Frage von Walt:
Hello,
could ask the question: What brings such a mat-box really?
http://cgi.ebay.com/Jumbo-Matte-box...
Überlege mir so ein Teil anzuschaffen, frage mich nur, ob das bildtechnisch wirklich viel bringt (habe selber eine XL2).
Was meint ihr dazu?
Viele Grüsse,
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Walt
Edit from Mod: Link shortened.
Antwort von Schleichmichel:
If you are in the motif often steep light sets and quick abflaggen want, without cutting out more often and also with filter combinations work, so a portion is already necessary.
However, if you join forums asks what the thing is good or whether the picture to a better, that's strange ... is not it? I mean, are you really sure that you're in the process as something expensive to buy, of which function you apparently have little idea?
Many want such parts, because the look cool, or somehow a professional impression. Ill.
Antwort von Walt:
that is why I ask so synonymous, obs generally makes sense to buy such a thing ;-)
But anyway since I only s.anfang stand, makes it more likely not make much sense.
and partly that the monetary costs, it was already clear to me, but the price would be no deterrence principle.
thanks for the info!
Antwort von Schleichmichel:
What does "generally make sense?
Usually there is a problem, such as unwanted Lichthöfe in the Picture and / or to request an arrangement for the use of filter combinations. One after researching and notes that a sun visor problem nr. 1 would resolve, but little flexibility (if the light comes steeper and the sun is too far into the Picture hineinragt). Depending on requirements, urgency, weakness of mind or the budget to get to the conclusion that a compendium zuzulegen.
You come here s.and ask in the forum, whether a compendium for you would make sense. Hmm, so does it just seen a rubber hood. If I am with my bike with no fender Fützen often go through, then I know that I need fenders, if I do not want to be dirty and ask not only in cycling forums.
Do you know what I want?
Antwort von Monsta:
The purchase an imitation from India, I would consider synonymous 2x. Such a compendium usually costs 4x as much.
Antwort von Walt:
thank you for your feedback and your answer. werd bestimmt noch mal often ask such a thing ;-)
Antwort von WoWu:
Walt @
... if you get it for a reasonable price "shoot" are synonymous and can be a sound device is (perhaps even a Chrosziel, then beating too.
Sometime you do with your camera synonymous times more surreptitious, such as Michel said .. filter into the game when you have come with a compendium more times can fall back on good filter, rather than the screw department Outland and you'll very quickly the benefits of synonymous flags recognize.
Eighth thing that you do not buy part of 4:3 and that at least one rotating filter slot is ... and absolutely should be at least 2 filter holder to be .... and "Jumbo" is always a matter of camera size. If you have a sensible Camera tuned, you is not synonymous jumbo anymore. Denk dran but when you get a lot of shoulder work, the thing that attracts quite ..
Antwort von Walt:
Have yourself yesterday XL2 bought me just working and clean.
Am someone who is buying a lot of stuff if I have a topic of enthusiastic bin (Man, when I think of what I bought for geocaching - is synonymous worth it ;-).
A few friends and I want more in the next time.
Of course I have no great idea, so I have the link to the part with the same times of posting - it's a replica from India.
Maybe you can look at the product page view and tell me what you think of it haelen?
They have a synonymous Steadycam (Flycam 6000 pro and Magic Arm & Vest. The part I am now synonymous times bought, should be delivered next week. What I've noticed it and what I've viewed it, so that makes it sound recordings, if one takes the time and has incorporated.
Yes I admit to that much for me happened after the slogan "Who says that I need? I want to have it!". But perhaps knows her so that such a thing even as a teenager and wanted to have it then at once as an adult to buy ;-)
Antwort von WoWu:
Walt @
Do you want to out my thoughts on the listening part?
Let your fingers like this. Although I did not do everything now to read in detail but if you have a MB purchase, but rather to see if you have at Ebay not get a sensible Chrosziel.
These are mechanical devices of good quality and you replace the MB less frequently than the Camera.
To some, the next 20 years with you with, simply because nothing changes. If I already see that there is, the MB to the lens to jam without rails .... Young, young, endweder is from the super plastic or break you so that you connect to the lens, if you on an interchangeable lens sets.
Also did you not enjoy it, if the stock ausgeleiert are you and every little breeze will move the flags.
Furthermore, I would synonymous at least one 4x5.56 filter holder and take only a 4x4. The fact that both are 4x4, actually suggests a quadratic form on the way .... what is with 16:9?
My tip: maintaining s.Ball on eBay, waiting for a device and then g'scheites beating, if you were already in the dreamlike situation are, you like the parts in the series so blithely to order ...
Antwort von nomulus:
@ asker: Are you the woman who the 15 million with this Picture Lotto ticket won?
No fear, just the sheer envy of your MCH enables coal to this question ...
Antwort von Walt:
thank you for your opinion!
ne, I am unfortunately not with the 15mio - shame shame shame ;-)
Antwort von Walt:
@ WoWu: You meintest that worries you had in that part of the bracket s.Lens etc. Is this not the Rod Support there, so that the lens will be relieved, because the part of the Support Rod really stable?
Antwort von camworks:
a friend of me has the inder-kompendium with rods purchased. he is very satisfied with the part. Unfortunately, my vocas really cost 4 times as much. the processing quality of the Indian is his statement after about 70 to 80% of his vocas.
may be that there are several inder, which offer various compendia. I know, unfortunately, no longer, with whom my friend had ordered the part.
Antwort von WoWu:
Walt @
I think so too have understood that you have the part about the quick release of support can decrease the MB and then only on the terminal closure s.Lens attached. That would be bad.
But perhaps I've misunderstood ... but I would check.
Otherwise, if someone with the experience part that's always the best recommendation ....
In any case, I would be a first in hand to it before I buy ..
Antwort von Walt:
@ WoWu: true - I've already mentioned that I always wanted to look at India? ;-) (Ok, had lied ;-)
@ camworks: you could be famous again you ask why? I would experience this truly interested.
Antwort von Schleichmichel:
The Indian film industry was the largest in the world. So you can imagine that there are needs, equipment itself. And with over 1,000 productions a year, the film makers with the equipment manufacturers there have enough experience at least equivalent equipment manufacture.
But I'm not the one who has would like eBay to find out.
Antwort von Pianist:
Even more times on a general classification of the importance of a toolkit: A compendium enhances imaging performance of an objective considerably. I know even experienced cameramen who say we should prefer a slightly cheaper to buy Lens and the saved money into a good compendium stuck. So a lens for 14,000 instead of EUR 16.000 and then buy for 2.000 EUR compendium übrighaben. And here it sounded so synonymous have to: A Compendium Chrosziel heard like a Sachtler Tripods, an SQN-mixer or a Neumann Microphone to the things you buy once and then his entire working life to use. Return is more difficult to generate.
Matthias
Antwort von camworks:
Even more times on a general classification of the importance of a toolkit: A compendium enhances imaging performance of an objective considerably.
stimmt. we have in the training times driven tests where optik without and with impressive building in kompendium were compared, as were between worlds. and electronic scattering compensation (if one consumerkam sowas überhaupt should have - no idea) is definitely not better than hardware, which do not stray into the optic reinläßt.
Antwort von camworks:
@ camworks: you could be famous again you ask why? I would experience this truly interested.
yes, I can make. In the meantime, you can indeed look at the experience reported in this thread druchlesen: http://www.hackermovies.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?sid=&f=10127&t=81783
are probably really several Indian shops on ebay that offer different compendia.
Antwort von Walt:
arndt hi, vielen dank!
Antwort von scubavideo1:
Hi Walt,
a good alternative, however, synonymous with the disadvantage that the weight of a matte box and filters s.Lens moment, there are of (Still Image) Cokin filter manufacturer:
http://www.cokin.com/ico6-mattebox.html
The part costs as Kit with French Flag, a Grauverlaufs and a blue filter 350, - Euro plus VAT
You get the Cokin Mattebox eg Bebob
http://www.bebob.de/mini-dv_cokin/cokin_mattebox.php
I have a set of Cokin filters, but they are plastic and therefore very scratch (except for the polarizer, which is made of glass and top!).
Therefore, I will for my Petroff (http://www.petroff.ws/home.htm) Compendium filter purchase.
.... hope that helps,
Kai
Antwort von Walt:
Hello Kai,
jo, the part I had discovered on eBay synonymous with holding real drawback is that the matte s.Lens.
Think that I will later but will output a little more money and be a support-Rod to buy.
Since I'm from Wiesbaden, a Manufacturer in Frankfurt, or even directly in the vicinity (
Antwort von radiohead3:
where ye please buy the Cokin filters? gibts there a shop i-net? 've not found in the filter does not equal 30 - 40% more expensive ...
Antwort von Markus:
Cokin filter gibts usbei
Antwort von Walt:
what do you think this partly because of its rail system here?
Antwort von r.p.television:
Hm ...
On the pictures it looks as if the Sidewings would not swivel. That's pretty silly times (if it actually is).
Moreover, nothing of the sort mentioned that the mask in the rear housing is disassembled. The section is very small and because I would like to have at a weitwinkligen Optics or a WW-Converter (and especially the need Streulichtabschattung) do worry about vignetting.
Then the matte aluminum. Aluminum is heavier than plastic and can bend rather than break plastic.
And then the connection limit (52 - 82mm).
Even the WW-converter my old PD150 had a diameter of 85mm. The XH A1 or my XL H1 have 90mm.
The thing is very limited in its capabilities and I think more apparent than his. It strikes me as almost as if before a tool for Blender is offered. The price is tempting but at the same time revealing.
There is really so good Mattebox cost her money. Although now I have no experience with Indian manufacturers, but of course I was disappointed Vocas. And they are next to Arri's biggest competitor for Chrosziel.
The Chrosziel matte-boxes are simply the best. Since one can say what you want.
I think I have you before the boxes Vocas mat warned because of the reflective flaps 16:9. Other boxes have blödsinngerweise mat inside the housing a light gray coating, which is also reflected in the optics (such as a white dashboard in the windshield - so there is not synonymous white dashboard more). For other rattle the filter stages, etc.
The matte-Cokin Cokin will only filter on. And the scratch after his own experience during the Watch Floor. Not to think of it so to film a sunset.
Before you as a product purchase third choice, prefer to save a few months and buy you the HDV Model of Chrosziel. It has a 16:9 Housing, two filter stages, one of them rotated in 4x4, the other in 4x5, 65 moved vertically (for ND-filter suitable super)
The housing is very stable and keep in front of the Camera Remplern consequential.
Unfortunately this cost with Frenchflag, Sidewings, Railsupport in 15mm, filter stages completely ca 1300, - Euro (net). Schlimm to know that one of them already two HV20s can buy. But especially in use with course filters (ND or Tobacco) succeed in your landscape or architectural photography, which is not comparable with footage directly through the camera lens. If you have good times with Docus landscape or the like on Discovery (HD) ansiehst, you will see hardly a recording where the image contrast is not with a Nd-course gepimpt was.
And as I said in another thread out of you already have read that you replaced with straight back do not think I can only recommend you just take this purchase does not end s.falschen to save money. Lastly, this matte survived many camcorder ....( normally and in my opinion, is more important than a long term rail dolly)
Antwort von Pianist:
what do you think this partly because of its rail system here?
Antwort von Axel:
Has anyone the mat-box of the linked Geardear of Walt? It was me besides Rods once offered directly to the purchase, recommended by the seller (wonder what). I was clammy. Can anyone submit an assessment?
Antwort von Walt:
with the matte liebügel I still synonymous. before all things, because the manufacturer from frankfurt geardear is (from wiesbaden am), so just around the corner. with rod support costs etc as a part of The 636 euro (incl. vat) and looks much more professional than the other things which I have found in the network so that ...
Antwort von C.I.W:
So my opinion is doing it for the beginning of a normal synonymous hood. If you are in some situations too much scattered light in the lens you can do so via a gedanken times make the purchase.
Film just a few light situations and look s.welchem angle the light hits s.die Lens. Nem you a couple of cardboard, simulate the matte and watch whether the results can be improved greatly. If not, then brings you a synonymous Mattebox nothing more.
Antwort von r.p.television:
So my opinion is doing it for the beginning of a normal synonymous hood. If you are in some situations too much scattered light in the lens you can do so via a gedanken times make the purchase.
Film just a few light situations and look s.welchem angle the light hits s.die Lens. Nem you a couple of cardboard, simulate the matte and watch whether the results can be improved greatly. If not, then brings you a synonymous Mattebox nothing more.
In this respect the Mattebox only stray used foreclosure, you have surely right. One might be even a greater tulip etc. suffice.
I personally use the matte but it is precisely in connection with TIFF course and other filters. And history is filters are only useful in a filter stage used to shift and swirl it.
If you do not use these possibilities, a Mattebox only partially used and overpaid.
If I am recording in the city and nature during the day doing, I would like the matte box and filter Kombintion not miss anymore.
Antwort von C.I.W:
Yes but then synonymous tute a Cokin filter holder without the matte and without Sideflags. I've got the A-series and use that pole-and Graufilter. An aperture essay. Scattered light is never a problem.
And all you get for about 70 ¬
Antwort von r.p.television:
For starters, the Cokin filter holder with filter is certainly not bad. I have looked at times synonymous adapter built in, so I Cokin filter in my filter stage Chrosziel get. S.Anfang That was quite good, especially because my Tiffen filters were too expensive. But after some time was in each plastic filter somewhere a little scratches or streaks. Sometime you need to stop and clean themselves moist occur because sometime Schlieren. I then eventually a set of used (but kratzer free) Pol, UV and ND or Farbverlauffilter of Tiffen only anden. The make me now for 10 years loyal service in two boxes mat.
The thread starter should decide for themselves what is important to him. Tips he has now so get enough.
Antwort von smooth-appeal:
From the Manufacturer I would personally buy nothing at all ;-)
In itself is a matte in various situations very useful and the recording of several filter design allows a large margin of synonymous to increase the quality of recordings can be useful if you have the right filter at the right time to use.
Antwort von r.p.television:
From what?
Antwort von smooth-appeal:
From the Manufacturer of the matte from the first article produced. Seems quite robust s.sich from but I personally would like refrain dara said.
If Chrosziel or Geardear, where the latter next to the vendor receiving a super synonymous support any special design can be realized and the prices which can be seen, since it is not made of metal but of specially milled fraction and Schlagsicherem plastic manufactured. (Also nice light)
Antwort von B.DeKid:
Would someone be so kind and enlighten me ..... Adjust Cokin filter in Chrosziel MB s? Or only via realiesieren to DIY?
Antwort von r.p.television:
This is basically depends on:
s.welche stage filters or filter cartridges, which you for your Chrosziel matte-searched.
b) what size (Cokin filter) You buy!
Ask me now, please do not what Cokin filter size to fit any operator.
I any case Cokin yet to be included in a 4x4 holder fit, or if you s.einer the edges of a plastic profile or the like with an outer notch anklebt using superglue.
So basically only with re-work and research before. Who wants to save money did not come around.
Tiffen filter will cost several hundred dollars (for a filter). It may be worthwhile.
Antwort von smooth-appeal:
Under normal circumstances - the P-series Cokin Of ...
But definitely up for this compendium and the available filter holder at. If you know you can rumrechnen.
Just wanted the measure of a P-filter here, because this information in the network will be difficult but I seh grad: Is not None since ;-)
