Frage von meister hubert:
hi me and my crew are busy s.planen grade and now stumble over the camera.
I think the ex1 and s.ziemlich cool and here are the so synonymous s.der spitze the only test I do not know what the investment is smarter?
the ex1 or prefer to s.of canon and then with the remaining few thousand Euros gesaprten prefer to buy accessories?
(ps: I've used the search but were not hits at raus, WRA vllt I simply synonymous with stupid .. jaja which will probably be ^ ^)
Antwort von Tuffy:
Hi,
because what do do? The format (HDV and XDCAM EX) are already very different seeehr the Sonyhat ½ "chips, the size makes me somewhat. Or the resolution, etc
As an investment, I see the Sony closed higher, but the question is whether this makes sense.
Have ye already "something", such as Tripod or something? Is not directly synonymous in vain, as all the rest synonymous.
A fellow student has the A1 and always complains about the HDV codec, I can not judge. Another acquaintance, a FX1, has now recently rotated with the EX1 and was thrilled.
So I am rather of technology and would be pleased with me if I would have the Sonygönnen. But not in proportion to the benefit or to Sinniger comes just depends on what you want to do.
Greetings!
Antwort von meister hubert:
naja ich will halt filming ^ ^
So we must probably be the first to say that I am no 12 year old noob with'm rich parents, who plans an epic Lord of the Rings with 2 friends to turn .. lol
naja be rotated in any instance in 16:9 hd. whether full or not will soon become apparent. or the canon can be no full hd right? aso, ja das is important: I do not know who the 24p nice but we will be 30p in wefinitiv turn what otherwise is not in the bag.
I am totally uncertain halt, because the s.so geile kontraste and so wudnerschönes building, but you can actually synonymous yes s.pc edit ...
Antwort von Tuffy:
You are therefore no Noob with rich parents, but do not know that HDV is not a FullHD, soso :-)
What do you think with 30p? This is an NTSC format, so you'll get in Germany is not much joy: - /
You can edit everything, but the picture does no good. The HDV codec is not just about modifying sooo toll, because of the low data rate (yes is just as much as his time in normal miniDV PAL)
You want to stop filming - all clear - but what? Films or documentaries, or skateboard sessions?
You should you be aware that the cameras have fundamental differences. If you want film look, you will not be around 24p to come, for 30p you need at the Canon but always in a NTSC country buy if I am not mistaken.
Greetings!
Antwort von Bespi:
I'm sure this thread is synonymous no good end ....
Antwort von smooth-appeal:
Computed as the price of the camera for additional accessories needed it ...
That makes the thing for you is certainly easier.
That being said, you have no idea and do the same with several thousand euros off. Lern erstmal was ...
Antwort von meister hubert:
ähäm hüstel.
before ntsc and pal discussions break out, I thought 25p. what one says and writes natrürlich is always different, hehe, sorry.
So back to the discussions:
The whole project will be short. with quite a lot in the visual landscape, one has a sense of the beautiful.
the question was just whether it is more profitable to buy the ex1 or rather the canon where it is still enough money left over for NEN adapters and other nice things ...
Antwort von Tuffy:
24p is of course a rigorous distinction to 25p, which I see a (...)
In what way should it be as profitable? The Sonyhat 1 / 2 "chips, so that already get a nice DoF, an adapter plus Lenses synonymous cost you good money.
You should perhaps follow the comments here make and what to learn first, just about the format, etc., I find the Sony better, perhaps it is synonymous objectively better, but a completely different track.
You seem not yet to have much experience, maybe it's just as synonymous with a CameraLink less extras, cheap accessories, software and time. Do software? Or do you want your data 3000-6000 ¬ Camera with the WMM cut (the XDCAM actually:-D)
Greetings!
Antwort von meister hubert:
here are all so unfriendly?
well as I've always synonymous not need me to somehow verdeidigen.
and yes I will now concentrate on my recommendation to buy any cheap model and with WMM produce a class movie!
Thank you gave me very helpful, now I will be famous
Antwort von Tuffy:
Evening,
that has nothing to do with unkindness, with more realism.
Time in earnest, how much experience you have, how much understanding of the matter? A Prosumer-/Semiprrofi-Camera as you aim at them here, would you, in my opinion your person (which you represent here) grenzenlos overstrain, and to another adapter?
I did not want to be unkind, the more what a friend (the little jokes like you forgive me). You have nothing of expensive equipment to buy, then what you do not understand and can not properly use. That keeps you in one place.
Hey, we all have here and I like technology simple fold synonymous privately happy about the one or other video subject, but what one buys is not oversized but afterwards, nor underdressed. If you are here now, nor the insulted liver sausage mark, you will only solidify the picture ;-)
Greetings!
Antwort von meister hubert:
no point is the stop that I last bday of NEN kamerajurs geschenktbekommen freunde hab. All I was very excited and I wanted to stay and invest like promising. anything else I'm somehow hurt.
NEN when I need cheap camcorder in fact, I would simply ask one of my cronies, something has indeed almost everybody.
Antwort von Jörg:
that has nothing to do with unkindness, with more realism. nee, what this has to do with arrogance, what you here in the last few days is going on ....
and sentences like
Time in earnest, how much experience you have, how much understanding of the matter? honestly, how much experience you have with youth, because these things that you do so aufplusterst?
Freshman fürn quite brash, whom do you want to teach what?
Antwort von Tuffy:
no point is the stop that I last bday of NEN kamerajurs geschenktbekommen freunde hab. All I was very excited and I wanted to stay and invest like promising. anything else I'm somehow hurt.
NEN when I need cheap camcorder in fact, I would simply ask one of my cronies, something has indeed almost everybody. I said cheap, not cheap :-)
Jörg evening,
We can privately bereden happy times, but like me you know you want it's not.
I know I'm young and green behind the ears - I still think that you with words what moves. Yes yes, that was pretentious, synonymous and mean it.
Greetings!
Antwort von wontuwontu:
Hi, I happen to both cameras and a lot with them rotated.
I do not want to frequently start new discussions, but please let the word "film look" away. I have in my entire life has never been a professional look of film talk hear do somehow always just amateurs. And 24p has primarily nothing to do with it. As come first umpteen times other things. Since there are numerous articles synonymous to synonymous here with Slashcam.
Now for you. You want to shoot short films, since it is usually not so much infinite money behind it. In another post I've read that same sum for EQ must reckon. I agree absolutely.
You need a good tripod, and possibly rent for grip, then a good Micro, ne Angel, maybe some light, maybe a compendium synonymous with outdoor shooting in any case a good filter (Pol, UV) and last but not least, software for the post. Here come loose 3000-4000 euros, if you do not scrap them. That would be with the EX1 (SxS cards plus Batteries are sauteuer) loosely 10,000 euros. Is that it?
In itself, the two cams do not compare, they are completely different leagues. We draw the SDI stream directly into the EX1 on 10-bit, and it is rather the quality (I only say more, not directly) with the comparable Redone, as with the A1, and yet are still worlds in between.
The A1 is ne nice camera, it is with good presets ein geiles device. The HDV stream is well-compressed, but still a shame for such good material. The native editing is rechenaufwendig (GOPs). The test can even read.
My Conclusion for you would be:
A1 buy any needed accessories and good buying. Someone with experience s.die cam make a lot of experimenting with presets. A good man light rise, then the whole match.
Possibly. than create a 35mm adapter to rent because there are good (MINI35) for very little money (rent). In short'd work.
Hands off of the EX1, the unit is without good accessories and neat experience not worth the extra cost.
Unless you have too much money ...
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Antwort von meister hubert:
na LSO THAT is what I wanted ^ ^
danke: P
the monetary fürn extra microphone mussich fortunately not synonymous nor issue because my job is and what I did at home, the definitiev the price of the camera gelichkommen ^ ^
thanks:)
Antwort von Jörg:
Yes yes, that was pretentious, synonymous and mean it. yes sure it was, and I know that you are exactly synonymous to do so ... and what does not fit into the forum!
What should such derogatory comments about other people's activities
ala "or skateboard sessions?"
Remember, before his years, you have asked how to luminous animated swords .....
Antwort von Tuffy:
Hi Jörg,
I would really like to with you bequatschen. It is not as if I was nothing of thee / you learned (synonymous if not I can remember, this question explicitly asked to have). But you say it - there is not the forum - so I would look elsewhere to hear of you.
Greetings!
Antwort von frm:
I have been working for about 6 months with the Ex1 and am thrilled. you can super-manual work, Lens is a dream and right full HD content is nothing to compare with. I would classify EX1 much more professional than the Canon is slightly better in the area lichtempfidnlichkeit than the FX1, for example. Why the kollege says the man without the proper accessories EX1 forget I can not understand but ok. I can recommend the Ex1 and would clearly say that her monetary worth.
Antwort von High_Tension:
I for my part would you like from a single reason to recommend A1: she has a tape drive. If you do not have coal in abundance around you ne big pack SxS cards to buy, I could imagine that just for Beginners (I think that if you're your experience so far from a video course is) fairly quickly frustration arises when you always on the cards NEN PC on to play.
Moreover, I doubt that as the beginning of the price of the camera for additional equipment needs to spend. I believe this is often forgotten that one (I exaggerate a precaution) is not necessarily a Sachtlerstativ need a good short film.
Just as cheap Tripods, rich Bauleuchten first to make light. Filters I believe in 98% of the cases of completely superfluous (especially UV-filter).
So my first deep stack. You can upgrade later. That is always better than in 2 months in the Gear Forum to read: "Project ended, sell ......."
Good luck,
Max
Antwort von frm:
Since I am generally quite geb. Manfrotto 503 HDV, I can highly recommend to wenns stadiv in low budget range is. On the theme sxs synonymous geb ich dir recht. if you have a notebook with pc express slot has it is rather fast as the 8 gb card in 3 minutes on the computer and it is copied wärnd of the business if you have a second card can be found in possession of and the cam is on the other, so machs me. Otherwise, the hard disk recorder of sony for 650 eur net synonymous very favorable. On the one can roughly 200 minutes in full HD recording, so you do not eur for 5000 tickets. I would carefully about what you plan to in future and weigh up whether it accurately on the "old" HDV or standard on new generation with mp4 sxs sets. my choice would be full hd, synonymous because the cam is much improving bilder!
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Antwort von wontuwontu:
Sorry, I am absolutely disagree. I know more people with an HVX200 or XH-A1 geile pictures have made, as people with the EX1. This is not because they are better (they are not, of course!), But there are many other things count.
I have a long time with a 503/525 and rotated to this tripod so expensive to set camera is pure waste. Moreover, is not just about the tripod, it is synonymous to Batteries and SxS cards. And there are not cheaper than nunmal of Sony.
If you want to rotate with Baustrahlern, mach das Can I recommend everyone. There is no other way, as quickly and efficiently on the muzzle to fall, as with Baustrahlern.
At each regular set is the equipment for the camera around a multiple of the camera itself worth.
Incidentally, I did not say you can not rotate without accessories. Of course, one can even das sehr gut. I say only that the camera in this case the extra cost is not worth it. These are still more than 3000 euros. Prefer the plug in a good tripod, good lighting and a daisy-Jib with Dolly, because you get much more.
If only good intentions;)
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... it is synonymous to Batteries ... And there are not cheaper than nunmal of Sony ... An external battery pack for EX-series, there are at least of Swit - synonymous not just a gift, but still cheaper than the BP-U60 of the bargain Sonyand with larger capacity.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von wontuwontu:
... it is synonymous to Batteries ... And there are not cheaper than nunmal of Sony ...
An external battery pack for EX-series, there are at least of Swit - synonymous not just a gift, but still cheaper than the BP-U60 of the bargain Sonyand with larger capacity.
Gruß Bernd E. Good because I am beaten;)
I would simply not come up with the idea external batteries in a camera so expensive to build.
Antwort von High_Tension:
I have a long time with a 503/525 and rotated to this tripod so expensive to set camera is pure waste. Moreover, is not just about the tripod, it is synonymous to Batteries and SxS cards. And there are not cheaper than nunmal of Sony.
If you want to rotate with Baustrahlern, mach das Can I recommend everyone. There is no other way, as quickly and efficiently on the muzzle to fall, as with Baustrahlern.
To Tripod: this may be. I am of the Manfrottokombi synonymous anything but enthusiastic. I run the XH-A1 straight on (you hold firmly) Walimexstativ. And why? Because I was not crucial and could afford better now (you hold even more solid)'m really happy with it. Sure, with his good Vinten Sachtler or not to compare, but so far for my purposes (and I do the job) is entirely sufficient.
And as I said: it is probably at the TE is not a professional but a pleasure to find truth and wants to try it. If the coal for a large Sachtler there is only.
Among the Baustrahlern: one, it can not be with Ianiro / Dedo / Sachtler / Cosmo Light just fall on the snout with Baustrahlern like - only that it is the first one with an expensive "on the muzzle is' is.
The cards with the I had already written.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... I would simply not come up with the idea external batteries in a camera so expensive to build ... Because I would have no concerns, because of such external battery or, for example, Swit IDX are synonymous with NoName-cheap batteries, as they are on ebay a loss, not to compare: For professional camcorders far above the EX1 / 3 (DigiBeta, XDCAM HD, HDCAM, etc. .) IDX Batteries are almost the industry standard and ZDF in Germany, the same as in use for all broadcasters ARD.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von wontuwontu:
... I would simply not come up with the idea external batteries in a camera so expensive to build ...
Because I would have no concerns, because of such external battery or, for example, Swit IDX are synonymous with NoName-cheap batteries, as they are on ebay a loss, not to compare: For professional camcorders far above the EX1 / 3 (DigiBeta, XDCAM HD, HDCAM, etc. .) IDX Batteries are almost the industry standard and ZDF in Germany, the same as in use for all broadcasters ARD.
Gruß Bernd E. I think you like, I do not know;)
I think we are but then agreed that the price difference between the two battery models s.der total investment is not so much mind. Basically I went to Batteries and SxS cards only matter that you hold at least two of both needs. Such an 8GB SxS card, as they Sonywith the standard version of its EX1 extradite holds nunmal not particularly long (28min). The Batteries are quite similar.
Antwort von wontuwontu:
I have a long time with a 503/525 and rotated to this tripod so expensive to set camera is pure waste. Moreover, is not just about the tripod, it is synonymous to Batteries and SxS cards. And there are not cheaper than nunmal of Sony.
If you want to rotate with Baustrahlern, mach das Can I recommend everyone. There is no other way, as quickly and efficiently on the muzzle to fall, as with Baustrahlern.
To Tripod: this may be. I am of the Manfrottokombi synonymous anything but enthusiastic. I run the XH-A1 straight on (you hold firmly) Walimexstativ. And why? Because I was not crucial and could afford better now (you hold even more solid)'m really happy with it. Sure, with his good Vinten Sachtler or not to compare, but so far for my purposes (and I do the job) is entirely sufficient.
And as I said: it is probably at the TE is not a professional but a pleasure to find truth and wants to try it. If the coal for a large Sachtler there is only.
Among the Baustrahlern: one, it can not be with Ianiro / Dedo / Sachtler / Cosmo Light just fall on the snout with Baustrahlern like - only that it is the first one with an expensive "on the muzzle is' is.
The cards with the I had already written. I did not say it, a Sachtler or ink to buy, I just said, the ratio of the investment must be right. You use so finally EX1 not synonymous, as well as the coal is not enough. You have it exactly as resolved as I have just proposed. In Camera save something for the money rather buy a good tripod (which may be synonymous Manfrotto one ...).
It comes with every light on the nose if it can not be properly set. And that is why I said above, synonymous, that he chose someone retrieve the can. Then hire and pay for the light is good. Because you are relaxed for 200-300 euros ne weeks filming and there is definitely more on get out, also with a few Baustrahlern.
And who is "to try" a EX1 buys, let's face it .. sorry but I can not really take seriously. Since I grew up differently;)
Synonymous, I think that we here in circles. Probably reading the thread creator eh no longer with, of, therefore, we leave the discussion but simply resting. Each stop has a different opinion.
Antwort von Jogi:
Even if the SxS card for EX1 sauteuer are synonymous and the Prices for the Batteries are more elevated in the price segment, I would always EX1 / 3 guess. It has soooo much room endlessly what the image design and especially the picture quality is concerned. On the other moves you with the XDCAM EX format and a true 16:9 and FullHD on future paths. Through the Lens good in conjunction with the large 1 / 2 "chips can be creative ways to erich with an XH-A1 & Co are not possible. Those who have an A1 HDV with the XDCAM EX1 one on the right compares FullHD screen is understand what I mean. There really are worlds between the two systems, and not necessarily at the higher resolution terms.
But as next mentioned above. The EX1 will be beherschbar is for Beginners and do not necessarily recommended.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... I think we are but then agreed that the price difference between the two battery models s.der total investment is not so much mind .... Sure, no question.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von frm:
Just my opinion, you can super-manual work and the ex1 does exactly what you want. To thema Wallimex, well, I had synonymous times but it's better than the Manfrotto 503, I would think not. But with a lot of exercise so you cope with almost anything.
Antwort von wontuwontu:
Even if the SxS card for EX1 sauteuer are synonymous and the Prices for the Batteries are more elevated in the price segment, I would always EX1 / 3 guess. It has soooo much room endlessly what the image design and especially the picture quality is concerned. On the other moves you with the XDCAM EX format and a true 16:9 and FullHD on future paths. Through the Lens good in conjunction with the large 1 / 2 "chips can be creative ways to erich with an XH-A1 & Co are not possible. Those who have an A1 HDV with the XDCAM EX1 one on the right compares FullHD screen is understand what I mean. There really are worlds between the two systems, and not necessarily at the higher resolution terms.
But as next mentioned above. The EX1 will be beherschbar is for Beginners and do not necessarily recommended. Jo, I see exactly why I bought it synonymous;)
And I must say in all honesty who the option, the signal via SDI as a cushion and 10bit 4:2:2 stream to save Tested once, is the enormous difference never again want to miss. The strong compression and sampling are the bad with this camera in the professional field, unfortunately unusable. This one feels synonymous with the customer.
For the current price in any case a crazy Camera.
Antwort von frm:
geb ich dir right, I could never have sdi work as you draw on the signal? voralem and where you will draw on the ton?
Antwort von Ernesto:
Ex1, seems clear.
True progressive 1 / 2 inch image converter, almost no CA. Fewer problems with Bewegungsunschärfen.
Professional Lens Aufzeihnungscode and with 35 MB / s VBR.
Lowlight The properties studied their peers in class up to 14T.
Have a look at the trunk pure, where you can both cams in the test image to compare.
http://www.fxsupport.de/
Antwort von wontuwontu:
geb ich dir right, I could never have sdi work as you draw on the signal? voralem and where you will draw on the ton? About ne DeckLink HD Extreme and a G-Speed eSata Raid system. The card is extremely convenient, especially the various encoding options. Whether XDCAM, DVCProHD, ProRes422 or 422 uncompressed 10 bit, everything is possible, and in real time. Especially when keying tests the difference is really not to be overlooked. However, you should at 10bit 4:2:2 s.viele especially fast and hard thinking, s.besten RAID5 system with a minimum of 4 plates. With nearly 600GB per hour is not exactly easy to handle.
The second question, I do not understand always transmits SDI Picture and sound. At the sound, up to 16 channels are transmitted.
Antwort von frm:
I thought hui sdi is only visual signal. das ist ja super werd ich mir mal superior, which means but you have a computer with the twist, or take, I understand this wrong? The cards are s.ca. EUR 800 to have it? Now I just need to know how Adobe unkompremierten material with bypasses, I doubt the premiere performance this brings.
Antwort von wontuwontu:
Either calculator or through a special interface. Since there are, for example V4HD of the Motu, which I believe is currently the best. Costs around 3000 euros and may be in the best case ProRes422 record. These devices compress the stream and pass it out via Firewire 800.
With a MacPro and the StorageTowern you s.Set very heavily restricted.
Incidentally, congratulations to your ordered CS4, I'm still;)
Antwort von frm:
* g *
if it is only half as much as it can promise (and I do still believe that fewer bugs than in cs3 are!) then it will be super
currently I have slightly in my house because of the territorial application sony XDCAM EX codec is sufficient. Of course, who does not want to work but unkompremiert Eur ists 3-5000 for me at the moment too much, especially because I think the premiere, the material can not handle.
hg
Florian
Antwort von meister hubert:
but yet, I still diligently with les =)
meanwhile I had just never found the thread.
So to me I will now purchase the canon, s.besten needed. I think those who are already like more money, if less may be synonymous? ^ ^
Now look at the incredible accessories ask:
therefore a statiev is a must, as far as I am informed synonymous already ^ ^
The lass with the light, I just based on that, but it will definitiev no baustrahler, I hate the light, that makes me very confused.
what we need are still so? vllt a Steadycam? I'm very synonymous Bastel oriented, I would be synonymous not averse, even me something to tinker!
evt NEN 35mm adapter? somewhere gabs riese discussions, that as a beginner because only müll with rausbekommt ... but I wonder how people because good things rausbekommen if they thorethisch since then never had to start with ... xD very sensible comment so free.
mikrofon I know, cable synonymous ^ ^
is cut from a friend who has professionally with any pressure to do stuff, so he has adobe master suit. this fall so synonymous no extra cost to
I have the feeling, because I still missing something ^ ^
can anyone tell me what eqipment so by preisleisungsverhältnis on the level of canon is?
because I do not know how the cameras in, but when does a micro-nem Avalon preamp with his little behringer micro sense.
say, brings an expensive stativ what a "less" expensive camera?
dankö
Antwort von meister hubert:
achso nor incidentally: http://sungkrung.com/index.php?sp=detail&id=29&cid=1
that's a joke right? because you have the first two pay swapped? even if ...
Antwort von jazzy_d:
Expensive equipment (eg tripod) always brings something.
The whole equipment Beigemüse always lived longer than any cam.
A good tripod holds loose 20 years.
Times I'm excited with what we Cams film in 20 years.
Other Beigemüse can be:
Batteries, wide-angle attachment, Tele-intent, rain, filters (UV, Polar, colors), shader, with a tripod makes you stop outrageously cool shots, but a shoulder synonymous tripod can be useful control monitor (bigger than the display s.der Cam ) for design and image sharpness, radio link or a pocket recorder with lavalier mic, flash-recorder to capture immediately without cutting it (DV tape is "only" backup and archiving), clever closed Headphones to the Sound can be assessed, Tonangel , crane, rail system, bags and suitcases to be stowed everything, etc.
Antwort von raymaker:
therefore a statiev is a must, as far as I am informed synonymous already ^ ^ If you want to muck around us?
Antwort von meister hubert:
nö, the whole was rather ironic, and sometimes I forget that some people are not sensitive enough to pick the internet, is aber ne minority. therefore of little bother me.
My question was (and which I had really no idea), whether expensive accessories to a relatively cheap (in comparison to halt ne? ^ ^) camera is worth, because in all the activities I normally exercise, it is not worthwhile. apparently ALREADY here, which I found quite interesting =)
I think expensive sail with his shitty surfboard ... not very ideal, but still better than scheiß scheiß board and sail ^ ^
Billich Miko with arschteurem interface, preamp, or vice versa ... not very ideal
in cameras .... seem to know?
Antwort von Jogi:
@ Meister_Hubert,
what cam did you decide now?
Antwort von meister hubert:
for xh a1.
However, I still wait until March next year, because I have birthday and then have enough money together. Also, I secretly hope that by that time a canon rauskommt and update the price of xh s.sinkt or all of their old s.verkaufen order to bring the new and cheap I can buy a used ....
you never know:)
Antwort von blip:
Notice of Admin: various articles
Antwort von kiteschlampe:
Dear Admin, of course you are right. Nevertheless, my statement is written in the following context:
hi me and my crew are busy s.planen grade and now stumble over the camera.
I think the ex1 and s.ziemlich cool and here are the so synonymous s.der spitze the only test I do not know what the investment is smarter?
the ex1 or prefer to s.of canon and then with the remaining few thousand Euros gesaprten prefer to buy accessories?
Then came some quite serious answers to the following conclusion:
However, I still wait until March next year, because I have birthday and then have enough money together. Sorry, I should be there as a serious question answerer receiving verarscht feel (which is an impertinence) and yes, I think the course of this thread, in particular the statements of the masters for hubert Limited.
Chris
Antwort von meister hubert:
I have absolutely no problem with ...
Antwort von Tyrol:
Even if the question was already answered, but I would recommend you the Ex1.
With the firmware upgrade at 1:11 absolutely top (and so cheaper memory;) - synonymous and the 35 mm adapter is very cool.
mfg
