Frage von charly76:
Hi,
I stand before a small problem. We're going on 2 weeks after Sweden and the end of the year is having children. At the moment I take my videos with a mini-DV camcorder to (; SonyDCR-TRV19E). Do this now since 2-3 weeks more funny business, and viewfinder screen is suddenly brighter, until it is completely white.
The risk of a complete failure on holiday I am a little too high, so now decided to purchase a new short term.
In the first short list, just because of the current price and the very good test reports, I had the Canon HF10 / HF200. But I think the low light videos something frighteningly worse and what I think the stuttering when panning camera. Sowas I know of our current Sonynicht:
HF200 Outdoor Indoor HF200 Now I have read in a review that the Panasonic HDC-SD300 and SonyXR500/520 this problem does not have as strong. In particular, the Panasonic is highlighted as a positive. Among the test videos found, it is warzunehmen at least for the XR520 is not so strong, but is synonymous always depend, is how quickly pivoted to the Camera. From the Panasonic, I have not found anything meaningful.
Can anyone confirm? At the lowlight of the Panasonic divorced so the ghosts, in a review of the SD300 is seen even before the XR500 and the next, the lowlight behavior is totally broken.
At the Sonygefallen me the lack of settings and not the Autofouks I have to make too sharp a long time, at least in the Saturn market.
What would you recommend?
Application area:
Holiday Videos
Family videos (and even now of my 3 nieces, nephew and hopefully + 1 healthy offspring in our November / December)
Videos of my model building hobby (; RC Cars)
Have I perhaps overlooked an alternative? Max budget is so in to ¬ 1000. Which reminds me like a better price of the HF10 / HF200;)
Thank you + Greeting
Charly76
PS: How does the fact of panning the camera with the Canon HV30 HDV Cams / HV40 or SonyHC9E?
Antwort von actaion:
Have I perhaps overlooked an alternative? Max budget is so in to ¬ 1000. Which reminds me like a better price of the HF10 / HF200;)
Yes, this alternative solution is: http://geizhals.at/deutschland/a234021.html
According Testergebniseen very good picture, well suited for panning, fast auto focus. Only in low light, they should not be so outstanding (, but) still Night shot as an option. Worse than your present but probably not, because after all, the sensor is actually a bit larger.
Zudemsehr cost: less than ¬ 500 at the moment and saves on cost (; mini-) blank DVDs (; photos to stick).
As far as lowlight, is the Sony500/520 but as a top, and the SD300 synonymous as well. Only the HF 200 is not to be so good (; worse) than the HF100 because a smaller sensor.
Hence, when low-light has a very high Piroität, and cost less, take the 500/520 or SD300. When Du was cheaper still synonymous with good, looking very good image quality in daylight, would be the one UX7 price / performance tip.
Antwort von charly76:
Thanks for the quick reply.
DVD camcorders, I do not think so much. The quality may be good, just not as much as it fits up the blanks and gave me a too short life expectancy. Some of my backup blanks are just overwhelmed with reading errors. 've All my DVDs and CDs, stored on hard drive.
Dan, I'll probably bite the bullet and buy me the XR500 or HDC-SD300, I need to compare in the store again directly.
Antwort von actaion:
DVD camcorders, I do not think so much. The quality may be good, just not as much as it fits up the blanks and gave me a too short life expectancy. Some of my backup blanks are just overwhelmed with reading errors. 've All my DVDs and CDs, stored on hard drive. Do you think that), an internal HDD of a camcorder (; or synonymous eien external HDD has a longer life expectancy?
Probably not, quite the contrary. Additional protection so you can make synonymous anyway. I find therefore not really an argument.
That with the limited recording time per disc, but true, of course.
I did not synonymous say that DVDs are better than HDD or memory cards. But the trend is toward an issue, however, and get the DVD camcorder out of fashion, some obsolete model have now very cheap, and of therefore imho quite interesting.
The SonyCX11 be synonymous still cheaper than the 500, and synonymous not bad, but the auto focus will not always be so accurately, according to a test.
Antwort von AndreasBloechl:
I stood facing the same problem and had me s.Samstag the HF10 ordered. In Lowlight I do not think it worse than the SD300, and the price, yes, yes you the points.
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
PS: How does the fact of panning the camera with the Canon HV30 HDV Cams / HV40 or SonyHC9E? It looks good!
Antwort von charly76:
@ Bruno Peter
If the camera moves about with an old mini-DV to compare?
@ AndreasBloechl
When HF10/100/20/200 I have my Bendenken. I think because I'm annoyed at the recordings usually, at least when I take the example of downloadable video clips on the Comparison.
@ actaion
The CX11 I'll look at it again, being in the meantime risen sharply in price.
Hard disks do not last forever synonymous, had been synonymous with defective one or the other;). My backup strategy, I have changed because of my defective DVD backups since the beginning of the year. The videos and images are available on my PC and this is backed up every night of a Windows Home Server, which automatically runs in the background, in addition, I have swapped out all the homemade DVD / CDs to the server and the burned DVD / CDs disposed, synonymous yet saving a lot place. The important data such as digital images are also on the server on a 2nd Hard disks mirrored - if they exist only on the server.
Mir gehts especially when the camera pans to the RC car shots as you move the camera always hold:
(; The videos were taken with my camera, I have not filmed, was only of cut me because I'm driving with my car each) Team Associated SC10 Team Associatec RC8T Brushless Conversion
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
If the camera moves about with an old mini-DV to compare? They are obviously better quality, just as I do them.
I clearly do not know how you make them.
Antwort von AndreasBloechl:
I had the CX11 synonymous much in sight. But everywhere I have been advised to the Canon HF10, not only here synonymous in various fora. So then my decision and it is synonymous still good 200Euro cheaper.
And the ticket prices should not be overlooked synonymous. I just hope I made a mistake. Here at the Camera synonymous tests they did well.
Antwort von charly76:
The HF10/100 is priced around 600 ¬ destined ne super camera, probably with the best. Was indeed in almost every magazine test winner. And if the camera is moving too quickly, it will already be well. The videos are indeed synonymous s.sich a very good quality.
The video of the top "HF200 Outdoor sees" yes from class, but when the camera is moving quickly to jump the trees / houses through the Picture. And this scares me from evil.
Let's see what today's market, so have the Saturn, would pack up times two memory cards (; Memory Stick and SD) and ne mini-DV cassette.
Of the HDV devices, I'm not quite gone, would have the advantage that I can watch my old tapes still synonymous. The ready-cut holiday videos are all backed up on the tapes. Another advantage would be the easier cutting and editing. Archival storage on tape is supposed to be able to survive a few years / decades, if there are more players in 10 years for it ...
At a pinch, if I can not decide, it will be for the holidays again ne cheap SD Mini-DV Camera;) and then during the course of a new HD camcorder.
Antwort von AndreasBloechl:
And you think that have, for example, the CX11 AVCHD cams and other not so pronounced? I can not imagine even DiscoveryHD (; provides premiere) is in the pan every now and then blur and artifacts are probably of the HD cams. I think the problem is currently any HD Cam. Synonymous but can not be wrong.
Antwort von charly76:
Hi,
it was yesterday in the electric "professional" market, and could at least 3 models with (try your own memory card, HF200, CX11, and the XR520). The Panasonic was as synonymous, but the alarm was stuck so bad that it was impossible for the slot for the SD card to open.
The CX11 has not promised to me. Even better I liked the HF200, pretty small, handy, various settings to achieve all good. The third, I then had the XR520 in hand, made a very good impression of the image stabilizer am very pleased, processing and handling as well. Touch screen not I find so wrong, just to manually select the focus frame.
Once home, I put the cards straight into the PS3 and compared. Therefore I have selected the files directly / manual and pans with the HF200 was jolting to see a clear, formally objects to jump through the picture. On the PC, it looks as synonymous.
In the XR520, the jerking is synonymous available, but much weaker.
And now comes the only thing I do not understand. When I am in the video menu of the PS3 does not directly select the files, but press on the memory play, the PS3 plays the movies after the series. And here is synonymous with
None of the images to see the smallest jerking / jumping in the video. The recordings are played 1a.
Unfortunately this works only with the videos taken off the market. The downloaded demo files in the MTS format I can play only s.der PS3 Manual.
Perhaps one else there knows what works?
In any case, the question of which model it is now resolved in the short term. After lengthy discussions and forth, I have yet again opted for a camera with tape. In business, almost never getting any more, only in the larger markets, they still had the HV40 (;) with 1000 ¬ too expensive and the market in the past I had today abgeklapptert, you still had a SonyHC9E (, 799 ¬) and one HV30 ( , are 790 ¬). Were each the last HC7 and HC5 were synonymous (still on the shelf, HC5, and HC7 = 900 ¬ = 700 ¬). Test reports of the HV30 and HC9 I had already swallowed some. I just got it because of better processing and better because it is in my hand, opted for the SonyHC9E.
This was primarily for me now, the easier processing of the videos, play continues to be a possibility of my mini-DV tapes and the securing of the films on mini DV.
Thanks for the help.
Greeting Charly76
Antwort von AndreasBloechl:
That would be just before Christmas has become almost synonymous my cam. But I wanted some way of the bands due to the capture path. Always the dub 1:1 seems a very and not at all. But otherwise I think you've done nothing wrong, I have an HDV synonymous Sonygenommen clearly there because of the problems with various bands as are the Canon simply are not as pronounced. The Canon do not want all the tapes and the cassette drive would be better processed according to various posts of Sonysynonymous. To what extent is true but I can not say, unfortunately, only my TRV33 now holds since 2002 without any funny business.
Antwort von Yerri:
But I wanted some way of the bands due to the capture path. Could be synonymous to put yourself back then yearn .* g *
Well let's wait s.bis your new toy is at home.
Antwort von AndreasBloechl:
I have the new toy, but still need a protective filter on it then can really really get going. I do not want grand test it now because I want to always leave the filter on it, not yet much dust (front and behind the blades, penetrating lens) and I will always have this behind the filter.
But anyway, the trend is clearly away from the tape, some synonymous Manufacturer Sonybringen nothing new longer with tape. Since you have been lucky anyway, because we can muster at the Saturn, Expert, and synonymous MM HC9 no more.
Antwort von charly76:
Jo was synonymous Fortunately, last week Monday or Tuesday was the HC9 still the normal price in the Saturn market s.Freitag in sales for 799 ¬. Since I had been thinking. Only at the time I had never read anything about the Camera and I am reluctant to buy off the cat in the bag;) Tuesday morning, she was of course already. All the more delighted I was, which was still one in the MM. That was sort of hint with the fence post:)
By dubbing the tapes I have no problems, I just casually let go. Simple and beautiful would be a memory / hard drive. Too bad it's not possible to record in addition to the flash cards.
Antwort von AndreasBloechl:
Man can not have it all. I have considered synonymous for a long time and hope to have made a mistake. I've always been looking for and again and again all the pre and cons and let me everything going through your head. The backup on tape would of course be the best, but if I think I have of my pictures so do not synonymous. I can not stand safely on meheren boards and think that I survive a disk crash without further ado.
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
I just got it because of better processing and better because it is in my hand, opted for the SonyHC9E. That is, the rich variety of manual functions and higher Luminanzauflösung without moire and without CA as the HV30 is not even standing in the foreground.
Antwort von Dojokun:
To the point with the PS3. For us in the PS3 forum, we discuss sowas like. It seems that the PS3 is sometimes referred to as 720p, the video again, though admitted in 1080i.
Which one now cause maybe the jerk, I know not synonymous.
A system when that happens, we have not yet recognized.
Antwort von AndreasBloechl:
I just got it because of better processing and better because it is in my hand, opted for the SonyHC9E.
That is, the rich variety of manual functions and higher Luminanzauflösung without moire and without CA as the HV30 is not even standing in the foreground. Do you think that the HV30 in the superior of your target score of synonymous HF10?
Antwort von pilskopf:
I just got it because of better processing and better because it is in my hand, opted for the SonyHC9E.
That is, the rich variety of manual functions and higher Luminanzauflösung without moire and without CA as the HV30 is not even standing in the foreground. In what variety of functions for the Canon beats the HC9? Would really interest me. So I think the HV30 really really great, really superhot Picture.
