Frage von schlappen:
Hello Beloved,
I am well aware that there is already a few threads on Tripods there, so please refer me, not necessarily immediately on other topics in this forum.
I am currently in the process of looking for upcoming video-times my money and equip them would like my Money synonymous but are reluctant to throw out the window, especially since there are so many things there that I would gladly growth. My budget is at the moment but unfortunately, quite tight and so I would like the best of it really.
I have already all sorts of threads Tripod read and so I am always on some Tripods pushed the names Velbon DV7000 Bilora and 936 bear. Also on the models Slik504 and Libec TH-M20, I became aware of this. As you now surely have noted, everything in the cheapest models around the ¬ 100 mark. In addition, I have found the Matthews M25.
Times I have tried to test me footage recorded with the tripod-view and have to confess that for me to read all the advert for the broad disillusionment Tripods quickly made. Somehow, I had too high expectations of the swivel heads that if synonymous outset of the price at which pretty much would have to be excluded. I'm probably too spoiled with Sachtlerstativen of shooting, for my money but unfortunately not enough.
Now my question:
Have shots with the tripod as
http://vimeo.com/2016518 ,
http://vimeo.com/2493916
Antwort von beiti:
Have just viewed the first video, and this was clearly with a very long focal added (presumably as a hardness test). With long focal lengths is extremely difficult Pan, synonymous with Sachtler heads. The result is then a lot with the know how of the filmmaker to do, important is a steady hand and a well-adapted tripod cushioning.
Antwort von WideScreen:
So after I saw the pictures, it surprised me that so many speak so positively about the Tripod. Absolutely Professional somebody said. man man man .... But for the price you can expect nothing so synonymous. But yes it is summer and I need a tripod for my grill ....
Antwort von beiti:
So now I Velbon times in defense (the other two I can not say). I was trying the predecessor model, the DV -6000 (so even a smaller number than the DV7000), and the swivel had excellent properties.
Just because a Stümper a few test shots with poorly adjusted damping done smoothly and has compressed (self-propelled cars in the background Jerkiness - that allows the tripod head is really nothing), still says nothing about the qualities of head and tripod.
It can not be said often enough: It is primarily focused on film, not on equipment.
Antwort von KSProduction:
So now I Velbon times in defense (the other two I can not say). I was trying the predecessor model, the DV -6000 (so even a smaller number than the DV7000), and the swivel had excellent properties.
Just because a Stümper a few test shots with poorly adjusted damping done smoothly and has compressed (self-propelled cars in the background Jerkiness - that allows the tripod head is really nothing), still says nothing about the qualities of head and tripod.
It can not be said often enough: It is primarily focused on film, not on equipment. Velbon DV7000 I can fully recommend. a top part!
you get to the 100 euro.
Antwort von schlappen:
Pardon, if perhaps incorrectly arrived. I wanted to be here now no one in the tie come. Sure, you can of a video not to close all other results. Therefore my question is yes synonymous, obs probably s.Tripod generally or s.Herrn behind the camera is located.
Becomes clear in the strong telephoto critical, but so strong, I had problems because Sachtlerstativen hitherto never. But here again, I would like synonymous WideScreen quote: "For the price you can expect nothing synonymous." At least nothing that s.Sachtler, Vinten, or the like can reach.
And precisely for that reason I would be interested in times, there are videos synonymous with one of the Tripods, which prove the contrary?
@ beiti: Have you perhaps even a video online, where you swing the potential quality of the DV7000 can see?
Are there other tripods maybe experience? Have something about Tripods in this price segment listens, then predominantly through the DV7000. Experiences with the other I would be interested synonymous to times a little to be able to compare.
Has anyone buying tips for me?
Thank you so far.
Antwort von beiti:
@ beiti: Have you perhaps even a video online, where you swing the potential quality of the DV7000 can see? No.. My videos with the Velbon head are all somewhat older (yet analogous rotated). Did his head sadly then geschrottet by Perfektionierungswut I tried the damping with the aid of a pipe wrench to make even more tightly ... : (
Before and after I have my Velbon Tripods obsessed different, and although very windy of cheap parts to expensive Manfrottos in several sizes. This allows me a good overview. In terms of panning Velbon remains the price / performance winner; of below Sachtler, I know nothing of what it could keep up.
In fairness, I must say that this statement refers only to the pan and not on other qualities. True stable screw can be "soft" Velbon heads not; there are such as the Manfrotto heads better. I would be synonymous not assume that Velbon heads a purchase for life "are. But at the price you can ignore.
Incidentally, I know the big-Sachtler Tripods yet from the studies, which are of course fantastic, but unfortunately only for heavy cameras to use. A good part of the damping effect may be synonymous in the mass is inertia. Currently, I own a private Sachtler DV -1, up to the middle focal lengths synonymous good swings, but unfortunately only one attenuation stage, and therefore for a long focal length is not optimal.
The basic principle of good Sachtler is not 1:1 anyway to work with lightweight camcorders transferred. There is no simple matter. A Sachtler, I would now only buy if it is a lightweight model with multiple attenuation levels and low compensation for lighter spring practice. But actually Sachtler is for amateur use against the extra cost not worth Velbon anyway.
Velbon By the way, I only once came s.die border: It was in deep winter, and there was Dämfung so tough that the pan was barely possible. In such situations, of course, a Sachtler head with its oil-free shine damping.
Antwort von chrisl:
I'll give you my mustard synonymous times about this:
I own a DV7000, a Manfrotto 501 and more recently a Sachtler FSB8 system.
For DV 7000: For the money is unbeatable. Schön quite easy and stable. Ideal for traveling and for private things with smaller cameras. The "fluid" head is synonymous okay, if the price of the whole system provides. However, the camera is not too difficult to actually still be able to pan. A PD170 is just (but only very slightly synonymous) a HVX is the nix drauf!
Manfrotto 501: More apparent than his. While brawny from, but is not much there. No matter what you do: It jerky swing at. the damping is not constant. One must s.Anfang more force than if it is running times, so there are no smoother panning possible. The damping is simply too lax. Overall, the system is quite stable and robust than the DV 7000th After a quarter of work with the new Manfrotto had what her because ruckler simply annoying.
Sachtler FSB8: If the "big" stands very close. 5 damping levels and 10 counterweight settings make the whole very flexible. You can of Consumer and shoulder camera so zi8emlich everything aufgeschraubt be. This is still very well made. I'm very satisfied.
All in all, is synonymous with tripods the 80/20 rule: 80% of the proceeds will be with 20% effort reached (Paretoprinzip). It is questionable whether the interim of thing Manfrotto be (it cost so synonymous have a little something, then rather just right). I would recommend either the Velbon or equal to the Sachtler. Everything is nothing in between half and all and nothing in the end it cost much money.
PS If you're interested in, I could after Easter a big battle Tripod organize, I have the three Tripods yes here.
Antwort von beiti:
The impressions of "crisl" about the Manfrotto MA 501, I can confirm. Above all, there is a large contrast between horizontal and vertical direction, the damping for the vertical is still relatively finely dosed, but the attenuation in the horizontal is pretty primitive built. Diagonal pans miscarry almost always.
The vote of the two directions of Sachtler numbered with the attenuation levels really ingenious solution: It provides for both directions the same stage, and already they fit perfectly. With all the cheaper heads with "smooth" cushioning takes a while to get the two directions has adapted well to each other (is synonymous for Velbon). A frequent change of attenuation depending on the focal is as difficult.
In this context, I would stand before synonymous Tests in Active Video and similar magazines warn regularly questionable test winner will be. Ironically Sachtler lands behind Manfrotto there regularly, because some details of the tripod structure are rated higher than the practicality of the head.
Antwort von camworks:
In this context, I would stand before synonymous Tests in Active Video and similar magazines warn regularly questionable test winner will be. Ironically Sachtler lands behind Manfrotto there regularly, because some details of the tripod structure are rated higher than the practicality of the head. well, there will probably proceed in accordance with the motto "Whose bread I eat, whose song I sing" ...
Antwort von Quadruplex:
well, there will probably proceed in accordance with the motto "Whose bread I eat, whose song I sing" ... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
For such sayings is Lord
Wichtigwedel zuständig...http://www.stern.de/unterhaltung/tv/:Harald-Schmidt-Interview-Halt-Fresse%2C-Pocher/660284.html
Wichtigwedel zuständig...http://www.stern.de/unterhaltung/tv/:Harald-Schmidt-Interview-Halt-Fresse%2C-Pocher/660284.html
Wichtigwedel zuständig...http://www.stern.de/unterhaltung/tv/:Harald-Schmidt-Interview-Halt-Fresse%2C-Pocher/660284.html
Antwort von camworks:
ach hör but ... can be found in almost any video magazine see: a test of how a great a few sites next synonymous or a few pages before a display of the device. even in the cameraman is no different.
who is a Manfrotto Sachtler one prefers, is in my opinion anyway ridiculous.
Antwort von Quadruplex:
can be found in almost any video magazine see: a test of how a great a few sites next synonymous or a few pages before a test of the device. How do?
Antwort von camworks:
sorry, was distracted by the phone and I've prescribed. habs above improved.
Antwort von Quadruplex:
I've prescribed. Ach so. Then perhaps look at the
Antwort von camworks:
yeah, I had. and? everyone has a right to his own opinion. I leave thee thy synonymous.
Antwort von beiti:
I think rather s.mangelnde competence in the specialized editors. Hardly any of the testers has already a long film with one of the Tripods rotated.
A tripod with the demonstrably better swing characteristics devaluation, because the leg extracts with screws and not with quick-release valves be identified, or because instead of funding a ground spider spider is, I find ridiculous.
It is true that Sachtler much value on the head sets, and the synonymous makes the lion's share of the Tripod-Setpreise from. The tripod legs can be rather regarded as a free gift and eventually replace - the total of what her little mind.
How about with 'nem letter s.die Editorial (s)? Relatively pointless. I have in other cases already done. At best, you get the letter as an objection then reprinted, but the "best" for Issue Issue remains unchanged. And in the list are not even part of the notes in it.
Antwort von Quadruplex:
At best, you get the letter as an objection then reprinted, but the "best" for Issue Issue remains unchanged. Since you have now but in my opinion somewhat exaggerated performances. If it does not really gross error happens in a test (or, which seems to occur more frequently, simply a calculation error in the overall result), no testers its ratings change. But the next test is determined - and about what s.Produkten is important and how much you valued, it is always discussed.
And in the list are not even part of the notes in it. That should be both a place synonymous as a fundamental issue. The leaves now live times of sale. If they are all in the best writing, so you need the detailed tests no longer ...
because the leg extracts with screws and not with quick-release valves be identified, or because instead of funding a ground spider spider is, I find ridiculous. At least in the quick-release valves, I would oppose. That already makes a difference whether you legs firmly with one click, or screws must.
Antwort von Quadruplex:
everyone has a right to his own opinion. I leave thee thy synonymous. It is not about 'ne opinion. Of course there's cheese leaves (this includes a large part of the so-called trade press and the free weekly newspapers), where you can clearly see the hand and partly resides directly to the company goes and says: 'We just write about you, if your' ne display switches. " And of course you notice synonymous with some test sheets that are trying their ratings company friendly.
But if you do not have more to offer than the fact that for a synonymous tested product being advertised - then forget it.
The Manufacturer launch their ad campaigns to coincide with the on the market since. At this point, get the test leaves the pattern synonymous. And the readers want the brand new course as quickly as possible in the test to see. Is it any wonder if, in the same journal 'ne display and have a test?
And we should perhaps synonymous times a question: If the test sheets were all so corrupt - why does it exist yet? And why its editors do not sit on sacks full of money in the Caribbean?
Antwort von camworks:
If the test sheets were all so corrupt - why does it exist yet? ? which makes me wonder for a long time. in the whole magazine but is exactly the same. you could count on one or two would prune and except a few jobs no loss. o / t: same as for women's magazines / yellow press ...
And why its editors do not sit on sacks full of money in the Caribbean? because there are not enough producers. ;-)
Joking aside, I have nothing of "corrupt" written. but a test with the same results can be evaluated one way or another. and with many devices in the video sector, I have the feeling that because so much good-will or schlechtgeredet. why I believe so, I have already written.
so Jack and I out of the discussion again.
Antwort von Quadruplex:
in the whole magazine but is exactly the same. You were no longer s.Kiosk - or?
Your opinion is gegönnt you, but I seriously can you not - in contrast to the observations of beiti.
In any attempt Novelties Magazine, the first to be. It belongs to the business and I expect the reader synonymous that a sheet of endeavor, the new XYZ to get. Logically: The probably have all of them.
Otherwise, I look just on the net, the current contents of directories Active Video, video camera and lens to:
http://www.videoaktiv.de/Hefte/2009/VIDEOAKTIV-3/2009- April / May.html
http://videofilmen.schiele-schoen.de/de/content/videofilmen-20093
http://www.objektiv.org/
Except that video and active parts of the new Panasonic and Canon, and Casablanca in the test have, I discover that not many overlaps ...
Antwort von camworks:
tell me what do you play because you are so on? ich hab dich nicht personally and you can start s.with "you can not take seriously." komm mal wieder runter, du anwalt the disenfranchised videomagazine.
Antwort von Quadruplex:
tell me what do you play because you are so on?
ich hab dich nicht personally I do not take it personally - but I'm annoying to indiscriminate Gesabbel Stammtisch level. Since you from the vicinity of Cologne kommst: Show you look in the forum of the "Kölner Stadt Anzeiger" order. One example of recently: Any Spacks suggests not on the construction of a mosque on (we can discuss), but that the city money for what it did. Since then someone must be synonymous down again and fetch him declare that the donations will be funded.
and you can start s.with "you can not take seriously." Your blanket, undifferentiated and magazines to unsuspecting position is precisely at this level. There are indeed good reasons to learn about newspapers in general and Vieoblättchen in particular aufzuregen - that happens so synonymous here often enough and with law. What is really bottom box is the standard Doofspruch: "They are so dependent of ads," or to quote you:
well, there will probably proceed in accordance with the motto "Whose bread I eat, whose song I sing" ...
Antwort von camworks:
as said its all opinion. I let thee thy, synonymous when you attack me personally and my regulars-gesabbel subordination and ignorance (which I turn for insulting, table-manners niveaulos think, but no preference).
Antwort von schlappen:
Nice to see my topic here such a big debate has set in motion to me but I do not wish, because I was s.dieser simply too much missing s.Hintergrundinformationen to me because you can turn to. And wild rumspekulieren and make insinuations, I would definitely not. That is why I included this discussion and would like again to my initial question asked to come back.
Thanks first to all who so many have responded.
All in all, the Velbon in this price segment is probably the best to be, so if you think you might give.
Sachtler FSB8: If the "big" stands very close. 5 damping levels and 10 counterweight settings make the whole very flexible. You can of Consumer and shoulder camera so zi8emlich everything aufgeschraubt be. This is still very well made. I'm very satisfied. Thanks for the tip and now the big BUT. I have the price just gegooglet. And with prices of around 2000, in the system to 2600 ¬ such Tripods are currently not in my budget and play competitively priced, and quality of course without question in a totally different class than the Velbon7000 the Manfrotto501 and the other, which I initially listed had. The fact that you are satisfied with their heads are, I can imagine;)
But I fear that for my first Austattung at this moment just too expensive, especially since I have a few other acquisitions in the back bar hab for which the money must be synonymous nor rich.
If I then later had collected money and make me s.die upgrade, then I will probably synonymous s.Sachtler dare, but at the moment which unfortunately is still quite far up on the shelf and I have not come off. But I have yet to grow a little;) Therefore, I am first with the tripods from the lower shelves satisfied.
How does the other tripods that I had listed (; Slik504, Libec TH-M20, Matthews M25)? Has someone experiences with that? What can you give me the basis of the manufacturer's specifications might guess? Is it because of the values slightly better than the Velbon? Or should I use the Velbon regarded as a thing done?
Thank you very much,
liebe Grüße, Tim.
Antwort von KSProduction:
Just because a Stümper a few test shots with poorly adjusted damping done smoothly and has compressed (even the moving cars in the background Jerkiness - that allows the tripod head is really nothing), still says nothing about the qualities of head and tripod.
It can not be said often enough: It is primarily focused on film, not on equipment. [/ Quote]
the words are true .... I think synonymous, that it was partly a setting of the corresponding components .... what good is an expensive stativ if the personal loss and not enough recruits tried .. pahh! trained as a precision mechanic, I can confirm with certainty that the Velbon is technically very solid, at least if the cam is not heavy and very smooth to work with is. technically speaking, the swivel head in renewed application be adjusted when the temperature of the image is different because the grease in the swivel head then any other properties. it is also true that after some time damping down, after umpteen hundred hours .... maybe .... age-related wear, but if the 100-euro stativ 2 cameras has survived is not the synonymous schande ... * lach *
Antwort von schlappen:
The fact that the exported video to all synonymous still abound scheiße eportiert is clear to me synonymous. I'm not Vollidiot. I've seen synonymous and Ruckler related to this therefore my questions are not synonymous.
If the Ruckler outside leaves, the pans are still bad. Times faster and then phased back again faster and slower and then a hectic and diagonal swing And all that comes with the certainty of export.
And yes, I find okay, if the Velbon Tripods here of his lovers is defended, but that needs me here so no one attack. It is of course s.Filmer. And the film because I do not know, I've completely neutral synonymous asked if these videos about the quality of the tripod testify. It comes to me with some answers as if I misunderstood the point when I would make Velbon badly and said the video used as evidence. So this is not, I would just clarify that.
Of course, it is based primarily on the films. For slow pans can be quiet with cheaper tripods course synonymous nice smooth pans right.
What does it at fast diagonal pans, for example? How does the Velbon as this? (On the other Tripods suppose I have no respect anymore. I have noticed, the thread is dedicated to developing Velbon thread;))
And the weight. I have a Canon XL2, with the Lens s.die weighs 4kg. I am planning to buy a 35mm, which would therefore synonymous nochmal extra weight mean, say something to the 5-6 kg.
Is that too difficult for the Velbon? Should I be rather more expensive alternatives after?
Liebe Grüße,
Tim.
Antwort von Daigoro:
4000 Euro Class Camera, 35mm (at least the commercial) 1000 Euro class and then you want the entire 100 euros on a tripod and make do what makes sense?
Sometimes I understand the world (or the budget planning, which is obviously expensive equipment for scenic shooting anschafft and the 'basic' plain forget - yes would be as if one of the last coal investment (used) Ferrari afford and then find that garnicht so you can drive, because neither the car insurance or the 20 liter superplus/100km can afford).
Vinten, Sachtler -> and specialist advice.
(and if money's not enough, then stop renting).
I've has no Tripods discussed here, but a PSV Unomat 909 - some so'n Ostprodukte although with its MSRP of> 200 Eur a lot more expensive than the Velbon, but not significantly better - rather poor - subjective impression of the play around with Velbon & the various Manfrottos in photo shop (naja, hab's used by the flea market for NEN twenties).
Aja, and after play around with his "Studio Tripod at SWR (the bold parts with vollverkleideten roll) are the characteristics of the swiveling her every scrap. As is' buttery soft 'too hard.
Antwort von schlappen:
4000 Euro Class Camera, 35mm (at least the commercial) 1000 Euro class and then you want the entire 100 euros on a tripod and make do what makes sense?
Sometimes I understand the world is not (; or budget planning, which is obviously expensive equipment for scenic shooting anschafft and the 'basic' plain forget - yes would be as if one of the last coal investment (; used) Ferrari service and then establish that you can drive so garnicht, because neither the car insurance or the 20 liter superplus/100km can afford). Well, with all due respect, your example is lagging a bit. And to me on the lack of budget planning to buy, it is clearly ridiculous, though everything to buy anything but cheap and poor quality, so that everything synonymous with the budget gets stopped. That would be as if I buy NEN car accident, all the extras, but the windows will only work on the right page, the windscreen washer washes with water cooler, the fan belt breaks every 2 hours and 100km of all, a broken piston.
As I said in the course of the thread so synonymous have mentioned, I will as soon as my budget goes to a Sachtler Tripods fetch. Until then, I want my Ferrari but not in the garage, but just get me a short-term indicator.
Antwort von Daigoro:
And to me on the lack of budget planning to buy, it is clearly ridiculous, though everything to buy anything but cheap and poor quality, so that everything synonymous with the budget gets stopped. The word is not "cheap", but "budget friendly".
Sorry if I motzig across, but there are far too often people with the completely false claims s.die thing and see if rang se then remember that this does not work here NEN Council expect miracles. The plans right accessories into your budget a little song I sing forever already and it feels a None, until the 30 Eur WW distorted without end, the 20 Eur Photo flick without a tripod at the end of the only Battery 2woechigen Safari 65 minutes recording.
With its XM2 and nem get good tripod with a relatively high probability of better results than with its XL2 (main difference is the interchangeable lens? The rest is not such a quality world of difference) and 100 euros nem Consumer tripod.
Unfortunately, are just as se are - simply because the Verlbon (right) in the 100 Euro class is praised and partly resident as well as a 200-300 Eur Tripod does not mean it's "professional class" (with 5-6 kilo Weight seems to be synonymous hard to do).
The magic 100, - EUR Tripod, particularly his 2000, - EUR Tripod does not hide, there's unfortunately not. (perhaps with a very great deal of luck and time, you will find something good auf'm flea market - not Ebay, the right flea market - but we must know what you need and are reasonably familiar with to see if the part still to be used - not a "total loss")
If the only interim solution is not, it's comforting, perhaps, I am of the "cheap" consumer equipment synonymous'm disappointed (but not synonymous claim to have given more money reinzustecken).
