Frage von Lahntaler:
I just do my first steps towards the purchase of a camcorder. As my American wife and I once or twice per year to travel to USA, we have the sense for a camcorder that is used on a PAL as synonymous in NTSC television play. There's something?
Antwort von louisdor:
HVX200
Antwort von beiti:
A camcorder in a "Universal Format" begins, there is not. You must therefore either 60 Hz (NTSC) or 50 Hz (PAL) recording. Devices, which when playing NTSC to PAL (or vice versa), convert, there is at least as a camcorder not. There are any camcorder, the
choice of one of the record format, which takes you next, but not when you get
the same shots here and once again have to perform there.
Universal is in doubt, NTSC, because almost all available Television in Europe can play (except for older devices and cheap equipment). Conversely, it is much more difficult in the USA, a television to find the PAL understands.
But if you live in Europe and the U.S. residence only exception is the use of an NTSC camcorder rather questionable, because the exchange and dissemination in Europe inhibitor (grandma's old television can perhaps do not NTSC).
So the really completely satisfactory solution does not exist.
The question is, where your focus lies. Depending on, there are different approaches. It plays a role synonymous extent recordings directly with the camcorder are shown, and the extent to which they previously available on DVD or VHS copy:
Does it matter that has just made shots on each (hotel-) to be able to watch television?
Or is it mostly a matter of films made in Germany, the U.S. relationship to present? If the latter is true: If the movies will always s.gleichen City / Television presented or change it?
Antwort von Lahntaler:
HVX200 Hmmm, so far, my research revealed that the HVX200 only either PAL or NTSC can?
Antwort von Lahntaler:
Hi Beiti,
Thank you for your outstanding balance.
Since our life is central to Europe, PAL is the most obvious option. However, I still tend to NTSC, because many European Television can be NTSC, as you write.
To your question: Ideally, the recordings s.drei TVs (2 PAL in Europe, 1 in NTSC USA) directly of the Cam as synonymous of collected customized DVD can be played.
All three television are not quite fresh. After and after they are probably from HD devices to be replaced.
I have two usage scenarios. My budget is four clear if both use scenarios on both sides of the Atlantic can be realized. These are the scenarios:
1) Shortly after the recording of one of the three Television (2 PAL, 1 NTSC) directly of the Cam play - my wife can be very impatient :-)
2) From the highlights of the shots I want to forge later DVDs. Target media for these DVDs are said three Television and its successor.
If I understand correctly, I can 720er and 1080er easily NTSC recording in NTSC format and burn to DVD R2 DVD recorder of auto convert NTSC after PAL. Have I understood correctly?
Many greetings
Lahntal
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... so far, my research revealed that the HVX200 only either PAL or NTSC can? Right. If you have a camcorder looking to either PAL or NTSC stations, the HVX200 is not in question. That would be the SonyZ1 worth a look - it is switchable.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von beiti:
To your question: Ideally, the recordings s.drei TVs (2 PAL in Europe, 1 in NTSC USA) directly of the Cam as synonymous of collected customized DVD can be played.
All three television are not quite fresh. After and after they are probably from HD devices to be replaced.
I have two usage scenarios. My budget is four clear if both use scenarios on both sides of the Atlantic can be realized. These are the scenarios:
1) Shortly after the recording of one of the three Television (2 PAL, 1 NTSC) directly of the Cam play - my wife can be very impatient :-)
2) From the highlights of the shots I want to forge later DVDs. Target media for these DVDs are said three Television and its successor.
If I understand correctly, I can 720er and 1080er easily NTSC recording in NTSC format and burn to DVD R2 DVD recorder of auto convert NTSC after PAL. Have I understood correctly? So far you have PAL and NTSC of writing, so I'm just out of SD. Now you mention 720er and 1080er resolution, but HD would be.
Then again you speak of DVDs, and they are always SD. Of course you can from HD-DVDs synonymous materials burn if the quality loss is in Purchase. Then, from that one 50-Hz HD-DVDs PAL easier to make and can be from 60-Hz HD easily NTSC DVDs - which one PAL / NTSC issue, at least the medium term deadline.
First you must decide whether you have a SD or HD camcorder camcorder want. Of course provides an appropriate HD on television much better. But if you then burn normal DVDs, the disappointment is even greater if the cut film on DVD-quality behind the camera original is back.
A good interim solution to the current state of technology would be an HDV camcorder with digital input. Since you can cut the film back in HD quality on a tape and then play off of your camcorder out in full quality. In a few years ago, when BluRay or HD-DVD affordable and widespread, the movies, you can still see one of these formats to burn.
If the SD-HD-issue is resolved, you can re-issue of PAL / NTSC or 50/60-Hz attention. Here the existing Television play a crucial role. If a TV in the U.S. would be able to 50-Hz PAL or HD clip, it would be for you s.allerbesten. Maybe you should see the replacement of the devices to start, then would be the biggest hurdle from the path. How easy or difficult it today in the U.S. a 50-Hz-capable television finds, I do not know. It would be quite enough if the device via HDMI synonymous 50-Hz signals would accept.
The only alternative would be a camcorder in NTSC and 60 Hz, which, as already explained, will be carefully considered.
For the sake of completeness I will mention that in the U.S. for under $ 50 DVD player, which when playing PAL NTSC convert can. One can thus PAL DVDs on any NTSC television play. A little jerky, but otherwise not badly made. Perhaps it would be a temporary solution, but if you 50Hz/PAL film and burn DVDs like this.
External standards converter, with which one in a similar manner the output signal of a PAL camcorder for the NTSC Television can adapt, there are unfortunately in this price class do not.
Antwort von TheBubble:
We have the sense for a camcorder that is used on a PAL as synonymous in NTSC television play. Because of the different cameras can refresh only in one way or the other to record frame rate (synonymous if they are convertible - the decision must be taken before the recording will be), a true hybrid is not possible.
Whether the films without prior real format conversion can see, depends of the capabilities of the Monitor / Television from. If the video recordings only s.PC / laptop viewing are actually no real problems to be expected.
If it is a cheap consumer device to be, there is still the problem that the devices are usually not adjustable. Here you have the decision taken with the purchase.
In selecting the refresh rate you should IMO synonymous consider where (and what) you primarily films.
(Do you really an SD or HD camera most?)
Antwort von Lahntaler:
Because of the different cameras can refresh only in one way or the other to record frame rate (synonymous if they are convertible - the decision must be taken before the recording will be), a true hybrid is not possible. I quietly hope for a universal format, or a simple solution, I must then buried - schluchz.
In selecting the refresh rate you should IMO synonymous consider where (and what) you primarily films.
(Do you really an SD or HD camera most?) I plan to purchase HD. My current favorite is the Canon HG10. Unfortunately,
24p of HG10 flawed. Therefore, I will still scout for alternatives, like the synonymous may cost more. The pain threshold is 1500 euro. The feel-good threshold is lower than 1200 euros.
The HD40 comes with a 40GB hard drive, therefore. tapes-handling does not strike me as appetizing and sometimes disturbing noise recording.
The reason for the purchase is for the end of June our expected offspring. Therefore, the CAM mainly in enclosed spaces can be used.
Antwort von Lahntaler:
So far you have PAL and NTSC of writing, so I'm just out of SD. Now you mention 720er and 1080er resolution, but HD would be.
Then again you speak of DVDs, and they are always SD. Of course you can from HD-DVDs synonymous materials burn if the quality loss is in Purchase. Then, from that one 50-Hz HD-DVDs PAL easier to make and can be from 60-Hz HD easily NTSC DVDs - which one PAL / NTSC issue, at least the medium term deadline.
Oh sorry, I have the sense of HD. I thought I start with SD do not. The quality loss when burning of HD DVDs to normal I was not yet known. I would have expected that more simple bits are occupied and therefore less minutes on the DVD fit, because, ultimately recording are synonymous only in bits files. Thank you for the illumination.
At the moment I tend to purchase the Canon HG10, but would invest more synonymous - see my post a few minutes in this thread. Anyway, I learned that fashion
24p of HG10 flawed
The records keep worthy, especially our young people expected, I would have two (backup) hard fat store for eternity. The grandparents will have with DVDs in lower quality must be satisfied until BluRay or HD-DVD will be affordable.
For the sake of completeness I will mention that in the U.S. for under $ 50 DVD player, which when playing PAL NTSC convert can. One can thus PAL DVDs on any NTSC television play. A little jerky, but otherwise not badly made. Perhaps it would be a temporary solution, but if you 50Hz/PAL film and burn DVDs like this.
Also I was not yet known. Until next Anschaffungszykus innovation and we are probably in the U.S.
use a DVD player, PAL to NTSC convert can. Or we decide we still for a NTSC-Cam - hmmm. I think I must now receives the reflection appeal to the options durchzuphilosophieren.
Thank you for your super-helpful info.
Antwort von beiti:
Please think at Purchase an HD camcorder just over the format. Cassettes are perhaps no longer up to date, but currently is the only HDV format, which is really good after you can edit. HDD camcorders like the HG10 work with AVCHD, the (lossless) cut with currently only a very few programs work and huge computing power required. In addition, the Manufacturer, the real-time MPEG-4 compression is not as good a grip as the MPEG2 compression of HDV camcorders, which is qualitatively very moving scenes can be detrimental. In a few years, the problem is probably relative, but at the moment is AVCHD in general and especially for people who want to edit films, not recommended.
Even less to recommend jerky 24p or 25p format. Something like people using the "film look" to achieve and / or their films later on 35-mm film closing date to leave. For normal family filmmakers 50i or 60i are far better suited, because they can show more fluid movements. Sometime, hopefully there is 50p or 60p in affordable camcorders, but provisionally the Halbbildformate 50i/60i the optimum.
Will say that the faulty 24p mode the HG10 is irrelevant for your purposes. About the quality is not mature and poorly nachzubearbeitende AVCHD format but you should think again thoroughly.
In the test report that you've linked (the defective 24p mode the HG10 mentioned), is basically everything what I have said:
As much s.we like this camcorder, AVCHD still does not render motion s.well as HDV. And then the final bad news. While a number of NLEs are now offering AVCHD support, actually working with the files s.maddeningly is painful and time-consuming process, and will likely remain that way for another year or so. So again in detail:
- AVCHD is currently less suitable for editing than HDV, because the computer technology is not yet far enough for it. There are workarounds, (conversion of MPEG-4 data in MPEG2, which is easier to edit it), but the mean loss of quality. One possibility, the data after cutting back on the camcorder to play and of play there, there is absolutely no AVCHD. To cut back AVCHD in HD quality, just you need a separate playback device. Sun you can until you have time BluRay burner and player has cut your videos only in SD-quality view. All these problems can be elegantly with HDV bypass - now if you like tapes or not.
- 24p or 25p format is that only 24 or 25 frames per second record and so a movement resolution, similar to how bad of the movie is. Especially if you hand out free films, is very unpleasant to - synonymous when the camcorder in this mode works flawlessly. Especially the American 24p versions Jerkiness very cruel if they are on NTSC copy, because then a so-called 2/3-Pulldown is made to return to 60 Hz to come. A native representation of 24p and 25p in Full-HD (1920x1080) support, moreover, very few LCD Television, and it sees itself as jerky as a 50i or 60i. Such a mode is suitable for special applications (see above), but not for any normal family and holiday movies.
Antwort von Lahntaler:
Thanks for the explanation of the 24p. Obviously I still have much to learn.
Equally clearly, I am cutting opportunities among mature (HDV) and a silent-simply decide handhabaren hard drive (AVCHD).
Hmmm - I wonder whether the possibilities of direct cutting Cams at least for now suffice. With time, I will certainly appetite to get more opportunities. Then will probably impose a fleet upgrade my machine made, with which I then synonymous AVCHD can be cut.
If I understand correctly, saves AVCHD scenes separately. These should be of all the cams can be deleted separately. This is sometimes good.
In addition, I want s.Anfang seconds and end of a scene can delete. In this ideal, therefore, I will investigate it as the next.
Obviously, this question does not fit the more title of this thread and that is why I will eventually start a new thread after I've had next aufgeschlaut. References to other threads and websites relating to my favorites Schneiden with Canon HG10 and I naturally assume SonySR7 with open arms in welcome.
Further research, I will at first in two weeks, because now it is just on holiday.
I say thank you for the great skills that I have here helpful. Wow!
Antwort von beiti:
Equally clearly, I am cutting opportunities among mature (HDV) and a silent-simply decide handhabaren hard drive (AVCHD). So does a very silent hard drive is not synonymous (yes constantly rotates with high speed). Really silently take only Flash memory (SD card) on. But even with a camcorder with Noiseless Recording You still get Zoomgeräusche and general operating noise (when your hand moves to s.Camcorders) with on tape.
So if you really demanding s.den sound post and want to dampen noise, you come to an external microphone is not around, no preference which of the camcorder recording.
