Frage von Dok:
Hello,
after long wrangling, and her I have come to believe that the JVC HD30 is the camera that meets most of my criteria. As you try the dealer, I was able alledrings not fix the exposure to manual.
If I stopped down the aperture, the exposure time went into the automatic. When I changed the menu to manual exposure mode, went back into the Aperture automatic.
The review I read here, of course, and am aware that the manual settings are not well resolved. But it must be possible to set a fixed exposure value without readjusts the camera with the time, the aperture or the gain. At the store I do not succeeded.
What have I done wrong or is it really not?
Thank you.
VG
Doc
Antwort von domain:
It's not actually. That is unavoidable.
Antwort von Dok:
Hello,
damn. This is bitter. The only question is why the device is then evaluated across so well? For anyone who wants to work seriously so that is indeed intolerable. Thanks for the info.
VG
Doc
Antwort von domain:
For a serious work, the entire class of camera, at ¬ 500 - in any case is not suitable, but rather amateurmäßiges for carefree shooting.
If you want to work seriously, then you have approximately five times on the table to create a useful tool to obtain.
This is different then, however, score significantly in many of the small Snap.
Antwort von Dok:
Hello,
basically because you have right. Synonymous but there are cases in which strikes anything other than an obvious tourist camera. Namely, if you want to film disguised as a tourist, where they would get a professional never or only under a shooting permit requirements. And that's exactly why I need a camera, after "looks like nothing." Nevertheless, I expect to be able to use this tool as professionally as possible. JVC's wrong with the way a lot. Especially the image quality just synonymous with inferior lighting situations is in order. With the limitations in the handling, I could live. The castration of the manual functions are not.
Now one or the other will say that the one in this price range can not exactly expect. But that's what I do not agree.
So 10 years ago, when IT was the measure of all things (;) at Semiprofis amateurs and because all Manufacturers still built cameras, which are allowed to set everything manual. Since that time there was always a genuine accessory shoe. Most Watched have microphone inputs and headphone jacks. And they all had a viewfinder
and a display. I recall DV-minis such as the SonyPC100. But synonymous cheaper devices, such as the PC5 were all that wanted the serious user. I once had a cheap D8-camera, even when ordered to stop all manual. The focus ring s.Lens has not been lacking. As I said, I am speaking of cameras's infantry.
Today, there are in the amateur class almost exclusively cheap plastic pile without accessory shoe, without the major audio ports, without focus ring, without viewfinder and no manual settings. And to me as eternal yesterday just does not work in my head why Sony, Canon, Panasonic and JVC with progression of technological development is no longer in a position are important options that were standard in the past to implement in the current devices. Already the most basic lack of accessory shoe is a joke. Most devices are anything but bright. Nevertheless, I can not even sit on a head light up. Instead, there is a measly LED Funzel with 30 cm range. I do not laugh.
With a SonyPC 5 (; ¬ 500 class) I seriously rotated 10 years ago. And this material has been sent. I keep my money earned.
Today, it seems in this class to be only scrap.
So that had to get away now, sorry.
Regards
Doc
Antwort von domain:
You're right, but the missing link in the form of the JVC GY-HM100 there already, if synonymous still too expensive.
Apart from that I can count the situations with my FX1 and HC1 of the former with their AE Locktaste s.einer hand, when I used a fully manual setting, and I will certainly not with the recording was satisfied.
Typical case example: a dome vertical zoom up into the sky. So the exposure fixed at the bottom and then hinaufgeschwenkt. Score impossible, because completely outshines the sky. Since I am a gentle readjustment of automation and also still prefer this behavior is pretty ingrained in our habits of seeing and also the eye with the pupil aperture indeed makes it synonymous.
One, two cases were, however, already know where I'd better fix the exposure, because the automatic transmission in the extremely varying lighting conditions has really pumped, but that was still to get over in the sum and insignificant. The important thing is usually only a fixed shutter speed with auto aperture of 1 / 25 to 1 / 100.
Incidentally, the HD30/40 still has a really massive accessory shoe.
http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=everiohd401.jpg
Antwort von Dok:
Hello,
well, through time and again I make a horizontal rotation about a landscape. Then pushes itself into the picture once a mountain or a forest and suddenly the background is just not as bright as the latest and pumps it, and always will be our eyes and brain get used. It just disturbs only.
Or I am in with a herd of white cows, and then runs an animal so close in front of the lens through the picture, but it disappeared just as quickly as it appeared. Suddenly, everything was white, according to the automatic controls, then the white is gone, the automatic controls by again. It just looks terrible. The short Overexposure, however, I feel as much verschmerzbarer. These or similar situations, I have not as rare as it would not bother me.
The HM100 may be apart from the price might really what I want. Especially since you can dismantle the handle and the lens hood and then the part is just still small and inconspicuous.
Regards
Doc
Antwort von actaion:
So my cam has cost 299 ¬, and has both a hot shoe as one synonymous viewfinder, manual exposure as synonymous ... * yah *
Where you have to honestly say that the viewfinder is really great, I udn I've been annoyed about that one time, Aperture and can not be set separately, but only exposure, the total manual control (; with one of the Aperture/Zeit.- distribution or use programs can be influential through motif).
Abe Rimmer still better than not being able to influence exposure. So that I find much blatant that does not even go! The JVC HD30 yes no cam is now synonymous the lowest class, udn JVC nothing new in video area. Thus, an "error" is still really painful, I can not imagine that that it was intentional.
Is it synonymous nonsense to claim that everything under 2000 ¬ would anyway only for bloody amateurs who want draufhalten automatically simple with only thought.
Antwort von actaion:
You should take a vielleich the SonyHDR-UX7 mal Watch, which is priced in the range of the HD30, is synonymous HD, and has but following this:
- Manual intervention options
- Finder
- Accessory Shoe
- Micro-entrance
- Night-shot
- Optical stabilizer
So we got everything we need so ...
Antwort von Yerri:
Anyone who still buys a DVD camera? The remainders are just peddling cheap, and it has with these devices.
Antwort von domain:
angry about it ......... did that one time, Aperture and can not be set separately, but only exposure, the total manual control (; with one of the Aperture / Zeit. distribution or via the subject programs ... It is only one point, one can lock the exposure or not? Miscellaneous influence possibilities, + -, as well as time-or shutter priority, or scene modes, the HD30 just like any other course Billigkamera synonymous.
But this shortcoming, typical of JVC, incidentally, that something is screwed up or forgotten, is of course very annoying.
I do not miss it especially because I already use the camera only as a small travel camera, but I can understand that some people on the missing feature is disappointed.
Antwort von Harald_123:
angry about it ......... did that one time, Aperture and can not be set separately, but only exposure, the total manual control (; with one of the Aperture / Zeit. distribution or via the subject programs ...
It is only one point, one can lock the exposure or not?
...
But this shortcoming, ... Is of course very annoying. ? But it's too far! ?
The exposure is similar to lure "as with the GZ-HD7. See Page 28 of the manual for HD30:
"To ensure the exposure
Hold the adjustment lever after the
Setting configuration than 2 seconds. The display
L is displayed. "
Antwort von domain:
So on Page 28 in my manual is about something else, namely the image displayed on the TV and synonymous throughout the rest of the manual, there is no evidence of this feature text.
But thanks for the tip, because you can actually fix the exposure, but only in Punktbelichtungsmessmodus that one, but only time can be synonymous. Then I would never come of itself.
If you press the stick in this mode for 2 seconds, an L appears in the display and the exposure is fixed.
So, this criticism s.der Camera must be withdrawn well synonymous if the fixation is possible only in an unusual measurement mode ..
In general, the operating concept of the camera is so complex and illogical that one before use every now and then should work out until the winding paths, and menu functions of the joystick and the other buttons sit again :-)
Antwort von Harald_123:
I am currently based on the operating instructions supplied with www.jvc.de HD30:
http://de.jvc-service.net/public/document.cfm?prog=InstrBook.cfm&Model=GZ-HD30
Other versions may have a different structure.
There is, as I understand it, not only to the point exposure mode.
At the GZ-HD7 but it is actually easier -> just a keystroke.
Antwort von domain:
This PDF document is in fact much more extensive than my manual. But what was mar. Fixation is described only refers to the photo mode.
After all, we are now indirectly draufgekommen how the exposure can be synonymous fixed in video mode, although that is not described :-)
I just wonder who is using this point measurement at all. While you can (should be fixed in three positions, of course, only on the Joystik who hereby once again another special function) and at the left, center and right, but I wonder who can really deal with it because the point of exposure already heard some experience to where to send the small measuring field prior to fixation at all.
Antwort von Harald_123:
Although it may seem textually different, they should get the indication on the video - and the photo mode. (; Is similarly worded as in the GZ-HD7, and where both modes are supported.)
Antwort von domain:
Plus a total of minus correction for exposure, an aperture for aperture priority, shutter priority for some time, everything can be fixed with a push of the joystick, the last two things but not common. It sounds a tone and the faded script is displayed in bold, but all without the "L" Lock "icon for what is logically synonymous, because in all cases, some work some kind of automatic exposure control and the next is synonymous with the team during the test uncomfortable Slashcam noticed.
But it's really about the "freezing", ie the locks of each exposure for an entire scene, and that this is at all possible, we have been doubted.
But it works: press joystick twice to the top, push the measure over small red framed measuring field and stick, it appears the letter L and nothing changed more. But is really only interesting for already existing or future owners of this series. If you wish, you may even see this method as an advantage because you can focus the limited measurement field in front of exactly the same Studio bildwichtigen parts.
Antwort von Nathanjo:
Hello, I thought I open a new topic here, but ask for time:
Is now the de facto Entstand? I have read in several tests that all the manual settings are available and this is the first time that I read that Aperture and shutter are not (to say;) except through this trick. All wrong?
Also: Is the HD30 an outdated model? A while ago it was a lot cheaper than currently, and I think waiting to see if they will be cheaper again - what would be meaningless if nurnoch be sold stocks.
Antwort von domain:
Will no longer be cheaper to the contrary.
This is the final score and it is useful. Who makes full manual settings, which would be the state of the art 50 years ago, which quickly goes dead wrong.
You choose the selective measurement field, straighten it out on bildwichtige partitions fixierst it and make trial recordings.
Even with the FX1, or HC1, I've never done purely manual Belichtungseinsttellungen, but only slight corrections aware of it.
Antwort von Nathanjo:
Unless you have 2 different settings to turn s.der same place with the same settings will be filmed. Since the measurement is not likely to deliver the same result. But now is theory and speculation, am not a professional. All in all, this sounds logical.
Tjo, then it would be very interesting for me, it would be as cheap as recently. Since it was 450, according to price trend idealo.de. So, a discontinued model that is no longer cheaper. Too bad. That would probably have been the only cam that would have met all my requirements.
