Frage von nixda:
Hello everybody!
The first briefly riess Thanks s.alle recorder here in the forum and s.das Slahcam team. Me since I read a few weeks in the theme of "camcorder" a Ushi and is arguably one of the best addresses in DE area.
Now the real problem: There is no camera for me (?)!
Am I alone or do I have to exotic ideas? I started shooting times ...
For me as a potential opportunity curious amateur filmmaker, I was looking for a camcorder,
- What I can afford (under ideal 1k euro, perhaps for emergency synonymous to 1.5 k. ..)
- Which I at times synonymous Shooting (via Tripod) of a robin in the garden fence to the neighbor filming can (brightness, zoom, manual focus),
- What is equal to memory card recording (SDHC... Because of the handling)
- But please synonymous with HD resolution ... records. Eventually comes synonymous such a "goggle-box" into the house and it would be so beautiful ... (and yes, a sharp cut-PC you need for H.264, ok)
Ok, that's it. I find such a camcorder not. Have a shot because I waffle s.der what my wishes are?
Reply certainly: Yes, because
- Sowas gibts only about 2k euros and
- Almost exclusively on mini Dv otherwise as synonymous.
In the past, "I read of interesting cams. Panasonics NV GS-400, who has more money (te ).... DVC30 .... ok, but since it was already too "expensive".
Now I have test reports and forums and everything possible over Canons HF10/HF100 read, the Sony SR11 ..., Panasonics SD100 ... but yes, you can forget everything I just may be home free SR11. Yes the car with the Focus and Manual Focus and impossible Lichtschwaeche this? Total unusable.
Would have less SD100 Only manual focus, but the image quality (Lichtschwaeche. .. Farbunechtheit ...) and oh, me too weak Zoom!
Can not something like a NV-GS400 "new hang up" (yes, it was synonymous others)?
I am with my desires for a simple but solid cam in the "lower" price segment as alone? I my ... I have since one-3k camcorder buy, if I dim light synonymous with what the wishes or Focus synonymous times itself under Kotrolle keep?
I think just because a DVC30 needed to buy. And then just PAL ... and Mini-DV ... the camcorder safely eat far too good for me. And yet he has no resolution and no HD Aufnahmemgl to SDHC ...
Am I in the wrong movie?
Best Regards and with curiosity, obs are still out there are others with a camcorder with fewer frills-looking car, but with little light / image quality adjustment and manual operated ...
Stephan, Stegen
Antwort von deti:
"Low-Light 'behavior and autofocus, the Canon HG / HF Series marginally better than the SonySR series.
If you the latest products in this price class do not inspire, then perhaps the SonyPMW EX-3 something for you. The much less noisy, but not so great AutoFocus. In addition, this camera is not synonymous for "small pockets" - the other credit cards do so synonymous little space ;-)
In short: If you like the quality in this class (~ 1000 ¬) is not good, then I would stop looking and the money in times of recession, save for more important things.
Deti
Antwort von meawk:
Purchase dir ne Canon SX1 IS, so you can at schumrigem light (you will be surprised on the low-light capabilities), the Focus on the MF button in conjunction with the dial very nicely for themselves, thou hast ne 1920x1080, a WW, which may be s.nennen etc., etc.
It costs about 0.5 k (500 euros).
And while you can still make very good photos with up to 10Mio pixels - synonymous during the video shoot. Oh and of course anything with SDHC memory card. What do more?
Antwort von nixda:
Uff!
You know, this is really not so interesting because what you're saying! I see my device even closer at times ...
Hey, thank you! :)
Antwort von Rolf Hankel:
Hello everybody!
The first briefly riess Thanks to all the writer here in the forum and to the Slahcam team. Me since I read a few weeks in the theme of "camcorder" one among others and here is arguably one of the best addresses in DE area.
Now the real problem: There is no camera for me (?)!
Am I alone or do I have to exotic ideas? I started shooting times ...
For me as a potential opportunity curious amateur filmmaker, I was looking for a camcorder,
- What I can afford (under ideal 1k euro, perhaps for emergency synonymous to 1.5 k. ..)
- Which I at times synonymous Shooting (via Tripod) of a robin in the garden fence to the neighbor filming can (brightness, zoom, manual focus),
- What is equal to memory card recording (SDHC... Because of the handling)
- But please synonymous with HD resolution ... records. Eventually comes synonymous such a "goggle-box" into the house and it would be so beautiful ... (and yes, a sharp cut-PC you need for H.264, ok)
Ok, that's it. I find such a camcorder not. Do I have a shot at the waffle, what are my desires?
Reply certainly: Yes, because
- Sowas gibts only about 2k euros and
- Almost exclusively on mini Dv otherwise as synonymous.
In the past, "I read of interesting cams. Panasonics NV GS-400, who has more money (te ).... DVC30 .... ok, but since it was already too "expensive".
Now I have test reports and forums and everything possible over Canons HF10/HF100 read, the Sony SR11 ..., Panasonics SD100 ... but yes, you can forget everything I just may be home free SR11. Yes the car with the Focus and Manual Focus and impossible Lichtschwaeche this? Total unusable.
Would have less SD100 Only manual focus, but the image quality (Lichtschwaeche. .. Farbunechtheit ...) and oh, me too weak Zoom!
Can not something like a NV-GS400 "new hang up" (yes, it was synonymous others)?
I am with my desires for a simple but solid cam in the "lower" price segment as alone? I my ... I have since one-3k camcorder buy, if I dim light synonymous with what the wishes or Focus synonymous times itself under Kotrolle keep?
I think just because a DVC30 needed to buy. And then just PAL ... and Mini-DV ... the camcorder safely eat far too good for me. And yet he has no resolution and no HD Aufnahmemgl to SDHC ...
Am I in the wrong movie?
Best Regards and with curiosity, obs are still out there are others with a camcorder with fewer frills-looking car, but with little light / image quality adjustment and manual operated ...
Stephan, Stegen Hello
You speak with me. I have 2 GS 400, would like high resolution film and what's currently on the market?, Just toys. The image quality of the cams is good (last time was with a
Canon HF 100 film), but the handling: NO viewfinders for me this is already the Co for this camera, manual setting is a single fumbling, so I'll stick nee strictly for my cams.
But today is Lottotag and then buy me NEN Henkelmann.
Gruss Rolf
Antwort von meawk:
Uff!
You know, this is really not so interesting because what you're saying! I see my device even closer at times ...
Hey, thank you! :) Make that, I can really recommend - is not part of the innovation. For me, one of the hits in 2008.
And watch out if you get the part when anschaust Dealers. Some do not know how to get the 1080p enabled (?!): upper-left corner of the back in the movie mode "widescreen" button, then the 1080p Resolutionaktiviert.
The only drawback for me at The Camera is the energy supply: Four AA batteries (ok - I've bought rechargeable etc., is not the big problem).
Antwort von Suroos:
Purchase dir ne Canon SX1 IS, so you can at schumrigem light (you will be surprised on the low-light capabilities), the Focus on the MF button in conjunction with the dial very nicely for themselves, thou hast ne 1920x1080, a WW, which may be s.nennen etc., etc.
It costs about 0.5 k (500 euros).
And while you can still make very good photos with up to 10Mio pixels - synonymous during the video shoot. Oh and of course anything with SDHC memory card. What do more? Do you really? :-O
A digital camera instead of a normal HD camcorder?
Antwort von meawk:
Do you really? :-O
A digital camera instead of a normal HD camcorder? yep - no if and but. That part is awesome. The superb picture quality, etc., etc. Just the low-light capabilities and WW are the real value of it, the camera a "normal" camcorder preferable.
Only s.Rande times: I have three weeks with a brand new Canon HG21 returned, because I of the Low-Light-F. and of many others and was disappointed to have eagerly waited SX1 IS. And that was true. I would always do. The 500 are the best investment of 2008 was. And as I said - cool photos yet incidentally or vice versa.
meawk
Antwort von nixda:
Hallole!
Meanwhile I have the web for a couple of videos with the SX1 sought. For youtube you will find quite as ...
Under the title 'Canon PowerShot SX1 IS "Jelly Movie" HD "is this sample video:
As I understand, the optical Image Stabilization of the reason that here at the whole picture panning herumeiert (do not know how the jargon for this is? Jelly?).
In any case, I would now seriously interested to know whether the Image Stabilization in the form of adjustment is that this effect at the Cam Pan not so drastically fails, as shown here.
Meawk, you have this already a few tests with the SX1 can make? What do you too because this ugly Effect?
Thank you for your efforts in advance,
Stephan
Antwort von domain:
This was with the Image Stabilization vermutlicht nothing to do.
There is a current feature of almost all CMOS sensors, the pixels are not abruptly but only can read sequentially. During this selection period may be the real picture but a little further, and will move accordingly so synonymous shown (RSE, ie Rolling Shutter Effect referred to German slotted shutter effect).
Antwort von deti:
... being shown on the video looks pretty fierce.
I suspect that the readout speed for a 10MPixel sensor is smaller than for 3MPixel sensors of video cameras. This would enable the RS-effect more visible.
Presumably, a camera currently hold but still not a complete video camera. In my opinion there is synonymous s.schnellen and secure auto target, and an external microphone input with manual audio control. Nevertheless, the concept well in the past 2-3 years, Still Image and video cameras to replace.
Deti
Antwort von nixda:
Hello domain
thanks for the info / Ausklärung! I did this time and then this gegoogelt something "fairer" video found. Ok, the problem can already be found, but I'm positive ussehr of the Lowlighteigenschaften impressed!
Srcollt but at times about 2:25 min and look at the times. For a "Still Image" of less than 500 euros ...? Respekt!
Grüße, Stephan
Antwort von meawk:
Hallole!
In any case, I would now seriously interested to know whether the Image Stabilization in the form of adjustment is that this effect at the Cam Pan not so drastically fails, as shown here.
Meawk, you have this already a few tests with the SX1 can make? What do you too because this ugly Effect?
Thank you for your efforts in advance,
Stephan Not yet, but I'll do - only those who swings during the filming so crazy and out quickly and her - I do not. Werd times daily look at how much of the "Rolling Shutter" under normal conditions (host behavior) effect and then take a small clip inside represent. I have yet something in the "normal" film still had icht. In the HG21, which is what I've returned, I had a perceivable synonymous Rolling Shutter note, if I'm out and her gerammelt hab. But synonymous with the camera - if you normally swings, it's m. M. negligible. To find what you want, then I find synonymous with the XL-series was, but whom I write that?!
And moreover, the autofocus is sauschnell "m. M. Maybe the first tree at the MF button and then had only the "fixed focus" back off. It is synonymous so much wrong (eg the AF synonymous incorrectly set...).
meawk
@ Stephen: I do not see the link, you have to be deleted?
@ Deti: The AF is "sauschnell", which of the HG21 was neither faster nor better. In the near-(macro) of the AF area is the SX1 IS to lengths better than the AF of the HG21. With the lack of input micro geb ich dir right, which is the only drawback, which I currently can detect (but for me Is not of crucial importance, since I often without sound and with music background or finish nachvertone).
Antwort von domain:
I am with my desires for a simple but solid cam in the "lower" price segment as alone? I my ... I have since one-3k camcorder buy, if I dim light synonymous with what the wishes or Focus synonymous times itself under Kotrolle keep?
With the desire're certainly not alone, but the div-Cam Manufacturer Of course, market studies already synonymous and act accordingly.
Viewfinder example: I myself use synonymous with the FX1 the viewfinders really only at the display for low light situations and is of simple reasons. Firstly, the viewfinders with Tripod impractical anyway (you can see so synonymous with all cameras in the TV studio) and secondly, I appreciate the overall picture assessment, similar to the assessment of the historical Mattscheibe Rolleiflex on everything. It is much faster and better the overall composition of the picture and judge them accordingly.
So I believe the lack of a proper viewfinder in the amateur sector fairly easy to get over, especially as cell phones and today almost all Digiknipsen not even come along with optical viewfinder. It used to simply s.gewisse things and they are beginning to be normal and standard.
Furthermore, time and again the argument of the manual operation brought. This is also for amateurs to 90% uninteresting, because they are more likely with each attempt the manual Picture deteriorate than to improve.
Moreover, a large zoom range is also uninteresting, but it depends on a good wide angle s.and not the X-zoom, starting with normal focal length.
Furthermore, in almost all consumer camcorders, the light sensitivity is so good that desires only in the extreme area remain open.
Have recently a lot of night shots with the JVC HD40 in Sharm el Sheikh done perfectly, strong colors, low noise and so it is up to the color separation was equal to the FX1, roars and even less is absolutely no comparison to my former SonyHC1.
So what more could you want in the amateur and of which we speak here, yes.
Antwort von nixda:
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@ Stephen: I do not see the link, you have to be deleted?
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Oops - what have I done since? Here it is ...:
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=LVzA9SS_2hQ
As I said: So s.2min there is something (good) shots regarding Lowlighteigenschaft. The author kilimats02 youtube synonymous has other very interesting films in it. For example, the manual focus synonymous here smells very fine:
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=b-SaA3HZOrM&feature=related
Antwort von meawk:
Jo - thank Stepahn.
But my question is - the camera is a Lowlight Kracher and the capabilities are simply awesome.
meawk
Antwort von nixda:
Hello domain
With the desire're certainly not alone, but the div-Cam Manufacturer Of course, market studies already synonymous and act accordingly.
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Yes, I think the absolute. And as synonymous fits sowas adding: On the weekend we had a visit. Our visitor had their new digicam and the times I asked out of curiosity, what matters for you at Purchase were crucial. She said, "the appearance and the megapixels.". Actually, she would like a different cam in red had like ...
For example, you will naturally have beautiful photos. She knows but not synonymous, which is an aperture or exposure time. "Normal User" halt, fully justified and ok, that for someone so Cameras developed and sold!
Furthermore, time and again the argument of the manual operation brought. This is also for amateurs to 90% uninteresting, because they are more likely with each attempt the manual Picture deteriorate than to improve.
Ack, but precisely because of the start area in which what I want to do. Manual easy to use Focus is the must have. Starting with the fact that I am in an aquarium inside and I want to film the perch through the jungle is not a car with Focus can follow. Or really just the bird on the fence or the tree: With so many branches, etc. .. because it is lucky that the AutoFocus the "thinks" what I think.
I've s.and s.viel photographed, filmed, I have virtually not yet. But how often do I use the manual focus ... very often. Not because I am better than the automatic bin, but because I was more than the automatic wants. Oh, the bees in the Zuchiniblüte, that was synonymous so what: The Blütendrichter is really deep. And in the middle is the big punch and as the bees crawl inside. The AutoFocus has perhaps ne chance of 1 / 10, the degree that he is sharp, what I want to see.
Moreover, a large zoom range is also uninteresting, but it depends on a good wide angle s.and not the X-zoom, starting with normal focal length.
And synonymous because you've certainly right when the large mass / watch buyers: Are you more than 10x, watch the film verwackeltstend and "stupid" movies together. After complaining they are still in the shop, that the film is "bad" looks, as everything wobbles (I once imaginative). And yes, even 10x can hardly lift it more times. I remember because when photographing s.die sayings: "more than n 30tel not lift" (clearly, all relative, because things are changing synonymous / numbers, thanks to techn. Progress ...).
But, my back but I want the camcorder is synonymous times over the tripod screw. I lived here aufm Land and our cat is already the most interesting forays out there. 16x to 20x optical zoom, that takes me.
Furthermore, in almost all consumer camcorders, the light sensitivity is so good that desires only in the extreme area remain open.
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Since missing me honestly just a lot of experience, what for how much money here as a realistic 1k euro area can be expected. I have only to play a Sony SR12 of straight at home. And this performance gives me something to lean, it is not "bad", but too skinny: If I unpack the evening and the camcorder in our home movies, then it is easy to me Griesel. I had to Comparison quite short (a short evening) a Canon XM2 elderly at home. Lowlight Their performance would fit me.
Your JVC HD40 I do not know, I have little anlesen times. Perhaps there are synonymous Panasonic NEN 2009 of little big brother to the SD100. With 1 / 4 "sensors ... bischen s.den correct colors ... and n 16x drauf. That's it then I know.
In terms of wide-angle: Because you can easily but synonymous drauf ne Lens front screws. (Can be synonymous for Tele ... * think *).
And jepp, we talk of Amateurberei
Antwort von meawk:
One more thing: If the above video of kilimats02 with a 5D II would have been had a lot of very thick and with the highest praise, etc. Here it is "only" a Powershot SX1 IS and the confused, the community has immensely. And you get less than 500 euros - "what can not be can not be" or something. . .
Personally, I've myself thinking of this for some time adopted me and look quite closely at what I buy. Without a personal test, I do not buy more.
Incidentally, with the 5D II would be the video is not so nice for people, with a view of the auto - that's a fact.
And what a brand new camcorder has this low-light capabilities (?) - None! That I could so with the HG21 and the brand itself Pana 3CCD noted. Similar scenes - like the Kilimats02in of osLink - in these light conditions were totally vergrieselt.
And he Oberhammer - full manual control in video mode: So filming for AV preset aperture, shutter-TV, and even MV-setting and everything manual control - ISO synonymous. And all that you can then check with histogram.
There are drawbacks, such as the lack of micro connector and AA battery power is not significant.
meawk
Antwort von domain:
Ack, but precisely because of the start area in which what I want to do. Manual easy to use Focus is the must have. Starting with the fact that I am in an aquarium inside and I want to film the perch through the jungle is not a car with Focus can follow. Or really just the bird on the fence or the tree: With so many branches, etc. .. because it is lucky that the AutoFocus the "thinks" what I think.
Understand you completely, but it goes in the ring with FX1 fairly well with the HD40 and actually synonymous quite satisfactory: Display on SW with edges display sharpness.
Then "Yoystick" button and in the sequence, you can stick with the exercise (right-left) within about 3 seconds of all the sharp areas in the SW-bright display with choice of red or andersfärbigen edges abgrasen.
