Frage von Asjoker:
Hi,
I got me a long time now about camcorder inquired understand but still not really much. So I am only successful entry into the theme ....
I've said time after time issues get the most MiniDV format was the best. That is,
the quality of tape is the best of all (in the consumer sector). And even if I do Digitizing is better than of hard drive, DVD or memory cards.
Question: OR? ^ ^ I've nähmlich a little rumgeschaut for Canon HV20 and SonyHDR-HC7, so what is better. And as I said in nem forum HV20 times've read through the posts, I often read something like:
The Bandle would have gone, then they would again have been a bit more interesting. And it says so in turn the tape (MiniDV) is
bad? So what now? ^ ^
My what is good, synonymous after digitalis, which is good to edit and in good quality?
I just want to really be sure whether the Canon HV20 really the best choice in the consumer field.
Were thankful for every answer:) [/ code]
Antwort von ronsei:
HDD and card are at least equal, but of course it depends of the camera and not by the media.
Antwort von wechselchor:
and of the format (AVCHD, etc.) I thought ^ ^
Antwort von Markus73:
HDD and card are at least equal, but of course it depends of the camera and not by the media. Did not even seem long enough and intensively worked ;-)
To the questioner:
It depends primarily on synonymous recorded format from: The "Mini-DV," says the device is usually used in standard resolution and work on those tapes to record. In this area, I would say the statement "MiniDV is the best system" is right.
Regardless of which there are high resolution systems (currently two, HDV and AVCHD) of which the first also uses MiniDV, the second not. There are completely different laws (because other recording formats) and everything in general on MiniDV cassettes are told, is not necessarily true here synonymous, because a different recording format is used.
Gruß,
Markus
Antwort von Asjoker:
Achso ...
Yes AVCHD I do not want, no desire for the whole problem ...
But then what is the best for HDV format? Or are all the same? So what is the quality s.ehersten receive and what can be best (After Effects) work?
Antwort von Markus73:
But then what is the best for HDV format? HDV
is a format. If you've decided to HDV, then there's nothing left to choose.
Standard Gibts resolution in DV format on Mini-DV tape or as MPEG2 on hard drive, DVD or memory card.
HDV is always on Mini-DV tape will be compressed in MPEG2 high Resolutionals recorded.
Gruß,
Markus
Antwort von Asjoker:
Ah, true ...
Had format storage media with incidentally confused ^ ^
Yes ok, if the imemr on tape must be saved, I garnicht rumschlagen so great ^ ^
That is still good quality or? I can REALLY my play or HDTV? Will only be sure when the best HDV tape recording medium (Have heard somewhere that it rarely synonymous to memory or hard drive can be saved)
What is really with the tape, as are the expensive? And how often do I have to play that good quality still remains the same? If I use my cassette costs 5 ¬ and I only play once it must ensure that no loss of quality is yes I've NEN pile s.Kosten ... da würd ich mir ja das filming almost resist ^ ^
Actually, I would be synonymous with the only answer to this crucial satisfied:
Is the HV20 camcorder is the best in the consumer area? However denk ich nich so you can easily answer ^ ^
Antwort von Markus73:
That is still good quality or? I can REALLY my play or HDTV? Of course, otherwise it would not HDV hot ;-)
just want to be sure when the best HDV tape recording medium are Again, you have no choice, IS HDV tape, see eg
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Definition_Video
What is really with the tape, as are the expensive? And how often do I have to play that good quality still remains the same? Usual mini-DV cassettes, s.ca. EUR 2 per piece. Dubbing: Most people use them only once, because they're so cheap and so are the original material in the same cabinet synonymous remains archived. A few times on play is critical. Since the recording is digital, it changes the quality is not as long until the recording of errors and dropouts will be (at least s.dieser point) more or less unusable.
Is the HV20 camcorder is the best in the consumer area?
However denk ich nich so you can easily answer ^ ^ :-) Good detected a bad choice, at least he is not. First you should clear your times if you want HD / need.
Gruß,
Markus
Antwort von wechselchor:
The wear of the cassettes you do not need to make sure that there is but that you notice nothing.
The HR 20 is not the best MMN ccorder in the consumer area!
The Consumer area cams summarizes how the canon of XM2 with YOU!
Also in the price range of up to ¬ 1500 can I find disk with cams and a better map because I've kasettenallergie. And virtually all are my views.
I will probably ne me HD7 buy because looks professional and is.
From Sony Is there good but synonymous with disk-like cams sr1-8 have the hd synonymous and the AVCHD format. When you Sonybist well advised if you have a
good overall performance and will have many features (SlowMotion, touchscreen, NIGHTSHOT.) sony For there is a big minus because of the bad memory stick.
If you have a camera with a semiprof. touch want then take the HD7, in my eyes is the proplem of einziege Image Stabilization otherwise mental - geniales teil. The case points to any good pictures and is easy and challenging to use.
About Canon I do not know so much, nurmal had problems with the company at a serious error in my camera and am with the bad service has been confronted - since niewieder!
My advice get miniDV no longer prefer the SRX of sony or any of JVC HD7.
Greeting
alternate choir [/ code]
Antwort von wechselchor:
AVCHD beteutet but not identical problems. Meanwhile, many programs support AVCHD. And the JVC HDV format can then be attached with software to convert into mpeg2 and with each cut program edited.
Antwort von Daigoro:
... many features (SlowMotion, touchscreen, NIGHTSHOT.) Touch screen is not a feature, but a disease.
Antwort von Markus73:
... many features (SlowMotion, touchscreen, NIGHTSHOT.)
Touch screen is not a feature, but a disease. Under Write! In the shop I sowas times for 5 minutes then tried and decided that my first and last contact that was :-)
Gruß,
Markus
Antwort von Asjoker:
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Antwort von beiti:
That is, the quality of tape is the best of all (in the consumer sector). And even if I do Digitizing is better than of hard drive, DVD or memory cards. For the sake of completeness one should still clearly indicate that the DV tape or HDV tape not be "digitized" to be, since it is already digital data. This data is used when capturing 1:1 without loss of quality to the hard drive of your computer over.
If the DV camcorder - in, you can even justify the film again without loss on a tape played back (vszur archiving).
Theoretically, the file nothing with the recording system. Many filmmakers today would wish that there was DV - or HDV camcorders, which are no longer on tape, but to save hard drive. There's unfortunately not.
While there are external hard disk recorder that can s.einen DV - or HDV camcorder can connect (which would be demonstrated that this form of recording is technically possible), but the numbers are low because much too expensive (and cumbersome in practice, because the recorder is always extra cabled device must have it).
The tape is from today's perspective, no longer the ideal medium. Among the systemic disadvantages include the real-time capturing (ie the film into the computer to get, you have the movie in real time to restore the - of a hard drive it could be faster or immediate access). Another disadvantage of the tape recording are "dropouts", which is a short band interference due to faulty tapes and / or drives, which is then a single or even a few pictures visible damage. Unlike hard disks and memory cards, where an effective error correction is applied, the tape runs linearly through, so that a faulty body can be read again. How many dropouts occur, is difficult to predict. On my old Canon camcorder with Panasonic tapes I had about 1 per hour, which is in the amateur field is not tragic (1 hours of recording is used, on average, then yes, perhaps only 15 minutes or less). If every few years really is an ugly Dropout, can be used to distress the band again with purified body, or other camcorder and play the frames in the editing program exchange, since it is rarely necessary, you can live with it. But if there is no more dropouts, there would, it would still beautiful.
For filmmakers, the wide tape, however, an enormous advantage: It offers a lot of space for little money. Who longer with the camcorder is on, you need (other than hard disks and memory cards, film) does not cache. Also the long-term archiving of material is recorded on DV tape unrivaled cheap, why the tapes usually recorded only once synonymous. A 60-cartridge costs about 2 euros and includes around 13 GB s.Daten (no preference whether or not DV or HDV - HDV is just more compressed).
So it stands today as a filmmaker before a stupid choice, particularly in the SD area:
Either buy a HDD camcorder, which the band bypasses problems, then you have but with a more compressed and not ideal cuttable recording process (usually MPEG2) live, simply because the manufacturer no HDD camcorder built in DV record. When simple Playing like the quality was not great, but who makes extensive post processing (eg color) with this procedure has no quality reserves; compression artifacts are then clearly visible.
Or one buys a kassettenbasierten DV camcorder, the best starting material for the average returns, but with the systemic disadvantages of the band must live.
Under current state of technology, I believe (like many filmmakers) the tape with DV recording is still the better choice. This is not a love for the band recording, but an aversion to cutting with SD MPEG2 as starting material.
In the HD area is our spirit, that you only choose between tape + MPEG2 (HDV) and hard drive + MPEG4 (AVCHD) decides. MPEG2 is synonymous here, of course not ideal, but compared to MPEG4, so to speak, the small
Antwort von Markus73:
1)
Why should I not HD MiniDV camcorder to buy? How should we know? Because you do not need, for example? My question above should read: Do you need an HD format (ie high resolution) or PAL standard ranges?
HDV has the same quality but less and requirements Compared with what?
How well must now be my new PC to play AVCHD without problems and with Adobe After Effects (AE keien if AVCHD has issues with) to edit? As good as you can get him and he is still too slow.
Can I easily and AVCHD without visible loss of quality in HDV format? What sense should have?
If the quality of HDV on MiniDV cassettes are not better than AVCHD to hard drive / memory card and DVD? No clue. AVCHD dominated higher resolution than HDV, but too big differences, I would not expect. You confuse me still believe the standard resolution (where mini-DV is the best system) with the high resolution systems, where it is no longer valid.
Why are all always on MiniDV tapes? Sometimes I hear this should be the best and at times I hear something like "Would that Bandle away, it would be interesting" or whatever. Why? again: For standard-Pal Mini DV Resolutionist good, because it is very weakly compressed in DV format recording. HDV uses synonymous mini DV tapes, but is ALWAYS compressed as MPEG2 on. Hence the two procedures are not strictly comparable.
MiniDV tapes - is good and HDV tapes are in the best quality at the No, seven ahead, the "best quality" is only valid for PAL systems. When HDV is MPEG-compressed recording, so not really ideal for finishing, but not otherwise.
Gruß,
Markus
Antwort von Asjoker:
Hmmm ... Hamas shop now, I'm totally desperate ^ ^
'm Now slowly but an SD camcorder to buy ....
K but first:
1)
HDV (as synonymous AVCHD) is
not particularly useful for editing (changing colors, special effects like slow motion, or pixel shifts)
suitable? It would go in, but you clearly see the quality loss, making it on a normal television / computer even worse than normal DV or material?
AVCHD so I wanted to convert HDV HDV because it does not have high system requirements and is still better to edit than AVCHD.
And I could HDV synonymous but without loss of quality in DV format. Thus, the quality as good as if I have it immediately with an SD camcorder (the same price class) would have added - correct?
2)
So at the moment, I need NO HDV but I just wanted to make sure I do not regret it later
(Some say HDV is not mature and worse than SD-SD and prefer to take the others say HDV DV kannste easy to make haste so no cons - only to later kannste synonymous HDV HDTV Television s.deinem see, so take HDV)
If I am honest, I have the difference between PAL and HDTV ever seen ^ ^ and me until I buy an HDTV television, it takes a little bit.
So if HDV with too many disadvantages brings (brings finishing with a loss of quality to HDV-transformed (in DV) looks bad, etc.)
then I would prefer to take SD. 3)
Draws an expensive SD camcorder for around the 1000 euro as a better quality on a HD camcorder at the same price range, if I connect the film to a PAL television s.Computer or watch? (Computers can not play or HDV? Or. Screw it down to auto DV ...)
4)
Abstract: A)
HDV
only on HDTV looks better on the computer or the television, it is normally
equal to or even worse than SD.
B)
HDV and AVCHD can not be used without any visible loss of quality editing.
C)
Ok now I had a nervous breakdown and understand garnicht more ...
Time HDV better times SD, on the one hand I think
"Purchase you an SD MiniDV camcorder, you've got anyway far no HDTV and all problems would disappear. You have a good camcorder with a super quality and can easily edit everything."
and secondly
"Purchase your HD camcorder, SD s.and dies slowly but soon would you buy an SD camcorder regret ... many thought they would be with their HV20 totally satisfied. Good Picture and everything ... you can be synonymous, the HDV loose material in DV convert if the picture quality on standard TVs so / computers is better. So you have an SD camcorder, which you sometime as HD camcorder can use. "
Other and and ....
Well I must first get clear head NEN ^ ^
I'll write again later ... thx to every instance!
Antwort von Daigoro:
"Purchase you an SD MiniDV camcorder, you've got anyway far no HDTV and all problems would disappear. You have a good camcorder with a super quality and can easily edit everything."
If you do not have HD Wiedergabegeraet (or buy in the near future), all you need (at least in my opinion) is not synonymous HD Aufnahmegeraet.
Panasonic 320 or 230 - relatively inexpensive (~ 400-500 euros) and with a supposedly good for SD quality.
When (if) you have in years 3-4-5-10 buy an HD Television, forcing you yes None, to keep the camera - at Ebay, there's always willing buyers.
And more expensive HD cameras tend not synonymous - to the contrary: In early times of MiniDV were hardly what's under the 1000 Euro/2000 Mark .. now s.200 and 400-500 for ne 'good quality' ...
Antwort von urmel:
HDV only on HDTV looks better on the computer or the television, it is normally equal to or even worse than SD. We can not let stand. The pictures of my HDV Canon HV20 TFT s.Computer see much better than the Panasonic DVX-100B and make synonymous HDTV TELEVISION s.nicht a good figure.
Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:
HDV (as synonymous AVCHD) is not particularly useful for editing (changing colors, special effects like slow motion, or pixel shifts) is capable. False, you need "only" a better stronger = Calculator.
It would go in, but you clearly see the quality loss, making it on a normal television / computer even worse than normal DV material. wrong
AVCHD so I wanted to convert HDV HDV because it does not have high system requirements and is still better to edit than AVCHD. Then something is compressed again compressed (MPEG4 -> MPEG2). A better way to convert HDV into uncompressed ... but as you get memory problems. Therefore, if perforce AVCHD, edit the.
And I could HDV synonymous but without loss of quality in DV format. Thus, the quality as good as if I have it immediately with an SD camcorder (the same price class) would have added - correct? Right, just as, or better, to come out. In this case, then you really need not HDV.
If I am honest, I have the difference between PAL and HDTV have never seen ... between SD and HDV. The right output device, it should happen naturally! By the way: look look at the BBC documentary "Planet Earth", but the normal SD-DVD! There are the statements of the producer was not bad, among other things, why have rotated in HD. And in this documentary you'll see the difference even on an old tube TV!
If you now say "on the PC monitor, I see no difference but synonymous", then you do not buy SD or HDV, but yellow with three black binders score :-)
So if HDV with too many disadvantages brings (brings finishing with a loss of quality to HDV-transformed (in DV) looks bad, etc.) Both wrong. HDV needs to post more power, but nowhere near as much as AVCHD. The (alleged) loss of quality is probably more theoretical and for people who are with the nose s.HD display and still stick with the magnifying glass view.
I even draw a year ago was barely in SD, almost only HD. I do synonymous postprocessing synonymous in HD and do many projects on normal DVDs. If the Project synonymous with HD desired, once a new render ...
HDV is standard on MiniDV tapes recorded.
BG
Andreas
Antwort von Markus73:
HDV (as synonymous AVCHD) is not particularly useful for editing (changing colors, special effects like slow motion, or pixel shifts) is capable.
False, you need "only" a better stronger = Calculator. Well, I would even argue that highly compressed material generally poorer conditions for a post as such brings with only faint Compression (see Comparison DVD-/Mini- DV recording at the standard PAL devices). Whether the theory or in fact is visible, it certainly depends very much of nature and extent of the post from.
Gruß,
Markus
Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:
Well, I would even argue that highly compressed material significantly poorer conditions for a post as such brings with only faint Compression (see Comparison DVD-/Mini- DV recording at the standard PAL devices). Whether the theory or in fact is visible, it certainly depends very much of nature and extent of the post from.
Gruß,
Markus Ok, misleading formulated: read more: s.besten is certainly capable of SD, followed of HDV. For HDV reaches a
relatively recent Calculator still good *), for AVCHD should be the top shelf into the processor to be plucked.
Even better would naturally uncompressed HD. Kommt halt depends on what one wants to spend :-))
BG
Andreas
*) At me rackert a Sempron 2800 +, with SonyVega Movie Studio is a very fast + liquid of the hand. Rendering of the final product will obviously take some time but, if necessary, the synonymous overnight.
Recently
happily uninstalled Pinnacle Studio 10 on the same calculator has not a single preview image without Jerkiness show.
Antwort von Markus73:
HDV only on HDTV looks better on the computer or the television, it is normally equal to or even worse than SD. Even more quickly as a complement to what has already been said:
A PC is able to display resolutions that far exceed the PAL standard. You can either HDV on an HDTV set or synonymous to the PC with appropriate software synonymous high-resolution display. Only on a conventional (old) Television does not work that way.
Gruß,
Markus
Antwort von beiti:
So another reason to despair this is definitely not. It is but just the choice of a camcorder with various advantages and disadvantages, not a cancer therapy, etc.
Quite practical tip the current state of technology (so I would do if I purchase now should be active):
I would be either a good DV camcorder or a good looking HDV camcorder. The 4:3 format, I would, since I have a big LCD Television did not want more. Since there are hardly any well-equipped 16:9 - DV models (ie those with all manual settings, microphone input, etc.), would be the choice for me to finally fall HDV.
My personal favorites would be Canon XH-A1 or HV20 (depending on your budget and intended use).
An HDV camcorder can be synonymous as a DV camcorder consider, in addition to the halt in HDV can hold.
I would decide for HDV, I'd synonymous in HDV mode (where I later in the material better Auflkösung need), but for today's cut in DV and then convert provisionally with existing hardware and software including DVD-cut burn.
The conversion of HDV to DV makes any HDV camcorder itself. So you can record in HDV, but s.Firewire output for capturing DV output and then continue working as if the HDV original never existed.
A recording directly to DV is with HDV camcorders also possible, but not really useful. Although the MPEG2 HDV procedure is not optimal, but the Runterskalieren on PAL again Resolutiongewinnt Pro-pixel quality and MPEG artifacts will be inconspicuous.
Although I have myself no extensive series of tests, etc., but there are really the experts agree.
Antwort von Asjoker:
THANK YOU ^ ^ has helped me a lot:)
New PC is on the way s.den system so it should not lie ...
Werd do exactly what you said:) that I purchased my HV20
But I still wait 1-2 months to wait (just because money is bad, so I WARET until Christmas prices fall again later)
danke nochmal s.alle! :)
