Thanks for the link, Meggs.
Today I once looked at a few journals and is currently torn between the Canon FS10 (, respectively. Legria Canon FS 200 - of what, then, since the exact difference? Is it simply the successor?), The JVC GZ-MG330 and the Panasonic SDR - H 80 EC. .. The FS 10 has 8GB internal memory, and a slightly higher aulösenden sensor.
The H80's just like the S26 ... do not recommend this way. S7/S9/S15 are better off.
The JVC has ne 30GB HDD in there with (; the 630 60GB).
H80 and JVC have a better Wide Angleals the canons, which in practice is not synonymous irrelevant.
Antwort von Hitchcocks Erbin:
The FS 10 has 8GB internal memory, and a slightly higher aulösenden sensor. What does it mean respectively. what it is relevant?
The H80's just like the S26 ... do not recommend this way. S7/S9/S15 are better off. Ah, okay.
What then are the differences between S7 S9 and S15?
The JVC has ne 30GB HDD in there with (; the 630 60GB). And what does it matter? If you have an SD card, but you need to be no internal memory - or do you?
H80 and JVC have a better Wide Angleals the canons, which in practice is not synonymous irrelevant. What we need for the wide-angle?
Sorry, I hope I'm not nerve with this whole stupid questions, but I do have no idea of all these technical terms ...
Antwort von B.DeKid:
Wide = Abbildungsmass crew
for example, in areas or on close-ups with a short distance to the object
Antwort von Hitchcocks Erbin:
Oh and one more question: Is there between the FS10 and FS100 is a fundamental difference to the fact that the former has an internal memory? Which model is for "new"?
Antwort von actaion:
What we need for the wide-angle?
Have you schonmal have had the problem that you wanted to take a group photo, but not all people fit onto Picture, even though you were standing with their backs to the wall? Then you have Anglegefehlt Wide ...
The opposite is telephoto. With the Zoom you change the setting of Wide Tele Anglenach or vice versa.
The zoom factor describes how big the difference between quasi-max. Max Wide and Tele Anglebei is a camera.
Since you have in a camera with 35x zoom and more-eh tele more than enough, here is a camera (with lesser initial focal length, which is larger weitwinkel) of advantage.
Antwort von Hitchcocks Erbin:
What we need for the wide-angle?
Have you schonmal have had the problem that you wanted to take a group photo, but not all people fit onto Picture, even though you were standing with their backs to the wall? Then you have Anglegefehlt Wide ...
The opposite is telephoto. With the Zoom you change the setting of Wide Tele Anglenach or vice versa.
The zoom factor describes how big the difference between quasi-max. Max Wide and Tele Anglebei is a camera.
Since you have in a camera with 35x zoom and more-eh tele more than enough, here is a camera (with lesser initial focal length, which is larger weitwinkel) of advantage. Aha, I understand.
Maybe someone knows the answer to the following questions:
What then are the differences between S7, S9 and S15?
EDIT: Apparently there are only purchase on the S7. With 149 ¬ which is really dirt cheap! What has it (because in Comparison to my other preferred models for the handicaps in addition to the 10 times zoom, and I believe that the very last, right?)?
Exists between the FS10 and FS100 is a fundamental difference to the fact that the former has an internal memory? Which model is for "new"?
Antwort von actaion:
afaik, only the memory of the various (; without guarantee)
s9 is splash and dust, yet ne s15 has little video light. The S7 does not have both.
Otherwise, are about equal.
Antwort von actaion:
The JVC has ne 30GB HDD in there with (; the 630 60GB).
And what does it matter? If you have an SD card, but you need to be no internal memory - or do you?
Does one need not necessarily tasächlich. But you have not yet extra money to spend on several major memory cards, but has schonmal hold 30 GB space with it.
Antwort von Hitchcocks Erbin:
Mh .. the FS100 would actually (my preference;) in red, but unfortunately, it seems scarcely to admit even to buy - and then only at a relatively high price ...
So how's ausschaut, I'll probably make up my mind between the FS200 and the S 7 ...
Any tips?
Antwort von Hitchcocks Erbin:
I just got now opted for the S 7 - 149 ¬ is really an unbeatable price, and is also pretty small and the test results are synonymous well.
Yet to conclude, two questions:
1.) If this order page reassuringly?
http://www.redcoon.de/index.php/cmd/shop/a/ProductDetail/pid/B183148/cid/2011/Panasonic_SDR_S7_rot_EU_Ware/
2. I have to purchase an yes or a SD card. Rich 8GB or it should have been more 16? And must be synonymous of the SD Card Panasonic or synonymous go other companies?
At Amazon, there are both Transcend (; 8 GB ¬ 16.45) as synonymous Sandisc (; 8GB ¬ 11.70). What can you recommend?
Antwort von actaion:
8GB at approximately 2:40 p.m. film fit into standard, or 1:50 in the best quality.
Other card manufacturers estimate synonymous (; Sandisk, Transcend, Kingston, Fuji, Lexar example).
Card speed is transmitted, in principle, no preference, only that the PC takes with slow event tickets. slightly longer.
SanDisk Ultra II or Lexar or Transcend Performance class 4 or 6 would be my recommendation for a good price / performance ..
Antwort von Hitchcocks Erbin:
SanDisk Ultra II I've ordered me now:).
Now it means waiting * g *.
