Frage von pastor4711:
Hi,
I film only in the private sector (the life of our family for all occasions). My problem is this: I want my video (HDV) as possible in the original archive. Which medium is suitable for s.besten for it?
I know the following media:
[List] [*: 3a2764a22f] DVD: In the opinion of many not the ideal medium, because the durability is questionable
[*: 3a2764a22f] MiniDV tape: Actually, the best for archiving purposes: Relatively cheap and relatively small. Thus, the output media to be used as synonymous archiving medium. And with proper care synonymous very durable.
[*: 3a2764a22f] hard drive: If indeed cheaper, but my opinion, no archival medium because I do not want to stack lift hard disks.
[* 3a2764a22f:] memory cards: are very small. Thus, the output would be synonymous here used as synonymous media archiving medium. But how it looks with the durability?
[*: 3a2764a22f] What else is there? [/ List: u: 3a2764a22f] I seem to be my problem with an almost exotic, because I have not found a thread that is busy with my subject. Sure, in many threads is every now and then the keyword "archive". But these discussions drift very quickly s.in discussions about codecs, container and Co. ... But first I want to have the media before I was so busy, in what format and with which compression algorithm is stored.
The topic is quite important for me because I want to buy a new camera and I'm still not sure what the recording medium I want. For the sake of archiving, I prefer actually the MiniDV tape, which I use for years. But that is synonymous disadvantages:
[List = 1:3 a2764a22f * []: 3a2764a22f] There are in the consumer area, to my knowledge only two cameras, which record HDV to tape (Canon HV40 and SonyHDR-HC9).
[*: 3a2764a22f] The cameras are in Comparison with the slightly larger SDHC Cameras
[* 3a2764a22f:] sounds of the tape drive are in very quiet environments, always on the tape. [/ List: u: 3a2764a22f] So I'm not synonymous unwilling to take a camera that records onto memory cards. (Hard disk recorder, I think not ideal, because to me the risk is too great. I am because of my computer background, just a burned child). But since I'm back to my original problem, how do I archive the video material. You see, I am currently mentally rotating in a circle. Fact is, I need a new camera soon, because my good old Panasonic NV-DA1 slowly gives up the ghost.
So here I start a poll: How is video archived s.besten?
Antwort von Alf_300:
I have a coin album, as I push my memory card in, provided I have what, for that is an expensive fun
Antwort von srone:
synonymous if you do not answer is so very pleased, I think about hard drive data security and price / performance ratio, currently used for the storage, all the rest of you mentioned here with regard to data security can not keep up, assuming the dates are all about 2 years once copied.
exception: properly stored (h)-dv tapes, here it is, however, the disadvantage, which is a re-import into the computer, or play off of the final average very time consuming, just real-time only.
lg
SRone
Antwort von RickyMartini:
My tapeless digital pictures and recorded videos I archive and cut redundant on hard disks - including internal and external. DVDs are still synonymous for use.
Antwort von fly-italo:
Hard disks backed up several times. DVD and CD, I trust no cent.
Antwort von Pianist:
Hard drive: If indeed cheaper, but my opinion, no archival medium because I do not want to stack lift hard disks. You're funny. Because you want to remove any disk stack, hard disks are not an archival medium. I turn tapeless for three years and you can even show you my hard drive stack. Of course, all with double safety in two separate rooms, with two doors in between F90 and smoke detectors. Something better, there is not yet available.
By the way, the tapes I had five times the space. So s.sich ten times, but since I have not a double security, so I say "five times" in order to remain comparable.
Matthias
Antwort von B.DeKid:
Material> (iso)> Winrar stored, split, QuickPar, Dat, DVD and hard drive.
Very important things in addition to MO or at small file sizes MD
.......
Always double execution, two storage locations.
............
First cost is irrelevant. But some comes together during the years ;-)
It is important to hold only a number of ways to save more so as no preference to be able to draw on when the particular material to back.
And above all you must not save any shit, sometimes is PMEN total crash quite well at times be to restore order in the Suastall. ;-)
MfG
B. DeKid
Antwort von srone:
And above all you must not save any shit, sometimes is PMEN total crash quite well at times be to restore order in the Suastall. ;-) am fairly your opinion, would otherwise inundate itself, makes the windows synonymous already own. ;-)
lg
SRone
Antwort von WoWu:
My tip is currently: hard drive
tapes have recently been highlighted to us as totally useless and in an "emergency sum of ¤" all had to be uploaded ... at least what they have by Bills.
Antwort von pastor4711:
Sorry guys was away briefly and you could not answer right away. So in order:
@ Alf_300 I have a coin album, as I push my memory card in, provided I have what, for that is an expensive fun Does that mean you raise the memory card on which you record? Or did you transfer the maps, once you have edited the films?
@ SRone ... I think about hard drive data security and price / performance ratio, currently a storage medium for the ... So a vote for hard drive. Get another justification of me why
I would not do that.
... Exception: properly stored (h)-dv tapes, here it is, however, the disadvantage, which is a re-import into the computer, or play off of the final average very time consuming, just real-time only ... Since I agree with you wholeheartedly. But can we see positive synonymous, since I am not so perfect record when I can capture in real time like my "junk" omit ;-)
@ RickyMartini ... I archive on redundant hard disks - including internal and external. DVDs are still synonymous for use. And still a voice for hard drive. Why do you need the DVDs?
@ Fly-italo Hard disks backed up several times ... And again hard drive
DVD and CD ... I trust no cent. I do not synonymous.
@ Pianist ... Show my hard drive stack ... Another line for the hard disks
... Of course, all with double safety in two separate rooms, with two doors in between F90 and smoke detectors. Something better, there are currently not yet ... That sounds very professional. Congratulations!
@ B.deKid Material> (iso)> Winrar stored, split, QuickPar, Dat, DVD and hard drive.
Very important things in addition to MO or at small file sizes MD Granted I do not quite understand. So correct me please: The raw material komprimierst you save with Winrar (?), You split the archive and test the parts on DVD and hard drive or on magnetoptischen plates or special magnetic disks (?) But: What's "Dat"?
... Always double processing, two storage locations. Professional, but expensive and complicated
... It is important to hold only a number of ways to save more so as no preference to be able to draw on when the particular material to back. Correct. That's where I come to the reason why I would not back up hard drive. I started 10 years ago with the shooting. With the birth of my first child to be exact. Last year I bought a similar PC to edit videos. The hard disks of 10 years ago I would have never gotten in my new calculator to work (other file system, other bus system ...)
The development in the computer field runs much faster than in the video area. An example is the internal bus: voice was formerly of ISO or SCSI, one has h
Antwort von srone:
When quoting, please correct, as I wrote the data umzukopieren every 2 years, you are hereby problems in the changing technical conditions on the fixed-location, or adapt mass storage sector and the data hold "too fresh".
lg
SRone
Antwort von Jott:
There's no universally valid. We have never been a serious failure band until 25 years back. Currently, mix tapes (of course, a strong decline in new entrants), hard disks for short periods, extended-BD-R. The good old TÜV confesses to the medium after extensive testing at least 50 years. If I am as old as Heesters, I do know.
Antwort von pastor4711:
When quoting, please correct, as I wrote the data umzukopieren every 2 years, you are hereby problems in the changing technical conditions on the fixed-location, or adapt mass storage sector and the data hold "too fresh". That's right! Granted, I have not been observed. Thanks for the tip. It calms my bad gut feeling something. If it is relatively expensive synonymous.
Antwort von pastor4711:
... We have never been a serious failure band until 25 years back. In just synonymous not me. I could last years of the 10-year-old tapes capture without problems. Almost no dropped frames.
... Long-term BD-R. The good old TÜV admits this medium after extensive testing at least 50 years to ... Well, yes, yes. The problem from my point of view is, however, that there is no experience practicing the durability of BlueRay discs - simply for the reason that the first 2-3 years of age. The first CDs have been synonymous granted by the TÜV up to 100 years. And where are we today? I contend that each of us to separate ever of a broken CD or DVD needed. Ok, the material of a BD-R is probably a different and, and, and .. But: the density of data is notoriously synonymous. And the higher the data density on a medium, the greater the data loss is synonymous with partial damage.
Antwort von Jott:
Here again I must disagree here ever data loss Opticals. Fussy treated naturally, only the best blanks with matching burner firmware, no stickers or pins for false labeling, no light. For me Opticals are the safest. Nearly two decades of rich without any failure of me to continue to trust round gizmos with 12cm diameter. Also, what the long-term availability of As for drives.
Nitpicking anyway should be the key, no preference for any strategy.
Antwort von Alf_300:
So on windows I will never leave me, with hard disks now Gibts SATA instead of IDE and Win7 could again create kein@Recyle.Bin on my USB disk - Only the DV tapes funtionieren still good (as long as the CAM or recorder is ok). And data copy for that matter - with 1TB USB is really no fun .....
Optimal is therefore relatively
Antwort von pastor4711:
Here again I must disagree here ever data loss Opticals. Fussy treated naturally, only the best blanks with matching burner firmware, no stickers or pins for false labeling, no light. For me Opticals are the safest. Nearly two decades of rich without any failure of me to continue to trust round gizmos with 12cm diameter. Also, what the long-term availability of As for drives.
Nitpicking anyway should be the key, no preference for any strategy. Ok. As you may be right. Mir is the risk too great, since I already had to dispose of some optical disks. But yes, they were all labeled and, admittedly, not very "attentive" or "picky" (I like it ;-) well stored. Everyone makes just the way his experiences.
Even hard disks need to be very "attentive" or "stored picky. You are right! In addition, you can not simply be synonymous tapes lying around in all environments. Here too one must be careful. It's all a matter of degree.
Antwort von pastor4711:
... Only the DV tapes funtionieren still good (as long as the CAM or recorder is ok) ... Exactly! And so I am very unhappy that the tapes increasingly been marginalized. I find this extremely sad and looking for an equivalent replacement. But so far I have the feeling that there is no really good solution. At most, the solution with the least disadvantages. Is the "hard drive"? Or yet professional tape solutions, as you will in outsourcing data centers used as example LTO?
I do not know next. So please weiterposten busy.
Antwort von srone:
And data copy for that matter - with 1TB USB is really no fun ..... Who still talks of USB 2.0 if it is e-sata and usb 3.0.
lg
SRone
Antwort von Alf_300:
Only because esata 1,2,3 or USB3.0 now everyone is throwing away his old USB2 disks - or how do you mean?
Antwort von pastor4711:
... Who still speaks of USB 2.0, if there is e-sata and usb 3.0 ... Here's a nice story about (ok, is a computer screen, but anyway):
http://www.computerbild.de/artikel/cb-Tests-PC-Hardware-externe-hard drive-USB 3.0-4825045.html At least shows that it takes some time until there is sufficient equipment, the appropriate motherboard must be installed (I do not know many who already support USB 3.0) and the plates start to re-price upwards.
But sure: Gone is the future
Antwort von pastor4711:
Only because esata 1,2,3 or USB3.0 now everyone is throwing away his old USB2 disks - or how do you mean? Well, yes. SRON has so far right that if you use hard disks as storage medium, making certain advances in technology with hat (read: In fact, data copy data and throw away the old plates). Maybe not at every step as long as the standards are backward compatible, but certainly in a beautiful regularity.
This is with a reason why I'm looking for something other than hard disks. But as I said: Everything has its drawbacks. The question is, what is more serious.
Antwort von srone:
If ide, housing, fit it and share internal data copy in the computer.
if use sata, internal, built into a usb 3.0 enclosure, 2.0 usb enclosure for power supply and via (e-) se sata cable-sata connection or data copy to the same e-sata enclosure use.
1tb usb 2.0 is about beyond the pale, I'll give you quite right, but expanded copied and then re-installed but is a bit of screwing around, but is 20 times as fast.
lg
SRone
ps: yes, it must throw away the plates None, the usb2.0 housing is the other bottleneck, disk enclosures and in good.
ps2: to further thought: one (or two hard drives), change frame
installed in the PC, using each plate (to copy), in the cabinet.
Antwort von Alf_300:
@ Sone
A Sharkoon USB3 controller is mitr in the drawer of the Gigabyte is not to get the plates and if you're not USB3 are synonymous not run faster, also is in the PCIe slot and the multiply occupied IRQs in the end very doubtful.
Antwort von srone:
what do you mean with hard drives USB3, there are ide (dying out) and several sata disks (write / read throughput in the regular s.ca 80 mb / s), there is much copied over night.
lg
SRone
Antwort von Alf_300:
Up a bit late - namely last week, have 15 120GB IDE entered in the garbage, because IDE actually be slower than USB2 IDST
Antwort von pastor4711:
If ide, housing, fit it and share internal data copy in the computer.
if use sata, internal, built into a usb 3.0 enclosure, 2.0 usb enclosure for power supply and via (e-) se sata cable-sata connection or data copy to the same e-sata enclosure use. That's too cryptic, you can explain it?
... Ps: yes, it must throw away the plates None, the usb2.0 housing is the other bottleneck, disk enclosures and in good. Sorry, but only by another body, will not increase the throughput of course. You do, of course, synonymous the appropriate interface support through a controller (either separately or integrated on the MB). And if you have a separate controller, you're back talking with the problem of the Alf_300: The management of IRQ can be problematic.
Antwort von RickyMartini:
About external plates with USB3 connection data can be transmitted almost as fast as over eSATA. This requires, however USB3-Controller with PCIe 1x connector needed.
Antwort von deti:
... s.besten not - is considered the most sober, but to spare anyway just scrap and humanity would be a good deed before ;-)
Deti
Antwort von Alf_300:
Deti @
Is then called natural selection
Antwort von pastor4711:
... s.besten not - is considered the most sober but eh just scrap ;-) Very fatalistic - but at least brings us back off of a USB 3.0 discussion, to my original topic: How to archive?
Incidentally, I have deliberately written survey before, because it is not my intention to get advice, but I want to know how you do it.
weiterposten So in this sense, please.
Antwort von srone:
it comes to building up an archive, so I fear me, depending on storage space, hard drives a few reasonable 1tb (7200 rpm, 32mb cache for example. samsung f1 ca 70, - ¬), plus an external hard drive enclosures either e-sata or USB3, plate set into the housing with two screws attached two cables plugged lid on it and copy if disk set to expand fully in the cabinet, next install disk etc, then there is no irq problems and keep the cost limits are in or above mentioned a hard drive installed in the PC tool carrier directly.
USB 2.0 has a maximum data throughput of about 35mb / s, current technology may well plates built-up to 100mb / s and more, since the conversion is worth in another case (with more advanced course) already.
Alf @ 300, throw away the future related to when the plates are too slow today, it does not naturally, but are present in current usb2.0 housings, well you could use the boards, although I must admit here that there in the rule, the slower 5400rpm models are built.
lg
SRone
Antwort von Alf_300:
@ SRON
're Right, but not everyone is on the one hand and on the other rumzuschrauben ready When it comes to archive is, where are we with our ideas of 10 years ago? Right where you is attached. Man has his hands full when you switch the calculator and the system that has already recognized the pension scheme.
Problem No. 2
Video amateurs are usually married
Antwort von iMac27_edmedia:
At, CDs and DVDs s.besten Tayo Yuden are processed s.besten,
with SDHC cards I already had many total failures (so far limited to the brands Transcend, SanDisk, Verbatim, not in media of Samsung and Panasonic!).
In addition to hard drive I archive some important things to HDV or DV tapes, as synonymous DVD. It would be interesting only to the archiving
XDCAM HD 422 Professional Discs.
The ZDF archives each on two servers plus a copy on tape for the archive because the strip material has survived s.längsten all the strip material is DVC-Pro!
Antwort von xinon:
The hard disks of 10 years ago I would have never gotten in my new calculator to work (other file system, other bus system ...)
The development in the computer field runs much faster than in the video area. An example is the internal bus: voice was formerly of ISO or SCSI, you have today and the future SATAII bus systems that are already at the door. Sure - a few years, we will remain backward compatible, but this time goes by synonymous. So one would have to repeal the relevant Calculator synonymous. Is fully and quite, and Nevertheless, you'll get of me three strokes for hard disks. But after the series:
All media should be after 2-3 years of copying.
Each archive - no preference whether tape, hard drive or DVD or whatever always synonymous should be created double. If the two archives should be spatially separated Mölich - (eg a hard drive from his brother or colleagues).
The material, if possible, stick with the original quality.
Rules should be retained.
Now all the talking points for the hard drive:
price and place: At a mini-DV cassette have about 13 GB of space - on a hard drive currently 1500 GB (rising).
Cost per GB: Mini-DV approx ¬ 0.20, hard drive approx ¬ 0.07
1000GB dimensions in: MiniDV about 2.5 liters, hard drive about 1 liter
Copying: Attach copy hard drive and let s.Calculator. Although one may go to two nights - but everything works without further intervention.
At the same time increasing the capacity of the plates - so new data can be added to the archive.
Here you can update the same when copying the file systems.
Order: A good folder structure is essential for archives. For hard disks, you can create them easily and with little search effort.
Download: When I get the video data s.Speicherkarten. Usually there are multiple cards (as Multicam) must import what I do. I append all devices s.den Computer and Run the copy, go to sleep and have it done tomorrow s.nächsten clean:)
there may be many reasons for and against the hard drive - but the worst is probably due to their hard disks for data-size. For most disks are eventually overtaken and then have to be copied again. The question is then whether the media (eg discs) are constantly changing and most want in a "copy-slip".
Antwort von pastor4711:
it comes to building up an archive, so I fear me, depending on storage space, hard drives a few reasonable 1tb (7200 rpm, 32mb cache for example. samsung f1 ca 70, - ¬), plus an external hard drive enclosures either e-sata or USB3, plate set into the housing with two screws attached two cables plugged lid on it and copy if disk set to expand fully in the cabinet, next install disk etc, then there is no irq problems and keep the cost limits are in or above mentioned a hard drive installed in the PC tool carrier directly. Sorry, but only one new case for the hard disks does nothing. Even with a USB 3.0 enclosure you need, if you of the
theoretical maximum transmission speed of 5.0 Gb / s wish to benefit, a USB 3.0 compliant host - that is the appropriate controller in your calculator - either as an additional card in a PCIe port or integrated on your motherboard.
To end this discussion so because they no longer relating to absolutely fit, I just go in your favor assumes that you have installed an appropriate controller and all is well.
Antwort von srone:
Alf @ 300
then will probably only server in the basement, tied with gbit-lan and the woman with the electricity bill flowers make tasty ;-)
lg
SRone
ps: the housing to the corresponding synonymous, of course, the matching counterpart in the PC should be available, I consider to be granted.
Antwort von pastor4711:
@ Xinon: Thanks! This is a very informed opinion. Class!
To summarize what has been posted:
[List] [*: d3e9f22b95] hard disks are available for most of the medium of choice
[*: D3e9f22b95] In addition, the use of one form or other optical media. In most cases, DVD or BD
[*: D3e9f22b95] Properly secure is it if we kept two copies s.unterschiedlichen Share
[*: D3e9f22b95] Each medium required if you want to ensure recoverability, different measures and maintenance
[*: D3e9f22b95] The DV-tape was a good medium, but runs slowly (Personal comment of me, "Sniff!")
[/ List: u: d3e9f22b95] Thank you!
I'm now going to bed and I report back tomorrow. Until then!
Antwort von WoWu:
WoWu wrote the following:
... Tapes have recently been highlighted to us as totally useless ...
That interests me. Can you perhaps describe briefly what happened? Strip material is indeed from a carrier film hay harvest (usually polyethylene, or polyethylene naphthalate). On the carrier film is the second component of the magnetizable layer, composed of the magnetic particles and a polymeric binder and other additives. The cross-linked polymer forms a spatial grid, in which the magnetic particles are combined with lubricants, plasticizers, stabilizers, antioxidants, fungicides and mineral fillers. The magnetic layer has a thickness of about 2 microns with new tapes.
The third component is an optional back coating of the carrier film, which is applied to improve the winding properties and to protect the carrier film. It is like the magnetic layer mainly made up of the binder, polyester polyurethane and is approximately 1 micron thick.
Now the tape into the cassette is not free, but will run of guide rails and Band dishes.
This is necessarily the weakest point, because tapes are not even manufactured in the narrow section, where they later run into the cassette, but are coated film can be as wide and cut into the final production. These are synonymous affected the metallic oxides that they do not completely of the enclosed osStoffen. But scrape the plate synonymous s.den cassette tape edges and produce the same effect. The metal particles begin oxidize and weaken the support material s.den see at edges.
The standard strap now ranges from already to make the tear tapes s.den oxidized sites.
That was the case with us s.Bändern and not just with a tape, but with a plethora (DVCPRO and DV). All commercial cassette, so no department store goods and not synonymous Moslem old.
The only option was to dismantle the cassette and initially handle the volume of hand wraps, tape around the loose then put on the record sleeves.
Even while the tapes are often already been torn.
This, resulting "half (open) tape, without any other mechanism" was then played on a specially prepared deck and recorded the same content to disk. The tapes then go in the garbage.
It concerned the way synonymous not only a cassette manufacturer, but different tape brands, and is questionable anyway, who produced the tape.
Those who believe, then, that his old tapes are stored just fine and nothing happened to them, which could one day experience a big surprise. The fact we thought synonymous.
As a Richlinien for long-term archiving: 8 º C (± 2 º C in 24 hours) and a relative humidity of 25% RH (± 5% RH in 24 hours).
Now I think we have not always been s.den optimal conditions, but our tapes were exposed in the archives always tolerable values.
The old fairy tale of the tape can quickly indestructible times disappear.
