Frage von Bernd E.:
Blow to blow with Sony's next-News: No sooner has the delivery of the PMW-EX1 begun, further details of the two HDV camcorder with Exchangable optics known. Particularly noteworthy is expected to be that both the HVR-handle version Z7E as synonymous shoulder HVR-S270E camera equipped with a dockable recorder will be delivered, which is now finally on CF cards (!) Records. More here:
www.videoaktiv.de/content/view/1341/2/
www.film-tv-video.de/newsdetail + M5540bdba1aa.html? & tx_ttnews
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von azo+:
lacking only the full HD option card to the store.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
There's more to read:
www.sonybiz.net/biz/view/ShowContent.action?site=biz_en_GB&contentId=1193315635243 (including outlook on later Available accessories)
http://studiodaily.com/main/news/8768.html
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von Jan:
Hello,
the 2 models have me totally shocked.
But Sony is still reasonable, their own standards and to leave the mass adapter?
HDV CF Card - Insanity - every DSLR photographer (as long as he is with professional Nikon cameras (sD 200 & D 300), or generally working with Canon) and is also busy with Videography - happy.
HDV is not yet death, we tried a mixed solution of tape and flash memory - even to let the data out and herkopieren. I honestly had not expected that Sonyso decides.
The EX 1 is still justified, but that was Sonynun of times not to be expected, they have well-recognized AVCHD needs a time - until quite happy with the cut Semi filmers and professionals.
VG
Jan
Antwort von Yasmin:
The big question is: What will actually s.Ende for the suspected low price of around 8,000 euros for the HVR-S270E really warranted? Can synonymous professional what it?
Antwort von Login_vergessen:
Can synonymous professional what it? Why not? Who yet with a JVC (5000 series) or DSR-390 has made contributions, getting (it seems at any rate so far) a working device in the 16:9 format and the possibility of a party direct memory cutting.
SD goes in today's TV landscape, ie whether the Cam HDV or any other HD format can be schnurz me ...
Antwort von wolfgang:
the 2 models have me totally shocked.
But Sony is still reasonable, their own standards and to leave the mass adapter?
...
HDV is not yet death, we tried a mixed solution of tape and flash memory - even to let the data out and herkopieren. I honestly had not expected that Sonyso decides.
The EX 1 will still have their permission ...
I am rather pleased hats, Jan. Because I think HDV unchanged for good, the editing options are good - and in AVCHD has the AVC codec his potential, but such devices have features that I am absolutely happy and I for certain market segments is important and think properly.
So we start times have to save an ...
:)
Antwort von Yasmin:
Whether probably to the "tail" of the HVR-S270E synonymous Sony's wireless receiver fits WRR655 CA - zBsdie like camera types DSR-500/570? Or there again you have to acquire something new? Hopefully not ...
Antwort von Yasmin:
The only question is what Canon well as a counter-offer will pepper.
It is surprisingly quiet in this corner ........
Saamjo
Antwort von Yasmin:
I think Canon has only the following opportunity: an amateur camcorder with at least all the features of the new Sony, but with 4:2:2 10-bit AVC Intra codec out of the broadcast area, synonymous after the 7th Render generation barely loss :-))
Antwort von Jan:
Recently, Canon AVCHD pushed and in press releases & Roadshows repeatedly indicated it wants to AVC in the near future more attention.
But they probably have as Sonyerkannt - the moment is still too early for a semi professional camera & with AVCHD - the NLE companies and the hardware is not yet so far.
Canon has always wait until something - like the case with other corporations, I think of HDV, or AVCHD HDD camcorders in general.
At Canon, I am not quite sure what to either PMA (Jan / Feb 2008) or NAB (April - WoWus Tip) happens PMA more likely the date for the HV 30? , but in the semi and professional sector, the NAB could be an issue. It does but not 100% make sense in the spring of successors for the XL or XH H 1 A & G 1 to present.
My tip, Canon will wait until summer.
VG
Jan
Antwort von Yasmin:
Weiss somebody, whether it is "beneath" the osGeräte still something new type of Sony is? Almost as successor to the FX7 or next at the bottom of HC7?
Thanks in advance ...
Antwort von wolfgang:
Then you should but other AVC format, when the format available today. Easy editable, full-time HD really exploit, at least full-HD 1080 25p, better full-HD 1080 50p. And with your camcorder housings and lenses, which get into the category of a FX1 / Canon A1/EX1 come.
And we are not of the small consumer devices AVCHD longer speak, but that is always clear.
Antwort von Jan:
I was at least of Sonybestätigt, it should spring for a successor to the HC 7, so probably the PMA in Las Vegas.
Canon considers itself as a bit overcast, as the HV 20 is now sold quite well, is hard of a HV 30 is assumed. The permanent price cuts in the last quarter of the 20 HV talking synonymous favor.
The new models will be cheaper! But I am not sure what there really be better.
Wolfgang - I think we still need to summer-winter 2008 on your wishes to wait.
VG
Jan
Antwort von Yasmin:
I was at least of Sonybestätigt, it should spring for a successor to the HC 7, so probably the PMA in Las Vegas.
...
VG
Jan Well that sounds good but - since now even if the promising technology of the large combined cycle (band + SD card) Cams for use and the whole would be synonymous a small 3 Chipper would be the price of 2000 ¬ then need to Canon and Panasonic, but warm attract ...
@ Jan: There is already Details?
Antwort von Yasmin:
There are two quite stupid acquisition strategies for consideration, if a market is moving so rapidly, as is currently the video sector:
1) the Halbdumme is now a device or a system zuzulegen, of which one because of the "modernity" believes that in half a year will still be up to date
2.) which is quite stupid, always on the "modern" to wait in a half year since his will. Because then the situation is no other satisfactory, but only one to be worse.
Antwort von Jan:
No, to my question whether the issue s.SonyMitarbeiter HDV in the consumer class is over soon - because AVCHD (SR 5 & 7, CX 6) so good is sold and the HC 7 at the moment something schwächelt (HV 20 is probably to blame) , was strongly rejected - it is a successor in the spring, which should print leg. I think, but thanks to the price decline is not quite it - the camera will always be thin. For more info, I have not synonymous, the waiting times from January.
Yes the situation is overwhelming, Sony - the AVC big supporter - has the user with the HDV cameras Z 7 & S 270 quite shocked of the cameras could not really expect - that they are now.
Yes forever on the new technology-Warter wait their whole life ...
VG
Jan
Antwort von Jan:
Sony is really not the SD card support - CF siehts yes a little different, the new DSLR A 700 has CF synonymous and the Memory Stick Pro Duo.
Sonyand SD card? very unwarscheinlich ....
VG
Jan
Antwort von wolfgang:
There are two quite stupid acquisition strategies for consideration, if a market is moving so rapidly, as is currently the video sector:
1) the Halbdumme is now a device or a system zuzulegen, of which one because of the "modernity" believes that in half a year will still be up to date
2.) which is quite stupid, always on the "modern" to wait in a half year since his will. Because then the situation is no other satisfactory, but only one to be worse. The issue with the "acquisition strategy" has always - and you are never sure whether what you are doing, synonymous only halfway reasonable. If the money allows it, then buy the half-halt, which represents a direct least halfway sensible Bedüfnisse his satisfaction - that's it for me synonymous with the FX1. 720 50p was just not in sight - at that time.
I understand the dilemma synonymous of the industry - the need, according to old investment still auszucashen - everything HDV is concerned, and then the need, with the Competition to keep pace.
Wolfgang - I think we still need to summer-winter 2008 on your wishes to wait.
Maybe even longer, Jan. But you will see.
Antwort von WoWu:
There are two quite stupid acquisition strategies for consideration, if a market is moving so rapidly, as is currently the video sector:
1) the Halbdumme is now a device or a system zuzulegen, of which one because of the "modernity" believes that in half a year will still be up to date
2.) which is quite stupid, always on the "modern" to wait in a half year since his will. Because then the situation is no other satisfactory, but only one to be worse. @ Host
... there is a third variant:
3) those who can read look at the standard s.and know, firstly, what else will come and secondly, what the bad companies are omitted.
There are no surprises, we still missed the entire technology.
It went on DV so, and now with HDV as well. If you know where the flag pole in question is, you know how high it is already crawling.
Surprises, such as 1 and 2 there is only for those who are not properly informed.
@ Wolfgang
The "Raterei" to the "bad" performance of the PC's in the AVC editing is soon over. I take very extensive studies of the University of Rostock on this topic ... there are still hefty surprises there.
Antwort von Yasmin:
The statements point to 3 are absolutely correct and we specifically work with your information already well known WoWu.
However, firstly, that they do not help much, of what is currently useful and would like to purchase a second, do you think it probably is not even that AVCHD or AVC Intra does not also another flag pole with the bottom of an already visible will be the end :-))
Antwort von WoWu:
... clearly, you are absolutely right. So my advice is always synonymous yes, even half a year to wait. But it helps of course not, the purchase must now penetrate.
And this I believe is the flagpole with the slightly different times because imagine that it would have to HDV Introduction of MPEG2 in the 90 years. Then we would have long had something like this.
For example, it is in AVC ... because the TV is already standard for H.264 and HD cameras are the first with the Introduction (or almost in front of it) ... anyone can also read about what he can at most once, because he is ready including FRExt defined. I think they're finally reasonable prospects that consumers synonymous us slightly planning security and the prospect of not one or two years of the standard before the next door. And who is now with the possibilities offered by the camera manufacturer compares, can be very precisely the quality of the camera range estimate, because he can say exactly what would go (which is the standard being made)!
I think these are excellent conditions. So anyone can determine which product is sufficient for him and the industry can offer different segments. Find ich einfach klasse!
Anyway I think the paradigm shift well that for the first time in the history of television in the quality of consumer pressure is applied to the television because the pictures can deliver, which we already have on our screens ..... but the greater the pressure is synonymous to the broadcaster .... I find synonymous klasse!
But, as I said in the purchase situation, you have absolutely right. I would still not synonymous of the derzeitgen devices do.
Antwort von Beethoven69:
Quote:
"And this I believe is the flagpole with something else ..." And so we move again in the area of predictions and questions of faith ...
I can not believe that AVCHD in the amateur sector and not the extra sausage Panasonic AVC-Intra broadcast in a radical long-term role to play (flagpole), but that mpeg4 a serious thing already is.
The long-term trend I see more in the direction of Sony's HDCAM SR-go system, which is so synonymous have ARRI, Genesis, Viper and RED use.
This little compressed mpeg4 system has obviously prohibitively high data rates, but that is possibly in the future when recording is not
the role of times and I think something similar could be the trend in amateur synonymous sector run. All questions of faith and of course pure speculoos ...
Antwort von WoWu:
--- True, pure faith ...
..... Incidentally, is it for a variety of algorithms, the bullets were thrown dice ... mainly because there are involved Wavelets and AVC-I is by no means an extra sausage, both because of the tools as synonymous by the H.264 format provides the format be present.
The reference implementation has shown that it is a standard compliant format ... So where is the problem?
H.264 is also in the Level 5 and 5.1 with 135 and 240 Mbit / s up to 4k and defined FRExt looks H444P 4:4:4 with 12 bit before. You may not H.264 AVC format with a confused consumer.
But just in the movie segment to play yet aesthetic boundary and with the wavelet algorithm is obviously due to its timing errors are always a bit "softer" if he is not a Still Image is transferred.
I would be blurred to say, but many people love the movie so times now. Therefore here are quite alone in the film world.
Incidentally, for a scalable HD transmission method for a total of 14 proposals from the Commission.
12 of them were Wavelet and 2 based on the AVC base ... the wavelets are in the evaluation process all failed .. every 12th
So I share your view, not because ... the 2 and 4k cameras (if it is because then there times 4k) be sure all their customers but do not find the future in the TV area .... and how to transfer to the cinemas after looks, because I'm not so sure that this is not synonymous one is H.264.
But, as you say, everything is still forecast .... just tell me the current alternative? It is not even someone to ...
Television is with the ITU H.264 decision already cemented! .... I knew the moment no HD channel, which radiates a different procedure.
The Consumer sector has also decided ....
The chip sector is in the millions with DSP's and is strong in the delivery, no preference whether Fuji, Texas Instr., NEC .... you name it!
Fuji is building next to the AVC DSPs Transcoderchips amounts in millions of MPEG2 after H.264 ...
Which switch is because according to your view wrong?
And why did that all wrong?
Antwort von WoWu:
- Oh, even a brief addendum, because I represent is the keyword ...
HDCAM SR ...
It is well known based on the MPEG-4 Part2, which consists of an early draft and is taken from Microsoft wanted to be in AVI integrate what they have not succeeded. It was then chopped and Divx as practically as open source in the free market.
Later, it was as H.263, after completion of the Normierverfahrens synonymous as MPEG-4P2 released.
The HDCAM SR, it will be with 440 Mbit / s in 4:4:4 (10bit) is used.
Can you give me a (reasonable) reason to say why I'm an old ham to use, if I am in the MPEG-4 P10 not only the tools have improved significantly, but synonymous, a 12 bit! 4:4:4 signal with half the bandwidth can get?
Antwort von Beethoven69:
For heaven's sake: This whole discussion about a new camera so now artet astrein theorizing about the future of music. Questions and opinions on the practical use of a HVR-S270E nobody seems really interested. At school the teacher would say: Theme missed!
Antwort von Beethoven69:
... because he can say exactly what would go (which is the standard being made) !!!... That is nonsense but vested!
What uses the knowledge of me "... everything that could go ..." if no one applies?
Look in the automobile - all know that a relatively easy car can drive 300 kmh, but no production car goes so fast - on the contrary, most have agreed on 250. Who can tell you, this is not synonymous reasons could be the result, not all possibilities of the new standards exploit?
Antwort von Beethoven69:
A standard is in practice synonymous only a de facto, if he is very narrow. What with a very broad, such as AVCHD has come out already in previous versions of the various manufacturer Viewed whose files to each other as "compatible" were that not all of an AND NLE same or different could be processed.
So such a change a "default" nothing s.der current situation, except that now the various manifestations under a common name can occur.
Antwort von Quadruplex:
Sonyand SD card? very unwarscheinlich .... Na: The phones they are - probably due to pressure of Ericsson - have jumped on their shadows ...
Antwort von WoWu:
... unfortunately, are all "guests" not to know that your hiding behind anonymity ...
ie: @ guest
The procedure has a HDCAM of these guests brought into play.
... you complain to him.
@ Guest 2
Cars are for safety reasons at Tempo 250 is limited.
@ Gast 3
What is telling you there without any facts not to perform ... what you talking about? What you tell since AVC is without substance. Since only helps to read .. read .. read ..
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Antwort von Beethoven69:
Guest 2 ... @
Cars are for safety reasons at Tempo 250 is limited.
False - there are plenty of cars, not mass-limited (usually the right are Nobel sled or sports) can only be just for "minorities" were built, because the "Otto-Normal consumers" have no use for 250 kmh has.
Ever thought that maybe your AVCHD synonymous so hard to do because many people no longer stand on the "higher, faster, next", or simply
impractical compartment of
your Chinese are annoyed and therefore prefer to use what they know (tape ) and what has been proven?
Antwort von WoWu:
.. nothing prevents you to slow cars to drive, to use tape or not to read threads that annoy you ... or its contents you do not understand (jargon).
Antwort von Quadruplex:
(..) Or simply impractical compartment of your Chinese are annoyed (..) Thank you! Especially when the relevance of this subject for the Chinese daily low to even non-existent.
For amateur filmmakers counts that their material as possible without Neukodieren and edit on a cheap medium can distribute. For professionals are consumer camcorders Spielkram - if not the content counts, not send the pictures of 'its 1000-Euro-HDV - yet - AVCHD Camera. The fact that a format theoretically slightly better correlated with broadcast standards, is something of sausage ... This synonymous change page long essays verschwurbelte nix.
Antwort von Beethoven69:
... because I give you right .... the new format, which you really should leave the plants on their synonymous can see the differences. Because no difference if you can find one the best uses Resolutionund the presentation really artefaktfreiste nix.
Since you have absolutely right.
Antwort von wolfgang:
... clearly, you are absolutely right. So my advice is always synonymous yes, even half a year to wait. But it helps of course not, the purchase must now penetrate.
Because of this thread anyway once again slip into the nirvana of futility - I could not avoid it, on this record times to force a laugh whenever advised is still half a year to wait, if synonymous around in a year will come, nor half a year to wait - well, then buy one anyway never was ...
:)))
Sorry, does not mean bad - but just today I once again AVC material of a new Samsung HDV1 Resolutiongetestet - and are tested in 720 50p. Wow, finally someone with 720 50p - I thought.
And then you can import the material is - at least in Vegas 8th But not even on a quad synonymous only approximately from the timeline and play virtually no cutting. Edius kanns did not import. It is with the new developments just to despair. That's why I remain a fan of mpeg2 ... and am open to what it really comes.
Details on the Samsung case, including source material:
http://videotreffpunkt.com/thread.php?threadid=4357
Antwort von Beethoven69:
"The consumer sector has also decided ....
The chip sector is in the millions with DSP's and is strong in the delivery, no preference whether Fuji, Texas Instr., NEC .... you name it!
Fuji is building next to the AVC DSPs Transcoderchips amounts in millions of MPEG2 after H.264 ... " For this quote just one comment: the quantity of chips produced does not say much, because the electronics industry in the past always been mega flops for good and was not too rare.
Antwort von Beethoven69:
(..) Or simply impractical compartment of your Chinese are annoyed (..)
Thank you! Especially when the relevance of this subject for the Chinese daily low to not exist ... Attention - Irony ...
Why so narrow-minded?
Since you have as a "consumer" but the possibility of large industrial times to finally show what you want instead ;-) and to rejoice that you s.so Cross-something like the future "all-round standard" can contribute schmoll You .. .
And then you can import the material is - at least in Vegas 8th But not even on a quad synonymous only approximately from the timeline and play virtually no cutting. Edius kanns did not import. It is with the new developments just to despair. That's why I remain a fan of mpeg2 ... and am open to what it really comes.
Synonymous and that will not discourage
him, next to slogans Durchhaltevermögen AVCHD to propagate ... according to the motto: we have lost this battle, the war, but we can still win ...
Antwort von wolfgang:
Synonymous and that will not discourage him, next to slogans Durchhaltevermögen AVCHD to propagate ... according to the motto: we have lost this battle, the war, but we can still win ... Guest, I think even that AVC medium to long term, the greater potential. Ists, but still not developed, that is the problem.
And Who you with "him" do - so I can imagine ...
;)
Antwort von Beethoven69:
By mid-May, everything is developed in accordance with (lol)
Antwort von Jan:
Quadruplex because I slept well.
Sony mobile phone already with Micro SD card? Yes the card is now used almost every new cell phone. If I had not thought that Sonydie M2 card einmottet ......
VG
Jan
Antwort von Quadruplex:
(..) And instead to rejoice that you s.so Cross-something like the future "all-round standard" can contribute schmoll You ... That was good ...
Synonymous and that will not discourage him, next to slogans Durchhaltevermögen AVCHD to propagate ... The medium might even ER right. Currently, I see really nothing that speaks for AVCHD. And that may just be a few years before it funzt clever.
But forecasts are notoriously difficult particularly when they relate to the future and that is why I resist another coffee sentence reading. What really surprised me, however, is that he is long overdue, the theoretical chances and limits of various codecs and elaborated on the Basics provides.
Both codecs in question are designed asymmetrically - the intelligence is in the encoders. Should read: Even with identical Optics / chip can (totally standard) encoder of the superior format, or rather mediocre quality - which makes it practical implementation.
And, um's still trite to make: On a practical Kauftip (or warning) is part of the entire camcorder - image converter lenses and go in the immediate quality of the secondary virtues, such as Connections and Handling decide on the practicality. I have recently times with 'nem FUllHD projector and HDV recording rumprobiert: Most were not any artifacts on the evil, but that the camcorder seems to be' ne average Optics has - the picture was sometimes just not totally sharp. This is not based on a 42-inch, but on a two-meter canvas.
As long as such problems in practice, the most serious include theroetische debates on the pros-cons of the codecs unmd but rather in the ivory tower ...
Antwort von Bernd E.:
To once again to the actual topic of the thread back on in this context already mentioned several http://ieba.wordpress.com Home is now a 25-minute online video, which - plus product photos - the official presentation of the two new Sony HDV at an American trade show displays . Juan Martinez of Sonyschildert to include some technical background, describes the properties Lowlight and explains why these models Sonybei CF cards, the PMW-EX1 SxS but uses Express Cards. Here is the link to the video:
http://ieba.wordpress.com/2007/11/29/ieba-presents-sony-seminar-hvr-s270-hvr-z7u / # more-363
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
Occasionally worth a visit even on youtube: The Link
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=4cL7zYZIHNo&feature=related
and in four of weiterverlinkten there are English-language films videos of the Sony HDV-promotional DVD about the current novelties HVR-S270, HVR-Z7 and HVR-M35 can be seen.
Gruß Bernd E.
