Frage von LordBlackthorn:
Servus each other,
as I slowly reveals the fact that I am living with my DV-earning products, is of course the question of a more suitable system than my current.
In the last moment just from my PC. I work with 160GB IDE HDD, 1024MB PC2700 DDR RAM and the real Mobile 2133Mhz overclocked processor. Furthermore, I would much prefer the box for private purposes, as for private and commercial, not only because of the security.
For smaller projects this is sufficient, but when I großartig with special effects work to a timely need preview, I notice how old my computer is. Because, I would naturally like a real system fixes buy, memory prices for DDR2 RAM are currently in the basement anyway, but Prozessormäßig I'm rather ill-advised.
What's more? A dual-Xeon PC add, or rather to the fastest available access to Core2Duo? Or even two Dual Xeon chips? Which motherboard is currently available for such purposes to recommend?
Technically, I am hard well advised, however, the problem is simply with the motherboard / processor issue.
And maybe a question s.Rande. The graphics card plays a role and consequently it: worth it cut under Vista?
Many dear greetings
Danny
Antwort von usul:
Core 2 Duo is currently the best price-performance ratio. Dual Xeon workstations worth at best when 2 Dual-core Xeons use. But even then the matter could be more expensive than a similarly powerful Core 2 Quad, Xeon because all the components do not stop such a mass-produced as "normal" PC components and thus quite expensive.
Antwort von Chezus:
If you want to earn money so you have to invest as synonymous. And then go to Euro 1500 grad mal los (lower limit).
I myself (as already mentioned a few times) a purchased MacPro with Final Cut Studio. (Final Cut Pro 5, DVD Studio Pro 4, Motion 2 and Soundtrack Pro)
Technical Data:
2.66 GHz Intel Xeon
3GB RAM
Ati Radeon 1900 graphics card
750GB hard drive
everything together for Euro 3400
Well noticed editing software incl
Ram you get in DSP memory for 85 Euro 1GB bars. Must be installed in pairs, so 170 euros for additional 2GB of RAM.
And do you want to work with Windows, you can do that with MAC synonymous.
I do not want to advertise for Apple. But the system is cheap for what it does and why I bought it (before 3-4 weeks)
I'm very happy with it and the system is sauschnell
Antwort von Beatfabrikant:
I would be a fast Core 2 Duo recommended. If you first cut with a PC, if Final Cut Pro or Avid jedenfall on a Mac!
On the Mac, you can namely between Avid and Final Cut pro, or, where appropriate, easy switch.
So I think the perfect system depends heavily of the software, with which you want to work.
Antwort von LordBlackthorn:
Moin,
because I already for a while in the business am I aware that one must invest a lot ;-)
I tend to be more likely to MAC, in conjunction with FC Studio 2
So, if I understood correctly, is worth a Core2Quad more than 2 Dual Core Xeon (price / performance) and a Core2Duo Xeon rather than 2?
mfg
Danny
Antwort von curtis:
If I read correctly in the title is "DV production.
And just here it's a wonderful side effect of technical progress, that this is not much should invest.
For pure DV editing perhaps s.geeignete Storage & Backup Solutions thinking - and otherwise? What for a multi-CPU workstation for pure DV editing.
Besides noting:
More computing cores is not more autonomous power, support of software-Page is only required once. So here the tears quad, for example, not much unlike similarly clocked dual core CPU `s.
Ergo: do not need much money might s.anderen components of a square cut
might be better invested.
Antwort von LordBlackthorn:
As mentioned above, is my main goal, Effects s.der closer to real time to be able to apply as it currently is the case (simple particle effects already require test renderings).
The next would be beneficial, while the Project renders, s.etwas others continue to be able to work (post-production, DVD authoring, etc.)
So would a dual core CPU or a multi-processor system is more in question.
Many greetings
Danny
Antwort von Valentino:
As mentioned above, is my main goal, Effects s.der closer to real time to be able to apply as it currently is the case (simple particle effects already require test renderings).
The next would be beneficial, while the Project renders, s.etwas others continue to be able to work (post-production, DVD authoring, etc.)
So would a dual core CPU or a multi-processor system is more in question.
So when you do not need DV Quad synonymous when you are playing with the HDV Geddanken to cut, one 2.6 GHz Core2 Duo completely. Important would be but a new motherboard with P35 chipset dme.
I cut at the moment and the only computer with a P4 (3.0 @ 3.6 GHz). The only difference to me to a Core2 Duo system feel that I finally HDV liquid can be cut, but not much with the CPU has to do, but rather so that the back channel with my AGP card is not fast enough for HDV is that of PCI-Express, however, already.
I have such a calculator with the same editing software (Avid Liquid) times at a dealer and had to be tested with horror firmly, that the MPEG encoder of MainConcept an entire piece is slower than on my P4 was. Even the compressor of Final Cut Pro has it on a MacPro 2.6 GHz with the shop not in real time DV file to render.
What it something you Irrglaueb of seeming to seind that you believe is a Core2Duo with 2.6 GHz dual synonymous performance of a single 2.6 GHz with CoreCPU has. If your DV or HDV Progarmm can render it very difficult for the side so other s.einem Project work. Music listening and working in Word, no problem, but at the same time Shake compositing is still something a little more difficult.
Antwort von steveb:
I have been working for some time with a core duo 2.6 and have experienced significant improvements in order. In particular, with cutting and Music. Previously I had a P4 2.4 GHz and had only the Board and the Processor exchanged. So if other hardware is still ok, so an upgrade is sufficient in many cases already.
Antwort von LordBlackthorn:
Hey,
thanks for the lively responses.
So until now I always thought that one could in multi-processor or dual-core system kernels / processors individually control? True to the moto: 1 TU this core, center 2, stand by me to buy it.
What I expect is that when I create a file for example on a processor render, I with the other processor / core in peace work. The I of course do not work as fast as I could with both together, I am aware.
The dual performance I expect, I never mentioned. From a quad was never even talk (at least considered it, I have not, to buy one) ... I'm just about the advantages of the Core2Duo or multi-processor systems with quite bring. I do
not want to
single-CPU, synonymous when they are still so fast!
And my question was just what such a system for the above work would be better: Dual Core or Multi CPU.
Antwort von Beatfabrikant:
Umm I think that goes with the job credibly not as easy as you think. I have an own Core 2 Duo and I've never heard of or what to read that one of the processors themselves can assign tasks independently. When it goes but please clarify me on
Antwort von steveb:
Umm I think that goes with the job credibly not as easy as you think. I have an own Core 2 Duo and I've never heard of or what to read that one of the processors themselves can assign tasks independently. When it goes but please clarify me on hmmmm .... but that's just the sense of dual cores.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dualcore
Antwort von Valentino:
Umm I think that goes with the job credibly not as easy as you think. I have an own Core 2 Duo and I've never heard of or what to read that one of the processors themselves can assign tasks independently. When it goes but please clarify me on
hmmmm .... but that's just the sense of dual cores.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dualcore Yes clear already,
it brings, as in the HT technology, more performance. But it really makes you a bit too "simple" before. Alone when I open the task manager when I see s.Laufen processes of 42 and the CPU are belasteung at 12 percent. So I would have sent These 42 processes are distributed. If I now have video programs have a dual core support, this is synonymous both CPU cores to exploit and not just a core, or else would such programs do not make sense. Otherwise it can be synonymous to the CPU hardware overload the system on one CPU running and AVID Liquid, on the other.
It is synonymous known, the program synonymous two nuclei must support and without this support, the program will sometimes be slower than a Single Core CPU.
But let's be honest, to really understand how all the CPU architectures now work in detail exactly one has a good knowledge of computer science have. I think even as a computer science student first a little catfish literature must remain, he is an ordinary citizen can explain.
Antwort von PowerMac:
Umm I think that goes with the job credibly not as easy as you think. I have an own Core 2 Duo and I've never heard of or what to read that one of the processors themselves can assign tasks independently. When it goes but please clarify me on Mainly write something, right?
Antwort von Robtion81:
Hello,
I want my time synonymous to buy a new Cpu and because it is synonymous to the Quad or Duo, I have found a table makes me aback. Look here
Antwort von steveb:
Hello,
I want my time synonymous to buy a new Cpu and because it is synonymous to the Quad or Duo, I have found a table makes me aback. Look here
Antwort von LordBlackthorn:
Yes clear already,
it brings, as in the HT technology, more performance. But it really makes you a bit too "simple" before. Alone when I open the task manager when I see s.Laufen processes of 42 and the CPU are belasteung at 12 percent. So I would have sent These 42 processes are distributed. If I now have video programs have a dual core support, this is synonymous both CPU cores to exploit and not just a core, or else would such programs do not make sense. Otherwise it can be synonymous to the CPU hardware overload the system on one CPU running and AVID Liquid, on the other.
It is synonymous known, the program synonymous two nuclei must support and without this support, the program will sometimes be slower than a Single Core CPU.
Uh, forgive, but you have the link to read about? You seem, without you now want to attack, but very much on your single core CPU to be fixed, which is synonymous to explain your reasoning would be manageable.
It is:
[list] s.ein significant speed increase at a DualCore-/Multi-CPU-System to try [/ list: u: 1bd4c0ae6a]
[list] b) of course possible, processes, or assign to distribute. [/ list: u: 1bd4c0ae6a]
Had not so, one would Dual-Core-/Multi-CPU-Systeme completely invented for nothing.
And actually my question still not answered is:
Dear Multi-Processor or Dual Core? Meaning and purpose for both the same, but what is to be preferred?
Edit: If you like the way, and 42 processes are running your CPU at 12% busy, I would be really serious about it.
Antwort von steveb:
Dear VW, Audi or Porsche? Everything but a budget issue!
Antwort von Valentino:
@ Lord Black on his throne
I already know a Core2Duo faster than a P4 Singelcore is that I wanted to here is not synonymous in question. I have until now except for HDV in comparison to my 3.6 GHz P4 with HT and no great speed increase fixed them all.
The problem that you want to somehow bypass is a software program synonymous Multi-core CPU support. Most video applications support multi-core CPUs, but garde of older programs such as Media Studio Pro 7 lacks this support and therefore the program is on a Core2Duo is not really faster.
That is for most games here and not otherwise synonymous support only the new games a multi-core CPU.
Look at just the CPU test of Tomshardwareguide s.and because you will not find any program by a faster Core2Duo equal.
Quite apart from that I have synonymous zugegben the CPU architecture is not so easy to understand and I do not blow synonymous plan resulting in a Core2Duo so everything is going on. That is why I reported here synonymous only of practical experience and pray you do not the content of Wikipedia down.
Time a question, why you ask really what a CPU you want growth, if you know better s.Ende eh?
Greeting
Tino
Antwort von LordBlackthorn:
@ Valentino:
Less is sometimes more. The last sentence had you save may be synonymous ... I know nothing better, I just know that I definitely either a dual-core or multi-processor solution would like. Otherwise I would have asked if someone multi-CPU solutions or single-CPU recommends. Furthermore, I know that my PC does not need to play and with security software believe, based on multiple CPUs designed! I do not understand why you keep this speed increase hunt. This is me no preference. It is simply about the advantages of multiple CPUs with lead. Point!
Steveb @
Hm, just a VW is much slower than a Porsche.
The question is, has a dual-core system advantages and disadvantages compared to a multi-chip solution? What is VW and what is the Porsche, compared with dual-core and Multi-Chip.
Maybe I put my question wrong:
Because a dual-core processor is cheaper than a solution with 2 processors on one board, is because then the solution with the 2 chips faster and more efficient (because more expensive) than the dual-core solution?
Antwort von Daigoro:
Because a dual-core processor is cheaper than a solution with 2 processors on one board, is because then the solution with the 2 chips faster and more efficient (because more expensive) than the dual-core solution?
No..
Two processors on one board was invented, before anyone s.Doppelkern processors dared to think.
Not only for the reason of the performance gains.
Purchase yourself a dual core system and ready. In 2 years, it is outdated anyway, no preference how you spend your money. :)
ps sorry if this now again a marked short answer is, but that here in detail is beyond the scope of this forum and very deep blow in System Design theory proceed.
Antwort von LordBlackthorn:
That means a dual core CPU with 2.6 GHz equivalent or faster fast as 2x 2.6 GHz multi-processor, if I understood correctly?
Edit: From me, professionally quiet simple. After a few years, computer science grauer I can, I think, quite well ;-)
Antwort von Daigoro:
That means a dual core CPU with 2.6 GHz equivalent or faster fast as 2x 2.6 GHz multi-processor, if I understood correctly?
Apples and MP3 player in principle.
Can not say a flat rate or compare.
As I said, the performance is not the only reason a multi-processor system.
The performance can only be of use to compare application.
Self-cutting programs are different on different operating systems and different hardware more or less show big differences.
Look at the entire system that you want to use, not the individual components.
Fang s.besten in the software (because that is what you are working - the 'chassis' is, in principle, as long as it meets the requirements of the software equals taster - there should be more people using Macs: D - I do it himself, but The years seem to do more on 'getting the job done' wave, instead of GHz and gigabyte rumzureiten) and go s.da according to the manufacturer recommendations.
Antwort von LordBlackthorn:
As I said, the performance is not the only reason a multi-processor system.
But what else?
Antwort von Daigoro:
As I said, the performance is not the only reason a multi-processor system.
But what else?
eg reliability, space and cost savings - more from what corner of the server (and there were multi-processor systems are primarily so used), less the workstation area (already garnicht Wintel workstation - their "workstation" Winbugs had partially yes not even multi-processor support).
Performancemaessig I only perform this test Mac (Dual Core vs.. Dual Processor) and the can is unfortunately synonymous something older: http://www.macworld.com/news/2005/10/25/dualcorebenchmarks/index.php
On the principle should be no great change.
The type is not really much (and mostly in favor of the gleichgetakteten Dual Core), but it saves an expensive dual-processor motherboard and something s.Laermbelaestigung and power synonymous.
Antwort von RainerE:
Security, space and cost savings
Well, I come from the 'server' but these reasons are müll
Failure of security?
If a multiprocessor Board Processor fails the system is. There is nothing with failsafe security.
Place? The need as much or as little space as a normal system. Most even more space because the housing must be well chilled.
Cost savings? Schonmal Prices on a multiprocessor system and the system of a current Core2 compatriots. Thank you.
The only reason why we multiprocessor systems have had, or is the next above, reason.
There she was simply not true. Point
Antwort von LordBlackthorn:
Ah, but it sounds great. Have just a little heat and compatriots actually convincing results in the direction of the dual-core solutions. They are much cooler and draw less power than dual processors.
Very nice.
Many thanks for the reply.
Antwort von Daigoro:
Failure of security?
If a multiprocessor Board Processor fails the system is. There is nothing with failsafe security.
I would sometimes more than 650 euros in a 'superduperprofiserver' invest or 15 years old Solaris update times.
If we have a processor fails, nothing will remain.
The Trolling here is really slow cruel.
Antwort von RainerE:
We have here synonymous SUN workstations, the incredible things you can ... but that does s.eigenlichen topic.
It should do everything so synonymous in a good price / performance ratio is.
Sure, there are the board, but the pigs are rare and expensive. Why spend 650 ¬ for this? Since I already get a very good 'normal' board and a top Core2 CPU ...
Antwort von RainerE:
And maybe a question s.Rande. The graphics card plays a role and consequently it: worth it cut under Vista?
Generally not, because vista swallows more resources than XP (especially in Aero), which then no longer subject to the editing program available. The graphics card in some programs pielt a role, but if the OS has a lot of the card is claimed, is intended less for the left.
Multiple Processor (cores) sidn especially useful in the graphics field, and if at the same time, with several programs to be worked. The program should in any case, multi-threaded, so that each thread synonymous to multiple cores / processors can be distributed. The OS must of course synonymous with good multiple CPUs to cope. Whether multi-core, multi-processor or a combination, that is (almost) no preference based on performance. The difference between multiprocessor and multi-core is that the latter two cores on a chip sitting, and at first to separate.
Multicore has shared cache, which is an advantage because it is a core can use more if necessary, if the other is not needed.
And that older software is not multi core / multiprocessor optimized, it is clear. But if you depend cuts, and speed because the system wants to update, this will not cut through an outdated program again to undo, but the program updates.
I would be for the Mac Pro decide (of course with a third-party RAM, because the apple ram is overpriced), and with Final Cut Studio 2 work.
Antwort von RainerE:
Another advantage of the Mac Pros (and OSX): they can have more than 4 GB of RAM to use, without using a special version of the operating system compatibility problems with existing programs of 32bit OSes to cause.
Antwort von LordBlackthorn:
With the MacPro / FC Studio 2 games, I thought, it's a shame jap. that you do not even have the option to FC Studio 2 reinzuschnuppern ...
The video look so incredibly promising, but at what software they do not ;-)
Antwort von Freak5:
Umm I think that goes with the job credibly not as easy as you think. I have an own Core 2 Duo and I've never heard of or what to read that one of the processors themselves can assign tasks independently. When it goes but please clarify me on
In task manager you can separate processes on the respective cores determine if you have XP.
I think the notebooks, for example, makes sense. These can be the speed of a core of not one bar to another change. If you have a process that only works with a core, but dauernt between the cores herumhüpft this Umschaltmechanisus works more often than necessary.
