Newsmeldung von slashCAM:Hier geht es zur Newsmeldung: Online petition for 1080i / p at ARD and ZDF
Antwort von inferno_o:
mannmannmann, there really is more urgent petitions to the world than that the German would have to get up for a bigger picture tv. What rubbish!
Antwort von partylogger:
I just see what's the point? Germany impoverished and there is concern about whether is sent in 720p or 1080i. Well, great.
Antwort von Videobodo:
Hello
The s.deutsch really bad television is not the picture quality, but the program! If I could then s.The, private individuals, think is one of the things that will be sent only bad! I do not know whether it is appropriate to the clientele, partial closure of 3rd Class - religion, sport and local history, serve as intensely. Since the contributions are to me, like yesterday, on Croatia, with splendid landscapes, no preference in what format much better. So even if high-quality images, then just such synonymous content!
Bodo
Antwort von Alexius Marnion:
I fands been really rather good, that is sent in 720p than 1080i. In my opinion, but will benefit them as sports broadcasts.
Okay, if it is actually produced preferably in 1080i ... synonymous if I still rather surprised. Is professionally produced so little in 1080p?
Antwort von tommyb:
Take advantage of 720p "do" the people who approve of the Full HD LCD Television in greed-is-to-noise Geil bought where is no reasonable deinterlacer.
The 1080i is then supplied to an expensive minority Television with a good deinterlacer has - the rest get all exactly the same edge flares as currently with SD disbanded, only taller.
A Skaliervorgang still requires less powerful hardware than a complete de-interlacing process. Hardware deinterlacer do their job well, then loose the time cost of a full four-fold 42 "ALDI full HD TV ...
Antwort von partylogger:
Take advantage of 720p "do" the people who approve of the Full HD LCD Television in greed-is-to-noise Geil bought where is no reasonable deinterlacer.
The 1080i is then supplied to an expensive minority Television with a good deinterlacer has - the rest get all exactly the same edge flares as currently with SD disbanded, only taller.
A Skaliervorgang still requires less powerful hardware than a complete de-interlacing process. Hardware deinterlacer do their job well, then loose the time cost of a full four-fold 42 "ALDI full HD TV ... Sounds almost as if you wanted the people to make a complaint that they "only" can make a cheap TV.
Antwort von meawk:
Take advantage of 720p "do" the people who approve of the Full HD LCD Television in greed-is-to-noise Geil bought where is no reasonable deinterlacer.
The 1080i is then supplied to an expensive minority Television with a good deinterlacer has - the rest get all exactly the same edge flares as currently with SD disbanded, only taller.
A Skaliervorgang still requires less powerful hardware than a complete de-interlacing process. Hardware deinterlacer do their job well, then loose the time cost of a full four-fold 42 "ALDI full HD TV ... I think it's Verstaendnis With the 720p - who is expected to 1080p the TV stations and is therefore really an "expensive" FullHD is purchased, is to blame and has simply slept or somehow dreaming.
TV and 1080p, guys will wake up times. . .
In addition, a very good 720p-production is already considered great.
Antwort von Videobodo:
Hello
Listening times but with the whole rubbish at 1080i or 720p. Except for a few% techies, there are plenty of users who want to learn only at a reasonable cost. It is indeed synonymous hear a lot of audio-users, which stand a high-quality audio system, spending per meter speaker cable and then a lot of Mp3 Music! The situation is similar in my opinion, with the quality of the television picture. Of course, the buyers have an advantage, who know what they really need to be synonymous and can afford. If you do not know what I mean, once you provide during a sales call in the electronics market, and to consult with!
Bodo
Antwort von Blackeagle123:
I must say that the quality of test broadcasts in 720p was surprisingly good on my full HD! Such a brilliant picture and other broadcasters to offer Pro7 not synonymous with 1080 as the 1080 better be compressed.
After all, it is then synonymous to 1080i and not full images!
Whether there such a big difference will be obvious?
Many greetings!
Antwort von marcszeglat:
The format 720 P50 is actually 1080 i prefer by far, but it makes sense only if synonymous is rotated at P50! The problem is that you work on site with 50 fields, which are then joined together for Germany to 50 full images, which now makes no sense at all! If in Canada, then it should be rotated in 60 i can get out of this no good. Unless one is able to send 1080 P50 (which is not too much because of the low-bandwidth connections for years to be possible) would be consistent production in the small HD Resolutionbei P50 smart. As long as interlaced material is converted to a transmit mode in 720 P25 sense. It is then halt the lowest common denominator.
Only someone who has to do with everyday German editors to know that they are still all in Digibeta age and live in the new formats of material are completely overwhelmed.
A joke is the HD-Guidelines for Arte. Sent in 720 P50, the Masters in HD HD Cam with 1440 x 1080 i deliver. Thus not only an interpolation of the missing fields is necessary, but still one of the worst scaling synonymous within the HD format. What a nonsense is just unbelievable! One gets the impression that Sonyden's Channel in the acquisition in hand, dominated in the JVC playout.
If the sender continues to follow this incomprehensible and unskilled strategies, we are still watching SD, while the rest of the world already has 3D as the default!
This petition is total nonsense since 1080 is typically 720 P50 i prefer! It all depends on the entire production chain, not solely on the broadcast format.
Antwort von Cocoa_Magazin:
The format 720 P50 is actually 1080 i prefer by far, Sorry, that is absolute nonsense. I contend that 50p is redundant, no preference whether in 1080 or 720th 1080 is around 1 / 3 more sharply and the norm. And movies show the last 100 years that 24p absolutely sufficient. Thus, to simply send us movies in 1080i in 108024p
Antwort von ArnAuge:
Cocoa Magazine:
And movies show the last 100 years that 24p absolutely sufficient. Just do not! Circular aperture in the film projectors dangles before the eyes but a higher (double?) Framerate. Otherwise it would be in the movies so jerk just yet.
Greeting
Arno
Antwort von Bernd E.:
In the broadcast special issue of film-tv-video.de (published in October 2009) was a detailed article about "theme 1080i or 720p?" printed, the spirit came to the following Conclusion: The radiation would have a progressive content in today's TV environment, although clearly benefits to 720p, however, brings in other aspects of the market conditions and too many disadvantages with him. Overall, it was therefore now appropriate to accept the interlaced disadvantages and decide to be broadcast in 1080i format. The subsequent step would then be next to 1080p much more easily.
Although I myself belong to the "Dear arte in SD as RTL in HD Group, so I would make the broadcast format is no religious war, but one record still remains: What connects to ARD and ZDF HD sporting events, only the disadvantages 1080i with the rotation of the disadvantages of converting 720p before the broadcast. Ideal is something else. International is already produced in 1080i.
Antwort von Videobodo:
Hi,
It is common to come with things like circulation aperture. Where does the movie freak should know that. Maybe then a 2-flügliche or at least 3-flüglich? Or was 3-winged only at 16:9? This knowledge gibts not the purchase of tickets free of charge.
PS. It's just always nice to know when to take half or ignorance.
Bodo
Antwort von partylogger:
But why should we open up a petition? For me remains that we have in Germany and other problems is a crap whether or not interest is broadcast in 720p or 1080i.
Antwort von marcszeglat:
jeep, for the audience, it is ultimately not care what the format will be sent to the cameraman and not producers! fakt is that each display can be progressive and reflect the progressive berabeitet pictures better, and in other format scaled. what I am turning interlaced, I can remember later, when a progressive standard prevails! Moreover, I get a much better result if I p50 sd material to convert!
Antwort von tommyb:
Sounds almost as if you wanted the people to make a complaint that they "only" can make a cheap TV. Oh no ... But with cheap televisions (and bad deinterlacer), we would have these people look in the tube ... where such a tube would provide a better picture smoothly again.
Sorry, that is absolute nonsense. I contend that 50p is redundant, no preference whether in 1080 or 720th 1080 is around 1 / 3 more sharply and the norm. And movies show the last 100 years that 24p absolutely sufficient. Thus, to simply send us movies in 1080i in 108024p But you already know that 1080p and 1080i are two different pair of shoes, right?
A 1080p25 (1080p24 synonymous because of me) Picture has more pixels than a 720p25 picture, which is completely normal.
A 1080i50 still has the same pixel count as a Picture 1080p25, but there are TWO contain pictures. Ie erstmal each frame must be disassembled before it is presented by the Television. If we split now a 1080i50 picture-in fields, we get two fields with 1920x540 pixel resolution, or 1,036,800 total pixels / field.
A single picture from a progressive 720p50 Stream has 921,600 pixels. Still more, right? Yes, correct. However, certainly not 1 / 3 as you behaupteset, but rather 1 / 8.
Now if this full 1920x540 on full HD are scaled frame size and thereby not a very good Skalierhard or software is used, then one has) in the simplest case, a slight image blurring on the overall picture (in the vertical, and at worst totally perverse Alias | Wavefront Mayaing artifacts on diagonal lines.
Specifically the latter looks extremely poor and can only with very good deinterlacer wegkriegen again - which cost a lot of money but ... or one uses 720p50.
Incidentally, recognizes the 1 / 8 resolution advantage is for the 50 phases of movement is not anyway. These alleged details are not seen, except by the video stops. The Alias | Wavefront Mayaing-effects can be seen, however even with reasonable legroom.
Actually should be if it had been used for real progressive 1080p24/1080p25 Films, 720p50 for items in which cash flows have priority.
Antwort von felix24:
There are certainly more important than tv formats and resolutions. But the most important topics of our time takes you back in television. whether it is culture, film classics or dokus. we would not watch TV without mitkriegen much. And only when you look around, can be a voice synonymous. that at least meets a part of. there are of course synonymous another totally unnecessary part. But still I do not think it's wrong to discuss synonymous television formats.
And it is now time fakt that classical bildröhre is almost extinct. s.ihrer places are taken, the plasma tv, which is now working almost exclusively with fullhd, ie 1920 x 1080. that fits the format of public service simply does not do so. that is really your typical that they fully back realtität produce s.der over. 1080p is the only true one. everything else is bullshit.
And if need be, erstmal 1080i, and later will eventually synonymous 1080p50 and 1080p25. And that comes is much more conclusive, than to bring to 720p50. In any case I'll sign the petition.
Antwort von joe11:
Mir is no preference whether 1080i or 720p. Currently is sent anyway with too little bandwidth. The giant blocks that can be seen sometimes disturb me much more.
The conversion of 60i to 50p in the Olympics seemed synonymous failed, whichever is relevant. In sport it is not so much on image quality - 480p since last forever.
Such 60/50-Konvertierung, fortunately, is only required in exceptional cases. Decent documentaries are included (hopefully) with 24 or 25fps. Films anyway.
Antwort von WoWu:
The EBU has decided to have good groundwork 750p50.
A test between 720p and 1080i refers to the qualitative impression Picture.
This shows that the data rate for 1080i in the broadcast area is approximately 2 Mbit / s must be higher to produce a good picture the same impression. As I said, not 1080i impression of the picture is even better then he is just as good. (Chart Source: EBU)
If the call ready to 1080i, bear the cost for it? For example, higher fees?
If we count only once Satellitenweg (all other feed costs even before the outside).
We kept the cost of the ASTRA transponder in the head: 150 T ¬ per Mbit and month.
So let's say once, on a 37-Mbit (ASTRA) Transponder 4 channels are accommodated, which have each a difference of 2 Mbit against possible channels 720s .... makes: 2 Mbit x 8 Mbit x 4 channels = 150 T ¬ = 1.2 Mill ¬ extra per month x 12 months = 14.4 million ¬ in a year, or in a business of 5 years to make a batch of 72 Mill from ¬.
To say it again clearly: 1080i25 and 720p50 looks worse than the 72 million that we would have to spend only serve the purpose of achieving an identical quality and not a quality advantage.
So ... Only if one wants to spend on it.
And as far as 1080 or, if no preference "p" or "i" ....
If my television is
3m away, I need to buy myself a
75 "television, to be able to perform it at all. Each smaller unit shows me in the removal of any resolution 1080s.
Hab'ich but an affordable 42 "machine, I can not sit next as
1.70 m away.
Na klasse .... there must be careful that the screen is not dirty, if you take a cough.
So ... just to ... those who meet the necessary conditions are demanded in the petition.
