Frage von Ivy:
Hallo ihr Lieben!
Um, I'm looking for a good and cheap (up to 150 euros) Micro, which is suitable both for sound recordings Handycam (Panasonic NV-GS280) as synonymous to quality offers for radio play and music recordings. Can include sensitive means that it must include both space sounds as synonymous, and be particularly suitable for direct noise-clean and pure ....
What do you say? ;-)
Lg,
Ivy
Antwort von Ralf Kriegsmann:
Um, we're flabbergasted!
Antwort von marmor78:
The Allroundmikro it simply does not exist. There is already a plethora of different types of microphones, which are each more or less suitable for the intended application;
Provides for the O-sound reduction in a shotgun, which is maintained, ideally s.einer Angel, for example, the T-Bone EM9600
http://www.thomann.de/de/the_tbone_em_9600.htm ; Das kann with einer 1,5 Volt Mignonbatterie versorgt werden, so daß der Camcorders keine Phantomspeistung mitbringen muß.
Zum Einsprechen eignet es sich (bedingt) synonymous, dann aber bitte with aufgestecktem Poppschutz, der wird mitgeliefert.
Für Atmo (Raumschall) Aufnahmen sollte eine Stereoanordnung verwendet werden; dabei sind gute Kondensatormikrofone für niedriges Noise and einen brillianten Klang unabdingbar. Ich habe gute Erfahrungen with einem Pärchen Beyerdynamic MCE530 gemacht
http://www.thomann.de/de/beyerdynamic_mce530_stereoset.htm; But that needs phantom power and therefore a separate mixer or an additional cassette who brings it.
Stereo microphone for Atmos with its own battery supply via gibts course, synonymous, eg at Thomann
Antwort von Ivy:
Many thanks for the competent help! The most interesting seems to me the t.bone EM 9600 Micro to be (not least because it is so cheap). Can you tell me now say,
1.) whether the replace with a battery can operate with one battery?
2.) how long Battery / Battery last?
3.) whether there exists a stand?
and 4.) how much is enough, do you mean, how far away someone say what needs to ensure that the Micro is so recorded that you can use it?
Again many thanks and see you soon,
Ivy
Antwort von Ivy:
Where I am in the process:
What is phantom power?
Lg,
Ivy
Antwort von steveb:
Simply said, the flow is of external, eg of a mixer.
So (in the rule) without its own power supply.
guckst du hier:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantomspeisung
Antwort von marmor78:
1.) whether the replace with a battery can operate with one battery? Yes, you can, which I advise, however. Batteries have are appropriate for consumers that require high power consumption (Digicam, model car), since they would have a high self-use in their consumers with less power consumption (remote control, clock, this microcode synonymous) are not very useful, since after 2 weeks be recharged without service again should. Ultimately Batteries come here are more expensive and complicated.
2.) how long Battery / Battery last? Alkaline hold good in the Micro as approximately 2 years, depending on the frequency of use.
3.) whether there exists a stand? Yes, it can be used any microphone stand, but one must then Mikroklemme be newly introduced. The Bundled unfortunately no standard micro-thread. ;-(
Commonplace in film, it is a shotgun Micro Angel s.einer cause by the Assistant Engineer (with headphones of course) the sound source / the actor nachführt
http://www.moviecollege.de/filmschule/ton/ton_angeln.htmEine brauchbare Angel findest du hier:
http://www.thomann.de/de/km_23760_mikro_angel.htm Or do you procure a broomstick from the hardware store.
and 4.) how much is enough, do you mean, how far away someone say what needs to ensure that the Micro is so recorded that you can use it? Each of which depends from the geographic area, the radius of the Hall of Space; Has the space highly reflective walls, it is reverberant, the Micro has more s.The sound source up to include more direct sound. Headphones for verification is essential to include not only the balance amount of reverb, but focus specifically on the micro synonymous to the sound source to be able to. The shotgun is not a "lens" is incorrectly assumed to be happy, it only attenuates laterally incident sound, so this will contribute less to the (Micro a result, the next path of the sound source).
Laterally damped the Micro, but to different degrees depending on the frequency, ie it is not exactly aligned, the recording is dull. Therefore, strictly controlled during the recording with a head phones.
Gruß, Martin
Antwort von Pimmelpirat:
Halli Ivy
an amazingly good microphone for surprisingly little money
to get here:
http://www.ohrwurmaudio.de/
It can be like any other Micro synonymous to
one tripod mount.
There are two things to note, however:
1.
The camcorder should have a supply voltage of
the micro-connector supply
2.
Must be filmed on Battery (if the camcorder
s.Netzteil hangs buzzing with Micro terrible).
Gruss
ph
Antwort von Markus:
1.) whether the replace with a battery can operate with one battery? An AA or Micro cell produces 1.5 volts, an equivalent NiCd or NiMH battery, but only 1.2 volts. Some devices (eg remote controls) do not run with it, or only very poorly or not for long.
I previously had a Hama RMZ-10 (directional microphone) and there came in a 1.5 V AA cell. Although I have (the battery of time to time, much too often) changed, but differences in the sound quality was not thereby discern.
Antwort von Pimmelpirat:
an amazingly good microphone for surprisingly little money
to get here:
http://www.ohrwurmaudio.de/ I have an artificial head synonymous System of OMC. This is a fine thing for Atmos and sometimes synonymous for scenic work. But the mics are still omnidirectional. This is similar sensitivity in all directions.
That may sound like good, in practice it is rarely desirable, as it so very much synonymous with surround sound gets to the recording.
The best possible number of microphones with different characteristics, and practice a lot of / read about miking.
For experts: www.sengpielaudio.com
Never say die!
Antwort von Ivy:
Hi!
A microphone in the ear? Sounds somehow now erstmal n bit funny ... (
Antwort von Babbo:
I ordered the earwig Mic synonymous, but am still not happy with it, because it has a very high average noise level, I think.
If I want to make recordings around, although you can hear the birds chirping, etc., but stop on "FFFFFFFFFFFFFF" all the time in the background ..
Has the Micro s.sich just so, or can I change somehow?
Antwort von Ivy:
There are two things to note, however:
2.
Must be filmed on Battery (if the camcorder
s.Netzteil hangs buzzing with Micro terrible). Hi!
Have you tried the schonmal? Battery on one film, I mean?
Lg,
Ivy
Antwort von Axel:
I ordered the earwig Mic synonymous, but am still not happy with it, because it has a very high average noise level, I think.
If I want to make recordings around, although you can hear the birds chirping, etc., but stop on "FFFFFFFFFFFFFF" all the time in the background ..
Has the Micro s.sich just so, or can I change somehow? It has - cheap - Micro s.sich so. Since it has no frequency adaptation (one could call it an adjustable bandpass filter, which at present - very expensive - art heads is) For instance, in birds, the resonances of the ever-present environmental noise increased so extreme that it comes to FFFFF. This is comparable with the influence of the sea noise when one listens in a shell casing. The auditory center is focused on the "Nothing turns" and the level so that you can hear a noise. In a normal listening situation are such interference frequencies of our brain automatically filtered out.
At Wikipedia you can read, why did you only earphones with a correct spatial impression:
"One can thus produced binaural sound as" space out "only when using a headset. Playback over loudspeakers makes no spatial impression, but just a little" hollow "sounding stereo effect. The attempt to artificial head recordings with a diffuse-art head synonymous for Speakers explain Play compatible, is because of sonic weaknesses have not been adopted. "
Antwort von ruessel:
[list = ch] did me the earwig Mic synonymous appointed, but am still not happy with it, because it has a very high average noise level, I think.
Hmmm .... the catchy song has a SNR of 60dB minimum at 2 volts operating voltage (the higher the voltage the better), which meets most of microphones in the 300 Euro class. Most rushing but the microphone amplifier of the camera much more than the earwig. Just plug-times a dead time into the microphone jack and listen through headphones the background noise. One (amateur) Camera's just not a professional audio recording device. But in normal operation (eg natural outdoor sounds) should be the catchy song perfectly synonymous s.einer HC1 or similar. run without the hassle warnehmbares Noise. Many producers use the catchy radio play even s.hochwertigen or WAVE DAT recorder and are completely satisfied. Meanwhile, the earwig (for atmosphere) was used in a motion picture synonymous. The earwig is about 5 times louder than the Micro's built-in features of the HC1 and of 20-20000Hz an absolutely linear. Thus succeed without problems with a fantastic high-quality music recordings and localization with a little trick, even nearly 5.1 surround recordings.
A Sony HC1 is a true electric power station shall, in addition to the power supply and an HC1 is the higher level control, you can hear a faint network where synonymous Buzz (50Hz ).... scatters the power adapter into the camera a while there a sound filter (LPF) p. 400 Hz strongly absorbs everything, or the Freqenzgang greatly curtailed. When still a catchy tune comes with its thin cord s.The microphone jack, the cable acts like an antenna, and it hums .... that's just the disadvantage of a tone-unbalanced, with XLR cable connection would not have happened ;-)
But who filmed it seriously connected with power supply and after a tow cable matter? Nevertheless, those who cope with the earwig does not come, who can exchange them at any time with me. [/ list: u: 91633f4787]
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Antwort von Ivy:
Hi Ruessel!
So I am not in principle opposed to the micro-catchy. But what remains unclear in some way derm homepage is at what types of cameras s.der synonymous microphone jack, the power supply of 1.65 is applied to 10 volts?
I have ordered a Panasonic NV-GS280, but has not yet received can not, therefore, look what exists there, but the Micro would like to order so that I do once the camera arrives, you can begin to turn. Hence my question: Do I need an adapter? If so, how do I get him? How expensive?
Lg,
Ivy
Antwort von ruessel:
So I am not in principle opposed to the micro-catchy. But what remains unclear in some way derm homepage is at what types of cameras s.der synonymous microphone jack, the power supply of 1.65 is applied to 10 volts? Yes, that's true. But I can not possibly try all the camcorder, so far I have received the following feedback of customers:
All Sony's work synonymous old Hi8. Almost every MD recorder with microphone input goes, one at Panasonic GS400 and GS500 is one then not work again. At Canon it is similar. Unfortunately, I usually only get feedback if something is not working and that was not often or usually referred to the GS500.
A small battery box with a 9 volt battery is in the Planning (Expanderbox), but it takes a little longer because of lack of time. This would then change the dynamics synonymous huge (hear example extensors with micro-ball). Also, a first test pattern with catchy 48Volt phantom power (XLR) runs H1 already s.der Canon. The unbalanced inputs of H1 are significantly worse (SNR) ..... as s.der FX1 where only the XLR inputs make sense.
I can only offer to send the account to be catchy and if it does not work or is not satisfactory, just with invoice back s.mich and good it is ..... then cost only once the return postage.
Antwort von Mr. Eko:
Hi,
again with respect to noise and hum of the earwig:
1.
Test s.Sony camcorder TRV-20 and TRV 900 in battery mode.
The cable of the earwig is about 15 m
With a two-pole, shielded microphone cable extension:
Very substantial increase in the volume level compared to the
built-in microphone. Very transparent sound. Any noticeable
Noise or other extraneous noise. The directivity
I've tested so far not yet been inspected.
2.
As 1, but with power supply operation: Strong hum
makes the recording unusable. For me
This is a certain drawback, as I sometimes longer
Stage performances via (Tripod and) Camcorder display
film and the display is well known, like some
s.Strom eats.
Gruss
ph
Antwort von ruessel:
The cable of the earwig is about 15 m
With a two-pole, shielded microphone cable extension And that works for stage performances? I'm surprised, usually do there dimmers or sim. large electricity consumers in this track is always a 50 Hz hum and only truly symmetrical cables are the solution.
The earwig is indeed shielded cable, but extremely thin so it does not pull its own weight the earwig from the ears. And is described as the Sony adapter s.streuen scary, even to the camera in. (softly). A simple solution for that I still have not found ..... maybe it will help very much the power of positioning the camera on. I'll test it once on the occasion itself.
Antwort von Markus:
The cable of the earwig is about 15 m
With a two-pole, shielded microphone cable extension Not only 50 Hz AC hum begins to be like (and you) could easily filter out the postpro yes, but synonymous radio stations of all kinds
Learn More:
Balanced and unbalanced mic signals
Antwort von Ivy:
Hi Ruessel!
So I wait until the erstmal da Camera (is since I'm already so my worries ....). Then I'll look in the manual and my ggf order one of your mics. And either way - I'll write, pointing works ...
How about because if you all people to whom you sold the Micro, even write and ask them if they would be so kind as to report to you whether and if so how the micro works? Then you could make a table on your hp, are listed in the experience in the use of different camera types.
Or is it too much you kundenbelästigend?
Lg,
Ivy
Antwort von ruessel:
Or is it too much you kundenbelästigend? The earwig was really only useful for the HC1, with the original because I was so dissatisfied with Sennheiser and Co and I only record in mono, that does not somehow fit into a HighDef movie! That the earwig synonymous s.andere cameras or devices is a nice side-effect fits ..... I guess 95% of buyers use the earwig earwig s.der HC1 and Fx1, followed by the Panasonic GS 400 and then the rest ..
Antwort von prem:
The cable of the earwig is about 15 m
With a two-pole, shielded microphone cable extension
And that works for stage performances? It is a simple Brettl stage without complex lighting and other equipment.
However, I have not yet been tested under real conditions.
Whenever the opportunity arises, I will report afterwards times.
Gruss
ph
Antwort von Ivy:
Hi!
So I had to dig up this thread again. Although I have now - finally - my camera but unfortunately still no Micro, which results in light of the fact that the next turn date is already in a month, is proving to be particularly disastrous. Despite the noise, I'm not averse to the micro-catchy as before, but I'm worried that it might work, since, for the NV-GS500, which is the direct successor of my NV-GS280, just does
not work. In manual unfortunately I can not find details about s.Mikrofoneingang about the tension, only the sensitivity, which btw is-50db.
I need a micro that one just needs to keep an extra and is not mobile because I have at the next small production sound mixer not there. What do you this?
Lg,
Ivy
Antwort von Ivy:
Hi!
People, now let's not hang me yet ... ;-)
Lg,
Ivy
Antwort von Markus:
Hi Ivy,
I think your plan is tantamount to a close compromise. For recordings from the camcorder from the direct and clean and pure, I would take a directional microphone (mono!), But recorded music phone with a micro surround sound (stereo).
As an inexpensive directional microphone, I think the Hama RMZ-10 is not bad, though synonymous views may differ about it. Perhaps an alternative would be synonymous of the VideoMic Røde interesting?
Antwort von Ivy:
I would I take directional microphone (mono!), But recorded music phone with a micro surround sound (stereo). Hi Mark!
But wait: My NV-GS280 has only nen mono connection, right? The manual is this - nothing. Just as the tension s.der micro-jack is unspecified. Enteweder I am a Depp or the manual is a.
Lg,
Ivy
Antwort von oliver II:
Hello Ivy!
That's what I found in the manual:
Microphone Input: Microphone Sensitivity -50 dB (0 dB = 1 V / Pa,
1 kHz)
(Stereo mini jack)
Reads quite to stereo, right?
Antwort von Ivy:
Hi!
Jo, I then found still synonymous. Problem: No Small Manufacturer of the normal microphone jack is stereo. So it is time for a very traditional Verarsche of Panasonic. All Minijack of Rode microphones, Hama, Sennheiser, etc., are mono. One can therefore probably only of the Micro Pana direct order, I could disengage.
I was with Saturn, then at Media Markt, then at Mediamax and then a half-hour hotline of Saturn. Since in the "Technical Information", which at the Panasonic manuals are more than laughable, it is only to be found of OliverII Instruments, can be found None of it, whether other microphones could fit synonymous.
Overall, you can only say penalized in the grand style, both as synonymous for the Panasonic NV-GS280EG-S. Should I still come to a Micro, for which I am now looking for 3 months, I call again.
Hach and then I'll do my times on the way to the Panasonic helpline. How beautiful, how beautiful.
Lg,
Ivy
Antwort von Ivy:
So, therefore, gradually reaching the whole grotesque. Panasonic offers a microphone that works: The VW VMS2. The time has just cost 105 euros and is the quality of her - if there's the reviews from other faith - more than modest.
Came to the question that the Micro was not all seriousness, I suppose the only thing that would work s.der NV-GS280, the answer: "Yes, I know nothing about third-party." Nice that she knows nothing.
But a tiny little thing bothers me still s.der unbridled contempt for Panasonic: In this forum, but has so many of the NV-GS280. And many still use a micro phone certainly synonymous dafür.m Question: Have you all the VW-VMS2, or what? Surely not. How can that be?
Lg,
Ivy
Antwort von steveb:
I have a Micro "brand-something" in stereo. This has had only two separate mono. I've brought them together via adapter, but it's not really a good mono dolle ... rather than a bad stereo ....
Antwort von iLios:
The cable of the earwig is about 15 m
With a two-pole, shielded microphone cable extension
Not only 50 Hz AC hum begins to be like (and you) could easily filter out the postpro yes, but synonymous radio stations of all kinds
Learn More:
Balanced and unbalanced mic signals I can confirm that.
The drone, we have gone through, we put one end of a cable with a metal plug into the contact spring attached to a wall outlet and the other end with a thin wire s.einer Tragegurtmetallöse the camera.
There remains the problem of radio stations. ;-)
Throughout the days included meetings with lasting battery power is not very practical. The provisional arrangement with the cable outlet s.der course, not synonymous.
Otherwise, the catchy song is already great! There are now perhaps a solution to the problem? After all, this thread is still from last year, and perhaps has even been in the development done something.
LG - Ilios
Antwort von thos-berlin:
There are Monacor of an adapter that makes a balanced microphone signals via isolation transformer asymmetrical. If you einschleift the close s.der Camera in the signaling pathway, one would have long Mikrofonmkabel between micro and the adapter hum manage it. Unfortunately, the part itself has a large 6.3 mm jack connector and can not be plugged directly into the camera.
The microphone must of course be either dynamic, or Elektretmirko with Battery.
Maybe you can help
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